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| 48. Why I agree with Howard Dean's comment.... |
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The MOST valuable part of Howard Dean's campaign to many of us...even more important than Dean as the candidate to some of us...is that the campaign process he and Trippi have put together genuinely appealing to the grassroots, encouraging people everywhere in the country to get involved in the campaign very early on, and telling us we really do have power to change the government...is under threat when Howard Dean is attacked.
Once in a while I do hear someone say that Howard Dean has done a great job at putting the campaign together, but they disagree with him as the candidate. That has usually come from pundits in large publications.
I don't have confidence that any of the other candidates have demonstrated a real support for real grassroots campaigns, except Dennis Kucinich...campaign funding for each of the other leading candidates begins to tell the story - they are much more strongly funded by $2,000 campaign contributors than Dean is.
So I feel that when a candidate using money politics and old-line politics attacks Howard Dean...it is an attack on us, too...because they will be quick to point out Dean's way of campaigning is a failure in order to protect the entrenched world of operatives, special interests, and money.
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| -Dean: They're not trying to stop me, they're trying to stop YOU. |
chimpymustgo |
Jan-12-04 03:08 PM |
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More obnoxious presumption from the campaign |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jan-12-04 03:11 PM |
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obnoxious presumption |
dave29 |
Jan-12-04 03:14 PM |
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Yes. to say it is also an attack on his supporters is a false premise |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jan-12-04 03:24 PM |
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Hey, I've heard that before |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 03:50 PM |
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Bullshit. The establishment doesn't fear Dean. It fears an awakened |
stickdog |
Jan-12-04 05:06 PM |
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We HAVE been attacked! |
GloriaSmith |
Jan-12-04 05:31 PM |
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Uh, you must be new here |
markus |
Jan-12-04 03:38 PM |
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yes, I'm well aware |
dave29 |
Jan-12-04 05:07 PM |
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Obnoxious presumption? |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Jan-12-04 03:14 PM |
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Hey, I've heard that before |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 03:14 PM |
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Hey, I've heard that before! |
janx |
Jan-12-04 03:20 PM |
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Dean has today taken to calling his opponents "frontrunners". |
flpoljunkie |
Jan-12-04 03:28 PM |
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Hey, I've heard that before |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 03:55 PM |
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Trying to portray himself as something other than what he is |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jan-12-04 04:24 PM |
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Only CNN can annoint the "frontrunner" |
Jim4Wes |
Jan-13-04 09:32 AM |
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It was GREAT! |
Padraig18 |
Jan-12-04 03:12 PM |
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Yup, Party Power elitists biggest fear is |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 03:12 PM |
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Edwards, Clark, Kerry and Kucinich supporters are pretty empowered. |
chimpymustgo |
Jan-12-04 03:16 PM |
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Hey, I've heard that before |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 03:17 PM |
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Hey, I've heard that before! |
janx |
Jan-12-04 03:28 PM |
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Looking at the percentage of Edwards & Kerry supporters who have |
stickdog |
Jan-12-04 05:10 PM |
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Oh? Just exactly how are they empowered? |
Eloriel |
Jan-12-04 07:42 PM |
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Padraig, a question please? |
jmaier |
Jan-12-04 03:16 PM |
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you're reading too much into it. |
Padraig18 |
Jan-12-04 03:20 PM |
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Well, |
jmaier |
Jan-12-04 03:21 PM |
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Actually, look at Al From, Newt tribute, and the media |
mouse7 |
Jan-12-04 09:09 PM |
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Totally agree Pad.....this is Dean unplugged. nt |
caledesi |
Jan-12-04 03:20 PM |
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yup |
Cheswick |
Jan-12-04 03:54 PM |
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ding ding ding-- a nightmare to rove |
cthrumatrix |
Jan-12-04 07:04 PM |
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Hey, I've heard that before |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 03:12 PM |
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What About Dean's Attacks? What About Clark, Who Hasn't Attacked? |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Jan-12-04 03:13 PM |
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He also said in his speech that he wanted them to make him president on |
Bombtrack |
Jan-12-04 03:13 PM |
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Hey, I've heard that before |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 03:14 PM |
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Me too. |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-04 03:17 PM |
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Really? |
Padraig18 |
Jan-12-04 03:14 PM |
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Nah... I think he's consistent there |
NV1962 |
Jan-12-04 03:13 PM |
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Thanks, NV1962. You get it! there's nothing sinister about it. |
Lisa0825 |
Jan-12-04 08:41 PM |
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Dean's right. |
Hep |
Jan-12-04 03:14 PM |
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Boo! |
Clark Can WIN |
Jan-12-04 03:28 PM |
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Hey, I've heard that before |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 03:30 PM |
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me too |
Cheswick |
Jan-12-04 03:57 PM |
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He is right |
CMT |
Jan-12-04 03:14 PM |
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I hate when Dean goes cultish |
TheDonkey |
Jan-12-04 03:15 PM |
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Hey, I've heard that before |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 03:18 PM |
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more of the with us or against us shit |
bearfartinthewoods |
Jan-12-04 04:10 PM |
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I hate it when insiders try to crush populist movements. (nt) |
stickdog |
Jan-12-04 05:14 PM |
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Still undecided Chimpy? |
mzmolly |
Jan-12-04 03:15 PM |
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Dean's YOU won't let it happen... |
dajabr |
Jan-12-04 03:16 PM |
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Weeble Wobble! |
w4rma |
Jan-12-04 04:27 PM |
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full of stale air |
Clark Can WIN |
Jan-12-04 04:52 PM |
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He's exactly right |
party_line |
Jan-12-04 03:17 PM |
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There's a ton of articles like that on Dean - better get used to it.... |
gore-is-my-president |
Jan-12-04 05:20 PM |
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I guess Dems aren't allowed to criticize the annointed one |
cally |
Jan-12-04 03:19 PM |
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Oddly enough... |
Padraig18 |
Jan-12-04 03:22 PM |
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"annointed one" ? |
janx |
Jan-12-04 03:27 PM |
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Dean and all the supporters |
cally |
Jan-12-04 04:21 PM |
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Please tell me--give me a link or a reference--about all of the |
janx |
Jan-12-04 07:22 PM |
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I think it's a buffy |
dave29 |
Jan-12-04 05:10 PM |
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I was just about to start a topic on this. Can a Dean supporter |
cindyw |
Jan-12-04 03:22 PM |
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Dean's campaign is people powered |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 03:29 PM |
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i am not party elite and i'm out to stop dean |
bearfartinthewoods |
Jan-12-04 07:33 PM |
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I'm not party elite either and I don't want him to be president |
cindyw |
Jan-12-04 07:42 PM |
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DK is the only other candidate who really seems to support the freedom |
helleborient |
Jan-12-04 03:52 PM |
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Dean's talking about the incessant bullshit attacks & low blows. |
stickdog |
Jan-12-04 05:16 PM |
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He also said "WE are stronger than THEY are" speaking of other Democrats |
Clark Can WIN |
Jan-12-04 03:24 PM |
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Link, please? |
janx |
Jan-12-04 03:52 PM |
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No. He was talking about PEOPLE vs. the establishment, both Dem & Repuke. |
stickdog |
Jan-12-04 05:17 PM |
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No. Dean was rallying his troops against other Democrats. |
chimpymustgo |
Jan-12-04 07:15 PM |
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haha, this is funny! |
slinkerwink |
Jan-12-04 03:29 PM |
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"trying to stop you through Dean" |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jan-12-04 03:34 PM |
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Meanwhile, outside of GD:2004 |
rucky |
Jan-12-04 03:32 PM |
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When he says this, he's normally talking about Chimpy & Co. |
janx |
Jan-12-04 03:51 PM |
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well if you get CSPAN tune in right now 5:00 est |
maddezmom |
Jan-12-04 03:57 PM |
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This is crazy |
DancingBear |
Jan-12-04 03:36 PM |
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Hey, I've heard that before |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 03:38 PM |
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Let me guess |
DancingBear |
Jan-12-04 03:41 PM |
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Well, when the Clark sources of the day are Fox and Limbaugh... |
janx |
Jan-12-04 03:50 PM |
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Gee, why did I know this was coming |
DancingBear |
Jan-12-04 03:58 PM |
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You're welcome! |
janx |
Jan-12-04 04:11 PM |
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Hey, I've heard that before |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 04:00 PM |
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Yes, I'm sure you do |
DancingBear |
Jan-12-04 04:12 PM |
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Noe, not highbrow at all |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 04:12 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-12-04 04:20 PM |
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They became disenchanted with POOP when someone asked |
QC |
Jan-12-04 07:20 PM |
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Yep. He's on a polarizing populist kick |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jan-12-04 03:40 PM |
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"Ask not at whom the Chimp smirks-- |
janx |
Jan-12-04 03:37 PM |
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He's been using this line a while |
bain_sidhe |
Jan-12-04 03:40 PM |
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Dean's campaign is not the same as other campaigns... |
helleborient |
Jan-12-04 03:49 PM |
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Hunh. And Clinton won twice. |
library_max |
Jan-12-04 04:46 PM |
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That's all you got. FEAR. Just like the Repuke fear mongers. (nt) |
stickdog |
Jan-12-04 05:19 PM |
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Call off the dogs. |
library_max |
Jan-13-04 09:30 AM |
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Dean is just digging himself a hole. All this "straight talk" that his |
neverforget |
Jan-12-04 03:40 PM |
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scares is my choice of words |
bearfartinthewoods |
Jan-12-04 04:42 PM |
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So, are you going to vote Bush or just stay home? (nt) |
stickdog |
Jan-12-04 05:20 PM |
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Why I agree with Howard Dean's comment.... |
helleborient |
Jan-12-04 03:42 PM |
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You are wrong, Dean is right |
worldgonekrazy |
Jan-12-04 03:42 PM |
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Why? BECAUSE HE WILL LOSE HORRIBLY. |
ClarkGraham2004 |
Jan-12-04 07:35 PM |
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Yes. Keep using fear to intimidate. |
stickdog |
Jan-12-04 08:33 PM |
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Hey, I've heard that before |
Cheswick |
Jan-12-04 03:53 PM |
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Does Dean support my right to want him stopped??? |
sandnsea |
Jan-12-04 03:58 PM |
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It's possible he wasn't talking about you? |
rucky |
Jan-12-04 04:10 PM |
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I've heard this before "I'm taking my bat and ball and going home" |
oasis |
Jan-12-04 04:09 PM |
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Dean Also Says This Isn't About HIM It's About "US" |
cryingshame |
Jan-12-04 04:11 PM |
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Wait--you're calling the Dean campaign a cult and then |
janx |
Jan-12-04 04:15 PM |
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I Removed The Reference To Astrology Before You Responded |
cryingshame |
Jan-12-04 04:19 PM |
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But you referred to it as astrology in your post. |
janx |
Jan-12-04 04:22 PM |
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I wouldn't say that |
Walt Starr |
Jan-12-04 04:45 PM |
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Christianity is far more cult-like. Wouldn't you agree? (nt) |
stickdog |
Jan-12-04 05:23 PM |
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Cults feature a strong leader who is admired with a fervent devoti |
gore-is-my-president |
Jan-12-04 05:26 PM |
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You mean like Ghandi or Jesus or JFK or FDR? |
stickdog |
Jan-12-04 08:10 PM |
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Having been quite involved in the Dean campaign since |
indigo32 |
Jan-12-04 05:26 PM |
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Misleader |
isbister |
Jan-12-04 04:44 PM |
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Dean's right. They don't give a damn about Dean. Their problem with Dean |
stickdog |
Jan-12-04 05:05 PM |
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We're scared of getting Bush in for 4 more years. And of Dean's record. |
gore-is-my-president |
Jan-12-04 05:34 PM |
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The activist nature of said campaign |
DancingBear |
Jan-12-04 06:01 PM |
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So your argument is that if we stand up for ourselves, we'll lose |
stickdog |
Jan-12-04 08:27 PM |
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It was a literal truth |
Lobo_13 |
Jan-12-04 06:41 PM |
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Dean creeps me out. |
ClarkGraham2004 |
Jan-12-04 07:34 PM |
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Clark scares children. |
cynicalSOB1 |
Jan-12-04 08:43 PM |
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Clark has cooties. |
stickdog |
Jan-12-04 08:46 PM |
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They are. This is a grassroots movement, Dean is just part of it. |
cynicalSOB1 |
Jan-12-04 08:42 PM |
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and that's what people still don't understand! |
slinkerwink |
Jan-12-04 08:49 PM |
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I think we have to start doing a better job of presenting our message. |
cynicalSOB1 |
Jan-12-04 09:00 PM |
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So let me see if I've got this straight |
sangh0 |
Jan-13-04 09:54 AM |
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He is correct of course |
quaker bill |
Jan-12-04 09:51 PM |
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