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Response to Reply #165
170. The contents of the Madrid towers
fuel fires hot enough to cause the steel portions to weaken and collapse, just like the WTC. So in that regards it is a good comparison. IF the Madrid tower had been identical to the WTC it's collapse would have produced rubble pile fires just like the WTC.
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  -Steven Jones analyzes steel from WTC mirandapriestly  Jun-13-06 04:44 AM   #0 
  - Great interview.......  StealthyDragon   Jun-13-06 07:22 AM   #1 
  - Good one.  mirandapriestly   Jun-13-06 10:21 AM   #2 
     - I'm hearing that the neocon  StealthyDragon   Jun-14-06 01:39 PM   #27 
        - If that is true then this research is probably on the right track.nt  mirandapriestly   Jun-14-06 09:53 PM   #33 
        - I've been suggesting all along that al Qaeda could have  petgoat   Jun-18-06 10:51 AM   #90 
        - That third alternative  Hope2006   Jun-18-06 10:54 AM   #91 
        - While there is a lot of discussion about bombs and such.  atfqn   Jun-23-06 08:50 PM   #148 
  - Wow, a real smoking gun  LARED   Jun-13-06 01:13 PM   #3 
  - Yeah, I'm sure BYU hires a "fraud" as a physics professor.  mirandapriestly   Jun-13-06 01:40 PM   #4 
  - I'm sure he's a physic professor  LARED   Jun-13-06 03:00 PM   #7 
  - For a minute, I thought you were talking about the "Lareds" at DU. n/t  Americus   Jun-13-06 05:23 PM   #14 
  - They just fired a professor for being for gay rights.  greyl   Jun-13-06 04:04 PM   #11 
  - That is sad.  mirandapriestly   Jun-14-06 09:54 PM   #34 
  - Here's a link about it  LARED   Jun-15-06 04:43 AM   #39 
  - His credibility is questionable. Cold Fusion, Christ in America.  MervinFerd   Jun-13-06 08:02 PM   #19 
     - Dr. Jones's credibility in cold fusion is not in any doubt.  petgoat   Jun-14-06 12:57 AM   #23 
     - There's no question of his credibility as far as I'm concerned...  SidDithers   Jun-14-06 02:36 PM   #29 
        - I agree, he is definitely credible..  mirandapriestly   Jun-14-06 11:40 PM   #36 
  - The fact that the iron was molten, not that it was iron is the issue  mirandapriestly   Jun-13-06 02:10 PM   #6 
  - The iron was molten???  LARED   Jun-13-06 03:27 PM   #10 
     - It had been molten,it had reformed as  mirandapriestly   Jun-13-06 04:15 PM   #12 
        - The question then becomes  LARED   Jun-13-06 05:13 PM   #13 
           - He'll publish the results later. I don't know. nt  mirandapriestly   Jun-13-06 05:59 PM   #17 
              - Have we seen Dr. Jones publication of his results yet?  SidDithers   Jan-09-07 03:29 PM   #151 
                 - Yes indeed he has! You should...  wildbilln864   Jan-09-07 06:23 PM   #152 
                    - I believe Sid was referring to results from any test of molten metal samples.  Make7   Jan-10-07 09:57 PM   #160 
  - The point was not that it had iron, but that the iron was molten.  mhatrw   Jun-14-06 06:24 PM   #30 
     - That's not the question  LARED   Jun-15-06 04:37 AM   #38 
        - And how did steel melt in these underground fires?  mhatrw   Jun-15-06 02:59 PM   #41 
           - It was very hot  LARED   Jun-15-06 03:03 PM   #42 
              - "It was very hot". Can Thermite cause steel to melt? n/t  Americus   Jun-15-06 04:59 PM   #44 
              - Yes, of course it does, That's one of its primary uses. (n/t)  LARED   Jun-15-06 06:35 PM   #45 
              - So how did these underground fires get so hot?  mhatrw   Jun-15-06 10:15 PM   #46 
                 - No, but what OCT'ers will say is: "WTC fire was a unique situation."  Americus   Jun-15-06 11:20 PM   #47 
                 - Are you saying the WTC wasn't a unique situation?...  SidDithers   Jun-16-06 07:20 AM   #49 
                    - Oh, it was unique. That's one reason we know the OCT is a lie.  Americus   Jun-16-06 08:40 AM   #51 
                       - Having a hard time keeping your stories straight?...  SidDithers   Jun-16-06 09:00 AM   #52 
                       - !!!!!!  LARED   Jun-16-06 11:14 AM   #55 
                       - I just pointed out the absurdity of your claims by letting u trap yourself  Americus   Jun-16-06 12:08 PM   #56 
                       - Indeed.  Jazz2006   Jun-17-06 02:36 AM   #59 
                          - And the OCT'er Brigade of shills/trolls pretend to not "get it"  Americus   Jun-17-06 09:59 AM   #67 
                             - FWIW, the troll/shill thing is against the rules (n/t)  LARED   Jun-17-06 11:43 AM   #75 
                                - But, it is ok to call those who question "Tin Hat Brigade"?  Hope2006   Jun-17-06 11:46 AM   #76 
                                   - Touche' Hope  mirandapriestly   Jun-18-06 01:11 AM   #84 
                       - didnt collapse  sabbat hunter   Jun-21-06 06:50 AM   #127 
                 - How many underground urban fires have there been  LARED   Jun-16-06 04:21 AM   #48 
                 - I don't know.  mhatrw   Jun-16-06 08:01 AM   #50 
                    - Yes it was unique  LARED   Jun-16-06 11:13 AM   #54 
                       - From what I've read the WTC was designed to withstand an airplane strike.  mhatrw   Jun-16-06 06:24 PM   #57 
                          - Sure I have ideas  LARED   Jun-17-06 07:17 AM   #61 
                             - You studiously avoided answering my question.  mhatrw   Jun-17-06 09:38 AM   #64 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-06 10:02 AM   #68 
                             - Troll Army! Troll Army!...  SidDithers   Jun-17-06 09:18 PM   #79 
                                - "Paid infiltrator" stuff, that takes me back.  boloboffin   Jun-18-06 02:08 AM   #87 
                                   - I sort of miss DD  LARED   Jun-18-06 03:37 PM   #100 
                                   - People need to know about "paid OCT shill stuff".  Americus   Jun-18-06 05:00 PM   #102 
                             - Let me clarify  LARED   Jun-17-06 10:38 AM   #72 
                                - I'm not convinced of anything.  mhatrw   Jun-18-06 01:16 AM   #85 
                                   - That's a succinct, rational post, mhat. Welcome to DU! nt  petgoat   Jun-18-06 11:04 AM   #93 
                                   - You are seriously misrepresenting what the NIST  LARED   Jun-18-06 03:35 PM   #99 
                                      - I am? What metallurgical analyses of the collapsed WTC steel  mhatrw   Jun-19-06 05:17 PM   #104 
                                      - Here's 184 pages of analysis of the steel by NIST  boloboffin   Jun-20-06 04:14 PM   #114 
                                         - I've read it. To summamize:  mhatrw   Jun-20-06 06:57 PM   #116 
                                            - You're cursing an apple for not being an orange.  boloboffin   Jun-21-06 12:20 AM   #125 
                                            - No, I'm pointing out five highly relevant facts.  mhatrw   Jun-21-06 11:04 AM   #129 
                                            - You're not getting it.  boloboffin   Jun-21-06 04:21 PM   #132 
                                            - No, you are not getting it.  mhatrw   Jun-21-06 05:36 PM   #133 
                                            - The best evidence doesn't contradict my primary hypothesis.  boloboffin   Jun-21-06 06:11 PM   #134 
                                            - And who decided to examine so little physical evidence so that  mhatrw   Jun-21-06 07:20 PM   #137 
                                            - Why was this all it was intended to do???  boloboffin   Jun-21-06 07:54 PM   #140 
                                            - Why didn't the NIST study start until August 2002?  mhatrw   Jun-21-06 10:10 PM   #142 
                                            - Powerful, convincing, extremely well-reasoned post. Congratulations.  Americus   Jun-21-06 06:15 PM   #135 
                                            - Thanks. But I'm getting a feeling that I'm wasting my time here.  mhatrw   Jun-21-06 07:24 PM   #138 
                                            - I hope you continue to contribute  Hope2006   Jun-21-06 07:32 PM   #139 
                                            - Isn't 2 of these tasks a waste of time?  StrafingMoose   Jun-21-06 04:15 PM   #131 
                                            - Wrong node..  StrafingMoose   Jun-21-06 08:59 PM   #141 
                                      - The NIST is the one who did the "serious misrepresenting"  mirandapriestly   Jun-22-06 02:04 AM   #144 
                             - "know what their doing"?  petgoat   Jun-18-06 11:01 AM   #92 
                                - "know what their doing"?  petgoat   Jun-18-06 04:31 PM   #101 
                 - Thermite contains iron oxide, which would provide  mirandapriestly   Jun-17-06 12:59 AM   #58 
                    - Ever taken a chemistry class?  LARED   Jun-17-06 06:50 AM   #60 
                       - Plenty of air for over 2000 C temperatures?  mhatrw   Jun-17-06 09:45 AM   #65 
                       - Steel melts around 2500 F not 2000 C (3632 F)  LARED   Jun-17-06 10:50 AM   #74 
                          - What conditions result in fires hot enough to melt steel?  mhatrw   Jun-18-06 01:23 AM   #86 
                             - I never said I was an expert  LARED   Jun-18-06 07:22 PM   #103 
                                - What was burning?  mhatrw   Jun-19-06 05:34 PM   #105 
                                   - What was burning?  LARED   Jun-20-06 09:49 AM   #107 
                                      - You're saying the entire 110 story building was burning?  Americus   Jun-20-06 10:38 AM   #109 
                                      - Read much slower, It will help comprehension (n/t)  LARED   Jun-20-06 11:58 AM   #111 
                                         - You didn't say ANYTHING actually burned, only that it was "available"  Americus   Jun-20-06 02:19 PM   #112 
                                            - OkeeDokee  LARED   Jun-21-06 04:47 AM   #126 
                                      - So which of these contents fueled these record underground fires?  mhatrw   Jun-20-06 03:45 PM   #113 
                                         - What was fueling the fires before the collapse?  hack89   Jun-20-06 07:37 PM   #118 
                                            - Thousands of gallons of aircraft fuel and a huge hole in the building  mhatrw   Jun-20-06 09:37 PM   #122 
                                               - But since the jet fuel was consumed in less than 10 minutes ...  hack89   Jun-20-06 09:47 PM   #124 
                                                  - You guys are great at coming up with wild ass guesses.  mhatrw   Jun-21-06 11:07 AM   #130 
                                                  - Well, you could apply some logic to the issue ....  hack89   Jun-21-06 06:24 PM   #136 
                                                  - That's not evidence.  mhatrw   Jun-22-06 12:58 AM   #143 
                                                  - Well, why don't you provide some evidence to support your argument,  hack89   Jun-22-06 09:41 PM   #145 
                                                  - My argument is that unique, critical, important, historic, compelling  mhatrw   Jun-23-06 06:19 PM   #146 
                                                  - Damn, mhatrw!  Contrite   Jan-14-07 06:56 PM   #162 
                                                  - I refer you to what you seek:  boloboffin   Jan-14-07 09:13 PM   #167 
                                                  - Here is Dr. Jones' response.  Contrite   Jan-14-07 10:30 PM   #169 
                                                  - I'd like some proof for this unsupported assertion of yours.  boloboffin   Jan-14-07 11:03 PM   #172 
                                                  - It is not my assertion.  Contrite   Jan-14-07 11:35 PM   #173 
                                                  - Well, go get your reasons from him for this unsupported assertion of his.  boloboffin   Jan-15-07 12:09 AM   #174 
                                                  - Alright.  Contrite   Jan-15-07 12:50 AM   #175 
                                                  - Your quotemining (sorry, Stephen Jones' quotemining) is showing.  boloboffin   Jan-15-07 01:14 AM   #176 
                                                  - I miss the point.  Contrite   Jan-15-07 02:10 AM   #177 
                                                  - We always hear about the "unprecedented" character of these collapses...  boloboffin   Jan-15-07 02:41 AM   #178 
                                                  - Yes, there's always a first time.  Contrite   Jan-15-07 02:49 AM   #179 
                                                  - Maybe NIST didn't bother because they didn't see the problem.  boloboffin   Jan-15-07 02:54 AM   #180 
                                                  - That is one of the central problems with the report.  Contrite   Jan-15-07 03:21 AM   #181 
                                                  - Do you think the NIST report  eyl   Jan-16-07 09:57 AM   #184 
                                                  - You don't know about pure fusion? I guess that might sound like  John Q. Citizen   Jan-16-07 10:28 AM   #185 
                                                  - Did I claim to be an eyewitness?  eyl   Jan-16-07 11:12 AM   #186 
                                                  - Oh, sorry. i thought perhaps you saw the  John Q. Citizen   Jan-16-07 11:36 AM   #187 
                                                  - So are antimatter bombs  eyl   Jan-16-07 12:04 PM   #188 
                                                  - Yeah, and NIST didn't test for high explosive residue, either.  John Q. Citizen   Jan-16-07 12:34 PM   #189 
                                                  - Also, a firefighter talks of the flowing molten metal  Contrite   Jan-16-07 03:23 AM   #183 
                                                  - Madrid did not have underground fires  Contrite   Jan-14-07 04:51 AM   #161 
                                                  - Lets see here ...  hack89   Jan-14-07 07:42 PM   #164 
                                                  - Exactly.  Contrite   Jan-14-07 09:03 PM   #165 
                                                  - Then quit comparing the Madrid fire to the WTC collapses.  boloboffin   Jan-14-07 09:12 PM   #166 
                                                  - I was talking about the rubble.  Contrite   Jan-14-07 10:28 PM   #168 
                                                  - The contents of the Madrid towers  hack89   Jan-14-07 10:37 PM   #170 
                                                  - But it wasn't identical.  Contrite   Jan-14-07 10:47 PM   #171 
                                                  - True, but don't forget that Madrid is "proof" ..  hack89   Jan-15-07 07:48 AM   #182 
                       - Any relation to a certain "azcat"? You sound like you're related. n/t  Americus   Jun-17-06 10:04 AM   #69 
                       - The only relation is we're both real engineers.  LARED   Jun-17-06 10:17 AM   #71 
                          - Yeah, you and make 7 share a degree  mirandapriestly   Jun-18-06 12:40 AM   #82 
                             - Yes, we're actually co-joined twins  LARED   Jun-18-06 08:13 AM   #89 
                             - Which one is "Dang" and which is "Daisy"...or are they interchangeable?  Americus   Jun-18-06 11:25 AM   #95 
                             - Does anyone else miss 'janedoe'?  Make7   Jan-08-07 10:25 PM   #149 
                                - I know why you brought this thread up M7  mirandapriestly   Jan-09-07 10:29 PM   #158 
                                   - Interesting...  Make7   Jan-10-07 09:15 PM   #159 
                                      - On a personal note:  greyl   Jan-14-07 07:18 PM   #163 
                                         - My rude posts have been in response to my treatment here  mirandapriestly   Jan-16-07 03:58 PM   #190 
                       - Yes, but I doubt you have  mirandapriestly   Jun-18-06 12:38 AM   #81 
                       - Prof Jones clearly has expertize most people lack  LARED   Jun-18-06 08:12 AM   #88 
                       - It's not my theory.  mirandapriestly   Jun-18-06 12:42 PM   #97 
                          - You are absolutely correct  LARED   Jun-18-06 03:34 PM   #98 
                             - I'd say  mirandapriestly   Jun-20-06 10:16 AM   #108 
                                - OCT'ers can't disprove SJones's work. His credentials ensure that.  Americus   Jun-20-06 10:42 AM   #110 
                                   - Haven't you noticed, they all have  mirandapriestly   Jun-20-06 05:53 PM   #115 
                                   - I don't believe it. It's more likely they only have ACCESS to  Americus   Jun-20-06 07:20 PM   #117 
                                   - Brilliant!  AZCat   Jun-20-06 09:04 PM   #120 
                                      - no, just phony engineers with bogus degrees from Wikipedia & Google  Americus   Jun-20-06 09:22 PM   #121 
                                         - Good.  AZCat   Jun-20-06 09:46 PM   #123 
                                   - Maybe that's why we get so frustrated...  SidDithers   Jun-21-06 08:56 AM   #128 
                                   - Hold on a second..  hack89   Jun-20-06 08:16 PM   #119 
  - Color of molten aluminium  rman   Jun-13-06 01:56 PM   #5 
  - Another fact a physics professor should be aware of  LARED   Jun-13-06 03:01 PM   #8 
  - Another fact that all DUers (esp. those new here) should be aware of  Americus   Jun-13-06 05:28 PM   #15 
  - Or...does it?....NT  mirandapriestly   Jun-13-06 09:53 PM   #22 
  - Perhaps you'd be kind enough...  AZCat   Jun-14-06 08:02 AM   #25 
  - Most of us....  StealthyDragon   Jun-14-06 01:40 PM   #28 
     - Heh heh heh  mirandapriestly   Jun-14-06 11:24 PM   #35 
        - It's so obvious..........  StealthyDragon   Jun-15-06 07:22 AM   #40 
  - self delete  LARED   Jun-13-06 03:01 PM   #9 
  - He conducted the following tests using temperatures appropriate for  mirandapriestly   Jun-13-06 05:58 PM   #16 
  - This is what he says about aluminum  mirandapriestly   Jun-13-06 09:50 PM   #21 
  - I stand corrected.  rman   Jun-14-06 08:03 AM   #26 
     - Well, you had me worried for a second  mirandapriestly   Jun-14-06 09:44 PM   #32 
        - No harm done  rman   Jun-15-06 04:01 AM   #37 
  - Self-delete: redundant. nt  petgoat   Jun-18-06 11:13 AM   #94 
  - Chain of Custody?  MervinFerd   Jun-13-06 07:58 PM   #18 
  - Lots of Sulpher was also found in post 9/11 airpollution.  Dancing_Dave   Jun-13-06 08:51 PM   #20 
  - Sulfur in the smoke is beside the point. The fact is, in  petgoat   Jun-14-06 01:00 AM   #24 
  - What temperatures would you expect to be generated from  mhatrw   Jun-14-06 06:29 PM   #31 
  - Lots of molten steel was created during the cleanup  lightbulb   Jun-15-06 03:36 PM   #43 
  - You must be really desperate to make excuses for the OCT  rman   Jun-16-06 09:01 AM   #53 
  - How does this person know  Codeine   Jun-17-06 08:42 AM   #62 
  - Yes, how does he know it wasn't planted by invisble elves?  dailykoff   Jun-17-06 09:33 AM   #63 
  - Conspiracy theorist?  Codeine   Jun-17-06 09:54 AM   #66 
     - That's what they all say. (n/t)  dailykoff   Jun-17-06 10:11 AM   #70 
     - Thank you for raising an important point.  LARED   Jun-17-06 10:46 AM   #73 
     - "no serious scientist"  mirandapriestly   Jun-18-06 12:50 AM   #83 
  - There are WTC monuments going up all over.  mirandapriestly   Jun-18-06 12:33 AM   #80 
     - Yep, that's Siouxsie  Codeine   Jun-18-06 12:22 PM   #96 
  - Examining Prof. Jones  veeTwin   Jun-17-06 01:05 PM   #77 
  - Hi. I'll read it, but Fintan Dunne at one point  mirandapriestly   Jun-17-06 01:19 PM   #78 
  - Maybe I ought to look more at BFN  mirandapriestly   Jan-09-07 10:15 PM   #156 
  - So, has Dr. Jones given us the results of his analysis yet?...  SidDithers   Jun-20-06 07:56 AM   #106 
  - He's not going to be able to tell much  Dancing_Dave   Jun-23-06 07:08 PM   #147 
  - How exactly does the good Dr know exactly from whence the  vincent_vega_lives   Jan-09-07 02:22 PM   #150 
  - I think Steven Jone's theory is convincing enough  mirandapriestly   Jan-09-07 09:47 PM   #153 
     - I couldn't agree more  Hope2006   Jan-09-07 10:10 PM   #154 
        - Not that it's going to shut me up, lol.eom  mirandapriestly   Jan-09-07 10:13 PM   #155 
           - Gotcha...LOL! n/t  Hope2006   Jan-09-07 10:18 PM   #157 
 

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