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Thu Apr-27-06 06:25 PM
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| 97. I Believe It Is Because Some People Tie Heroes To Somehow |
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something that supports Bush.
We all know Bush has exploited everything that ever happened and somehow made it seem as if he had some hand in it personally.
But I do believe that the passengers did everything they could to fight back.
I don't believe that they were able to do much due to the fact that either the hijackers crashed the plane themselves (official story) or that the plane was shot down. (my belief) the wreckage was found scattered over a large area, which wouldn't be the case in a plane that was crashed intact into the ground.
I think the fuselage, or part of it was all that was there to hit the ground as the plane had been hit minutes before.
Why? Two scenarios. One, if you are a MIHOP, which I am not, it was shot down to cover the evidence.
More likely, it was shot down so as to show there wasn't total incompetence, but then when people started putting timelines together, they realized that Bush hadn't even given any order, and that Cheney had to have done it which would be illegal.
So there you have my 2 cents worth.
I'm a LIHOP person myself, but I don't think that takes away anyone's bravery on that plane.
It's nice for family members to believe their loved ones were heroes, and they very well could have been trying to fight back.
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| -Why don't some people want to believe in the 'heroes" of Flight 93 |
Beaverhausen |
Apr-27-06 04:22 PM |
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I think that the whole thing against the upcoming movie |
MadHound |
Apr-27-06 04:25 PM |
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You might want to read this review from a LIBERAL publication: |
NYCGirl |
Apr-27-06 04:28 PM |
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Houston Press also gave it a good review but nope, sorry, not going. |
elehhhhna |
Apr-27-06 05:11 PM |
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And the Houston Press review.... |
Bridget Burke |
Apr-27-06 05:14 PM |
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Yes it did, and that fact surprised moi |
elehhhhna |
Apr-27-06 06:04 PM |
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I'm not going either, because I don't think I can deal with it. I was |
NYCGirl |
Apr-27-06 05:16 PM |
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You poor dear! |
Juniperx |
Apr-27-06 07:58 PM |
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My Dad was on a plane from Miami to Charlotte -- in the air -- then |
LostinVA |
Apr-27-06 08:20 PM |
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Wow, just wow |
wicket |
Apr-27-06 08:37 PM |
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I won't watch it for years, but I think it sounds like a remarkable film |
LostinVA |
Apr-27-06 08:18 PM |
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I'll watch it... |
LiberalVoice |
Apr-29-06 05:59 AM |
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I trust Paul Greengrass -- his "Bloody Sunday" was excellent |
LostinVA |
Apr-27-06 08:17 PM |
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Me too – "Bloody Sunday" was terrific |
Hobarticus |
Apr-28-06 02:04 PM |
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What proof? |
LiberalVoice |
Apr-27-06 04:25 PM |
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i love that pic of Dean |
mdmc |
Apr-27-06 04:32 PM |
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Thanks... |
LiberalVoice |
Apr-27-06 04:34 PM |
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lol |
mdmc |
Apr-27-06 04:39 PM |
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Good eye!**nm |
misanthrope |
Apr-27-06 07:35 PM |
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Exactly.... |
Waya |
Apr-27-06 04:38 PM |
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In fact... |
LiberalVoice |
Apr-27-06 04:43 PM |
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Hard to know what to believe, isn't it? |
Skip Intro |
Apr-27-06 04:25 PM |
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Notice that all but one phone call from all the fights that day did not |
FloridaPat |
Apr-27-06 04:25 PM |
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I heard that 35 calls were made from the plane to people they knew |
Beaverhausen |
Apr-27-06 04:28 PM |
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I believe this is a number contributed by the 9/11 commission |
librechik |
Apr-27-06 04:32 PM |
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I hadn't heard the updated number. Will have to look into that. Thanks |
FloridaPat |
Apr-27-06 04:34 PM |
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A cell phone expert told me that in 2001 |
malaise |
Apr-27-06 04:51 PM |
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that's right...so many, many holes in the tragic 9-11 "story" |
katty |
Apr-27-06 05:46 PM |
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Why do some people need to believe that flight even existed? |
slybacon9 |
Apr-27-06 04:27 PM |
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Because some people have brains that are hard wired |
cali |
Apr-27-06 04:31 PM |
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faith-based evidence... |
stillcool47 |
Apr-27-06 04:31 PM |
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Because we have a made for TV government. |
dogman |
Apr-27-06 04:32 PM |
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My thoughts |
johnnie |
Apr-27-06 04:36 PM |
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I like your answer |
Beaverhausen |
Apr-27-06 04:39 PM |
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Here's the thing |
johnnie |
Apr-27-06 04:43 PM |
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I think it will be an anti-Bush backlash |
LostinVA |
Apr-27-06 08:24 PM |
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Agree. It's the disgraceful |
stanwyck |
Apr-27-06 04:54 PM |
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Thanks ... |
etherealtruth |
Apr-27-06 05:03 PM |
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Huh? |
smb |
Apr-28-06 08:19 AM |
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Ok, I looked it up |
johnnie |
Apr-28-06 10:43 AM |
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this is just MY take |
jukes |
Apr-27-06 04:37 PM |
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According to the reviews I've read so far, the "let's roll incident" is |
NYCGirl |
Apr-27-06 04:46 PM |
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i prbly misunderestimated the question |
jukes |
Apr-27-06 04:52 PM |
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and on the tapes I heard , the words were "Roll it..roll it" |
SoCalDem |
Apr-27-06 06:02 PM |
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The crash site is the only federally mandated memorial to 9/11. |
Jara sang |
Apr-27-06 05:17 PM |
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Sure hope a young man my daughter worked with believes in heroes |
havocmom |
Apr-27-06 04:38 PM |
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what a sad story |
renate |
Apr-27-06 04:43 PM |
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Me too. That call center closes its doors for the last time tomorrow |
havocmom |
Apr-27-06 04:48 PM |
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Thanks for that story. |
ronnykmarshall |
Apr-27-06 06:09 PM |
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I don't know that folks don't want to believe. I'd rather just focus on |
lectrobyte |
Apr-27-06 04:41 PM |
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Private Lynch and Pat Tildon were called heroes too... |
Dr Fate |
Apr-27-06 04:43 PM |
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Because there's no plane wreckage in Shanksville in the first place |
michael_1166 |
Apr-27-06 04:46 PM |
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Right. so where do you think the plane is? |
Beaverhausen |
Apr-27-06 04:48 PM |
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This is not about what I think |
michael_1166 |
Apr-27-06 04:52 PM |
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I believe I have seen pieces of it in an overhead shot of a wide area |
Beaverhausen |
Apr-27-06 04:54 PM |
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My theory? |
michael_1166 |
Apr-27-06 05:33 PM |
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Point is the official story doesn't add up |
rman |
Apr-28-06 07:05 AM |
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You beat me to that question. |
ronnykmarshall |
Apr-27-06 06:11 PM |
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Me either... |
LostinVA |
Apr-27-06 08:27 PM |
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Parts scattered hither & yon from a blast from a fighter? |
havocmom |
Apr-27-06 04:49 PM |
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I don't know about that.... |
Jazz2006 |
Apr-28-06 09:27 AM |
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Why? |
Pastiche423 |
Apr-27-06 04:48 PM |
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The Bushies appropriate other people's heroism |
stanwyck |
Apr-27-06 04:52 PM |
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You said it best so far, stanwyck |
elehhhhna |
Apr-27-06 05:14 PM |
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I'm puzzled by how Bush repeatedly said the passengers crashed the plane |
Lisa |
Apr-27-06 04:58 PM |
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I see no useful or good purpose |
mmonk |
Apr-27-06 05:01 PM |
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two bad purposes |
pitohui |
Apr-27-06 06:26 PM |
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my feelings about this |
LifeDuringWartime |
Apr-27-06 05:01 PM |
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Why are the govt's fuckups and the passengers' bravery mutually exclusive? |
NYCGirl |
Apr-27-06 05:05 PM |
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Did you see the guy who reviewed it on KO's show last night? |
Beaverhausen |
Apr-27-06 05:13 PM |
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No, not yet. I have last night's KO on the TiVo though. |
NYCGirl |
Apr-27-06 05:18 PM |
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I heard a RW radio show where they really slammed the film |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-27-06 07:48 PM |
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That's what I keep saying -- Greengrass is very anti-Establishment |
LostinVA |
Apr-27-06 08:30 PM |
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totally not what i was expecting! |
LifeDuringWartime |
Apr-27-06 10:14 PM |
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I Agree With That. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Apr-27-06 05:04 PM |
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Some people want evidence, not just belief |
treestar |
Apr-27-06 05:07 PM |
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Some people won't believe any evidence |
Beaverhausen |
Apr-27-06 05:19 PM |
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No one has ever said that. Most of us would try to do something |
treestar |
Apr-27-06 05:32 PM |
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Sorry, I've read the transcript and I believe what's on it |
LostinVA |
Apr-27-06 08:34 PM |
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Um, Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, Operation Swarmer... |
Canuckistanian |
Apr-27-06 05:09 PM |
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But the administration didn't make this film. NT |
NYCGirl |
Apr-27-06 05:10 PM |
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I bet they had quite a bit of input behind the scenes. |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Apr-27-06 05:15 PM |
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If you've read anything about the writer/director or seen any interviews, |
NYCGirl |
Apr-27-06 05:16 PM |
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I try to never judge a book by its cover. And I've been around.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Apr-27-06 05:22 PM |
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But you're already judging the film. NT |
NYCGirl |
Apr-27-06 05:23 PM |
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Doesn't take much to recognize official NeoCon propaganda. |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Apr-27-06 05:40 PM |
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I guess all those film critics are neocons (including Robert DeNiro, who |
NYCGirl |
Apr-27-06 05:41 PM |
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You're making that statement, not me. Just curious, but who.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Apr-27-06 05:50 PM |
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Read this for background: |
NYCGirl |
Apr-27-06 05:52 PM |
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No, thanks. I don't read fiction. |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Apr-27-06 05:58 PM |
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hmmmmmm? |
ronnykmarshall |
Apr-27-06 06:15 PM |
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Zero -- Greengrass made it with much cooperation from |
LostinVA |
Apr-27-06 08:36 PM |
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I'm sure it's a good film |
Canuckistanian |
Apr-27-06 05:19 PM |
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Information here: |
NYCGirl |
Apr-27-06 05:22 PM |
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Thanks |
Canuckistanian |
Apr-27-06 05:32 PM |
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Excellent article |
Beaverhausen |
Apr-27-06 06:02 PM |
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Greengrass used the facts |
LostinVA |
Apr-27-06 08:39 PM |
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Because what went on there has yet to be discovered for TRUTH! n/t |
KoKo01 |
Apr-27-06 05:09 PM |
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Because "some people" have never bought the official NeoCon... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Apr-27-06 05:12 PM |
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Why don't you think passengers on a plane would try to overtake it? |
Beaverhausen |
Apr-27-06 05:17 PM |
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You do something to attempt to save your own life |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-27-06 05:21 PM |
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I'm stating quite clearly that I don't believe anything the NeoCon... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Apr-27-06 05:37 PM |
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and that whole remake of The Poseidon Adventure! |
ronnykmarshall |
Apr-27-06 06:21 PM |
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has anyone here made a cell phone call at 30,000 feet ??? |
Ragazz68 |
Apr-27-06 10:30 PM |
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I don't have a problem with the passengers, I have a problem with the |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-27-06 05:20 PM |
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Lusitania, Maine, Pearl Harbor, |
mmonk |
Apr-27-06 05:21 PM |
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To me, the fatal flaw in the conspiracy theories |
Turbineguy |
Apr-27-06 05:27 PM |
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I think you're right. That particular set of terrorists botched the |
treestar |
Apr-27-06 05:44 PM |
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"Hundreds of people" would have to have been involved??.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Apr-27-06 05:45 PM |
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To add to your post |
johnnie |
Apr-27-06 05:49 PM |
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Thanks. Additionally, whenever this kind of event takes place..... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Apr-27-06 05:56 PM |
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But yet... |
johnnie |
Apr-27-06 06:04 PM |
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Bingo! Dead on the money! :-) |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Apr-27-06 06:22 PM |
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Why would the military and various govt agencies not be capable of doing |
rman |
Apr-28-06 07:14 AM |
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because George said it |
ktlyon |
Apr-27-06 05:50 PM |
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Why do people believe anything that can't be proven? |
porphyrian |
Apr-27-06 05:59 PM |
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To me, it appears the victims of Flight 93 are being used for propaganda |
Swamp Rat |
Apr-27-06 06:02 PM |
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Watch "Loose Change" n/t |
titoresque |
Apr-27-06 06:05 PM |
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Because I sat on my couch and listened as news scrolled by that it |
MrsGrumpy |
Apr-27-06 06:06 PM |
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why should we believe anything? |
pitohui |
Apr-27-06 06:22 PM |
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I Believe It Is Because Some People Tie Heroes To Somehow |
Southpawkicker |
Apr-27-06 06:25 PM |
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For some unknown reason I do not believe the official story. |
Sapere aude |
Apr-27-06 06:33 PM |
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If any of the heroics actually happened, |
dailykoff |
Apr-27-06 06:50 PM |
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Great irony |
Generator |
Apr-27-06 08:14 PM |
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My rememberance of flight 93 |
Carni |
Apr-27-06 08:26 PM |
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they were 15 minutes away from 3 mile island |
pitohui |
Apr-27-06 09:16 PM |
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they were not THAT far from DC |
WoodrowFan |
Apr-28-06 11:01 AM |
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that's an interesting angle |
Carni |
Apr-28-06 02:00 PM |
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In retrospect, I believe it was headed for WTC7.... |
mikelewis |
Apr-27-06 09:30 PM |
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I think that is very likely. |
mirandapriestly |
Apr-29-06 06:12 AM |
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I WANT to believe in their heroism in spite of any externals, but.... |
Tigress DEM |
Apr-27-06 08:32 PM |
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Because evil people are trying to put those words in your mouth. |
BuyingThyme |
Apr-27-06 08:39 PM |
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the whole film is speculation just like "The Perfect Storm"... |
Ragazz68 |
Apr-27-06 10:23 PM |
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since BushCo has lied about EVERY aspect of 9/11 . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Apr-28-06 02:36 AM |
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If the military shot the plane then the governemnt is covering it up. |
rman |
Apr-28-06 06:59 AM |
#124 |