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Mon Nov-15-04 02:02 PM
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| -Stop blaming Christians for Bush's victory |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 02:01 PM |
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Stop being so preachy |
Politicub |
Nov-15-04 02:02 PM |
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Brush it off at your own demise |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 02:03 PM |
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I don't agree with your assessment |
Politicub |
Nov-15-04 02:17 PM |
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I can agree with that as well |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 02:19 PM |
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"You had one this time?" |
Quill Pen |
Nov-15-04 02:20 PM |
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John Edwards |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 02:38 PM |
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Duh, yourself |
Quill Pen |
Nov-15-04 06:05 PM |
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No, the question is |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 09:28 AM |
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The media liked John Edwards |
chyjo |
Nov-16-04 02:04 PM |
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I guess that's why they called him a "lightweight." |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 02:25 PM |
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"Blaming" the religious right is EXACTLY what we need to be doing. |
MrUnderhill |
Nov-15-04 02:07 PM |
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Oregon voters banned gay marriage |
Royal Observer |
Nov-16-04 11:34 AM |
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So? In case you didn't notice the margins those things won with... |
MrUnderhill |
Nov-16-04 01:59 PM |
#63 |
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You're right. |
Royal Observer |
Nov-16-04 04:26 PM |
#123 |
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I wouldn't blame |
Wright Patman |
Nov-15-04 02:07 PM |
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Not true |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 02:35 PM |
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What are you talking about? You think the south has more prejudice . . . |
frankly_fedup2 |
Nov-16-04 03:15 PM |
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things are different in this world from 90's and now |
seabeyond |
Nov-15-04 02:07 PM |
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HORSEPOO. Clinton era evangelicals aren't the LEFT BEHIND evangelicals |
blm |
Nov-15-04 02:09 PM |
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No |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 02:38 PM |
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"about everyone that voted for Kerry was a self-classified "Christian" |
sonicx |
Nov-15-04 02:42 PM |
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Which together account for how many voters? |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 02:58 PM |
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HORSEPOO. There are two distinct types of Christians we're dealing with |
blm |
Nov-15-04 02:47 PM |
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I'd say that you don't know what you are talking about |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 03:00 PM |
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If you don't know the difference between the LEFT BEHINDers and the |
blm |
Nov-15-04 03:21 PM |
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Left behinders do not exist |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 03:25 PM |
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People who follow the book, LEFT BEHIND. Geez, where have YOU been? |
blm |
Nov-15-04 03:36 PM |
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They don't think they are left behind yet. |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 09:32 AM |
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I know they don't think they're left behind yet. Are you misinterpreting |
blm |
Nov-16-04 10:10 AM |
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No, they don't think Bush will lead them through anything |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 10:18 AM |
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No sh!t, Sherlock. But, I said they see W as leading them into End Times. |
blm |
Nov-16-04 01:45 PM |
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you said leading them "through" |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 02:30 PM |
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Then you don't understand a great portion of these folks. |
blm |
Nov-16-04 02:47 PM |
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I understand them more than you do |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 02:50 PM |
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Really? You think Clinton evangelicals and Bush evangelicals are the same. |
blm |
Nov-16-04 02:58 PM |
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For the most part, yes they are |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 03:00 PM |
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Was there some kind of Rapture where Evagelical Democrats dissappeared? |
JVS |
Nov-15-04 06:07 PM |
#45 |
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It's called "Dispensationalism" and is not in the Bible |
indigolady |
Nov-16-04 05:39 PM |
#132 |
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go blame someone else. |
bullimiami |
Nov-15-04 02:10 PM |
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And he didn't have a consistent message |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 02:45 PM |
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Dumb it down |
JaneDoughnut |
Nov-15-04 02:15 PM |
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I knew someone would play that card |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 03:03 PM |
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I think Bush is pretty dumb... |
JaneDoughnut |
Nov-15-04 03:33 PM |
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No. |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 09:36 AM |
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Excuse me, But I have in my district a PC who has had to leave his church |
saracat |
Nov-15-04 02:17 PM |
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Well, tell him to come to my church |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 03:10 PM |
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Exxxxxxxxxxactly!!! |
angrydemocrat |
Nov-16-04 04:38 PM |
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Excuse my ignorance |
donheld |
Nov-16-04 07:10 PM |
#134 |
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Do not blame Kerry either |
OHdem10 |
Nov-15-04 02:20 PM |
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Yeah, Bush got the most votes in history, Kerry got second most in history |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 03:23 PM |
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Hey, let's divide the Kerry - Edwards supporters. |
blm |
Nov-15-04 03:38 PM |
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I'm not dividing diddlysquat |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 09:37 AM |
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You also don't see the difference between Christians who voted for Clinton |
blm |
Nov-16-04 01:49 PM |
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Your labels are way off |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 02:32 PM |
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HAHAH. You don't know the real Tim LaHaye, then. |
blm |
Nov-16-04 02:52 PM |
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Baloney. Edwards couldn't carry his own state! |
saracat |
Nov-15-04 03:42 PM |
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Really??? |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 09:38 AM |
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Isn't there a Kerry haters forum that you'd find a more comfortable fit? |
blm |
Nov-16-04 03:03 PM |
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What a way to try and sway a moderator. |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 03:11 PM |
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Your argument has no basis in reality. |
blm |
Nov-16-04 04:22 PM |
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One would have to be rather uninformed ... |
MatrixEscape |
Nov-15-04 02:20 PM |
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Rove worked everybody, not just the fundies |
Blue Wally |
Nov-16-04 10:31 AM |
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thanks for the advice, preacher. |
sonicx |
Nov-15-04 02:20 PM |
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Nope, it's the fundies and those who committed the fraud |
bowens43 |
Nov-15-04 02:23 PM |
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Make distinction between Christians and fundamentalist Christians |
CTD |
Nov-15-04 02:24 PM |
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I'm concerned for mainstream churches |
Alpharetta |
Nov-15-04 02:38 PM |
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as an ex-Cathoholic let me be the first to say it |
arewenotdemo |
Nov-16-04 12:48 PM |
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He was targetted by the Opus Dei wing of the church |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-16-04 04:37 PM |
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Really. There's plenty of other stuff |
indigobusiness |
Nov-15-04 02:35 PM |
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Like what? |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 03:31 PM |
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That was meant as a joke. |
indigobusiness |
Nov-15-04 04:49 PM |
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I know it was meant to be a joke |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 09:39 AM |
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Stop blaming Kerry for Bush's "victory". |
kimchi |
Nov-15-04 02:39 PM |
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Of course Bush didn't win fairly |
ventvon |
Nov-15-04 03:29 PM |
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They voted for Clinton because they had not yet been |
prayin4rain |
Nov-15-04 02:39 PM |
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It was mainstream Christians as well. Sorry but Catholic |
saracat |
Nov-15-04 03:36 PM |
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Has anyone ever been imprisoned tn the United States |
Royal Observer |
Nov-16-04 11:41 AM |
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agreed |
OSheaman |
Nov-15-04 03:43 PM |
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Please, look at what % Clinton got of his first win |
TheDonkey |
Nov-15-04 03:48 PM |
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Need New Democratic Leadership |
CanonRay |
Nov-16-04 12:54 PM |
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This is A joke right? |
angrydemocrat |
Nov-16-04 05:03 PM |
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Maybe in 2008 |
charlie |
Nov-16-04 05:11 PM |
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I'm calling you on this |
Moonbeam_Starlight |
Nov-16-04 01:48 PM |
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I'm waiting. |
Moonbeam_Starlight |
Nov-16-04 01:56 PM |
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I don't need a freaking percentage!!! |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 02:33 PM |
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Sorry, but the burden is on the one making the assertion..prove it |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-16-04 02:38 PM |
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Like I said... |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 02:44 PM |
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Yes you do need to provide some percentages |
Moonbeam_Starlight |
Nov-16-04 02:55 PM |
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Every time I've seen that assertion |
charlie |
Nov-16-04 02:59 PM |
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ah the |
Moonbeam_Starlight |
Nov-16-04 03:01 PM |
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Actually, look upstream |
charlie |
Nov-16-04 03:05 PM |
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I see that |
Moonbeam_Starlight |
Nov-16-04 03:07 PM |
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Left behind apocalyptics are not "fundies" |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 03:35 PM |
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In spite of everything blm was trying to tell you |
charlie |
Nov-16-04 03:42 PM |
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Yeah, and those "free-style" evangelicals... |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 03:05 PM |
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It is not my job. |
Moonbeam_Starlight |
Nov-16-04 03:08 PM |
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No.PROVE your assertion or stop asserting it..repeating it doesn't |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-16-04 03:16 PM |
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Prove me wrong |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 03:31 PM |
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Nope...you are now changing the terms of the debate..your statement |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-16-04 03:46 PM |
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So, you focus on the one word "overwhelmingly" |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 03:58 PM |
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Uh...no...overwhelmingly DOES matter |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-16-04 04:04 PM |
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Here we go |
charlie |
Nov-16-04 03:30 PM |
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"white evangelical Protestants" |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 03:33 PM |
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Did you read the second article? |
charlie |
Nov-16-04 03:34 PM |
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Yes, I saw those numbers |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 03:40 PM |
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Gee, you didn't read the article OR my post |
charlie |
Nov-16-04 03:43 PM |
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Here are your words..admit they were wrong and that you can't tell |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-16-04 03:45 PM |
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No you didn't...you said he OVERWHELMINGLY did...you were wrong |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-16-04 03:42 PM |
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Prove me wrong |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 03:02 PM |
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I tell you what. |
Moonbeam_Starlight |
Nov-16-04 03:10 PM |
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Why don't you learn to debate. |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 03:34 PM |
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Clinton did not win the evangelical vote! |
ISUGRADIA |
Nov-16-04 02:49 PM |
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Clinton won the evangelical vote both times |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 02:49 PM |
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No |
Moonbeam_Starlight |
Nov-16-04 02:56 PM |
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ARe you blind??? |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 03:04 PM |
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You still don't seem to get it. |
Moonbeam_Starlight |
Nov-16-04 03:06 PM |
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"What does that say about your argument?" |
Forkboy |
Nov-16-04 03:20 PM |
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You make an assertion and don't provide any numbers to back it up |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 03:44 PM |
#110 |
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Martians are really ancient humans |
Forkboy |
Nov-16-04 03:21 PM |
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I do believe Edwards Would Have Beaten Bush |
DuaneBidoux |
Nov-16-04 02:53 PM |
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Name removed |
Nov-16-04 03:15 PM |
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Since all you can do is repeat PROVE ME WRONG! PROVE ME WRONG |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-16-04 03:38 PM |
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Yeah, and Clinton won the evangelical vote |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 03:52 PM |
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Not overwhelmingly as you asserted. Now..admit your premise is incorrect |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-16-04 04:00 PM |
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Again, you didn't read |
charlie |
Nov-16-04 04:05 PM |
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does not compute...does not compute...does not compute..does not... |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-16-04 04:23 PM |
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Yeah, really strange |
charlie |
Nov-16-04 04:34 PM |
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Cheney the "christians" |
Rambis |
Nov-16-04 03:42 PM |
#108 |
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Gone for the day |
ventvon |
Nov-16-04 04:00 PM |
#117 |
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what a load of hogwash |
Skittles |
Nov-16-04 03:59 PM |
#115 |
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okay, I'll blame protestants and conservative catholics instead |
leftofthedial |
Nov-16-04 04:23 PM |
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BULLFUCKINGSHIT... I'll Blame Them If I Want To... And Rightly So. |
arwalden |
Nov-16-04 05:19 PM |
#129 |
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It sure wasn't atheists that ignored |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-16-04 05:27 PM |
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Yet Nobody Mentions That |
arwalden |
Nov-16-04 05:33 PM |
#131 |
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There's something about basing your actions on facts vs belief systems |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-16-04 06:39 PM |
#133 |
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When they stop claiming responsibility for the bush win |
mmonk |
Nov-16-04 07:23 PM |
#135 |
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