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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:07 AM
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34. Sorry, IMO that's a straw man argument
There are plenty of religious liberals. Maybe not in the same way (probably not too many observant Jews in West Virginia, for example), but religion is not the sole province of the right, Christ is not a Republican, and faith can lead you to progress as well as to reaction.

Sure, the Republicans use the language of evangelical Christianity to their advantage, but the people in West Virginia are not stupid (perhaps misinformed, considering the quote in the article I posted about the guy who seemed to think Bush was a genuine cowboy). Again, I do not want this thread to degenerate into sneering at those who don't vote our way. I want to truly understand how the Democrats lost what should be a true-blue state, and what we can do to win it back.

Please, folks, stay on message. Thanks.
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  -Frightening analysis of Kerry's problems in West Virginia tomfodw  Oct-21-04 10:37 PM   #0 
  - You are right  TimeToGo   Oct-21-04 10:38 PM   #1 
  - Well, as a WV resident....  theHandpuppet   Oct-21-04 11:04 PM   #2 
  - Faux folksy works  Boomer   Oct-21-04 11:14 PM   #5 
  - insightful post  rockydem   Oct-22-04 02:06 AM   #12 
  - OK, so the democrats have let WV slip though their fingers...  liberal N proud   Oct-22-04 05:55 AM   #20 
  - Or perhaps he just didn't...  theHandpuppet   Oct-22-04 07:48 AM   #28 
  - Interesting...  deseo   Oct-22-04 07:06 AM   #24 
  - and though I have no experience with VA, your comments resonate with me.  Virginian   Oct-22-04 08:10 AM   #36 
  - Whoa!  calgaldem   Oct-22-04 10:59 AM   #52 
     - Hi caldaldem!!  newyawker99   Oct-22-04 11:11 AM   #56 
     - Could you re-read your post  uhhuh   Oct-23-04 02:24 PM   #78 
  - Excellent post!  QC   Oct-22-04 07:16 AM   #25 
  - Handpuppet---all states are courted by the pols at election time and  DemocracyInaction   Oct-22-04 08:26 AM   #39 
  - As I stated in another post on this thread  theHandpuppet   Oct-22-04 09:45 AM   #44 
  - I grew up in Appalachian Ohio and I think you are right!  yardwork   Oct-22-04 02:26 PM   #71 
  - A Very Good Article, Sir  The Magistrate   Oct-21-04 11:05 PM   #3 
  - What an apposite, excellent, and truthful post...  T Town Jake   Oct-22-04 02:12 AM   #13 
  - It's not just guns, abortion, and environmentalism.  lfs5   Oct-21-04 11:07 PM   #4 
  - Bingo!  Eccho   Oct-21-04 11:32 PM   #7 
     - I don't think the DNC should write off WV either!  Hubert Flottz   Oct-22-04 07:42 AM   #27 
  - And yet, there is still hope.  Touchdown   Oct-21-04 11:15 PM   #6 
  - Heard a BBC report done in Oregon which was scary, too...  Gloria   Oct-21-04 11:34 PM   #8 
  - Oregon's hard to call  kurt_cagle   Oct-22-04 02:54 AM   #15 
  - It's right here  sandnsea   Oct-21-04 11:45 PM   #9 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-22-04 01:54 AM   #10 
  - I'm re-posting this as a separate thread...  shelley806   Oct-22-04 02:56 AM   #16 
  - Thanks for posting, and for your thoughtful comments --  DeepModem Mom   Oct-22-04 01:59 AM   #11 
  - Republicans win when people don't think.  elperromagico   Oct-22-04 02:21 AM   #14 
  - Yet from another perspective...  theHandpuppet   Oct-22-04 04:01 AM   #17 
  - These people are lost to us for now.  secular_warrior   Oct-22-04 04:30 AM   #18 
  - Good article  bklyncowgirl   Oct-22-04 05:44 AM   #19 
  - Good Book: "What's the Matter with Kansas"  markus   Oct-22-04 05:57 AM   #21 
  - Link:Buzzflash interview with the author of What's the matter with Kansas  PerfectSage   Oct-23-04 06:13 PM   #80 
  - Thanks to everyone for their replies  tomfodw   Oct-22-04 06:51 AM   #22 
  - I don't mean to sound harsh - but who cares if we lose West Virginia ?  secular_warrior   Oct-22-04 08:11 AM   #37 
     - If that's truly the attitude here...  theHandpuppet   Oct-22-04 09:52 AM   #45 
        - It is truly the attitude of many, but you might check your own attitude  sangh0   Oct-22-04 10:26 AM   #49 
        - Sorry, but I've pretty much laid it all out...  theHandpuppet   Oct-22-04 11:36 AM   #60 
           - I don't think you've been elitist  sangh0   Oct-22-04 11:55 AM   #61 
           - Some Small Points, Mr. Handpuppet  The Magistrate   Oct-22-04 01:07 PM   #67 
              - Excellent Magistrate  sangh0   Oct-22-04 02:07 PM   #69 
              - I think you will find this article relevant to our discussion  theHandpuppet   Oct-23-04 08:21 AM   #74 
        - What are you upset about ? ALL Dems will benefit.  secular_warrior   Oct-22-04 11:16 AM   #57 
  - the Right found a narrative these folk can relate to easily  kodi   Oct-22-04 06:56 AM   #23 
  - Let's face it, we haven't been very active since '82  Onlooker   Oct-22-04 07:20 AM   #26 
  - Flame on  George W. Dunce   Oct-22-04 07:55 AM   #29 
  - You're correct about one thing  theHandpuppet   Oct-22-04 08:04 AM   #33 
  - I don't want to denigrate anybody  tomfodw   Oct-22-04 07:59 AM   #30 
  - One thing we can do is to object when democrats make bigoted comments  sangh0   Oct-22-04 08:07 AM   #35 
  - That's a very good suggestion  theHandpuppet   Oct-22-04 09:26 AM   #42 
  - Nobody on the right objects  tomfodw   Oct-22-04 10:21 AM   #48 
  - Some simple things first, then some more complex  theHandpuppet   Oct-22-04 09:13 AM   #41 
     - Bravo.  calgaldem   Oct-22-04 01:31 PM   #68 
        - Thank you very much  theHandpuppet   Oct-22-04 04:46 PM   #73 
  - For what its worth  randr   Oct-22-04 08:01 AM   #31 
  - A lot of it has to do with religion IMO  sangh0   Oct-22-04 08:03 AM   #32 
  - Sorry, IMO that's a straw man argument  tomfodw   Oct-22-04 08:07 AM   #34 
  - That's not a straw man  sangh0   Oct-22-04 08:15 AM   #38 
  - Nobody on the left is hostile towards religion.  secular_warrior   Oct-22-04 08:28 AM   #40 
     - You are very wrong about that  sangh0   Oct-22-04 10:14 AM   #47 
     - Well, I disagree with people who are hostile to religion  secular_warrior   Oct-22-04 11:36 AM   #59 
        - I agree with you there, but there ARE people on left with bigoted opinions  sangh0   Oct-22-04 11:56 AM   #62 
     - Well, that's wrong, I am on the left, and I am hostile toward religion  kcwayne   Oct-22-04 11:00 AM   #53 
        - Not all religious people want to shove it in others' faces  tomfodw   Oct-22-04 11:04 AM   #54 
           - there are a lot of religious people who feel and live and act as I do  kcwayne   Oct-22-04 11:10 AM   #55 
              - I think you dug yourself into a deeper hole  sangh0   Oct-22-04 12:02 PM   #63 
                 - You are not clearly reading what I said  kcwayne   Oct-22-04 12:34 PM   #65 
                    - I read what you wrote. I'm clear. You weren't  sangh0   Oct-22-04 12:46 PM   #66 
                       - You are still not clearly reading what I have stated  kcwayne   Oct-22-04 02:15 PM   #70 
                          - Then all I'll say is you should re-read your #53  sangh0   Oct-22-04 02:33 PM   #72 
  - Anti-intellectual, implied racism, anti-government plays in rural USA  patcox2   Oct-22-04 09:43 AM   #43 
  - Choosing the pResident by the size of his belt-buckle must be a WV thing  goodboy   Oct-22-04 09:58 AM   #46 
  - The Christian Right -- They vote on a very narrow agenda.  GOPBasher   Oct-22-04 10:36 AM   #50 
  - That can't be the entire state of West Virginia  tomfodw   Oct-22-04 10:46 AM   #51 
     - Abortion and gay rights are NOW the only issues they care about.  GOPBasher   Oct-22-04 11:27 AM   #58 
        - If that were really true  sangh0   Oct-22-04 12:03 PM   #64 
           - right  JohnKleeb   Oct-23-04 08:29 AM   #75 
  - Speaking of West Virginia..  zidzi   Oct-23-04 02:12 PM   #76 
     - There Is A School Of Thought In WVA Currently...  The Great Escape   Oct-23-04 02:22 PM   #77 
        - Other Southern states are beginning to question that surrender philosophy  tomfodw   Oct-23-04 02:37 PM   #79 

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