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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. "You assert as a fact"
I asserted nothing as a fact. I suppose you would argue in court that any
"reasonable person" argument should be rejected because the reasonable
person does not in fact exist?


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  -Video Evidence Reveals Debris From WTC 1 Collapse Hitting WTC 7 boloboffin  Jul-02-06 05:27 PM   #0 
  - Actually  Popol Vuh   Jul-03-06 04:19 AM   #1 
  - I didn't say it hit the roof.  boloboffin   Jul-03-06 10:42 AM   #7 
  - more pictures from that scene  hpot   Jul-04-06 11:58 AM   #58 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-03-06 05:49 AM   #2 
  - Except no one has ever claimed there was damage to the roof..  hack89   Jul-03-06 08:48 AM   #4 
     - NIST's June 2005 fairy tale about WTC7 claims there was  petgoat   Jul-03-06 03:12 PM   #23 
        - We have been informed by rman  boloboffin   Jul-03-06 04:39 PM   #28 
           - NIST had two photos of WTC7 damage in its 6-04 progress  petgoat   Jul-22-06 05:39 PM   #149 
  - South side of WTC7 is not visible in that video,  rman   Jul-03-06 06:54 AM   #3 
  - What if the whole idea is simply to waste your time, sow seeds of doubt  BuddyYoung   Jul-03-06 08:49 AM   #5 
  - That's probably what it is  rman   Jul-03-06 09:39 AM   #6 
  - What if the whole idea is find out what the truth is?  boloboffin   Jul-03-06 10:56 AM   #10 
  - Go look at the video, rman.  boloboffin   Jul-03-06 10:44 AM   #8 
     - Show us the pictures of "actual damage" to WTC7,  rman   Jul-03-06 10:54 AM   #9 
     - See post #11. No pictures right now, but we'll have video at 11. nt  BuddyYoung   Jul-03-06 10:58 AM   #12 
     - The collapse wasn't symetrical.  boloboffin   Jul-03-06 11:03 AM   #13 
        - so, no pictures of "actual damage"  rman   Jul-03-06 11:35 AM   #15 
        - The collapse wasn't even "near-symmetrical".  boloboffin   Jul-03-06 01:38 PM   #19 
        - Bwahahahahahah..............  jschurchin   Jul-06-06 05:19 AM   #95 
           - Thank you for your observation. n/t  boloboffin   Jul-06-06 12:08 PM   #96 
              - Your Welcome!  jschurchin   Jul-06-06 08:25 PM   #102 
     - That's not all that hit WTC7. I saw a picture of a hammer falling on it.  BuddyYoung   Jul-03-06 10:56 AM   #11 
     - Thank you for your observation. n/t  boloboffin   Jul-03-06 11:03 AM   #14 
     - LOL  rman   Jul-03-06 11:36 AM   #16 
     - Steel?  DoYouEverWonder   Jul-03-06 12:17 PM   #17 
        - I think it WAS steel, but it wasn't Sy Metrecal. Coincidence? U decide.  BuddyYoung   Jul-03-06 12:45 PM   #18 
     - Anybody walking around Ground Zero and wondering what  petgoat   Jul-03-06 03:30 PM   #24 
        - Sorry, I meant FEMA disses the structural damage hypothesis nt  petgoat   Jul-03-06 05:44 PM   #32 
        - That's a precarious pile of unsupported bales you've erected...  Jazz2006   Jul-03-06 08:59 PM   #42 
           - I guess you never heard of the fictitious "reasonable person,"  petgoat   Jul-03-06 09:32 PM   #43 
              - Au contraire...  Jazz2006   Jul-04-06 01:49 AM   #46 
                 - "I know all about the 'reasonable person' test "  petgoat   Jul-04-06 03:10 AM   #47 
                    - Pfft.  Jazz2006   Jul-04-06 03:14 AM   #48 
                       - For the third time, please explain how my construct falls down.  petgoat   Jul-04-06 03:21 AM   #49 
                          - Nice try, once again  Jazz2006   Jul-04-06 03:25 AM   #50 
                             - What is nonsensical about the proposition that a  petgoat   Jul-04-06 03:37 AM   #52 
                                - You're still trying to distance yourself from your post...  Jazz2006   Jul-04-06 03:41 AM   #53 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-04-06 03:44 AM   #54 
                                      - Still no substance, still no answers.  petgoat   Jul-04-06 04:00 AM   #55 
                                         - Your initial construct was faulty  Jazz2006   Jul-04-06 06:13 PM   #59 
                                            - I know you were dying to giving substantive answers, and it must really  BuddyYoung   Jul-04-06 07:26 PM   #60 
                                               - Cute.  Jazz2006   Jul-04-06 11:00 PM   #61 
                                                  - Still no substantive criticism of the construct, only labelling.  petgoat   Jul-04-06 11:23 PM   #62 
                                                     - You can ask as many times as you like... the answer remains the same.  Jazz2006   Jul-04-06 11:26 PM   #63 
                                                     - "You assert as a fact"  petgoat   Jul-04-06 11:50 PM   #64 
                                                     - You did, actually.  Jazz2006   Jul-05-06 12:09 AM   #65 
                                                     - The asssumption that a reasonable person would have  petgoat   Jul-05-06 12:42 AM   #66 
                                                     - Lol. Nice try yet again.  Jazz2006   Jul-05-06 12:51 AM   #67 
                                                     - "assumptions with no basis in fact."  petgoat   Jul-05-06 01:35 PM   #68 
                                                     - Umm. It's my OP.  boloboffin   Jul-05-06 02:09 PM   #69 
                                                     - Right you are. I had two tabs open and got confused  petgoat   Jul-05-06 02:18 PM   #70 
                                                     - Remind me what the substantive issue is again? n/t  boloboffin   Jul-05-06 02:24 PM   #71 
                                                     - Thanks for asking. I know, the spam-attack makes it difficult to find.  petgoat   Jul-05-06 02:39 PM   #72 
                                                     - The south wall fell over on top of the whole pile.  boloboffin   Jul-05-06 03:03 PM   #73 
                                                     - They took the pile apart, piece by piece. They loaded the  petgoat   Jul-05-06 03:41 PM   #74 
                                                     - I think we cannot prove the official story is false  Hope2006   Jul-05-06 03:52 PM   #75 
                                                     - Which brings us back to the OP  boloboffin   Jul-05-06 04:15 PM   #76 
                                                     - There is no evidence of this debris.  petgoat   Jul-05-06 04:26 PM   #78 
                                                     - Provide me with your sourcing for "firemen fearful of CD in WTC 7".  boloboffin   Jul-05-06 04:55 PM   #79 
                                                     - There is of course no source for that. The whole concept  petgoat   Jul-05-06 05:03 PM   #81 
                                                     - So you pulled that completely out of your...  boloboffin   Jul-05-06 05:09 PM   #82 
                                                     - thank you for your sharing n/t  Hope2006   Jul-05-06 06:27 PM   #85 
                                                     - "we cannot prove the official story is false"  petgoat   Jul-05-06 04:22 PM   #77 
                                                     - So...  boloboffin   Jul-05-06 05:01 PM   #80 
                                                     - ..  petgoat   Jul-05-06 06:14 PM   #83 
                                                     - Oops. My mistake.  boloboffin   Jul-06-06 12:07 AM   #89 
                                                     - WOW, good eye! Yes, those pictures will make you see  petgoat   Jul-06-06 02:23 AM   #92 
                                                     - Screen captures:  boloboffin   Jul-06-06 02:38 AM   #93 
                                                     - Bolo, these photos are such a coup, I'm really surprised  petgoat   Jul-10-06 04:21 PM   #122 
                                                     - Yes, and then I reposted it in a wrapup post further down.  boloboffin   Jul-10-06 04:28 PM   #124 
                                                     - I don't think you got what I had to say n/t  Hope2006   Jul-05-06 06:24 PM   #84 
                                                     - I got it, I just don't agree with it.  petgoat   Jul-06-06 12:03 AM   #87 
                                                     - I am surprised at you  Hope2006   Jul-05-06 06:39 PM   #86 
                                                     - I am calling for an independent investigation, nt  petgoat   Jul-06-06 12:04 AM   #88 
                                                     - Good to hear, and thank you! n/t  Hope2006   Jul-06-06 03:39 AM   #94 
                                                     - I've been thinking about what you asked here  Hope2006   Jul-07-06 03:15 PM   #115 
                                                     - "we need an "independent" criminal investigation. "  petgoat   Jul-07-06 03:31 PM   #116 
                                                     - I do not disagree with anything you are saying  Hope2006   Jul-07-06 03:58 PM   #117 
                                                     - I like to add a couple of more people to the list  DrDebug   Jul-09-06 02:50 PM   #120 
                                                     - Re #72 (hard to tell which posts are responding to which when it gets  Jazz2006   Jul-06-06 01:01 AM   #91 
  - "so, no pictures of actual damage"  Popol Vuh   Jul-03-06 02:08 PM   #20 
  - It didn't "fail at exactly the same time". That is false information!  boloboffin   Jul-03-06 02:14 PM   #21 
     - So what you're trying to say is:  Popol Vuh   Jul-03-06 02:48 PM   #22 
        - Stop restating/rewording what I say and deal with what I say.  boloboffin   Jul-03-06 04:07 PM   #25 
           - This may have been discussed  Hope2006   Jul-03-06 04:11 PM   #26 
           - And discussed and discussed and discussed and discussed  boloboffin   Jul-03-06 04:17 PM   #27 
              - So, if "pull it" meant getting all firefighters out of the building  Hope2006   Jul-03-06 04:41 PM   #29 
              - I thought that was a policeman.  boloboffin   Jul-03-06 04:44 PM   #30 
                 - Regardless, policeman or fireman  Hope2006   Jul-03-06 04:48 PM   #31 
                    - What are you talking about?  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 02:39 AM   #118 
              - "Pull out" and "pull it" are two different things. nt  petgoat   Jul-03-06 06:00 PM   #34 
              - Only in bed (n/t)  vincent_vega_lives   Jul-25-06 12:47 PM   #157 
              - But notice  Popol Vuh   Jul-03-06 06:07 PM   #36 
                 - Of course it doesn't make grammatical sense  Hope2006   Jul-03-06 06:17 PM   #37 
                    - Pull It  vincent_vega_lives   Jul-25-06 12:50 PM   #158 
           - No restating/rewording....Just concluding.  Popol Vuh   Jul-03-06 05:46 PM   #33 
           - FEMA's assumption that the seismic reading reflects  petgoat   Jul-03-06 06:04 PM   #35 
  - very convincing  New World Odor   Jul-03-06 06:54 PM   #38 
  - What are those trails of exhaust-like dust behind the projectiles?  petgoat   Jul-03-06 07:21 PM   #39 
  - Eyewitness accounts of heavy damage to WTC7  hack89   Jul-03-06 07:46 PM   #40 
  - The descriptions are all over the map.  petgoat   Jul-03-06 09:42 PM   #44 
     - Not your strongest comeback ever ...  hack89   Jul-04-06 06:35 AM   #57 
  - I count at least 50 explosions on this video....plus as a bonus  DemInDistress   Jul-03-06 07:52 PM   #41 
  - I see a lot of breaking windows  psychopomp   Jul-03-06 11:55 PM   #45 
  - what is that "flash" within the debris collapsing? Look close  DemInDistress   Jul-04-06 03:32 AM   #51 
  - I don't know what they are but all of your references are to the  psychopomp   Jul-04-06 04:08 AM   #56 
  - FWIW, I wrote about the 'small fires & no damage' myth at WTC 7  PerpetualYnquisitive   Jul-06-06 12:20 AM   #90 
  - A very productive thread so far.  boloboffin   Jul-06-06 01:52 PM   #97 
  - I'll see your petty debris near WTC 7 & raise you....  PerpetualYnquisitive   Jul-06-06 04:50 PM   #98 
  - Good God Almighty.  boloboffin   Jul-06-06 05:09 PM   #99 
  - From my secret 'stash',  PerpetualYnquisitive   Jul-06-06 05:21 PM   #100 
  - In other words, you refuse to provide the source?  petgoat   Jul-07-06 01:58 AM   #103 
     - Now why would you make such an accusation?  PerpetualYnquisitive   Jul-07-06 08:51 AM   #105 
        - I rather doubt the picture appears in "The Murder of Christ"  petgoat   Jul-07-06 09:59 AM   #106 
           - As I previously stated, "Pay attention."  PerpetualYnquisitive   Jul-07-06 10:20 AM   #107 
              - So your source is a DVD cited in a guy's analysis of  petgoat   Jul-07-06 10:32 AM   #109 
                 - My source is NOT a DVD cited in a guy's analysis of  PerpetualYnquisitive   Jul-07-06 11:08 AM   #111 
                    - Your source is alleged TV footage. Give it to NIST. They're  petgoat   Jul-07-06 12:10 PM   #112 
                       - Well.  boloboffin   Jul-07-06 12:24 PM   #113 
                          - It is a screenshot that I took,  PerpetualYnquisitive   Jul-07-06 12:49 PM   #114 
  - See the very bottom of this link.  PerpetualYnquisitive   Jul-06-06 07:18 PM   #101 
  - South face damage seems to line up with this,  PerpetualYnquisitive   Jul-07-06 10:39 AM   #110 
  - Great work Perpetually!....that is a ground breakin' foto! n/t  seatnineb   Jul-21-06 05:46 AM   #136 
  - Thanks.  PerpetualYnquisitive   Jul-23-06 10:14 AM   #151 
  - Source video clip available.  PerpetualYnquisitive   Aug-23-06 09:06 PM   #159 
  - Windows Media Player doesn't reproduce Quicktime's  petgoat   Jul-07-06 02:24 AM   #104 
  - Try CaptureWizPro. It can screen grab anything, from any source,  Progs Rock   Jul-09-06 04:22 AM   #119 
  - Post Office debris is from WTC7  petgoat   Jul-07-06 10:25 AM   #108 
  - I have the same problems in IE with WMP as I do in Firefox.  boloboffin   Jul-10-06 11:59 AM   #121 
  - That "layered" thing is the problem I had in Quicktime.  petgoat   Jul-10-06 04:22 PM   #123 
     - Not quite what happened to me.  boloboffin   Jul-10-06 04:40 PM   #125 
        - Yes, I've noticed the same thing  salvorhardin   Jul-10-06 07:32 PM   #126 
  - I'm not convinced that's a tower perimeter tree  petgoat   Jul-20-06 03:44 PM   #127 
  - And confirmation bias wins again!  boloboffin   Jul-20-06 04:36 PM   #128 
     - How bout it? It's in the street. There's no evidence it hit  petgoat   Jul-20-06 05:02 PM   #129 
        - Petgoat, you disappoint me profoundly.  boloboffin   Jul-20-06 05:07 PM   #130 
           - It's a reasonable doubt, given:  petgoat   Jul-20-06 05:29 PM   #131 
           - You have, on purpose, destroyed the resolution on those photographs  boloboffin   Jul-20-06 05:35 PM   #132 
              - They were taken from full-screen Windows Media screenshots.  petgoat   Jul-20-06 05:41 PM   #133 
           - I disappoint you? IOW, you haven't got a source for the photo? nt  petgoat   Jul-21-06 10:11 PM   #137 
  - Wow! Another obvious pod!  mhatrw   Jul-20-06 06:53 PM   #135 
  - That's NOT a WTC1 perimeter column tree  petgoat   Jul-22-06 11:34 AM   #138 
     - Bullshit.  boloboffin   Jul-22-06 12:35 PM   #139 
        - When you produced that CNN photo I was quick to  petgoat   Jul-22-06 01:21 PM   #140 
           - Disgraceful, it remains.  boloboffin   Jul-22-06 02:55 PM   #142 
              - "disgraceful.".  petgoat   Jul-22-06 05:16 PM   #146 
              - Your demo proves my point. Put a 3X5 card on the screen.  petgoat   Jul-23-06 11:34 AM   #152 
                 - You are no longer worth the time to refute you.  boloboffin   Jul-23-06 01:25 PM   #153 
                    - IOW, you're not going to answer the questions, provide the source,  petgoat   Jul-23-06 01:34 PM   #154 
                       - Is THAT how/why so many messages get David Copperfielded?  BuddyYoung   Jul-23-06 02:26 PM   #155 
  - Yep. You can see that pod hit WTC-7 from a mile away! n/t  mhatrw   Jul-20-06 06:51 PM   #134 
  - bolo, do you know how telephoto lenses work?  petgoat   Jul-22-06 02:21 PM   #141 
  - Your post contains an outright lie, petgoat.  boloboffin   Jul-22-06 02:58 PM   #143 
  - You should try measuring sometime before you call "liar," bolo  petgoat   Jul-22-06 04:08 PM   #144 
     - Riiiiight.  boloboffin   Jul-22-06 04:26 PM   #145 
        - Measure the photos. Provide other Quicktime frames  petgoat   Jul-22-06 05:18 PM   #147 
           - Petgoat, what you see before you is the curb.  boloboffin   Jul-23-06 12:05 AM   #150 
  - You didn't answer the question. Do you realize that the tele lenses  petgoat   Jul-22-06 05:29 PM   #148 
  - Confirmation bias once again.  petgoat   Jul-23-06 05:46 PM   #156 
  - kick n/t  Jazz2006   Aug-28-06 04:14 AM   #160 
  - kick nt  greyl   Jan-21-07 09:04 PM   #161 
 

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