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196. MSNBC/Slate sourced this piece with some error and omission
Their article is here

This is my response:


Your article, "Rage Against the Machines", cited my post on DU, and I felt compelled to point out a couple errors and omissions in the piece.

The Exit Poll data you used was modified late last night, and the article failed to mention the apparent controversy surrounding the changes to the exit polls. Perhaps that is to be expected since your news agency is one of the organizations that provided this data?

NH and NV were marching along lock step between exit polls and reported results last night for hours after the polls closed, with most or all of precincts reported by the APs exit polling.

Do us "conspiracy-minded folk" a favor and explain a couple of points for me. First, what happened to the "fail safe systems" that should of triggered automatically to report variances between exit polls and actual results?

"Precautions are being taken to guard against human error as well. Using past elections as a guide, the AP's computer system is designed to spit out a warning if figures are entered that are significantly at odds with expected patterns - just to make sure the numbers are rechecked."

Second, please explain what happened to the exit polling data around 1:30am CST last night when we observed the following modification to the election results we had been closely monitoring. Note that +57 new votes were added but Kerry actually had votes subtracted from his totals after this update.


Networks to test new exit polling system


NEW YORK -- Determined to avoid a repeat of high-profile failures in 2000 and 2002, television networks will rely on new systems on Nov. 2 to help project election winners and analyze why voters made their choices. And they have turned to The Associated Press to count the vote for them.

The six news organizations that have formed the National Election Pool - ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News Channel and the AP - say they're confident things will go better this time, based on test runs and the experience of people involved.

Still, the TV networks said they would be careful projecting winners after prematurely declaring Florida, and the 2000 election, for George W. Bush. (The AP did not declare Bush the winner on election night). The election wasn't ultimately determined for weeks after vote recounts and court fights.

"We're just going to really, really be cautious," said Marty Ryan, Fox News Channel's executive producer for political coverage. "When we think we have it, we'll wait a few minutes and look again. Then we'll wait a few minutes and look again."

The networks blamed Voter News Service, the company they had formed to count votes and conduct exit polls, for faulty data that led to the wrong calls in 2000. VNS tried to rebuild its system, but it broke down on election night 2002 and failed to provide usable exit polling information. VNS was then disbanded.

This time, the news organizations contracted with two veteran polling companies - Mitofsky International and Edison Media Research - to conduct exit polls. They agreed that the AP - which has been tallying votes in elections since 1848 - would be their sole source for vote counts, and the news cooperative has significantly beefed up its system in response.

Each of the organizations will use data provided by NEP to make its own projections election night. The organizations also have promised, for the first time in a presidential election, not to call states that span two time zones until all of the polling places have closed.

One flaw exposed in 2000 - the failure of VNS to account for the increased use of absentee ballots - has been corrected, said Linda Mason of CBS News, an NEP spokeswoman. Telephone surveys of people voting by absentee ballots will be conducted in 13 states this year, instead of just three.

Mason said two other technical adjustments were made to increase reliability: NEP will conduct exit polling in more voter precincts and have access to a greater number of past vote counts to use on a comparison basis.

"The things that clearly went wrong four years ago, it's hard to imagine them going wrong again with what they've done with this system," said David Bohrman, CNN's Washington bureau chief.

Both the exit polls and vote counts worked with no serious problems during the 2004 primaries and in stress tests, network officials said. Full dress rehearsals will be conducted on Oct. 23 and 30.

Several networks promised to do a better job explaining to viewers how they make projections and even to assign correspondents to their decision desks. ABC has increased training given to its election night team, and CNN is hiring its own statistical analysts to pore over data.

"Every election is different," said Bill Wheatley, NBC News vice president. "In this one, we're cognizant of the fact that additional absentee ballots are being cast, registration levels are up and there may be additional disputes over the reliability of voting machines. We'll factor all of these into our deliberations."

Four years ago, the networks relied on VNS for its count of the actual votes and used the AP's vote-counting as a backup. Now, the AP will go it alone.

The AP will have stringers calling in results from each of the nation's 4,600 counties. Hundreds of people will be assigned to input the information into computers, and others will monitor the systems to guard against problems. In all, a total of about 5,500 people will be working on AP's vote count on election night.

"We have real confidence in the reliability of the AP's vote count," said Kathleen Carroll, AP senior vice president and executive editor. "We also have enormous confidence in the journalists in the field and the bureau chiefs who will be using the data and their experience when they call winners in the race."

The AP relied on that experience on election night 2000 to resist calling the election for Bush, despite enormous pressure after the networks had made their projections.

Most of the AP election night staff has done the job before, said Tom Jory, the cooperative's director of elections tabulations. The AP also has built in new system redundancies to protect against computer or telephone system failures, he said.

Precautions are being taken to guard against human error as well. Using past elections as a guide, the AP's computer system is designed to spit out a warning if figures are entered that are significantly at odds with expected patterns - just to make sure the numbers are rechecked.

"The AP has a long history of doing these things in general," said Dan Merkle, ABC News decision desk director. "With these other improvements, we feel very confident in the AP."

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  -Kerry winning Exit Polls - FRAUD LOOKS PROBABLE SoCalDemocrat  Nov-02-04 10:54 PM   #0 
  - Theft  Monica_L   Nov-02-04 10:54 PM   #1 
  - Proof CNN is tampering with the election to cover the fraud  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 01:44 AM   #78 
  - delete....  progdonkey   Nov-03-04 04:30 AM   #112 
  - AP exit poll data tampered with, not CNN  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:59 PM   #162 
  - I've reported this to BlackBoxVoting  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 02:06 AM   #83 
  - CNN Story - Republicans blocked exit polling in Ohio  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 02:40 AM   #91 
  - MSNBC is using the same data we saw modified  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:58 PM   #160 
  - Voter Turnout Census Bureau Data  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 02:21 PM   #180 
  - 120 million votes were cast - not all counted  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 02:23 PM   #181 
  - Excellent report written by dr. Steven Freeman  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-14-04 01:31 PM   #239 
  - Theft  DireStrike   Nov-02-04 10:55 PM   #2 
  - There Is a Fat Lady Who Isn't Singing in Ohio Yet  GiovanniC   Nov-02-04 10:55 PM   #3 
  - KKKRove and Diebold will not let us win Ohio.  in_cog_ni_to   Nov-02-04 10:58 PM   #10 
  - We Will Win Ohio  GiovanniC   Nov-02-04 11:30 PM   #19 
  - I tought Ohio was not using Diebold machines anymore....  endnote   Nov-03-04 12:08 AM   #30 
     - vote tabulators  qcsoapbox   Nov-03-04 12:26 AM   #41 
     - From what I can tell they used AccuPoll  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:35 AM   #48 
        - But NOT for this election cycle  kurt_cagle   Nov-03-04 01:15 AM   #67 
        - Right, they may not have audit trails in Ohio  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 01:23 AM   #70 
        - in our part still paper ballots  Marthe48   Nov-03-04 08:23 AM   #132 
        - I'm from Ohio. I don't think we got audit trails.  Joanne98   Nov-04-04 06:36 PM   #214 
           - No audit trails in OH  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-07-04 12:35 AM   #236 
        - Diebold machines HAVE been banned in CA for this election!  Seabiscuit   Nov-03-04 02:03 AM   #82 
           - Also in CA - I voted absentee, and hubby voted touchscreen  alittlelark   Nov-04-04 11:55 PM   #218 
        - I am from Ohio...  GOTV   Nov-03-04 06:44 AM   #123 
           - instances of voter interference  merliecurlie   Nov-03-04 10:48 PM   #199 
              - thousands  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-04-04 03:14 PM   #213 
  - You are still up? thought you'd gone to bed..  shelley806   Nov-03-04 12:03 AM   #26 
  - exit polls are voluntary...  Township75   Nov-02-04 10:55 PM   #4 
  - Yeah I love how the exit polls are accurate everywhere else.  DireStrike   Nov-02-04 10:56 PM   #9 
  - E-Voting without paper trails = discrepancy for BUSH  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:04 AM   #28 
     - CBS reported that 70% of Ohio uses the punch-card system..  Princess Turandot   Nov-03-04 12:17 AM   #36 
        - That's consistent with national use  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:37 AM   #50 
  - Of course votes lie - - when they aren't counted.  janeaustin   Nov-03-04 12:14 AM   #32 
  - Your faith in the voting system is truly touching. But if people lie, why  mistertrickster   Nov-03-04 11:14 AM   #145 
  - This argument fails in NV, NH, ME, IL...  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:46 PM   #155 
  - That flies in the face of the facts  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 01:02 PM   #163 
  - Kerry and Edwards will not take this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t  Child_Of_Isis   Nov-02-04 10:55 PM   #5 
  - I WILL STAND UP. OHIO IS OURS!!!  LiberalAndProud   Nov-03-04 12:30 AM   #45 
  - they "DID" take it...  harpo   Nov-03-04 11:15 AM   #146 
  - Theft  mcg   Nov-02-04 10:55 PM   #6 
  - Somehow, they have control of the vote tabulation...  endnote   Nov-02-04 10:56 PM   #7 
  - They can easily hack the machines and change the vote totals.  in_cog_ni_to   Nov-02-04 11:01 PM   #11 
  - Black Box Voting and Jebbie's Banana Republic  johnfunk   Nov-02-04 10:56 PM   #8 
  - Exit polls don't choose the president.  geek tragedy   Nov-02-04 11:02 PM   #12 
  - No shit - but they are used to detect fraud in emerging democracies.  mountebank   Nov-02-04 11:05 PM   #13 
  - I call Shennanigans on your zealots  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-02-04 11:12 PM   #15 
  - Yeah, that was certainly a factor.  Joe Turner   Nov-03-04 02:35 AM   #90 
  - Theft  Typecast Modulator   Nov-02-04 11:09 PM   #14 
  - Help me out here  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-02-04 11:19 PM   #16 
  - SWING STATE VOTERS HELP US OUT  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-02-04 11:21 PM   #17 
  - WISCONSIN real paper ballots  Mobius   Nov-02-04 11:32 PM   #21 
  - MICHIGAN also SKEWED  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-02-04 11:29 PM   #18 
  - ILLINOIS  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-02-04 11:30 PM   #20 
  - NEW MEXICO  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-02-04 11:32 PM   #22 
  - EVoting used in New Mexico  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-02-04 11:36 PM   #23 
  - NM WAS REPORTED AT 103% BY C-SPAN !!!!  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 03:55 AM   #107 
  - Hi SoCalDem - I have posted a story on this on Scoop...  althecat   Nov-03-04 07:27 PM   #193 
  - I worked w/ 'election protection' in NM-got back last night  alittlelark   Nov-05-04 12:01 AM   #219 
  - NEVADA - evidence supporting election theft  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-02-04 11:39 PM   #24 
  - Nevada required paper audit trails  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:18 AM   #37 
  - WISCONSIN  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:01 AM   #25 
  - Paperless voting will not come to Wisconsin  sybylla   Nov-03-04 01:48 AM   #80 
  - And the corporate media are co-conspirators in this travesty.  Old and In the Way   Nov-03-04 12:03 AM   #27 
  - It makes me sick (nt)  crickets   Nov-03-04 12:15 AM   #35 
  - MINNESOTA  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:07 AM   #29 
  - Minnesota restricts reporter access to polling places  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:14 AM   #33 
  - Minnesota restricts journalist access to polls  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:15 AM   #34 
  - 1/3 of voting was done electronically this election  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:09 AM   #31 
  - Did you see the results for DC?  American liberal   Nov-03-04 12:25 AM   #40 
     - DC - just checked  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:33 AM   #47 
  - Thank you, SoCalDem!  crickets   Nov-03-04 12:19 AM   #38 
  - Same here, thanks!  humanbeing   Nov-03-04 12:21 AM   #39 
  - Just to be on the safe side, send this to the Kerry people.  maryallen   Nov-03-04 02:19 AM   #85 
     - Left them a voice message - with a million others  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 03:06 AM   #96 
  - kick  hunter   Nov-03-04 12:27 AM   #42 
  - OHIO - DUers please report  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:30 AM   #43 
  - OHIO appears to have audit trails - 2 for 2  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:30 AM   #44 
  - A kick for SoCalDemocrat's work  humanbeing   Nov-03-04 12:32 AM   #46 
  - Bush Got It  OhioDem2004   Nov-03-04 03:54 AM   #106 
  - I voted in Franklin County.  RememberTheCoup   Nov-03-04 01:44 PM   #175 
  - Those F'n machines had better be stripped down and  Joe Turner   Nov-03-04 12:36 AM   #49 
  - You won't find anything ...  lanparty   Nov-03-04 12:41 AM   #52 
  - I'd like to know the truth about Texas and their e-machines.  0007   Nov-03-04 07:53 AM   #126 
  - They stole it in 2000 with eVoting ...  lanparty   Nov-03-04 12:37 AM   #51 
  - PENNSYLVANIA - looks skewed  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:46 AM   #53 
  - ILLINOIS - matches up  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:50 AM   #54 
  - It appears they also have audit trials - 3 for 3  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:52 AM   #55 
  - KICK  phish420   Nov-03-04 12:55 AM   #56 
  - NEW HAMPSHIRE - another confirm for audit trails 4 for 4  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:56 AM   #57 
  - Ohio is paper (except for a few counties, maybe).  TexasSissy   Nov-03-04 12:58 AM   #58 
  - That's not true.  lizzy   Nov-03-04 01:18 AM   #69 
     - did you get a paper audit trail receipt?  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 01:31 AM   #73 
        - No, I didn't get a receipt.  lizzy   Nov-03-04 06:47 PM   #192 
  - Hey Socadem, your numbers are not the same  Shadoobie   Nov-03-04 01:00 AM   #59 
  - The data is changing  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 01:04 AM   #62 
  - CONFIRMED - CNN is fudging the results  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 02:57 AM   #94 
  - Just rechecked it's still consistenet  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 01:08 AM   #64 
  - MAINE - this is looking really bad for EVoting  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 01:03 AM   #60 
  - Kicking for Kerry! nt  IdaBriggs   Nov-03-04 01:03 AM   #61 
  - PLEASE forward this thread to Kerry headquarters!!!  loudsue   Nov-03-04 01:06 AM   #63 
  - I heard them trying to explain this on MSNBC  wabeewoman   Nov-03-04 01:09 AM   #65 
  - CNN CHANGED THEIR OHIO EXIT POLLS, LYING FUCKERS!!!!!!  socalover   Nov-03-04 01:10 AM   #66 
  - SON OF A BITCH - start saving the cached images  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 01:25 AM   #72 
     - Check it out! CNN ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKING CROOKS!  socalover   Nov-03-04 01:46 AM   #79 
  - We need to look at every exit poll  ThoughtCriminal   Nov-03-04 01:18 AM   #68 
  - Also something to consider is the high DEM turnout for Senate and House  devrc243   Nov-03-04 01:24 AM   #71 
  - I AM SO BUMMED OUT TONIGHT!!!  Seabiscuit   Nov-03-04 01:31 AM   #74 
  - IF there ain't an audit trail what the F can be done?  Jim4Wes   Nov-03-04 01:32 AM   #75 
  - That's what I think and why they are not conceding  Robert Oak   Nov-03-04 01:35 AM   #76 
  - USE THIS FRAUD TO EXPOSE THE REPUKES FOR WHO THEY ARE  loudsue   Nov-03-04 01:40 AM   #77 
  - WHEN did the tide turn in vote "results" compared to bush's little speech?  Straight Shooter   Nov-03-04 01:51 AM   #81 
  - I knew we would get bushwhacked. The whole election was a theft !  vetwife   Nov-03-04 02:17 AM   #84 
  - I don't know that Kerry/Edwards are aware of this  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 02:27 AM   #88 
  - I don't think so  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 02:23 AM   #86 
  - Its not just Ohio ! No way. 2000, 2002, 2004...  vetwife   Nov-03-04 02:26 AM   #87 
  - Early exit polling showed Kerry ahead in swing states  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 02:33 AM   #89 
  - yep.......  onecitzenBtrayed   Nov-03-04 02:45 AM   #92 
  - Diebold promises to deliver Ohio to Bush in 2003  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 02:46 AM   #93 
  - yeah isn't that nice?  dallan   Nov-03-04 03:00 AM   #95 
  - Post info on Republican opposition to Exit Polling here  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 03:18 AM   #97 
  - White House claims OH, FL exit polls skewed  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 03:30 AM   #98 
  - White House claims OH, FL exit polls skewed  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 03:30 AM   #99 
  - Ohio Paper refused access to do exit polling  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 03:36 AM   #100 
  - 6 news agencies sue Ohio over exit poll barring  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 03:36 AM   #101 
  - I'm shaking my head  crickets   Nov-03-04 03:55 AM   #108 
  - AP only source of vote counting since VNS disbanded  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 03:39 AM   #102 
  - EVoting fraud detected several weeks ago  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 03:41 AM   #103 
  - Possibly related issue analysis:  yowzayowzayowza   Nov-03-04 03:45 AM   #104 
  - Link to list of states using e-voting  cerulean_ink   Nov-03-04 03:50 AM   #105 
  - Thanks  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 04:11 AM   #109 
  - ALL the BLOGS need to Trumpet the Exit poll/actual count  symbolman   Nov-03-04 04:12 AM   #110 
  - OHIO  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 04:26 AM   #111 
  - Your conclusion is a valid hypothesis.  Birthmark   Nov-03-04 04:37 AM   #113 
     - I read a report on Diebold  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 04:46 AM   #115 
        - I saw a woman on the national news last night  snacker   Nov-03-04 11:18 AM   #147 
  - Exit polls are just polls  parkening   Nov-03-04 04:45 AM   #114 
  - Wrong  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 04:54 AM   #116 
     - It's just so bloody blatant, how can they hope to get away with it?  fenderplayer96   Nov-03-04 09:35 AM   #138 
     - The only somewhat plausible explanation  usurper4   Nov-03-04 09:44 AM   #139 
        - I tested that hypothesis as well  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:48 PM   #156 
           - CALIFORNIA - on Nov 3rd  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:52 PM   #157 
              - NEWSWEEK IS INTERESTED.  rawstory   Nov-03-04 01:37 PM   #172 
                 - emailed info  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 01:56 PM   #177 
  - Putting Florida back in play  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 05:00 AM   #117 
  - BUST the FUCKERS!!!  Karenina   Nov-03-04 05:38 AM   #118 
  - Kickin' it! n/t  laylah   Nov-03-04 05:52 AM   #119 
  - KICK!  Paxdora   Nov-03-04 05:56 AM   #120 
  - Kick!  dbt   Nov-03-04 06:17 AM   #121 
  - Big Kick  Native   Nov-03-04 06:30 AM   #122 
  - Kick  Amaya   Nov-03-04 06:57 AM   #124 
  - how do we prove this  kerry2win   Nov-03-04 07:04 AM   #125 
  - Collect exit polling data by precinct  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-05-04 05:01 PM   #231 
  - We can't. . .  scmirage   Nov-03-04 07:56 AM   #127 
  - I agree with you 100% but how does one fight this type of battle  0007   Nov-03-04 07:57 AM   #128 
  - This site on "Swing States and Electronic Voting Machines"  Ladybast   Nov-03-04 08:02 AM   #129 
  - Considering the head of Diebold is an OHIO Bush captain..  Caliphoto   Nov-03-04 08:05 AM   #130 
  - How could Zogby be SO wrong?  Gman   Nov-03-04 08:17 AM   #131 
  - Fight or  NCArtist33   Nov-03-04 08:35 AM   #135 
  - Fuzzy Math  Mantooth   Nov-03-04 08:24 AM   #133 
  - Yes, folks. Look at these numbers closely.  donkeyotay   Nov-03-04 11:13 AM   #144 
  - Its simple  Nederland   Nov-03-04 03:03 PM   #187 
  - Kick this to the top until we win.  TruthIsAll   Nov-03-04 08:32 AM   #134 
  - Kick.  bpcmxr   Nov-03-04 08:54 AM   #136 
  - KICK! nt  Paradise   Nov-03-04 09:00 AM   #137 
  - Is there similar discrepancy tween reported votes and pre-election polls?  Bernardo de La Paz   Nov-03-04 10:08 AM   #140 
  - kick  drb   Nov-03-04 10:24 AM   #141 
  - Kick because  dbt   Nov-03-04 10:40 AM   #142 
  - SoCal - CNN wants to interview you about this analysis  LiberalEsto   Nov-03-04 10:57 AM   #143 
  - kick  rawstory   Nov-03-04 11:54 AM   #148 
  - Really?  mzmolly   Nov-03-04 12:17 PM   #149 
  - No email in my inbox  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:33 PM   #153 
  - More evidence of possible BBV fraud... VA Dems please help!  spooky3   Nov-03-04 12:19 PM   #150 
  - well, we're running it on RAW STORY. for what it's worth.  rawstory   Nov-03-04 12:20 PM   #151 
  - What can we learn from the 2002 election data?  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 12:22 PM   #152 
  - Do you have the exit polling from other states?  gcomeau   Nov-03-04 12:37 PM   #154 
     - I was too tired to crunch more states  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 01:11 PM   #165 
        - I write code to crunch numbers and organize data for a living,  SeanQ   Nov-03-04 02:27 PM   #182 
  - Where Is William Rivers Pitt ???  Val   Nov-03-04 12:54 PM   #158 
  - A big KICK for SoCalDemocrat  Straight Shooter   Nov-03-04 12:55 PM   #159 
  - kick  Kerry in 04   Nov-03-04 12:59 PM   #161 
  - Your math is Wrong  Nederland   Nov-03-04 01:10 PM   #164 
  - Now you know why official exit polls were abolished  donhakman   Nov-03-04 01:17 PM   #166 
  - FLORIDA and OHIO - a 2nd time  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 01:19 PM   #167 
  - have they now changed FLORIDA too?  rawstory   Nov-03-04 01:32 PM   #169 
  - Yes  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 01:36 PM   #171 
     - Maybe you should make this request a new thread...  RememberTheCoup   Nov-03-04 01:41 PM   #174 
  - Confused  Nederland   Nov-03-04 02:56 PM   #186 
  - Explanation  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 08:07 PM   #195 
     - Still wrong  Nederland   Nov-03-04 09:52 PM   #198 
        - Clarifying  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-04-04 12:06 PM   #207 
           - Ok  Nederland   Nov-04-04 02:26 PM   #211 
              - Look at all the data, not just one state  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-05-04 12:05 AM   #220 
  - *** FLORIDA EVoting Results by precint ***  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-05-04 12:06 AM   #222 
  - *** ATTENTION: FLORIDA E-Voting Results by Precinct ***  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-05-04 12:08 AM   #223 
  - Where is exit polling done  j_carters_neighbor   Nov-03-04 01:46 PM   #176 
  - Your mistake here is due to your using the corrected results...  althecat   Nov-03-04 07:29 PM   #194 
  - SoCalDem - important question  RememberTheCoup   Nov-03-04 01:22 PM   #168 
  - also is there any way to retrieve the earlier exit data?  RememberTheCoup   Nov-03-04 01:34 PM   #170 
  - I'm sure some of it is cached  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 01:38 PM   #173 
     - Posible sources for data  Chi   Nov-03-04 03:10 PM   #188 
        - Great data, thanks!  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-04-04 12:12 PM   #208 
  - Whoah There!  RaulGroom   Nov-03-04 02:01 PM   #178 
     - Take another look  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 02:05 PM   #179 
        - Thanks SoCalDemocrat!  SeanQ   Nov-03-04 02:29 PM   #183 
           - We need to find exit polling data  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 02:40 PM   #184 
              - A few more exit numbers 4:30  Chi   Nov-03-04 05:33 PM   #190 
                 - Thanks for those numbers  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 06:45 PM   #191 
  - Monitos - US voting systems worse than third world nations  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 02:50 PM   #185 
  - What happened to the fail safe system on the exit polls!  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 03:54 PM   #189 
  - MSNBC/Slate sourced this piece with some error and omission  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 09:28 PM   #196 
  - What happened to the black vote?  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-03-04 09:43 PM   #197 
  - Copulation Control 2004 - How America Got Screwed.  BreakForNews   Nov-03-04 11:01 PM   #200 
  - Check this out! Great stuff.  MissRegina   Nov-03-04 11:35 PM   #201 
  - Kick  crickets   Nov-04-04 05:57 AM   #202 
  - Is there a national map of which voting methodology was used where?  Tom Rinaldo   Nov-04-04 07:17 AM   #203 
  - Just state by state that I've seen  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-04-04 10:41 AM   #204 
     - Got a voting method map  Chi   Nov-04-04 02:09 PM   #209 
     - Whoops  Chi   Nov-04-04 02:11 PM   #210 
  - New Hampshire unexpected results  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-04-04 10:53 AM   #205 
  - EVoting by State and Precinct  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-04-04 10:57 AM   #206 
  - Damn! This pisses me off!!!  Roland99   Nov-04-04 02:40 PM   #212 
  - Rebuttal to Salon comments  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-04-04 10:34 PM   #215 
  - Kick  RBHam   Nov-04-04 11:08 PM   #216 
  - kick  PROGRESSIVE1   Nov-04-04 11:46 PM   #217 
  - kick.  rawstory   Nov-05-04 12:06 AM   #221 
  - kick  oasis   Nov-05-04 12:25 AM   #224 
  - For those who claim people lie to exit polls  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-05-04 01:28 AM   #225 
  - kick. n/t  myday38   Nov-06-04 01:10 AM   #235 
  - Curiouser and curiouser  txindy   Nov-07-04 12:44 AM   #237 
     - WE need to do some cross checking  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-10-04 03:12 PM   #238 
  - kick  TruthIsAll   Nov-05-04 08:21 AM   #226 
  - From a Republican that backed Kerry - Edwards  KWBS   Nov-05-04 09:16 AM   #227 
  - Linking Bush to 9-11?  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-05-04 04:48 PM   #228 
  - Linking Bush to 9-11?  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-05-04 04:48 PM   #229 
  - If Soros did not offer a $10 million reward for proof of fraud  skip fox   Nov-05-04 04:54 PM   #230 
  - Good idea  SoCalDemocrat   Nov-05-04 11:15 PM   #233 
  - Kick  Spazito   Nov-05-04 05:30 PM   #232 
     - kick  Kerry in 04   Nov-06-04 12:44 AM   #234 

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