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9. faith-based evidence...
only works when no one questions it.
Few of us can easily surrender our belief that society must somehow make sense. The thought that the state has lost its mind and is punishing so many innocent people is intolerable. And so the evidence has to be internally denied. Arthur Miller, playwright
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  -Why don't some people want to believe in the 'heroes" of Flight 93 Beaverhausen  Apr-27-06 04:22 PM   #0 
  - I think that the whole thing against the upcoming movie  MadHound   Apr-27-06 04:25 PM   #1 
  - You might want to read this review from a LIBERAL publication:  NYCGirl   Apr-27-06 04:28 PM   #7 
  - Houston Press also gave it a good review but nope, sorry, not going.  elehhhhna   Apr-27-06 05:11 PM   #48 
  - And the Houston Press review....  Bridget Burke   Apr-27-06 05:14 PM   #51 
  - Yes it did, and that fact surprised moi  elehhhhna   Apr-27-06 06:04 PM   #88 
  - I'm not going either, because I don't think I can deal with it. I was  NYCGirl   Apr-27-06 05:16 PM   #54 
     - You poor dear!  Juniperx   Apr-27-06 07:58 PM   #103 
     - My Dad was on a plane from Miami to Charlotte -- in the air -- then  LostinVA   Apr-27-06 08:20 PM   #107 
     - Wow, just wow  wicket   Apr-27-06 08:37 PM   #115 
  - I won't watch it for years, but I think it sounds like a remarkable film  LostinVA   Apr-27-06 08:18 PM   #106 
  - I'll watch it...  LiberalVoice   Apr-29-06 05:59 AM   #133 
  - I trust Paul Greengrass -- his "Bloody Sunday" was excellent  LostinVA   Apr-27-06 08:17 PM   #105 
     - Me too "Bloody Sunday" was terrific  Hobarticus   Apr-28-06 02:04 PM   #132 
  - What proof?  LiberalVoice   Apr-27-06 04:25 PM   #2 
  - i love that pic of Dean  mdmc   Apr-27-06 04:32 PM   #12 
  - Thanks...  LiberalVoice   Apr-27-06 04:34 PM   #13 
     - lol  mdmc   Apr-27-06 04:39 PM   #19 
     - Good eye!**nm  misanthrope   Apr-27-06 07:35 PM   #101 
  - Exactly....  Waya   Apr-27-06 04:38 PM   #18 
     - In fact...  LiberalVoice   Apr-27-06 04:43 PM   #22 
  - Hard to know what to believe, isn't it?  Skip Intro   Apr-27-06 04:25 PM   #3 
  - Notice that all but one phone call from all the fights that day did not  FloridaPat   Apr-27-06 04:25 PM   #4 
  - I heard that 35 calls were made from the plane to people they knew  Beaverhausen   Apr-27-06 04:28 PM   #6 
  - I believe this is a number contributed by the 9/11 commission  librechik   Apr-27-06 04:32 PM   #11 
  - I hadn't heard the updated number. Will have to look into that. Thanks  FloridaPat   Apr-27-06 04:34 PM   #14 
  - A cell phone expert told me that in 2001  malaise   Apr-27-06 04:51 PM   #32 
  - that's right...so many, many holes in the tragic 9-11 "story"  katty   Apr-27-06 05:46 PM   #76 
  - Why do some people need to believe that flight even existed?  slybacon9   Apr-27-06 04:27 PM   #5 
  - Because some people have brains that are hard wired  cali   Apr-27-06 04:31 PM   #8 
  - faith-based evidence...  stillcool47   Apr-27-06 04:31 PM   #9 
  - Because we have a made for TV government.  dogman   Apr-27-06 04:32 PM   #10 
  - My thoughts  johnnie   Apr-27-06 04:36 PM   #15 
  - I like your answer  Beaverhausen   Apr-27-06 04:39 PM   #20 
  - Here's the thing  johnnie   Apr-27-06 04:43 PM   #24 
  - I think it will be an anti-Bush backlash  LostinVA   Apr-27-06 08:24 PM   #108 
  - Agree. It's the disgraceful  stanwyck   Apr-27-06 04:54 PM   #37 
  - Thanks ...  etherealtruth   Apr-27-06 05:03 PM   #41 
  - Huh?  smb   Apr-28-06 08:19 AM   #127 
     - Ok, I looked it up  johnnie   Apr-28-06 10:43 AM   #129 
  - this is just MY take  jukes   Apr-27-06 04:37 PM   #16 
  - According to the reviews I've read so far, the "let's roll incident" is  NYCGirl   Apr-27-06 04:46 PM   #26 
  - i prbly misunderestimated the question  jukes   Apr-27-06 04:52 PM   #35 
  - and on the tapes I heard , the words were "Roll it..roll it"  SoCalDem   Apr-27-06 06:02 PM   #84 
  - The crash site is the only federally mandated memorial to 9/11.  Jara sang   Apr-27-06 05:17 PM   #57 
  - Sure hope a young man my daughter worked with believes in heroes  havocmom   Apr-27-06 04:38 PM   #17 
  - what a sad story  renate   Apr-27-06 04:43 PM   #25 
  - Me too. That call center closes its doors for the last time tomorrow  havocmom   Apr-27-06 04:48 PM   #28 
  - Thanks for that story.  ronnykmarshall   Apr-27-06 06:09 PM   #91 
  - I don't know that folks don't want to believe. I'd rather just focus on  lectrobyte   Apr-27-06 04:41 PM   #21 
  - Private Lynch and Pat Tildon were called heroes too...  Dr Fate   Apr-27-06 04:43 PM   #23 
  - Because there's no plane wreckage in Shanksville in the first place  michael_1166   Apr-27-06 04:46 PM   #27 
  - Right. so where do you think the plane is?  Beaverhausen   Apr-27-06 04:48 PM   #29 
  - This is not about what I think  michael_1166   Apr-27-06 04:52 PM   #34 
  - I believe I have seen pieces of it in an overhead shot of a wide area  Beaverhausen   Apr-27-06 04:54 PM   #36 
     - My theory?  michael_1166   Apr-27-06 05:33 PM   #70 
     - Point is the official story doesn't add up  rman   Apr-28-06 07:05 AM   #125 
  - You beat me to that question.  ronnykmarshall   Apr-27-06 06:11 PM   #92 
  - Me either...  LostinVA   Apr-27-06 08:27 PM   #110 
  - Parts scattered hither & yon from a blast from a fighter?  havocmom   Apr-27-06 04:49 PM   #31 
  - I don't know about that....  Jazz2006   Apr-28-06 09:27 AM   #128 
  - Why?  Pastiche423   Apr-27-06 04:48 PM   #30 
  - The Bushies appropriate other people's heroism  stanwyck   Apr-27-06 04:52 PM   #33 
  - You said it best so far, stanwyck  elehhhhna   Apr-27-06 05:14 PM   #52 
  - I'm puzzled by how Bush repeatedly said the passengers crashed the plane  Lisa   Apr-27-06 04:58 PM   #38 
  - I see no useful or good purpose  mmonk   Apr-27-06 05:01 PM   #39 
  - two bad purposes  pitohui   Apr-27-06 06:26 PM   #98 
  - my feelings about this  LifeDuringWartime   Apr-27-06 05:01 PM   #40 
  - Why are the govt's fuckups and the passengers' bravery mutually exclusive?  NYCGirl   Apr-27-06 05:05 PM   #43 
     - Did you see the guy who reviewed it on KO's show last night?  Beaverhausen   Apr-27-06 05:13 PM   #50 
     - No, not yet. I have last night's KO on the TiVo though.  NYCGirl   Apr-27-06 05:18 PM   #58 
     - I heard a RW radio show where they really slammed the film  riderinthestorm   Apr-27-06 07:48 PM   #102 
        - That's what I keep saying -- Greengrass is very anti-Establishment  LostinVA   Apr-27-06 08:30 PM   #111 
           - totally not what i was expecting!  LifeDuringWartime   Apr-27-06 10:14 PM   #120 
  - I Agree With That.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-27-06 05:04 PM   #42 
  - Some people want evidence, not just belief  treestar   Apr-27-06 05:07 PM   #44 
  - Some people won't believe any evidence  Beaverhausen   Apr-27-06 05:19 PM   #59 
     - No one has ever said that. Most of us would try to do something  treestar   Apr-27-06 05:32 PM   #69 
     - Sorry, I've read the transcript and I believe what's on it  LostinVA   Apr-27-06 08:34 PM   #113 
  - Um, Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, Operation Swarmer...  Canuckistanian   Apr-27-06 05:09 PM   #45 
  - But the administration didn't make this film. NT  NYCGirl   Apr-27-06 05:10 PM   #47 
     - I bet they had quite a bit of input behind the scenes.  Media_Lies_Daily   Apr-27-06 05:15 PM   #53 
     - If you've read anything about the writer/director or seen any interviews,  NYCGirl   Apr-27-06 05:16 PM   #55 
     - I try to never judge a book by its cover. And I've been around....  Media_Lies_Daily   Apr-27-06 05:22 PM   #64 
        - But you're already judging the film. NT  NYCGirl   Apr-27-06 05:23 PM   #66 
           - Doesn't take much to recognize official NeoCon propaganda.  Media_Lies_Daily   Apr-27-06 05:40 PM   #72 
              - I guess all those film critics are neocons (including Robert DeNiro, who  NYCGirl   Apr-27-06 05:41 PM   #73 
                 - You're making that statement, not me. Just curious, but who....  Media_Lies_Daily   Apr-27-06 05:50 PM   #79 
                 - Read this for background:  NYCGirl   Apr-27-06 05:52 PM   #80 
                    - No, thanks. I don't read fiction.  Media_Lies_Daily   Apr-27-06 05:58 PM   #82 
                 - hmmmmmm?  ronnykmarshall   Apr-27-06 06:15 PM   #93 
     - Zero -- Greengrass made it with much cooperation from  LostinVA   Apr-27-06 08:36 PM   #114 
     - I'm sure it's a good film  Canuckistanian   Apr-27-06 05:19 PM   #60 
        - Information here:  NYCGirl   Apr-27-06 05:22 PM   #65 
        - Thanks  Canuckistanian   Apr-27-06 05:32 PM   #68 
        - Excellent article  Beaverhausen   Apr-27-06 06:02 PM   #85 
        - Greengrass used the facts  LostinVA   Apr-27-06 08:39 PM   #117 
  - Because what went on there has yet to be discovered for TRUTH! n/t  KoKo01   Apr-27-06 05:09 PM   #46 
  - Because "some people" have never bought the official NeoCon...  Media_Lies_Daily   Apr-27-06 05:12 PM   #49 
  - Why don't you think passengers on a plane would try to overtake it?  Beaverhausen   Apr-27-06 05:17 PM   #56 
  - You do something to attempt to save your own life  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-27-06 05:21 PM   #62 
  - I'm stating quite clearly that I don't believe anything the NeoCon...  Media_Lies_Daily   Apr-27-06 05:37 PM   #71 
     - and that whole remake of The Poseidon Adventure!  ronnykmarshall   Apr-27-06 06:21 PM   #94 
  - has anyone here made a cell phone call at 30,000 feet ???  Ragazz68   Apr-27-06 10:30 PM   #122 
  - I don't have a problem with the passengers, I have a problem with the  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-27-06 05:20 PM   #61 
  - Lusitania, Maine, Pearl Harbor,  mmonk   Apr-27-06 05:21 PM   #63 
  - To me, the fatal flaw in the conspiracy theories  Turbineguy   Apr-27-06 05:27 PM   #67 
  - I think you're right. That particular set of terrorists botched the  treestar   Apr-27-06 05:44 PM   #74 
  - "Hundreds of people" would have to have been involved??....  Media_Lies_Daily   Apr-27-06 05:45 PM   #75 
  - To add to your post  johnnie   Apr-27-06 05:49 PM   #77 
     - Thanks. Additionally, whenever this kind of event takes place.....  Media_Lies_Daily   Apr-27-06 05:56 PM   #81 
        - But yet...  johnnie   Apr-27-06 06:04 PM   #87 
           - Bingo! Dead on the money! :-)  Media_Lies_Daily   Apr-27-06 06:22 PM   #96 
  - Why would the military and various govt agencies not be capable of doing  rman   Apr-28-06 07:14 AM   #126 
  - because George said it  ktlyon   Apr-27-06 05:50 PM   #78 
  - Why do people believe anything that can't be proven?  porphyrian   Apr-27-06 05:59 PM   #83 
  - To me, it appears the victims of Flight 93 are being used for propaganda  Swamp Rat   Apr-27-06 06:02 PM   #86 
  - Watch "Loose Change" n/t  titoresque   Apr-27-06 06:05 PM   #89 
  - Because I sat on my couch and listened as news scrolled by that it  MrsGrumpy   Apr-27-06 06:06 PM   #90 
  - why should we believe anything?  pitohui   Apr-27-06 06:22 PM   #95 
  - I Believe It Is Because Some People Tie Heroes To Somehow  Southpawkicker   Apr-27-06 06:25 PM   #97 
  - For some unknown reason I do not believe the official story.  Sapere aude   Apr-27-06 06:33 PM   #99 
  - If any of the heroics actually happened,  dailykoff   Apr-27-06 06:50 PM   #100 
  - Great irony  Generator   Apr-27-06 08:14 PM   #104 
  - My rememberance of flight 93  Carni   Apr-27-06 08:26 PM   #109 
  - they were 15 minutes away from 3 mile island  pitohui   Apr-27-06 09:16 PM   #118 
  - they were not THAT far from DC  WoodrowFan   Apr-28-06 11:01 AM   #130 
  - that's an interesting angle  Carni   Apr-28-06 02:00 PM   #131 
  - In retrospect, I believe it was headed for WTC7....  mikelewis   Apr-27-06 09:30 PM   #119 
     - I think that is very likely.  mirandapriestly   Apr-29-06 06:12 AM   #134 
  - I WANT to believe in their heroism in spite of any externals, but....  Tigress DEM   Apr-27-06 08:32 PM   #112 
  - Because evil people are trying to put those words in your mouth.  BuyingThyme   Apr-27-06 08:39 PM   #116 
  - the whole film is speculation just like "The Perfect Storm"...  Ragazz68   Apr-27-06 10:23 PM   #121 
  - since BushCo has lied about EVERY aspect of 9/11 . . .  OneBlueSky   Apr-28-06 02:36 AM   #123 
  - If the military shot the plane then the governemnt is covering it up.  rman   Apr-28-06 06:59 AM   #124 
 

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