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LoneStarLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:51 PM
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4. The Distinction A Clark Supporter Makes On This Issue
This is why I do not support Clark, because how can he rail against the Patriot Act, when he's supported measures such as CAPPS II that benefits the Patriot Act? How can one really excuse compiling lists to spy on American citizens and to classify them as terrorists if something doesn't check out, say, you buy two bags of fertilizers with a couple of household products. That could be construed as explosives in the computer system. One should be careful of supporting a man like Wesley Clark.

I'd agree with your statement of being careful of supporting anyone, anywhere, anytime in a political arena.

As a Clark supporter I am not at all happy with Clark's role of lobbying for Acxiom given Acxiom's particular role in in the CAPPS program. I don't like CAPPS but I can understand the utility of a program like CAPPS given the security situation we find ourselves in thanks to us all being safer under President Bush.

The distinction that I make in the matter is between CAPPS I, CAPPS II, and the USA PATRIOT Act. I do not see them as all being the same thing. The CAPPS programs and the PATRIOT Act are different beasts in my view. CAPPS has a very specific task: The screening of airline passengers. The PATRIOT Act has a very broad and vague task: Defending our national security by a myriad of unclear encroachments, questionable collections, and broadening of Federal powers while constraining your rights, both legal and consitutional.

In the end, this is not a distinction that everyone will make. Some people have a very broad and very distinct view of programs and legistlation that encroach on personal interests. Some people have a very broad but not so distinct view of programs and legislation that encroach on personal interests. Some people have very indistinct and flexible views on both.

Ceteris paribus, the people in the first group will most likely not support Clark because of his lobbying for a company involved in supplying data for the CAPPS program. The people in the second group will most likely support him though with reservations. I place myself in this second group. I see nothing at all wrong with lobbying for a company that supplies data for CAPPS and maintaining a very aggressive stance on acting to overturn the PATRIOT Act. In fact, it seems natural to me. People in the last group are most likely Republican and we don't have to worry about them here.

I know that this is a big issue for people who are lobbying hard for other candidates when it comes to Clark. I have issues of my own with regard to other candidates that I feel very strongly about and therefore feel very uncertain of those candidates. I hope this counterpoint might give at least one person's view who is supporting Clark and is still concerned about this issue.
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  -More About Clark's Role With Axicom... slinkerwink  Jan-15-04 05:35 PM   #0 
  - Link?  jchild   Jan-15-04 05:40 PM   #1 
  - since it's a repeat thread  maddezmom   Jan-15-04 05:43 PM   #2 
  - here's the link  slinkerwink   Jan-15-04 05:43 PM   #3 
     - thank you  jchild   Jan-15-04 05:53 PM   #5 
        - Just make sure Acxiom knows I donated to Clark!  WhoCountsTheVotes   Jan-15-04 06:26 PM   #36 
  - The Distinction A Clark Supporter Makes On This Issue  LoneStarLiberal   Jan-15-04 05:51 PM   #4 
  - Very well put!  Wife_of_a_Wes_Freak   Jan-15-04 08:55 PM   #65 
  - No, it is not "more" about Clark's role with axicom  Mattforclark   Jan-15-04 05:53 PM   #6 
  - HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa  lurk_no_more   Jan-17-04 02:00 PM   #70 
  - Dusting Off the Ancient CAPPS Rebuttals  DoveTurnedHawk   Jan-15-04 05:56 PM   #7 
  - Thanks, DTH...I was about to address this...  jchild   Jan-15-04 06:04 PM   #11 
  - so, he was moved by the 9/11 attacks that he wanted to infringe  slinkerwink   Jan-15-04 06:06 PM   #13 
     - I Am Not a Privacy Ideologue  DoveTurnedHawk   Jan-15-04 06:10 PM   #20 
     - I would rather not give up my civil liberties for extra security  slinkerwink   Jan-15-04 06:16 PM   #29 
        - I Reiterate My Points About Norm Mineta and Gun Background Checks  DoveTurnedHawk   Jan-15-04 06:18 PM   #31 
        - Odd. Wasn't it Dean that suggested we might want to revisit the  mikehiggins   Jan-15-04 07:41 PM   #52 
     - dupe...sorry  mikehiggins   Jan-17-04 02:02 PM   #71 
     - So which parts of the Patriot Act that dean wants to keep  lurk_no_more   Jan-17-04 02:06 PM   #72 
  - too bad you didn't snip the most relevant quote in WAPO  windansea   Jan-15-04 05:58 PM   #8 
  - The potential for abuse  dralston   Jan-15-04 06:01 PM   #9 
  - I would rather not have a former military general support CAPPS II  slinkerwink   Jan-15-04 06:07 PM   #15 
     - I disagree.  dralston   Jan-15-04 06:12 PM   #26 
  - Clark resigned as Acxiom consultant the day he announced his candidacy  NV1962   Jan-15-04 06:03 PM   #10 
  - he's still listed on the board....  slinkerwink   Jan-15-04 06:05 PM   #12 
     - lazy webmaster??  windansea   Jan-15-04 06:07 PM   #14 
     - is that supposed to be taken as an excuse?  slinkerwink   Jan-15-04 06:07 PM   #16 
        - You should check the website because he is not listed  jchild   Jan-15-04 06:10 PM   #21 
        - you saw the letter of resignation  windansea   Jan-15-04 06:10 PM   #22 
     - No he is not  bicentennial_baby   Jan-15-04 06:07 PM   #17 
     - Really? Can't find the word "Clark" on the board...  NV1962   Jan-15-04 06:08 PM   #18 
     - He absolutely is NOT on the board any longer  jchild   Jan-15-04 06:09 PM   #19 
     - snippet from the article posted...  slinkerwink   Jan-15-04 06:12 PM   #25 
        - And a snippet from the website:  jchild   Jan-15-04 06:14 PM   #27 
        - Yeah, only formally, for a few weeks - the WP article is outdated  NV1962   Jan-15-04 06:15 PM   #28 
        - Yes, because it is a false assertion and easily could have been researched  jchild   Jan-15-04 06:18 PM   #32 
        - I think you mistyped (as did I BTW)  NV1962   Jan-15-04 06:25 PM   #34 
           - Thanks  jchild   Jan-15-04 06:31 PM   #38 
        - Yes.  jchild   Jan-15-04 06:29 PM   #37 
           - this is just like that Clark is anti pot decrim thread last night  windansea   Jan-15-04 06:40 PM   #39 
              - I've seen this a dozen times...  jchild   Jan-15-04 07:00 PM   #46 
                 - no worries  windansea   Jan-15-04 07:39 PM   #51 
        - Hello? Your article is OLD  bicentennial_baby   Jan-15-04 06:21 PM   #33 
        - That's what happens when you post an out of date article.  dralston   Jan-15-04 06:26 PM   #35 
     - You Are Mistaken (eom)  DoveTurnedHawk   Jan-15-04 06:11 PM   #23 
  - Thanks for continuing to attack General Clark  BobbyJay   Jan-15-04 06:11 PM   #24 
  - This is a non issue  4StarWes   Jan-15-04 06:17 PM   #30 
  - not every general does lobbying when they retire......  slinkerwink   Jan-15-04 06:41 PM   #40 
  - Okey dokey. Please continue attacking him on it.  BobbyJay   Jan-15-04 06:42 PM   #41 
  - i'd be careful what i wished for  bearfartinthewoods   Jan-17-04 12:22 PM   #66 
  - Well...  NV1962   Jan-15-04 06:59 PM   #45 
  - Maybe he needed the money  Leilani   Jan-15-04 07:38 PM   #50 
     - You make a nasty insinuation in the post and then decry negativity.  cynicalSOB1   Jan-15-04 07:44 PM   #53 
        - This old & outdated story  Leilani   Jan-15-04 08:05 PM   #55 
           - My point stands...  cynicalSOB1   Jan-15-04 08:08 PM   #56 
  - We'll they all need to make up for it, I agree with that.  cynicalSOB1   Jan-15-04 07:35 PM   #49 
  - Is Clark trustworthy as a democrat?  shivaji   Jan-15-04 06:55 PM   #42 
  - Drudge Is Right-Wing and Not Trustworthy  DoveTurnedHawk   Jan-15-04 06:57 PM   #43 
  - lol was that a poem?  BobbyJay   Jan-15-04 06:57 PM   #44 
  - believe Drudge's snip and paste??  windansea   Jan-15-04 07:00 PM   #47 
  - Well & nice, but what's the relevance to the topic here? - n/t  NV1962   Jan-15-04 07:03 PM   #48 
  - Well, Perle sees it a little differently.  mikehiggins   Jan-17-04 02:12 PM   #73 
  - The train is coming off the tracks, and recyling old attacks won't help.  mikehiggins   Jan-15-04 07:46 PM   #54 
  - Clark folks, how to recincile this thread and this other one ?  arewethereyet   Jan-15-04 08:14 PM   #57 
  - What is the problem?  mikehiggins   Jan-17-04 02:16 PM   #74 
  - Clark on civil liberties and the patriot act  mmonk   Jan-15-04 08:17 PM   #58 
  - One should be more careful of supporting a man who will  John_H   Jan-15-04 08:45 PM   #59 
  - As I posted on a fast-sinking thread  bain_sidhe   Jan-15-04 08:49 PM   #60 
  - Thanks. I had heard this but didn't have any verification for  democratreformed   Jan-15-04 08:51 PM   #62 
  - It is my opinion...  wyldwolf   Jan-15-04 08:50 PM   #61 
  - Uh oh...  mzmolly   Jan-15-04 08:52 PM   #63 
  - Oversight and transparency  mmonk   Jan-15-04 08:55 PM   #64 
  - "make America safe. That's what lobbyists mostly do" - Wesley Clark  Hoppin_Mad   Jan-17-04 01:22 PM   #67 
  - Perhaps he was generalizing from his OWN experience  bain_sidhe   Jan-17-04 01:58 PM   #69 
  - More?  lurk_no_more   Jan-17-04 01:55 PM   #68 
     - Since when does a documented factual article  Capn Sunshine   Jan-17-04 02:16 PM   #75 
 

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