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160. Any DUer that thinks it was purely incompetence
should read "the new pearl harbour. It puts things in a logical perspective.

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  -There was no fucking 9/11 conspiracy. Only Bush admin incompetence Proud2BAmurkin  May-16-06 05:07 PM   #0 
  - sorry  matcom   May-16-06 05:08 PM   #1 
  - Buildings fall down.  grytpype   May-16-06 05:09 PM   #2 
  - buildings that weren't hit and weren't on fire just "fall down"?  matcom   May-16-06 05:10 PM   #4 
  - After 2 of the world's largest buildings fall down next door?  darkism   May-16-06 05:12 PM   #14 
  - every engineer who studies building structures disagrees with you  matcom   May-16-06 05:13 PM   #15 
  - Really?  Che_Nuevara   May-16-06 05:21 PM   #28 
  - personally spoken with 2  matcom   May-16-06 05:29 PM   #39 
     - I also have a friend in demolitions....  walldude   May-16-06 05:40 PM   #48 
     - Actually the odds of them "tipping over" is more remote  wtmusic   May-16-06 05:42 PM   #49 
        - True, but we aren't talking about them tipping over are we?  walldude   May-16-06 06:06 PM   #52 
        - Look, the "science" angle won't wash...  wtmusic   May-17-06 01:03 AM   #150 
        - Only the tops would have "tipped over" if at all  Clark2008   May-17-06 06:04 AM   #161 
           - That would be a dynamical absurdity.  benburch   Jun-13-06 10:59 PM   #207 
              - Back away from that Popular Mechanics article.  dailykoff   Jun-13-06 11:13 PM   #208 
              - I'm a physicist and I reached my own conclusions.  benburch   Jun-13-06 11:15 PM   #209 
                 - Don't quit your day job  dailykoff   Jun-13-06 11:17 PM   #210 
                    - Based on what science?  benburch   Jun-13-06 11:19 PM   #211 
                       - It's called structural engineering  dailykoff   Jun-13-06 11:27 PM   #212 
                          - Saw that.  benburch   Jun-13-06 11:29 PM   #213 
                             - Well read the whole section  dailykoff   Jun-13-06 11:34 PM   #214 
                             - "trust me," the motto of the 9/11 Commission. nt  petgoat   Jun-14-06 12:13 AM   #217 
              - A dynamical absurdity? The law of the conservation of angular  petgoat   Jun-14-06 12:10 AM   #216 
                 - You're correct...  SidDithers   Jun-14-06 07:26 AM   #218 
                 - SidDither's reply is correct.  AZCat   Jun-14-06 07:34 AM   #219 
                    - Wrong, but that's a common misconception  dailykoff   Jun-14-06 08:27 AM   #220 
                       - The WTC tower was built to withstand a hurricane.  petgoat   Jun-14-06 11:01 AM   #222 
                       - It doesn't have to do with understanding it.  AZCat   Jun-14-06 09:52 PM   #225 
                          - It's not multibody. The top of the tower tipped as a unit.  petgoat   Jun-14-06 10:59 PM   #227 
                             - I disagree.  AZCat   Jun-15-06 05:29 PM   #231 
                       - How would you classify those...  AZCat   Jun-14-06 09:54 PM   #226 
                          - I'd recommend summer school.  dailykoff   Jun-15-06 11:00 AM   #229 
                             - But wouldn't the structure have deformed under the changed loads?  AZCat   Jun-15-06 05:25 PM   #230 
                                - Probably, but it wouldn't come apart  dailykoff   Jun-16-06 02:57 AM   #234 
     - Really?  Opening_Day   May-17-06 01:23 AM   #153 
        - yup. i do.  matcom   May-17-06 05:07 AM   #159 
           - And your wild imagination.  Opening_Day   May-17-06 11:56 AM   #178 
           - Just on the two Airlines that were involved  dogday   May-17-06 12:08 PM   #180 
  - wrong  rpgamerd00d   May-16-06 05:35 PM   #46 
  - wrong my ass  matcom   May-16-06 05:47 PM   #50 
  - debunked again here:  rpgamerd00d   May-16-06 06:18 PM   #55 
  - Hmmmm An Agenda To "Debunk" Us Conspiracy Theorists?  Southpawkicker   May-16-06 08:36 PM   #96 
  - The dishonest PM "straw man" hit piece was written by a  petgoat   May-16-06 11:17 PM   #120 
  - There is no mention  DIKB   May-17-06 07:49 AM   #172 
  - Oh yeah, the article written by Chertoff's brother-in-law!  Trish1168   May-17-06 04:58 PM   #196 
     - Sorry. The article was written by Chertoff's cousin  Trish1168   May-17-06 05:37 PM   #198 
  - you are wrong  WoodrowFan   May-16-06 06:49 PM   #60 
  - Shhhhh. Do not disturb the tinfoil service now in progress  Veganistan   May-16-06 09:38 PM   #108 
  - It was a conspiracy, whether by Muslims or by our gov't (or both?)  Trish1168   May-17-06 05:40 PM   #199 
     - I believe "tinfoil turban" is the proper terminology.  RUMMYisFROSTED   May-17-06 10:13 PM   #206 
  - "SEVERE damage from falling debris. "  petgoat   May-16-06 11:14 PM   #119 
  - WTC 7 caught fire, burned and collapsed in the same fashion as Towers 1&2  Tin Man   May-17-06 07:37 AM   #168 
     - WTC7's collapse requires that asymmetrical fires and random  petgoat   May-17-06 02:08 PM   #185 
  - Your friend is intelligent, but poorly versed in the subject matter  petgoat   May-16-06 11:12 PM   #116 
  - Thats not what ASCE reported  One_Life_To_Give   May-16-06 06:47 PM   #58 
  - You're wrong. Read the ASCE report. It says fires brought  petgoat   May-16-06 11:24 PM   #123 
  - engineers and physicists have published papers debunking  katinmn   May-16-06 07:52 PM   #77 
  - Really??  LARED   May-17-06 06:45 PM   #204 
  - You Mean Like the Engineers at NIST?  ribofunk   May-17-06 01:10 AM   #151 
  - By some strange coincidence  Big Kahuna   May-16-06 05:25 PM   #34 
  - Bingo.  readmoreoften   May-16-06 07:11 PM   #66 
  - And just weeks before he insured  dogday   May-17-06 12:13 PM   # 
     - he closed the deal  sabbat hunter   May-17-06 05:40 PM   #200 
  - WTC7 wasn't closer to the towers than buildings that are still standing.  readmoreoften   May-16-06 07:07 PM   #64 
  - There are MANY alternative explanations.  bvar22   May-16-06 07:51 PM   #76 
  - yes, and demolition is no worse than any of them  readmoreoften   May-16-06 08:13 PM   #85 
     - the insurance money  sabbat hunter   May-17-06 05:44 PM   #202 
  - And that's why the German insurance company is suing for fraud  EVDebs   May-16-06 11:13 PM   #117 
     - that article is 4 years old  sabbat hunter   May-17-06 05:42 PM   #201 
  - WTC 7 was two buildings away and not hit by a plane. Explain ?  EVDebs   May-16-06 11:11 PM   #115 
     - Caught fire and collapsed just like Towers 1&2  Tin Man   May-17-06 07:44 AM   #170 
        - Correction  Bjarne Riis   May-17-06 10:14 AM   #176 
           - Uncontrolled fires cause buildings to collapse in a symmetrical  petgoat   May-17-06 02:16 PM   #186 
  - building 7 was on fire  sabbat hunter   May-17-06 05:37 PM   #197 
  - Buildings don't fall down. They're built to not fall down. BUT they can be  radwriter0555   May-16-06 11:22 PM   #122 
     - PROVE the building was blown up.  Mr_Spock   May-17-06 12:42 AM   #145 
        - Can't prove it. The wreckage was destroyed in great haste by the  petgoat   May-17-06 02:19 PM   #187 
  - So we find one little thing we don't understand and make it a conspiracy?  Mr_Spock   May-17-06 12:38 AM   #142 
     - Neither FEMA nor NIST mentions earthquake factors in their  petgoat   May-17-06 12:42 AM   #144 
        - Please explain any logical reason why felling a minor building means  Mr_Spock   May-17-06 12:44 AM   #146 
           - It wasn't a minor building. It was a 47 story office building.  petgoat   May-17-06 12:55 AM   #148 
              - Is this significant after the other buildings collapsed?  Mr_Spock   May-17-06 08:10 AM   #174 
                 - why it matters that the building #7 fell.  petgoat   May-17-06 12:20 PM   #182 
                    - Yeah, OK fellow  Mr_Spock   May-17-06 12:36 PM   #183 
                       - Oh your one of those "know nothings". Dr. David Ray Griffin  petgoat   May-17-06 01:11 PM   #184 
                          - "Do you recognize that there's a difference?"  Mr_Spock   May-17-06 04:24 PM   #194 
                          - I have no reason to doubt the veracity of the TV evidence.  petgoat   May-17-06 04:47 PM   #195 
                          - did you see apollo 11 LM land on the moon with your own eyes...  Phx_Dem   May-17-06 06:32 PM   #203 
  - Yeah, I'm Sure They'd Never MIHOP  Dinger   May-16-06 05:10 PM   #3 
  - Yep. nt  onehandle   May-16-06 05:10 PM   #5 
  - What about the neo-cons, PNAC and having to have a reason to  rainy   May-16-06 05:10 PM   #6 
  - Whew. Thank God You Just Put To Rest 5 Years Of Speculation From Millions  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-16-06 05:10 PM   #7 
  - he/she is the next press secretary  matcom   May-16-06 05:11 PM   #10 
  - LMAO!  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   May-16-06 05:14 PM   #17 
     - "Tar-Babies" for EVERYONE!  matcom   May-16-06 05:14 PM   #18 
  - Really! Cause I started  zidzi   May-16-06 08:36 PM   #98 
  - Thank you. More than a few sites have banned talk of 911 conspiracy  applegrove   May-16-06 05:11 PM   #8 
  - and i as a flight crew for one of the airlines involved ..was involved in  flyarm   May-16-06 05:22 PM   #29 
     - Sorry - I think you got me wrong. Of course the public deserves  applegrove   May-16-06 06:01 PM   #51 
     - I DO NOT ..NOT BELIEVE A PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON..BUT...  flyarm   May-16-06 06:10 PM   #53 
     - perhaps this is why  Twist_U_Up   May-16-06 08:25 PM   #90 
     - Damn Fly, Your story needs to get out !!  Twist_U_Up   May-16-06 08:20 PM   #87 
     - Wow, I didn't know this, fly  katinmn   May-16-06 09:16 PM   #103 
     - great post--- who was the commissioner? n/t  orleans   May-16-06 10:28 PM   #113 
        - i wasn't going to say..but  flyarm   May-17-06 12:02 AM   #126 
           - wow...  orleans   May-17-06 12:29 AM   #138 
  - That's the right message. Until anything can be proven that's  jhuth   May-16-06 05:11 PM   #9 
  - Here here!  darkism   May-16-06 05:11 PM   #11 
  - How do you know the planes were piloted by al Qaeda guys?  petgoat   May-16-06 11:59 PM   #125 
  - Not a chance.  BuyingThyme   May-16-06 05:11 PM   #12 
  - not buying...  flyarm   May-16-06 05:11 PM   #13 
  - Ed "Lou Grant" Asner says you might be wrong  wtmusic   May-16-06 05:13 PM   #16 
  - Only that I had dinner with him in 1979  BeatleBoot   May-16-06 05:19 PM   #26 
  - You gonna argue with a 4-time Emmy award winner? Hmm?  wtmusic   May-16-06 05:31 PM   #44 
  - Whoops, bad link! 404  IntravenousDemilo   May-16-06 05:24 PM   #33 
  - wow,  quinnox   May-16-06 05:15 PM   #19 
  - AGREE  featherman   May-16-06 05:15 PM   #20 
  - Questionable ways of buildings going down not necessary to prove that it  OmmmSweetOmmm   May-16-06 05:17 PM   #21 
  - MIHOP...  SnoopDog   May-16-06 05:17 PM   #22 
  - As Richard Clarke said on Bill Maher Last Week  BeatleBoot   May-16-06 05:17 PM   #23 
  - Thank you.  guinivere   May-16-06 07:29 PM   #70 
  - The "conspiracy of thousands" meme is baloney  petgoat   May-17-06 12:11 AM   #129 
  - Yep - apparently there are a few thousand Americans willing to commit  progressoid   May-16-06 08:24 PM   #89 
  - That is the part that bothers me.  Pacifist Patriot   May-16-06 08:50 PM   #101 
  - its not a secret.. or we wouldn't be discussing it!!  Griffy   May-16-06 11:14 PM   #118 
  - Who says they're incompetent?  petgoat   May-17-06 12:06 AM   #128 
  - It's not whether  CJCRANE   May-17-06 01:02 AM   #149 
  - agree 100%  PaDem   May-17-06 07:47 AM   #171 
  - What's to cover up? The air defense was disrupted by six  petgoat   May-17-06 02:23 PM   #188 
  - This 100% number is interesting  Bouvet_Island   May-17-06 09:11 PM   #205 
  - My feeling (for what it's worth) is not that this was a  coalition_unwilling   Jun-15-06 06:45 PM   #233 
  - Thank you  KingFlorez   May-16-06 05:17 PM   #24 
  - Same incompetence that led to Katrina, right?  EOO   May-16-06 05:18 PM   #25 
  - Amazing how that "incompetence" gets them everything they want.  TheGoldenRule   May-17-06 12:17 AM   #134 
     - I was involved with a woman like that, once. Beautiful, smart,  petgoat   May-17-06 12:36 AM   #141 
  - Bull. Explain the Pakistani ISI connection to 911.  pauldp   May-16-06 05:19 PM   #27 
  - Not to mention that 5 or 6 of the hijackers attended....  Media_Lies_Daily   May-16-06 05:34 PM   #45 
  - Isn't there room for both  Johonny   May-16-06 05:22 PM   #30 
  - If it's due to incompetence, then how can they be competent enough  rman   May-17-06 07:08 AM   #165 
  - You are right, but the DU CT folks won't listen to reason  rpgamerd00d   May-16-06 05:23 PM   #31 
  - Have you seen this?  pauldp   May-16-06 05:28 PM   #37 
     - Spamming that video won't magically make it true.  rpgamerd00d   May-16-06 05:29 PM   #40 
     - So what about the ISI connection? n/t  pauldp   May-16-06 05:30 PM   #42 
     - Paid off people fabricating information for the MSM won't make it false  readmoreoften   May-16-06 07:20 PM   #68 
     - Hey, I'm halfway through that right now  katinmn   May-16-06 09:30 PM   #106 
  - Vast Volumes of Dust  wtmusic   May-16-06 05:23 PM   #32 
  - 911research has already been debunked, many times.  rpgamerd00d   May-16-06 05:25 PM   #35 
     - But..but...the dust...there's so much dust...  wtmusic   May-16-06 05:36 PM   #47 
     - Dust 3" thick all over lower Manhattan. All the concrete floors  petgoat   May-17-06 12:15 AM   #132 
        - Tell me why there should be any broken slabs.  wtmusic   May-17-06 12:35 AM   #140 
           - There should be broken slabs because every floor had a  petgoat   May-17-06 12:39 AM   #143 
     - Steel truss roofs fail 20 minutes after fire inception  One_Life_To_Give   May-16-06 07:09 PM   #65 
     - Warehouse roofs are irrelevant. They are not fireproofed. nt  petgoat   May-17-06 12:17 AM   #133 
        - Fireproofing only relates to time  One_Life_To_Give   May-17-06 07:28 AM   #167 
           - Given the great heat-conduction capacity of steel, the  petgoat   May-17-06 12:13 PM   #181 
     - ah, an anonymous expert  rman   May-17-06 04:40 AM   #158 
        - Who offers his expert opinion on works he hasn't read. nt  petgoat   May-17-06 02:24 PM   #189 
  - I agree 100%  William769   May-16-06 05:26 PM   #36 
  - Have you seen this?  pauldp   May-16-06 05:28 PM   #38 
  - Right. The NeoCons have proven how trustworthy they are since 911....  Media_Lies_Daily   May-16-06 05:30 PM   #41 
  - Bullshit! Ever see 'War of the Worlds'?  Balbus   May-16-06 05:31 PM   #43 
  - Hide thread is your friend in times like this.  MrsGrumpy   May-16-06 06:12 PM   #54 
  - OK, let's look at it this way:  Turbineguy   May-16-06 06:39 PM   #56 
  - "The PNAC could have achieved their aims"  pauldp   May-16-06 07:02 PM   #61 
  - PNAC could have achieved their aims in the same way  petgoat   May-17-06 12:21 AM   #135 
  - Agree completely  Terran1212   May-16-06 06:41 PM   #57 
  - THANK YOU!  WoodrowFan   May-16-06 06:48 PM   #59 
  - I agree with that. The speculation sport on DU about this  Jacobin   May-16-06 07:05 PM   #62 
  - What I don't get is  pauldp   May-16-06 07:11 PM   #67 
  - On Afghanistan  Jacobin   May-16-06 08:29 PM   #92 
     - Why would they know it was to benefit the Neo Cons?  pauldp   May-16-06 09:39 PM   #109 
  - A even cursery examination  Turbineguy   May-17-06 11:54 AM   #177 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-16-06 07:07 PM   #63 
  - No, it's not true.  guinivere   May-16-06 07:35 PM   #73 
  - I love that someone wastes their precious time doing this.  BlueEyedSon   May-16-06 07:54 PM   #79 
  - Dude, while you were posting that just now, Hillary Clinton  RandomKoolzip   May-16-06 07:56 PM   #82 
  - You should look into it the way that some people here at DU have  undeterred   May-16-06 07:25 PM   #69 
  - I believe its both. A conspiracy AND incompetence.  Pacifist Patriot   May-16-06 07:31 PM   #71 
  - Are we supposed to just believe your assertion or do you have  IndyOp   May-16-06 07:35 PM   #72 
  - Thanks for sharing your opinion.  MrSlayer   May-16-06 07:37 PM   #74 
  - PNAC's "New Pearl Harbor"... how conveeeeenient!  BlueEyedSon   May-16-06 07:50 PM   #75 
  - Exactly!! The PNAC writes that they need a "new Pearl Harbor"  driver8   May-16-06 08:07 PM   #83 
     - The "falling straight down" is a matter of physics. Falling up would  BlueEyedSon   May-17-06 06:28 AM   #164 
        - Falling straight down is a matter of the simultaneous failure  petgoat   May-17-06 02:26 PM   #190 
  - Then where was NORAD?  Gregorian   May-16-06 07:52 PM   #78 
  - good questions--i've always thought that about bush's stupid  orleans   May-16-06 10:14 PM   #111 
  - I agree, 9/11 was not a conspiracy theory at ALL  Jason9612   May-16-06 07:55 PM   #80 
  - Take The $1,000,000 Challenge, Then Try To Convince Us  corbett   May-16-06 07:56 PM   #81 
  - Awesome the OP is gonna be RICH! /nt  readmoreoften   May-16-06 08:18 PM   #86 
  - There was a fucking 9/11 conspiracy. Bush admin incompetence  Beam Me Up   May-16-06 08:10 PM   #84 
  - They let the asylum door open for a day and you have to go and  Balbus   May-16-06 08:21 PM   #88 
  - are we crazy or are you blind ?  Twist_U_Up   May-16-06 08:32 PM   #93 
  - I think you're bat-shit crazy!  Balbus   May-16-06 08:33 PM   #94 
     - So are these people then  Twist_U_Up   May-16-06 08:40 PM   #100 
        - Tell me what their DU names are and I'll let you know.  Balbus   May-16-06 09:05 PM   #102 
  - Isn't there a special, um, room for 9/11 thingys?  Jacobin   May-16-06 08:34 PM   #95 
     - That's the asylum door I was referring to.  Balbus   May-16-06 08:38 PM   #99 
  - psst  Twist_U_Up   May-16-06 08:27 PM   #91 
  - what are those red lines?  katinmn   May-16-06 09:19 PM   #104 
  - I have trouble with the story, three guys  kster   May-16-06 08:36 PM   #97 
  - YYYYYUPP...  stepnw1f   May-16-06 09:29 PM   #105 
     - no no no --- they think WE are brain dead  orleans   May-16-06 10:24 PM   #112 
  - Disagree completely. Way too many unanswered questions  leesa   May-16-06 09:35 PM   #107 
  - 19 box cutters And the guy who ran the operation lived in a cave  kster   May-16-06 10:08 PM   #110 
  - If you conspire to be incompetent, is it a conspiracy or incompetence?  glitch   May-16-06 10:31 PM   #114 
  - And I believe the US Government about the evils of  spacelady   May-16-06 11:21 PM   #121 
  - Everybody needs to remember to K.I.S.S. off  eridani   May-16-06 11:38 PM   #124 
  - The collapse of the towers was essential.  petgoat   May-17-06 12:30 AM   #139 
     - Plenty was left standing at Pearl Harbor  eridani   May-17-06 06:21 AM   #163 
        - Five battleships were sunk. Plenty was left standing on 9/11,  petgoat   May-17-06 12:01 PM   #179 
  - Isn't there a 9/11 forum where this shit belongs?  Harper_is_Bush   May-17-06 12:02 AM   #127 
  - I'm not a 9-11 buff, but the topic is not "shit".  Yollam   May-17-06 12:29 AM   #137 
  - It's just too bad  Harper_is_Bush   May-17-06 07:53 AM   #173 
  - You act like someone who knows something about....  Media_Lies_Daily   May-17-06 12:53 AM   #147 
     - With pleasure  Harper_is_Bush   May-17-06 07:24 AM   #166 
  - Wow-Denial is a powerful thing!  TheGoldenRule   May-17-06 12:12 AM   #130 
  - We have the most restricted air space in the world.  shance   May-17-06 12:14 AM   #131 
  - There was at the least a massive conspiracy to cover up the incompetence.  Yollam   May-17-06 12:26 AM   #136 
  - One set of data I would like to see from LIHOP/MIHOP people:  dmesg   May-17-06 01:18 AM   #152 
  - I know you mean well but  Beam Me Up   May-17-06 02:32 AM   #154 
  - How is it  LunaC   May-17-06 02:54 AM   #155 
  - It's called not being able to read and act on a memo. The AZ FBI  autorank   May-17-06 02:57 AM   #156 
  - And why would you assume that blocking the Ken Williams  petgoat   May-17-06 02:30 PM   #191 
  - How does incompetence explain not acting on the many warnings  rman   May-17-06 04:31 AM   #157 
  - Any DUer that thinks it was purely incompetence  Tripmann   May-17-06 05:53 AM   #160 
  - The New Pearl Harbor can be read, searched, and downloaded  petgoat   May-17-06 02:33 PM   #192 
  - It is a good day when we get this out in the open again.  Warren Stupidity   May-17-06 06:19 AM   #162 
  - Has anyone noticed that the OP hasn't posted a single thing  Puglover   May-17-06 07:43 AM   #169 
  - Not incompetence. NOT at all.  HughBeaumont   May-17-06 08:18 AM   #175 
  - I have often thought  Debunking911   May-17-06 02:56 PM   #193 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-13-06 11:44 PM   #215 
  - Sept. 10 - Pentagon lost $2.3 trillion - guess where it gets hit on 9/11?  Ezlivin   Jun-14-06 09:21 AM   #221 
     - A vital point, EZ. I'd heard it was the Naval Intelligence  petgoat   Jun-14-06 11:08 AM   #223 
     - Naval Intelligence moved in 1969  mirandapriestly   Jun-15-06 03:35 AM   #228 
        - Naval Intelligence is who Bob Woodward for. Oswald, too. n/t  Americus   Jun-15-06 06:32 PM   #232 
     - I spent a few hours reading about that  mirandapriestly   Jun-14-06 12:28 PM   #224 
 

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