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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-19-06 08:12 PM
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96. Why should I?
I've provided you with more than enough evidence to understand that Flight 77 did indeed hit the Pentagon. The radar evidence, the eyewitness accounts, and the debris and victims left at the site are sufficient beyond a reasonable doubt. You've seen the pictures, and you've seen the schematics that show they are part of a 757.

However, a stewardess that normally worked Flight 77 was available to help the recovery:

As it turned out, my friend had not been on Flight 77, having taken the day off work to care for her sick father, and to my relief she had survived. She had lost her entire regular crew, both pilots and all the attendants, including her best friend at work. She was immediately invited in to a series of briefings and grief counseling sessions by both the airline and the Pentagon. These briefings continue to this day. She also attended a long series of memorial events at the gravesites of her co-workers and friends following the event. Her own father died shortly after that in November. I attended his funeral service at National Cemetery and got to meet some of her American Airline co-workers.

When questions arose about Flight 77, I contacted her to raise the issues that concerned me and the speculations of others who denied the plane hit the Pentagon. She was adamant in saying it had, and told me she had been to the crash site and had seen parts of the plane. I asked her about the speculation that the plane would have made a larger hole due to the wingspan. She informed me that the fuel was stored in the wings and that they would have exploded and broken off, as the fuselage slammed through the building walls.

...At the end of her shift on Saturday morning, September 22nd, she was approached along with other attendants to visit the crash site. One declined, but she and two others took a van driven by the Salvation Army to the area. They were forced to wait almost 45 minutes at a safety fence around the area before being admitted into the area of destruction. As they waited, members of a psychological support group talked to them about their feelings. She will never forget what she saw there.

The area was covered with rescue equipment, fire trucks, small carts, and ambulances. They were still hoping to find survivors. Small jeeps with wagons attached were being used to transport workers and others at the site. One flight attendant was driving one of these around the site. Once inside the fence, she was unable to clearly discern where the original wall had been. There was just a gaping hole. She got off the van and walked inside the crash site. The other attendants broke down crying once they were inside. But my friend went in further than the others and kept her emotions in check as she has been trained to do and usually does in emergency situations.

She saw parts of the fuselage of an American Airlines plane, a Boeing 757 plane. She identified the charred wreckage in several ways. She recognized the polished aluminum outer shell, an unpainted silver color that is unique to American Airline planes, and the red and blue trim that is used to decorate the fuselage. She saw parts of the inside of the plane, which she easily identified since she flew and worked in them for years. Upholstery, drapes and carpeting she could identify by both color and design. The soft carpeting and padding of the inner walls had a cloud design and color she recognized from American Airline planes, though it has since been replaced. The blue coloring of drapes and carpet were also specific to the 757 or 767 larger planes, and were not used on the smaller planes. Seating upholstery also matched the AA 757 planes, including the blue color, tan squares and hints of white.

She saw other parts of the plane and engine parts at a distance but they were familiar to her. She did not see any galley supplies, which she would have recognized as well, nor any jump seats. All the parts were charred but colors were still visible. She also saw charred human bones but not any flesh or full body parts.

One area of fuselage had remaining window sections and the shape of the windows, curved squares not ovals, was also distinct to the 757's she had flown. She also saw parts with the A/A logo, including parts of the tail of the plane. Smaller A/A logos and "American" logos are also on the planes and she saw parts of those. One website shows pictures of wreckage inside the building, including sections of the fuselage with bright lime and yellow coloring, which is distinctive to Boeing parts. My friend confirmed this, having visited a Boeing plant where she saw the bright colors on the production line marking the inside of fuselage parts. She did not notice this coloring at the site, but the photos show it in some pieces of the plane.

She spent approximately 15 minutes in the crash area looking at parts of the wreckage, all of which she recognized as coming from a Boeing 757 American Airline plane, the same planes she flew regularly. She did not see any rubber, only metal pieces of fuselage, engine parts and sections of the inside of the plane.

This is beyond questioning. Hundreds of people saw that plane. The forensic evidence is overwhelming. Thousands of DC residents helped in the aftermath, providing support to the workers.

Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon.
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  -In all this hoo-hah about the new Flt 77 Video, Lets not forget this... benburch  May-16-06 10:09 PM   #0 
  - I don't trust witnesses.  onehandle   May-16-06 10:14 PM   #1 
  - i dont doubt the witnesses  LifeDuringWartime   May-16-06 10:18 PM   #2 
  - if a video came out today  sabbat hunter   May-17-06 09:05 AM   #60 
     - No. Would you? nt  petgoat   May-19-06 07:14 PM   #91 
  - Donald Rumsfeld has a piece of the plane in his office on display.  gordianot   May-16-06 10:21 PM   #3 
  - That is a fallacious debating technique.  benburch   May-16-06 10:27 PM   #5 
  - But, but, but, if Rumsfield believes something, it MUST be false....  CAG   May-16-06 10:47 PM   #9 
  - stop it  mrgerbik   May-18-06 11:31 PM   #82 
  - Sorry but you miss my point.  gordianot   May-17-06 09:03 AM   #58 
  - Rumsfailed first reported about the missile that hit the Pentagon...  zulchzulu   May-17-06 12:20 AM   #43 
     - They do not want us to know the truth, it is their operating procedure.  gordianot   May-17-06 09:05 AM   #59 
  - Not really...  Karmakaze   May-16-06 10:22 PM   #4 
  - Feel free to interview the witness.  benburch   May-16-06 10:28 PM   #6 
  - Maybe you'd like to interview the families of the 9/11 passengers  petgoat   May-19-06 07:33 PM   #93 
  - and the guy who SAW the plane was just a Cheney plant who knew  CAG   May-16-06 10:44 PM   #7 
  - DU is riddled with freepers  pocket   May-16-06 10:53 PM   #10 
  - Geez, I'm being called out as a freeper because I don't believe a  CAG   May-16-06 11:01 PM   #15 
  - i don't think 'riddled' is the right word. they're here, though..  MnFats   May-17-06 12:16 AM   #42 
  - Strawman...  Karmakaze   May-16-06 11:00 PM   #14 
     - Did the missing AA flight hit the pentagon?  Mr_Spock   May-16-06 11:10 PM   #18 
     - I have no idea...  Karmakaze   May-17-06 07:14 AM   #51 
        - A quick answer  TheWraith   May-17-06 03:33 PM   #74 
     - There are lots more people who saw the damn plane.  TheWraith   May-16-06 11:22 PM   #24 
        - Get real...  Karmakaze   May-17-06 07:28 AM   #53 
           - So where the fuck is the plane and all its passengers?  alarimer   May-17-06 07:33 AM   #54 
           - Still with the missile?  Karmakaze   May-17-06 07:44 AM   #55 
              - Here is an example of what the service station camera would show..  Karmakaze   May-17-06 08:05 AM   #57 
              - disproving theory  sabbat hunter   May-17-06 09:10 AM   #63 
              - The Scholars for 9/11 Truth have demanded release of  petgoat   May-19-06 07:41 PM   #94 
           - if those videos were released  sabbat hunter   May-17-06 09:09 AM   #62 
           - Funny, cause you guys always love to talk about a missile.  TheWraith   May-17-06 03:08 PM   #70 
  - not too mention that it was "across the river"  bj2110   May-16-06 11:00 PM   #13 
  - Who sees what when an object is traveling 600 ft/sec at ground level?  Old and In the Way   May-16-06 10:46 PM   #8 
  - A 160 foot long jetliner flying at rooftop altitude is rather conspicuous.  TheWraith   May-16-06 11:06 PM   #17 
  - I'm sure you could differentiate between a missle and a 757.  Old and In the Way   May-16-06 11:57 PM   #38 
  - when it lands on grass you get some skid marks  savemefromdumbya   May-18-06 09:30 PM   #77 
  - Keep in mind about the Video footage  Freedom_Aflaim   May-16-06 10:55 PM   #11 
  - But thats part of the plot, you see, to set up the security video with low  CAG   May-16-06 11:05 PM   #16 
  - But the service station camera and the Sheraton camera  petgoat   May-19-06 07:46 PM   #95 
  - Let's not forget there are many other questions about 911  pauldp   May-16-06 10:57 PM   #12 
  - God, not another video...  TheWraith   May-16-06 11:13 PM   #20 
     - Not this one. It is well researched.  pauldp   May-16-06 11:22 PM   #23 
     - On a side note..  mrgerbik   May-18-06 11:39 PM   #83 
     - the same could be said of the official version..  frylock   May-16-06 11:25 PM   #25 
     - ain't that the truth. the official story is ALL about emotional response.  pauldp   May-16-06 11:27 PM   #27 
     - Post proof.  TheWraith   May-16-06 11:30 PM   #29 
        - It was not Bin Laden. It was a bad double.  pauldp   May-16-06 11:36 PM   #32 
        - If by "blasts" you mean "tries and fails to discredit," yeah.  TheWraith   May-17-06 03:27 PM   #73 
           - look at the photo with the lines drawn on it  pauldp   May-18-06 09:56 PM   #80 
           - something??  mrgerbik   May-19-06 12:17 AM   #84 
        - here.  pauldp   May-16-06 11:38 PM   #33 
        - A few highly subjective interpretations from ultra-fuzzy video?  TheWraith   May-17-06 03:20 PM   #72 
           - I'm sorry you can't see  pauldp   May-18-06 09:52 PM   #79 
        - Bin Laden tape 'not genuine'  frylock   May-16-06 11:39 PM   #34 
           - that's not the "confession" tape.  QuestionAll   May-17-06 07:46 AM   #56 
     - Show me the holes.  TheWraith   May-16-06 11:28 PM   #28 
        - Look at the video. Then we can talk.  pauldp   May-16-06 11:32 PM   #31 
        - I don't have an hour and twelve minutes to waste.  TheWraith   May-16-06 11:46 PM   #35 
           - Did you not see my post about Bin Laden above?  pauldp   May-16-06 11:49 PM   #36 
           - must have gone back to work..  frylock   May-17-06 12:25 AM   #44 
           - God forbid I should leave a browser window open without approval. NT.  TheWraith   May-17-06 02:47 PM   #67 
              - I think think you must be posting at  LiberalUprising   May-18-06 11:14 PM   #81 
           - The International Statistical Institute paid for 9/11?  TheWraith   May-17-06 02:54 PM   #69 
              - The Pakistani Inter services Intelligence Agency.  pauldp   May-18-06 09:48 PM   #78 
           - Yes isn't that interesting.  Opening_Day   May-17-06 12:31 AM   #46 
              - first of all I listed 2 items.  pauldp   May-17-06 01:18 AM   #47 
        - let's start with the hijackers..  frylock   May-16-06 11:52 PM   #37 
           - Wow, religious extremists not following their own rules? Alert the media!!  TheWraith   May-17-06 02:50 PM   #68 
     - kind of like bush when he makes a speech?  Bad Penny   May-17-06 05:57 AM   #50 
  - It seems that, no problem capturing planes hitting WTC, however,  Rainscents   May-16-06 11:11 PM   #19 
  - Your message makes no sense.  TheWraith   May-16-06 11:15 PM   #21 
     - What I'm saying... You can NOT miss 757 hitting the building!!!  Rainscents   May-16-06 11:21 PM   #22 
        - Did you read the upthread note about security cameras?  TheWraith   May-16-06 11:27 PM   #26 
           - Then, explain the size of hole??? Huh???  Rainscents   May-16-06 11:31 PM   #30 
              - Answered many times.  benburch   May-17-06 12:00 AM   #39 
              - Wing and Engine are very solid.  Rainscents   May-17-06 12:15 AM   #41 
                 - See, We can damn Bush without needing this not to have happened.  benburch   May-17-06 12:30 AM   #45 
                 - Actually, they're not.  TheWraith   May-17-06 03:14 PM   #71 
              - Well, there's a giant hole in the building, filled with burning metal...  TheWraith   May-17-06 12:05 AM   #40 
  - I know someone who was on site...  DiehardLiberal   May-17-06 01:29 AM   #48 
  - welcome to DU--and thank you for your friend's observations. as you  niyad   May-17-06 02:26 AM   #49 
  - Yes, they thrive on secrecy and uncertainty. Truth is the enemy.  gordianot   May-17-06 09:07 AM   #61 
  - Of course there were body parts  DoYouEverWonder   May-19-06 05:43 PM   #88 
  - He/She might have seen something flying, with wings, and a tail,  paparush   May-17-06 07:18 AM   #52 
  - Nice to know there is still faith in the world.  benburch   May-17-06 10:45 AM   #64 
  - Wow that proves it!  iconoclastNYC   May-17-06 10:47 AM   #65 
  - I "buy" nothing.  benburch   May-17-06 10:58 AM   #66 
     - OK I get it now.  iconoclastNYC   May-17-06 11:46 PM   #75 
        - What is lame about an eyewitness?  benburch   May-18-06 12:13 PM   #76 
           - A better question would be  LiberalUprising   May-19-06 05:00 PM   #85 
  - Sure does keep the talkers talking about things that make no dif  Sinti   May-19-06 05:25 PM   #86 
  - I believe  DoYouEverWonder   May-19-06 05:42 PM   #87 
  - There is enough information to know.  boloboffin   May-19-06 06:19 PM   #89 
     - Please show me  DoYouEverWonder   May-19-06 06:25 PM   #90 
     - Why should I?  boloboffin   May-19-06 08:12 PM   #96 
     - relevant radar data shows Flight 77 during every moment  petgoat   May-19-06 07:18 PM   #92 
        - Oh, did you not see the other thread?  boloboffin   May-19-06 08:16 PM   #97 
  - Plane was an A3 drone  911wasaninsidejob   May-21-06 06:42 AM   #98 

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