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Thu Jan-15-04 05:51 PM
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| 4. The Distinction A Clark Supporter Makes On This Issue |
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This is why I do not support Clark, because how can he rail against the Patriot Act, when he's supported measures such as CAPPS II that benefits the Patriot Act? How can one really excuse compiling lists to spy on American citizens and to classify them as terrorists if something doesn't check out, say, you buy two bags of fertilizers with a couple of household products. That could be construed as explosives in the computer system. One should be careful of supporting a man like Wesley Clark.
I'd agree with your statement of being careful of supporting anyone, anywhere, anytime in a political arena.
As a Clark supporter I am not at all happy with Clark's role of lobbying for Acxiom given Acxiom's particular role in in the CAPPS program. I don't like CAPPS but I can understand the utility of a program like CAPPS given the security situation we find ourselves in thanks to us all being safer under President Bush.
The distinction that I make in the matter is between CAPPS I, CAPPS II, and the USA PATRIOT Act. I do not see them as all being the same thing. The CAPPS programs and the PATRIOT Act are different beasts in my view. CAPPS has a very specific task: The screening of airline passengers. The PATRIOT Act has a very broad and vague task: Defending our national security by a myriad of unclear encroachments, questionable collections, and broadening of Federal powers while constraining your rights, both legal and consitutional.
In the end, this is not a distinction that everyone will make. Some people have a very broad and very distinct view of programs and legistlation that encroach on personal interests. Some people have a very broad but not so distinct view of programs and legislation that encroach on personal interests. Some people have very indistinct and flexible views on both.
Ceteris paribus, the people in the first group will most likely not support Clark because of his lobbying for a company involved in supplying data for the CAPPS program. The people in the second group will most likely support him though with reservations. I place myself in this second group. I see nothing at all wrong with lobbying for a company that supplies data for CAPPS and maintaining a very aggressive stance on acting to overturn the PATRIOT Act. In fact, it seems natural to me. People in the last group are most likely Republican and we don't have to worry about them here.
I know that this is a big issue for people who are lobbying hard for other candidates when it comes to Clark. I have issues of my own with regard to other candidates that I feel very strongly about and therefore feel very uncertain of those candidates. I hope this counterpoint might give at least one person's view who is supporting Clark and is still concerned about this issue.
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| -More About Clark's Role With Axicom... |
slinkerwink |
Jan-15-04 05:35 PM |
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Link? |
jchild |
Jan-15-04 05:40 PM |
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since it's a repeat thread |
maddezmom |
Jan-15-04 05:43 PM |
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here's the link |
slinkerwink |
Jan-15-04 05:43 PM |
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thank you |
jchild |
Jan-15-04 05:53 PM |
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Just make sure Acxiom knows I donated to Clark! |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Jan-15-04 06:26 PM |
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The Distinction A Clark Supporter Makes On This Issue |
LoneStarLiberal |
Jan-15-04 05:51 PM |
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Very well put! |
Wife_of_a_Wes_Freak |
Jan-15-04 08:55 PM |
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No, it is not "more" about Clark's role with axicom |
Mattforclark |
Jan-15-04 05:53 PM |
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HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa |
lurk_no_more |
Jan-17-04 02:00 PM |
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Dusting Off the Ancient CAPPS Rebuttals |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Jan-15-04 05:56 PM |
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Thanks, DTH...I was about to address this... |
jchild |
Jan-15-04 06:04 PM |
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so, he was moved by the 9/11 attacks that he wanted to infringe |
slinkerwink |
Jan-15-04 06:06 PM |
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I Am Not a Privacy Ideologue |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Jan-15-04 06:10 PM |
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I would rather not give up my civil liberties for extra security |
slinkerwink |
Jan-15-04 06:16 PM |
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I Reiterate My Points About Norm Mineta and Gun Background Checks |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Jan-15-04 06:18 PM |
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Odd. Wasn't it Dean that suggested we might want to revisit the |
mikehiggins |
Jan-15-04 07:41 PM |
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dupe...sorry |
mikehiggins |
Jan-17-04 02:02 PM |
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So which parts of the Patriot Act that dean wants to keep |
lurk_no_more |
Jan-17-04 02:06 PM |
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too bad you didn't snip the most relevant quote in WAPO |
windansea |
Jan-15-04 05:58 PM |
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The potential for abuse |
dralston |
Jan-15-04 06:01 PM |
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I would rather not have a former military general support CAPPS II |
slinkerwink |
Jan-15-04 06:07 PM |
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I disagree. |
dralston |
Jan-15-04 06:12 PM |
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Clark resigned as Acxiom consultant the day he announced his candidacy |
NV1962 |
Jan-15-04 06:03 PM |
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he's still listed on the board.... |
slinkerwink |
Jan-15-04 06:05 PM |
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lazy webmaster?? |
windansea |
Jan-15-04 06:07 PM |
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is that supposed to be taken as an excuse? |
slinkerwink |
Jan-15-04 06:07 PM |
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You should check the website because he is not listed |
jchild |
Jan-15-04 06:10 PM |
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you saw the letter of resignation |
windansea |
Jan-15-04 06:10 PM |
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No he is not |
bicentennial_baby |
Jan-15-04 06:07 PM |
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Really? Can't find the word "Clark" on the board... |
NV1962 |
Jan-15-04 06:08 PM |
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He absolutely is NOT on the board any longer |
jchild |
Jan-15-04 06:09 PM |
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snippet from the article posted... |
slinkerwink |
Jan-15-04 06:12 PM |
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And a snippet from the website: |
jchild |
Jan-15-04 06:14 PM |
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Yeah, only formally, for a few weeks - the WP article is outdated |
NV1962 |
Jan-15-04 06:15 PM |
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Yes, because it is a false assertion and easily could have been researched |
jchild |
Jan-15-04 06:18 PM |
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I think you mistyped (as did I BTW) |
NV1962 |
Jan-15-04 06:25 PM |
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Thanks |
jchild |
Jan-15-04 06:31 PM |
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Yes. |
jchild |
Jan-15-04 06:29 PM |
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this is just like that Clark is anti pot decrim thread last night |
windansea |
Jan-15-04 06:40 PM |
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I've seen this a dozen times... |
jchild |
Jan-15-04 07:00 PM |
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no worries |
windansea |
Jan-15-04 07:39 PM |
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Hello? Your article is OLD |
bicentennial_baby |
Jan-15-04 06:21 PM |
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That's what happens when you post an out of date article. |
dralston |
Jan-15-04 06:26 PM |
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You Are Mistaken (eom) |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Jan-15-04 06:11 PM |
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Thanks for continuing to attack General Clark |
BobbyJay |
Jan-15-04 06:11 PM |
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This is a non issue |
4StarWes |
Jan-15-04 06:17 PM |
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not every general does lobbying when they retire...... |
slinkerwink |
Jan-15-04 06:41 PM |
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Okey dokey. Please continue attacking him on it. |
BobbyJay |
Jan-15-04 06:42 PM |
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i'd be careful what i wished for |
bearfartinthewoods |
Jan-17-04 12:22 PM |
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Well... |
NV1962 |
Jan-15-04 06:59 PM |
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Maybe he needed the money |
Leilani |
Jan-15-04 07:38 PM |
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You make a nasty insinuation in the post and then decry negativity. |
cynicalSOB1 |
Jan-15-04 07:44 PM |
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This old & outdated story |
Leilani |
Jan-15-04 08:05 PM |
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My point stands... |
cynicalSOB1 |
Jan-15-04 08:08 PM |
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We'll they all need to make up for it, I agree with that. |
cynicalSOB1 |
Jan-15-04 07:35 PM |
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Is Clark trustworthy as a democrat? |
shivaji |
Jan-15-04 06:55 PM |
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Drudge Is Right-Wing and Not Trustworthy |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Jan-15-04 06:57 PM |
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lol was that a poem? |
BobbyJay |
Jan-15-04 06:57 PM |
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believe Drudge's snip and paste?? |
windansea |
Jan-15-04 07:00 PM |
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Well & nice, but what's the relevance to the topic here? - n/t |
NV1962 |
Jan-15-04 07:03 PM |
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Well, Perle sees it a little differently. |
mikehiggins |
Jan-17-04 02:12 PM |
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The train is coming off the tracks, and recyling old attacks won't help. |
mikehiggins |
Jan-15-04 07:46 PM |
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Clark folks, how to recincile this thread and this other one ? |
arewethereyet |
Jan-15-04 08:14 PM |
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What is the problem? |
mikehiggins |
Jan-17-04 02:16 PM |
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Clark on civil liberties and the patriot act |
mmonk |
Jan-15-04 08:17 PM |
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One should be more careful of supporting a man who will |
John_H |
Jan-15-04 08:45 PM |
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As I posted on a fast-sinking thread |
bain_sidhe |
Jan-15-04 08:49 PM |
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Thanks. I had heard this but didn't have any verification for |
democratreformed |
Jan-15-04 08:51 PM |
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It is my opinion... |
wyldwolf |
Jan-15-04 08:50 PM |
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Uh oh... |
mzmolly |
Jan-15-04 08:52 PM |
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Oversight and transparency |
mmonk |
Jan-15-04 08:55 PM |
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"make America safe. That's what lobbyists mostly do" - Wesley Clark |
Hoppin_Mad |
Jan-17-04 01:22 PM |
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Perhaps he was generalizing from his OWN experience |
bain_sidhe |
Jan-17-04 01:58 PM |
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More? |
lurk_no_more |
Jan-17-04 01:55 PM |
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Since when does a documented factual article |
Capn Sunshine |
Jan-17-04 02:16 PM |
#75 |