You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Reply #61: Lots [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » September 11 Donate to DU
Kevin Fenton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #59
61. Lots
You understand me correctly - better to lose one tower, than both of them and half of Lower Manhattan.

The Clinton administration.

I really doubt the buildings would have collapsed, if it were not for the explosives. However, it appears that the impacts set off some of the explosives (for example, falling elevators caused overpressures and that set them off) and it may not have been possible to determine the extent of the damage caused by this. So, safety first.

(1) NORAD logged a plane hitting the North Tower at 8:48, so they must have known by then. (According to the official account), although they perhaps didn't realise the full gravity of the situation until 9:03. There were five fighters airbourne before 9:30. The two from Otis at 8:52 and the three from Langley at 9:29. (Actually, there might be more they're not telling us about).

(2) They were trying to cover up that:
(a) They had been a bit slow initially; and/or
(b) They shot United 93 down; and/or
(c) The second part of the response seems to have been delayed for some reason.

(3) The Andrews website was changed because it was misleading, embarassingly so. Many people believe that it means they have fighters on alert, but it doesn't and they didn't.

(4) The pilot undoubtedly had the required skill to hit the building, as he accomplished it. However, it wasn't Hani, because, although he had a ticket for the flight:
(a) There is no record in the SABRE system of him checking in;
(b) There is no reported sighting of him at the airport;
(c) He is not present on the surveillance video - the person the 9/11 Commission say is Hani is clearly much taller, fatter, has a beard and a different hairstyle;
(d) His remains were not identified at the Pentagon.

(5) There is some dispute about the timing of "the order still stands", another report (I forget which one) puts it later. It could be an order to shoot down, not shoot down or blow up the WTC. We don't know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
  -Flight 77, the Fake War on Terror, and the Dubai Port Deal Time for change  Feb-27-06 04:27 PM   #0 
  - An exceptional compilation. Nominated.  Just Me   Feb-27-06 04:34 PM   #1 
  - This is the new millenium version of JFK  EOO   Feb-27-06 04:37 PM   #2 
  - That's the big question I have...  KansDem   Feb-27-06 04:43 PM   #4 
  - That part of what happened on 9/11 is the most mind-boggling  EOO   Feb-27-06 04:50 PM   #6 
  - I think that the administration was complicit in the attacks  Time for change   Feb-27-06 06:12 PM   #11 
  - K&R... bookmarked  Canuckistanian   Feb-27-06 04:42 PM   #3 
  - Excellent, as always. Recommended. Bookmarked.  understandinglife   Feb-27-06 04:44 PM   #5 
  - really dumb  Bacchus39   Feb-27-06 04:50 PM   #7 
  - I'll try to address your concerns, but there's no need to call me dumb  Time for change   Feb-27-06 05:36 PM   #10 
  - The video is the biggest question to answer  IronLionZion   Feb-28-06 01:18 PM   #42 
  - your theory still has not accounted for the plane and the passengers.  MrSammo1   Feb-27-06 06:57 PM   #17 
  - so glad you took the time to post...  Psyop Samurai   Feb-27-06 07:22 PM   #22 
  - ...still has not accounted for the plane and the passengers.  MrSammo1   Feb-28-06 01:41 PM   #46 
     - I think you meant this reply to post # 7, right? n/t  Time for change   Feb-28-06 02:06 PM   #47 
        - Well............Duh......on my part.......  MrSammo1   Feb-28-06 02:34 PM   #51 
  - Then why were all the video tapes confiscated.  drdtroit   Feb-28-06 02:19 PM   #49 
  - Neither Has Your Comments - Show Us the Video of Pentagon Crash  we can do it   Mar-01-06 11:25 AM   #60 
  - I'm SO sick of these threads getting locked and moved  RazzleDazzle   Feb-27-06 05:00 PM   #8 
  - That summary has a tremendous amount of information in it - thank you  Time for change   Feb-27-06 06:21 PM   #13 
  - Me Too - I Am Withholding Any Further Donation Until It Ceases  we can do it   Mar-01-06 11:29 AM   #62 
  - Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power  iconoclastNYC   Feb-27-06 05:18 PM   #9 
  - Wow, that's amazing  Time for change   Feb-27-06 07:02 PM   #18 
  - moved... okay... but I can't even recommend posts in here  BelgianMadCow   Feb-27-06 06:12 PM   #12 
  - I had seen some 9/11 posts on GD recently, so I thought it was ok  Time for change   Feb-27-06 08:54 PM   #26 
     - I think the problem may be that scattered within  greyl   Feb-28-06 08:13 AM   #31 
        - Thanks - please tell me what assertions you are referring to n/t  Time for change   Feb-28-06 09:09 AM   #33 
           - The entire middle section.  greyl   Feb-28-06 09:30 AM   #34 
              - Can you be more specific?  Time for change   Feb-28-06 10:46 AM   #36 
                 - Compare your post 35 with the related info from this link:  greyl   Feb-28-06 11:26 AM   #37 
                    - Burden of proof...  EOTE   Feb-28-06 12:40 PM   #38 
                    - Burden of proof indeed.  greyl   Feb-28-06 01:14 PM   #41 
                    - In other words, you're telling me to go find out myself  Time for change   Feb-28-06 01:11 PM   #40 
                       - Suit yourself, I'm easy.  greyl   Feb-28-06 01:32 PM   #45 
                          - I'm sorry that I sounded confrontational about this  Time for change   Feb-28-06 02:16 PM   #48 
                             - Sure, yes that's what I had in mind. :) nt  greyl   Feb-28-06 02:21 PM   #50 
                                - Collapse of the twin towers  Time for change   Mar-02-06 07:57 PM   #68 
                                   - Did you hit "post" before  greyl   Mar-03-06 05:25 PM   #75 
                                      - I don't know what happened  Time for change   Mar-03-06 05:45 PM   #76 
  - Here is an excellent video  sunnystarr   Feb-27-06 06:37 PM   #14 
  - Yes, that is excellent indeed  Time for change   Feb-27-06 08:05 PM   #25 
  - The 9/11 Commission Report is a Whitewash.  reprehensor   Feb-27-06 06:45 PM   #15 
  - It certainly was  Time for change   Feb-27-06 07:09 PM   #20 
  - No more recs...  hootinholler   Feb-27-06 06:46 PM   #16 
  - Thanks for trying  Time for change   Feb-28-06 07:34 AM   #29 
  - There is a logical reason the FAA delayed in contacting NORAD  Jose Diablo   Feb-27-06 07:07 PM   #19 
  - Yes, that's a pretty good explanation  Time for change   Feb-27-06 07:12 PM   #21 
     - I keep going over this stuff.  atomic-fly   Feb-27-06 07:40 PM   #23 
        - Of course they have the MSM to help keep the lid on this  Time for change   Feb-27-06 08:03 PM   #24 
  - Loose Change II Giving Away Plain-Wrapper Copies At Cost!  corbett   Feb-27-06 10:18 PM   #27 
  - Thank you -- I just viewed the video that Sunnystar supplied yesterday  Time for change   Feb-28-06 07:30 AM   #28 
  - No they aren't.  greyl   Feb-28-06 08:07 AM   #30 
  - It's out now, just watch it on Google video for free nt  IronLionZion   Feb-28-06 01:22 PM   #44 
  - Or just watch it for free on Google Video  IronLionZion   Feb-28-06 01:21 PM   #43 
  - Your cavalier disregard for the facts  Kevin Fenton   Feb-28-06 09:07 AM   #32 
  - My response to your criticisms  Time for change   Feb-28-06 10:42 AM   #35 
  - Griffin's method is poor  Kevin Fenton   Feb-28-06 02:36 PM   #52 
  - I prefer the www.911review.com position  MrSammo1   Feb-28-06 03:02 PM   #53 
  - I'd like to get down to the heart of the matter  Time for change   Feb-28-06 03:20 PM   #54 
     - The difference between incompetence and MIHOP  Kevin Fenton   Feb-28-06 04:11 PM   #55 
     - I'd like to see if I understand your position correctly  Time for change   Feb-28-06 05:44 PM   #56 
     - It's like this...  Kevin Fenton   Feb-28-06 11:54 PM   #58 
        - Collapse of the WTC buildings and military response to Flight 77  Time for change   Mar-01-06 09:40 AM   #59 
        - Lots  Kevin Fenton   Mar-01-06 11:27 AM   #61 
           - I'm very skeptical about all this  Time for change   Mar-01-06 12:38 PM   #64 
              - Technical answer  Kevin Fenton   Mar-01-06 01:48 PM   #65 
                 - I see four reasons to favor the theory that the Bush administration had  Time for change   Mar-02-06 07:27 PM   #67 
                    - Unocal, etc.  Kevin Fenton   Mar-03-06 04:09 AM   #69 
                       - They couldn't have gotten near the NYSE  dailykoff   Mar-03-06 04:57 AM   #70 
                       - Map  Kevin Fenton   Mar-03-06 06:02 AM   #71 
                          - 1) Too far, 2) No  dailykoff   Mar-03-06 08:06 AM   #73 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-03-06 05:19 PM   #74 
                          - Afghanistan, Cheney  Kevin Fenton   Mar-04-06 01:51 AM   #77 
                             - Response  Time for change   Mar-04-06 07:39 AM   #78 
        - I like this argument.  Bushwick Bill   Mar-01-06 12:06 PM   #63 
           - Thank you  Kevin Fenton   Mar-01-06 02:23 PM   #66 
     - but that the no-757 argument at the Pentagon is an absolute donkey that do  MrSammo1   Feb-28-06 07:23 PM   #57 
     - This may clear it up some  The Straight Story   Aug-20-06 04:45 PM   #81 
  - About the differences in Manifests  The Straight Story   Aug-20-06 04:39 PM   #80 
  - ah yes, the infamous smoke and water jet covered hole  rman   Mar-03-06 06:29 AM   #72 
  - You know what makes a nice round hole in a building?  IronLionZion   Feb-28-06 01:04 PM   #39 
  - Griffin's book will go down in history as the best account of 9/11  rverne8   Aug-20-06 03:19 PM   #79 
 

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » September 11 Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC