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... satisfy themselves with doubling the actual numbers once, but you actually manage to double them twice. You write: "The Mass of the structure of each #1 and #2 WTC is given at approximately 500000 tons." Well, it might be given on the internet, but the figure is incorrect. You can find the real figure on page 32 of the NIST report (page 82 of the .pdf): "With no warning that could be discerned in WTC 1, WTC 2 collapsed. The shudder as the more than 250,000 tons of steel, conrete and furnishings hit the ground was felt well beyong the site." http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1CollapseofTowers.pdf You then double your ficticious number again without a valid reason. If we take the central impact floors as 96 and 81 and pretend the weight of each floor was equal at 2,270 tons (250,000 tons divided by 110, although actually the upper floors weighed less), then we have 31,780 tons above the central impact floor in WTC 1 and 65,830 tons above the central impact floor in WTC 2. You wrote: "When the aircraft hit each building, they did considerable damage to the load-bearing walls on the exterior of the building," Each tower had 236 perimeter columns. Name one floor where more than 18 were severed. The gravity load was divided more or less equally between the core and the perimeter. The severed columns in the perimeter accounted for 7.6% of WTC 1's gravity load-bearing capacity and 7.1% of WTC 2's gravity load-bearing capacity. Given that the building had a safety factor of at least 3, I wouldn't call that "significant". If you want to claim the asymetric nature of the damage was the killer, then please first have a brief look at how NIST claims the hat truss (one of the 4 main structural elements in the building) redistributed the loads after the impacts. "Their fuel burned along with the contents of the structure (a considerable source of fuel)" Well, that's not quite what NIST says: "The initial jet fuel fires themselves lasted at most a few minutes." (p. 183/233). Care to try again?
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| -Why there were NO BOMBS planted at the WTC. |
benburch |
Feb-22-06 11:08 PM |
#0 |
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Huh? |
cat_girl25 |
Feb-22-06 11:11 PM |
#1 |
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why post this today? Are you worried people will re-examine Bush |
yurbud |
Feb-22-06 11:12 PM |
#2 |
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Because of an agument I had in the Thom Hartmann chat room. |
benburch |
Feb-22-06 11:13 PM |
#3 |
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Well one thing is for sure. |
Wilms |
Feb-22-06 11:15 PM |
#4 |
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I would be incline to say that there were demolition bombs... |
SnoopDog |
Feb-22-06 11:15 PM |
#5 |
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Really! |
longship |
Feb-23-06 02:14 PM |
#248 |
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Chocolate cake is what I prefer... |
SnoopDog |
Feb-23-06 09:05 PM |
#313 |
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Have you listened to the audio tapes from the attack? |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-22-06 11:17 PM |
#6 |
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On that one, I wonder |
upi402 |
Feb-22-06 11:23 PM |
#12 |
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So why did the ground shake around the area? |
FreedomAngel82 |
Feb-22-06 11:36 PM |
#27 |
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Okay, I need to see 'Loose Change' for sure -thanks! |
upi402 |
Feb-22-06 11:57 PM |
#48 |
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watch it right now on Google video |
Kire |
Feb-23-06 12:17 AM |
#77 |
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thank you so much! I love this place in cyberspace! |
upi402 |
Feb-23-06 12:24 AM |
#90 |
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it was NOT |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-23-06 08:25 AM |
#187 |
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The 767 wasn't fully loaded either. It has fuel capacity of |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 02:54 PM |
#264 |
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Do you mean like the Titanic was built to never sink? |
longship |
Feb-23-06 01:07 PM |
#230 |
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They heard explosions. |
greyl |
Feb-22-06 11:27 PM |
#15 |
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And that is exactly what I expect this would sound like. nt |
benburch |
Feb-22-06 11:30 PM |
#19 |
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There is a tome of transcripts from first responders who heard and saw |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Feb-22-06 11:34 PM |
#24 |
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Uhhh, don't forget the millions of witnesses to two planes |
greyl |
Feb-23-06 12:10 AM |
#60 |
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Except the first responders were In the two towers. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Feb-24-06 11:30 AM |
#333 |
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missiles? |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-23-06 08:27 AM |
#188 |
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shoulder fired missles...would be like a pinprick |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 02:51 PM |
#262 |
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ah yes -- the seemingly unlimited supply of kerosene.. |
frylock |
Feb-23-06 05:34 PM |
#300 |
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Invisible missiles, disappearing airliners, |
longship |
Feb-23-06 01:14 PM |
#231 |
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From where in the fuck did the missile claim come? |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 02:43 PM |
#259 |
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Correct, it's called catastrophic structural failure. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 12:30 PM |
#222 |
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They heard catastrophic failures |
longship |
Feb-23-06 01:24 PM |
#235 |
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massive explosions were detonated in the basements |
DemInDistress |
Feb-25-06 03:28 PM |
#346 |
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kinda why I lean toward LIHOP |
upi402 |
Feb-22-06 11:17 PM |
#7 |
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qualifications? |
Goldensilence |
Feb-22-06 11:18 PM |
#8 |
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Okay, name 1 or 2 other high rise buildings that were hit by 757/767 |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 12:16 AM |
#75 |
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The whole (sic) in the Pentagon. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 12:10 PM |
#219 |
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clean collapse -vs- dirty collapse |
bpilgrim |
Feb-22-06 11:19 PM |
#9 |
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the possibility of a controlled demolition |
upi402 |
Feb-22-06 11:28 PM |
#16 |
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CD? |
Kire |
Feb-23-06 12:20 AM |
#84 |
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They where way to many columns |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-22-06 11:20 PM |
#10 |
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High rise buildings aren't like trees or phone poles. |
drm604 |
Feb-22-06 11:47 PM |
#34 |
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I know what they are Im a friggin 20 yr Union Ironworker |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-22-06 11:56 PM |
#46 |
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No offense, but I know a lot of 20+ year ironworkers and don't consider |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 12:13 AM |
#65 |
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No offense taken |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:16 AM |
#76 |
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Someone who's sitting behind a desk looking at numbers |
drm604 |
Feb-23-06 05:52 AM |
#171 |
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But even educated people leave out variables in their calculations. |
stevietheman |
Feb-23-06 09:38 AM |
#194 |
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Thank you nt |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 09:49 AM |
#203 |
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Architects don't study demolition either |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 09:42 AM |
#196 |
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Well, you are totally wrong. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 01:01 PM |
#228 |
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Hi Longship, |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 02:11 PM |
#245 |
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Hehehe |
longship |
Feb-23-06 02:20 PM |
#250 |
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Which building was the world's number one terrorist target before 9/11? |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 02:25 PM |
#253 |
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The WTC. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 02:41 PM |
#258 |
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You have rejected Kevin's thesis without bothering to |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:04 PM |
#266 |
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Sorry Kevin, but that theory doesn't fit either. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 03:18 PM |
#271 |
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This and that |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 04:25 PM |
#288 |
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You're over parsing my words. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 04:50 PM |
#290 |
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Seven again |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-24-06 01:20 AM |
#321 |
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Stand corrected. 47 stories. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 05:20 PM |
#297 |
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You say WTC 7 was uniquely exposed |
petgoat |
Feb-24-06 01:29 PM |
#335 |
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Not a global conspiracy |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 04:12 PM |
#285 |
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Read my posts above. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 05:05 PM |
#294 |
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Your Straw Man is Baloney All Right |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 05:20 PM |
#296 |
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Do NOT put words in my mouth. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 05:42 PM |
#302 |
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Numbers |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-24-06 04:13 AM |
#326 |
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The 200m drop is an approximation, half the structure is |
eyepaddle |
Feb-24-06 09:31 AM |
#328 |
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Thank you for your explanation |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-24-06 10:05 AM |
#330 |
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It's been awhile since I read the OP, |
eyepaddle |
Feb-24-06 10:32 AM |
#331 |
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He says |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-24-06 11:22 AM |
#332 |
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wow, you debunker's howl loudly.. |
DemInDistress |
Feb-25-06 05:01 PM |
#347 |
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These questions have simple answers, every one. nm |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:06 PM |
#268 |
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You cannot know that anyone is completely wrong. |
dchill |
Feb-23-06 05:31 PM |
#298 |
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Two theories. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 07:29 PM |
#307 |
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I'll take Two B. |
dchill |
Feb-23-06 10:26 PM |
#315 |
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ZERO evidence that they were loaded. |
longship |
Feb-24-06 01:57 AM |
#324 |
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Name ONE person who witnessed the preparation of the building |
petgoat |
Feb-24-06 01:59 PM |
#337 |
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Hey, if he's done here... |
dchill |
Feb-24-06 10:46 PM |
#342 |
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Dishonest Framing Yields Dishonest Answers |
petgoat |
Feb-24-06 01:52 PM |
#336 |
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evidently, there were several unscheduled safety drills.. |
frylock |
Feb-23-06 05:54 PM |
#304 |
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straight down is not the quickest path |
TheModernTerrorist |
Feb-23-06 12:18 AM |
#81 |
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It is the ONLY path. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:20 AM |
#83 |
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I have to disagree with that. |
Lerkfish |
Feb-23-06 07:16 AM |
#182 |
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Underneath was mostly air |
ThoughtCriminal |
Feb-23-06 09:23 AM |
#191 |
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right, all I ask |
northzax |
Feb-23-06 11:56 PM |
#316 |
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ok then |
TheModernTerrorist |
Feb-23-06 11:25 AM |
#212 |
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exactly, most in the center with no damage |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:26 AM |
#94 |
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If that's true |
drm604 |
Feb-23-06 05:46 AM |
#170 |
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To answer your toppling question |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:22 AM |
#87 |
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Firemen on a floor that was hit? I never heard that and don't believe it. |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 12:32 AM |
#102 |
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Could you please watch this |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 01:16 AM |
#140 |
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Chief Palmer radioed from 78 (the impact zone) of WTC2. |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:12 PM |
#269 |
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I thought you said you watched Loose Change ? |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 07:49 PM |
#309 |
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selective memory, drawing out the debate |
rman |
Feb-24-06 01:46 AM |
#323 |
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Heat not hot enough? |
longship |
Feb-23-06 12:21 PM |
#220 |
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Even if heat made the floors drop, the core should have held. |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:15 PM |
#270 |
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NO!!! Not true. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 03:59 PM |
#282 |
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'MIHOP making things up.' |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 05:33 PM |
#299 |
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hmmm |
longship |
Feb-23-06 08:19 PM |
#312 |
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There you go again. |
petgoat |
Feb-24-06 04:25 AM |
#327 |
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If thats the case |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 07:53 PM |
#310 |
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Plus, the building is not strong laterally. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 03:04 PM |
#267 |
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Good pic of the shell and core going up |
upi402 |
Feb-23-06 12:15 AM |
#73 |
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Good questions. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 02:34 PM |
#256 |
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The Empire State Bldg was hit by a B-25 which is less than 1/10 the size |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 12:23 AM |
#88 |
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Silverstein owned all 7 buildings |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:30 AM |
#96 |
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Do you have a link to that? I never heard it. |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 12:47 AM |
#116 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-23-06 12:55 AM |
#124 |
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Okay, I read it. Putting the word "fortuitously" in quotes (as I just did |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 01:20 AM |
#142 |
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Marvin Bush |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 01:30 AM |
#143 |
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There where 3 or 4 evacuations also |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 01:32 AM |
#144 |
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If you trace that line of thought, |
beam me up scottie |
Feb-23-06 01:41 AM |
#149 |
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I agree people need to look around more |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 01:45 AM |
#151 |
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I'm done in here. |
beam me up scottie |
Feb-23-06 01:57 AM |
#155 |
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find out where these rumors come from. |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:18 PM |
#272 |
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silverstein |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-23-06 07:02 AM |
#179 |
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no, silverstein leased the buildings |
northzax |
Feb-24-06 12:00 AM |
#317 |
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construction |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-23-06 06:58 AM |
#178 |
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Re: to (sic) many columns |
longship |
Feb-23-06 01:46 PM |
#240 |
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That's not a radical statement at all. |
drm604 |
Feb-22-06 11:23 PM |
#11 |
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Mike Malloy interviews author of "THE NEW PEARL HARBOR" - > mp3 |
bpilgrim |
Feb-22-06 11:26 PM |
#13 |
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I heard that. |
benburch |
Feb-22-06 11:29 PM |
#17 |
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no way a few madmen could pull off all that... |
bpilgrim |
Feb-22-06 11:34 PM |
#25 |
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Thank you! |
benburch |
Feb-22-06 11:27 PM |
#14 |
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there is your problem... |
bpilgrim |
Feb-22-06 11:32 PM |
#22 |
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There was a similar, but much more detailed, analysis done by |
ConsAreLiars |
Feb-22-06 11:30 PM |
#18 |
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Here's the summary in Scientific American |
ConsAreLiars |
Feb-22-06 11:55 PM |
#44 |
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explosives pre-planted in the buildings in the very areas the planes hit |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:54 AM |
#161 |
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radio controlled? |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-23-06 08:31 AM |
#189 |
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When you put your pants on it's left leg first, then right. |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 02:25 PM |
#252 |
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im sorry |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-23-06 02:47 PM |
#260 |
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im sorry too |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:26 PM |
#273 |
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got a laugh |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-23-06 03:39 PM |
#277 |
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Heres some science |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-22-06 11:31 PM |
#20 |
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Bad science. I know that report well. |
benburch |
Feb-22-06 11:32 PM |
#23 |
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answer me this then |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-22-06 11:38 PM |
#29 |
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Samples of steel WERE saved. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:00 AM |
#49 |
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For govt. analysis, noone else, sent the rest to china |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 01:47 AM |
#152 |
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That's just not true. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 01:57 PM |
#243 |
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numerous independant studies of the WTC collapse. |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:28 PM |
#274 |
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NIST steel samples. |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:52 AM |
#160 |
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Uh, because they were experienced in removing debris? |
longship |
Feb-23-06 01:56 PM |
#242 |
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Steel was Saved |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:32 PM |
#275 |
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Google's your friend. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 03:33 PM |
#276 |
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I have been googling it a long time. You're the one making |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 05:35 PM |
#301 |
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bingo he wont provide the stated . never has |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 07:00 PM |
#305 |
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Sorry, but I don't trust this guy, he doesn't even know what thermite IS: |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 12:53 AM |
#122 |
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Good catch. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 09:45 AM |
#197 |
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You just want to play gotcha. Dr. Jones is not a chemist, nor |
petgoat |
Feb-24-06 02:14 PM |
#338 |
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BIG ERROR: 500,000 tons = 453,592,500 KG |
berni_mccoy |
Feb-22-06 11:32 PM |
#21 |
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No. 500,000 tons was EACH TOWER... |
benburch |
Feb-22-06 11:35 PM |
#26 |
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Then you have inconsistent statements |
berni_mccoy |
Feb-22-06 11:45 PM |
#31 |
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NO... |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:05 AM |
#52 |
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You'll have to provide some evidence that the live load of a building |
berni_mccoy |
Feb-23-06 12:21 AM |
#86 |
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Even if true, the result does not change. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:30 AM |
#97 |
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Ok, now you are just plain wrong |
berni_mccoy |
Feb-23-06 12:33 AM |
#103 |
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No, a 100% error would be ZERO. nt |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:39 AM |
#111 |
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Oh, and would comparing it to 250 tons of high explosive be enough... |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:44 AM |
#112 |
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Well now that you bring it up... |
berni_mccoy |
Feb-23-06 01:02 AM |
#131 |
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Good point! |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 01:05 AM |
#135 |
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Doubling something is adding 100% of a value to itself. |
berni_mccoy |
Feb-23-06 12:58 AM |
#128 |
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Depends on which side of the error you look from... |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 01:04 AM |
#133 |
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Weight of one tower = 250,000 tons including everything, |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 04:37 AM |
#169 |
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I used that number in my revised essay. nt |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 09:46 AM |
#199 |
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back peddle quick !! |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 11:06 AM |
#208 |
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500,000 tons in contents |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 11:08 AM |
#209 |
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Hmmm. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Feb-22-06 11:37 PM |
#28 |
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Finally, the voice of reason. |
fiziwig |
Feb-22-06 11:39 PM |
#30 |
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Unfortunately, his math is 100% wrong. |
berni_mccoy |
Feb-22-06 11:48 PM |
#36 |
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Nope. You misread. nt |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:07 AM |
#55 |
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Where do you say anything in your O.P. about doubling the weight |
berni_mccoy |
Feb-23-06 12:30 AM |
#98 |
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pp 7 nt |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:33 AM |
#104 |
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Must have been added after I read the O.P. |
berni_mccoy |
Feb-23-06 12:38 AM |
#109 |
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I had some square brackets in there... |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:52 AM |
#121 |
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you know, Ben, you and I |
northzax |
Feb-22-06 11:45 PM |
#32 |
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We agree on enough. |
benburch |
Feb-22-06 11:46 PM |
#33 |
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The top floors acted like a |
kster |
Feb-22-06 11:48 PM |
#35 |
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This was a force of a magnitude that steel could not withstand. nt |
benburch |
Feb-22-06 11:52 PM |
#39 |
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Not all the beams had the same force on them |
kster |
Feb-23-06 12:25 AM |
#93 |
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Ok... Big fucking deal... |
SnoopDog |
Feb-22-06 11:48 PM |
#37 |
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I'm sorry. Some thoughts, but first a question - |
Skip Intro |
Feb-22-06 11:49 PM |
#38 |
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Exactly. |
Blackthorn |
Feb-22-06 11:53 PM |
#41 |
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I'm not trying to explain the WHY. |
benburch |
Feb-22-06 11:54 PM |
#43 |
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oh - ok. |
Skip Intro |
Feb-22-06 11:56 PM |
#47 |
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That is exactly my take on it |
tatertop |
Feb-23-06 12:04 AM |
#51 |
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I agree....As much as I enjoy the occasional conspiracy theory... |
JohnnyRingo |
Feb-22-06 11:53 PM |
#40 |
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This explanation works fine for the two towers |
eridani |
Feb-22-06 11:54 PM |
#42 |
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I always took it to mean that he wanted to pull the firefighters. |
benburch |
Feb-22-06 11:55 PM |
#45 |
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Why didn't he say that, then? |
eridani |
Feb-23-06 12:14 AM |
#67 |
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And to firefighters. Or so one told me. nt |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:15 AM |
#74 |
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They didn't fight the WTC7 fire. There were no firefighters to pull nm |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:53 PM |
#280 |
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he wanted to pull the firefighters. |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 04:00 AM |
#162 |
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Sorry Ben, but you're math has 100% error in it |
berni_mccoy |
Feb-23-06 12:02 AM |
#50 |
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Nope. You didn't read the text accurately. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:06 AM |
#54 |
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Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and even though you never |
berni_mccoy |
Feb-23-06 12:25 AM |
#91 |
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I didn't double check your math but it looks right. As an aeronautical en |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 12:05 AM |
#53 |
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Have you ever seen Loose Change 1 or 2 ? |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:08 AM |
#57 |
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Thanks! |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:08 AM |
#58 |
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They needed a "Pearl Harbor"type event |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 01:43 AM |
#150 |
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why bother with airplanes? |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:48 PM |
#278 |
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the towers didn't fall . . . they dissolved . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Feb-23-06 12:08 AM |
#56 |
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Yes, actually, they do. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:09 AM |
#59 |
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and what caused the masses of smoldering molton steel . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Feb-23-06 12:25 AM |
#92 |
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Where the hell do you get the idea |
greyl |
Feb-23-06 01:17 AM |
#141 |
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They did not dissolve. |
greyl |
Feb-23-06 12:15 AM |
#72 |
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Must have been Godzilla. nt |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:19 AM |
#82 |
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Molten Steel before the collapse |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:10 AM |
#61 |
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or this one |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:12 AM |
#64 |
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or this one |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:14 AM |
#68 |
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or this one |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:36 AM |
#107 |
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Exactly. |
stevietheman |
Feb-23-06 09:32 AM |
#192 |
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What airliner hit tower 7? |
soothsayer |
Feb-23-06 12:11 AM |
#62 |
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Both of them! Indirectly. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:14 AM |
#69 |
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LOL you amaze me |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 11:04 AM |
#207 |
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Oh goodie another lesson |
libertypirate |
Feb-23-06 12:11 AM |
#63 |
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A delightful fantasia. Why not set it to music. |
dailykoff |
Feb-23-06 12:13 AM |
#66 |
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Why not? |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:14 AM |
#70 |
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A better word would be illusions. |
dailykoff |
Feb-23-06 12:17 AM |
#78 |
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Because you cannot. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:18 AM |
#80 |
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I already have, many times. |
dailykoff |
Feb-23-06 12:21 AM |
#85 |
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Put it in writing. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:23 AM |
#89 |
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For you, I'll repeat myself. |
dailykoff |
Feb-23-06 12:26 AM |
#95 |
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Because you cannot. nt |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:30 AM |
#99 |
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There's no hurry. |
dailykoff |
Feb-23-06 12:49 AM |
#118 |
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Thanks, Lihop yes, Mihop I doubt. |
fearnobush |
Feb-23-06 12:15 AM |
#71 |
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I don't believe that WTC would have survived a loaded 707. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:17 AM |
#79 |
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Plus the 707 scenerio was a "low speed" one. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 12:36 PM |
#224 |
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Tom Eagar said the impact was "Like a bullet hitting a tree" nm |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:50 PM |
#279 |
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i do not believe your 707 facts are correct..please check them out |
flyarm |
Feb-23-06 01:04 AM |
#134 |
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a 767 is about 3 times the size of a 707 |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 04:04 AM |
#163 |
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thats not true..n/t |
flyarm |
Feb-24-06 12:51 AM |
#320 |
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It was a B-25, not a B-29... |
Cooley Hurd |
Feb-23-06 12:34 PM |
#223 |
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not to mention the whole Pentagon thingq |
northzax |
Feb-24-06 12:08 AM |
#318 |
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I don't buy into your math! |
Rainscents |
Feb-23-06 12:30 AM |
#100 |
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The fuel, impact, and burning contents only needed to cause a slump. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:36 AM |
#108 |
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for this to happen |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:50 AM |
#119 |
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just a small deformation |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 04:06 AM |
#165 |
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even with a controlled demolition |
northzax |
Feb-24-06 12:10 AM |
#319 |
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Where'd you work with burning jet fuel? What type? |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 12:45 AM |
#113 |
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Noam Chomsky's opinion; |
upi402 |
Feb-23-06 12:31 AM |
#101 |
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Wise man. nt |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:34 AM |
#105 |
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MIHOP definitely involves a large number of people |
eridani |
Feb-23-06 01:03 AM |
#132 |
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People said the same thing about JFK too |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 01:54 AM |
#153 |
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It would have had to involve a large number of people |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 04:10 AM |
#166 |
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Chomsky has "looked at some of it" |
rman |
Feb-23-06 06:41 AM |
#176 |
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Thank you. |
drm604 |
Feb-23-06 08:15 AM |
#186 |
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He's obviously never seen |
MrSammo1 |
Feb-23-06 01:24 PM |
#234 |
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"...they'd have had to be quite mad to try anything like that." |
dchill |
Feb-23-06 05:00 PM |
#292 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-23-06 12:36 AM |
#106 |
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Right! |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:38 AM |
#110 |
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This post debunks your whole theory |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:46 AM |
#114 |
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Faulty logic. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:50 AM |
#120 |
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This isnt about just air sorry |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 01:06 AM |
#136 |
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Exactly! Whoever wrote that had the simple equations right but did not |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 01:11 AM |
#138 |
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I think they are using an incorrect collapse time. |
greyl |
Feb-23-06 02:46 AM |
#158 |
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Faulty logic? |
Desertrose |
Feb-23-06 01:12 AM |
#139 |
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Pentagon plane; Titanium burning question re; Loose Change |
upi402 |
Feb-23-06 12:47 AM |
#115 |
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it will ignite it just doesnt get close to hot enough |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:48 AM |
#117 |
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a CNC machine tool's rotational surface friction is enough to ignite when |
upi402 |
Feb-23-06 12:57 AM |
#127 |
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Heres a better description |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:58 AM |
#129 |
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is Titanium in that Chinese stuff somewhere |
upi402 |
Feb-23-06 01:01 AM |
#130 |
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I've read a lot of so-called "analyses", but this one is the stupidest one |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 01:36 AM |
#145 |
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Those trusses where not continuous. |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 01:41 AM |
#148 |
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10' drop of several stories of weight would crush the floor below |
upi402 |
Feb-23-06 09:13 PM |
#314 |
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No it doesn't. It assumes that all that heat was confined to one floor |
Harald Ragnarsson |
Feb-25-06 01:58 PM |
#344 |
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Loose Change cont. -Boeing secrecy |
upi402 |
Feb-23-06 12:54 AM |
#123 |
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I appreciate YOUR EFFORT, HOWEVER........ |
hangloose |
Feb-23-06 12:55 AM |
#125 |
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Super Cosmo? |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 01:38 AM |
#146 |
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A handful guys that knew how to steer an airplane |
kster |
Feb-23-06 12:55 AM |
#126 |
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That is a non sequitur and an entirely separate discussion. |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 01:40 AM |
#147 |
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And their mastermind ran it from a cave . |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 01:56 AM |
#154 |
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Loose Change; great point on Ti engines ramming thru Pentagon |
upi402 |
Feb-23-06 01:10 AM |
#137 |
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Don't also forget that ......... |
MrSammo1 |
Feb-23-06 01:20 PM |
#232 |
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If it was CD |
ThoughtCriminal |
Feb-23-06 02:06 AM |
#156 |
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How did they know which floors |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 04:14 AM |
#167 |
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Not likely |
ThoughtCriminal |
Feb-23-06 09:07 AM |
#190 |
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You can actually see |
MrSammo1 |
Feb-23-06 01:22 PM |
#233 |
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"Placement of the charges is a huge undertaking " |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 02:38 PM |
#257 |
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Petgoat have you read this theory ? |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 07:18 PM |
#306 |
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C4 in floor pans |
petgoat |
Feb-24-06 01:18 PM |
#334 |
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the explosions in the basement...... |
MrSammo1 |
Feb-24-06 03:07 AM |
#325 |
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A proper 'clean' CD requires considerable preparation |
rman |
Feb-24-06 09:35 AM |
#329 |
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Most people who claim the WTC fell "naturally"... |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 02:21 AM |
#157 |
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As I said above... |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 06:28 AM |
#174 |
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Your numbers don't check out: |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 07:12 AM |
#180 |
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Are you sure? |
ThoughtCriminal |
Feb-23-06 09:37 AM |
#193 |
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Exactly. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 09:40 AM |
#195 |
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Pretty sure |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 09:48 AM |
#201 |
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Ive seen similar mistake often enough |
ThoughtCriminal |
Feb-23-06 10:01 AM |
#204 |
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NIST or MIT |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 01:53 PM |
#241 |
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Your points |
ThoughtCriminal |
Feb-23-06 04:01 PM |
#284 |
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Sagging, etc. |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 04:51 PM |
#291 |
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Have you tried to contact |
MrSammo1 |
Feb-23-06 01:26 PM |
#236 |
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GOOBLDEEGOOK! WTC 7 was controlled DEMO |
Griffy |
Feb-23-06 03:47 AM |
#159 |
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There is no evidence of this. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 02:08 PM |
#244 |
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Seven |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 02:24 PM |
#251 |
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Structural failure does the same exact thing. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 02:53 PM |
#263 |
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Potential energy is not released explosivly in natural collapse |
rman |
Feb-23-06 04:06 AM |
#164 |
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Don't you dare.......... |
MrSammo1 |
Feb-23-06 01:28 PM |
#237 |
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My two cents - visually, your assertions bear out without question... |
Cooley Hurd |
Feb-23-06 04:27 AM |
#168 |
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No, they don't |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 06:07 AM |
#172 |
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UA 175 hit the southeast corner and ripped thru the east side... |
Cooley Hurd |
Feb-23-06 06:19 AM |
#173 |
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South wall |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 06:34 AM |
#175 |
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Because UA 175 didn't hit the south wall dead-on... |
Cooley Hurd |
Feb-23-06 06:45 AM |
#177 |
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More damage to south side |
Kevin Fenton |
Feb-23-06 07:15 AM |
#181 |
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ya think ? |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 11:15 AM |
#210 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-23-06 07:43 AM |
#183 |
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All yer fancy book lernin don't mean nothin. |
progressoid |
Feb-23-06 07:44 AM |
#184 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-23-06 08:00 AM |
#185 |
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The issue is the rate of fall....the rate was almost free fall.. |
Trish1168 |
Feb-23-06 09:45 AM |
#198 |
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Actually they can fall no other way. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 09:47 AM |
#200 |
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they can fall no other way |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 02:33 PM |
#254 |
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Silly......... |
MrSammo1 |
Feb-23-06 01:32 PM |
#238 |
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One last comment because you refuse to listen |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 09:48 AM |
#202 |
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I did. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 10:06 AM |
#205 |
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Well one more then ALL FACTS W/Sources |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 10:58 AM |
#206 |
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Are you calling me a liar? |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 11:30 AM |
#213 |
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I never called you that |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 11:39 AM |
#214 |
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Yes I am saying that. |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 11:51 AM |
#215 |
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People seem to want to have the WTC packed with |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:03 PM |
#217 |
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Most structural engineers were surprised when the World Trade Center tower |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 03:58 PM |
#281 |
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Did you see what else most structural engineers said (according to NOVA) |
eyepaddle |
Feb-24-06 03:52 PM |
#339 |
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Well, DU is like a fairly large town and even a village has at least one |
karlrschneider |
Feb-23-06 07:54 PM |
#311 |
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some |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-23-06 02:56 PM |
#265 |
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a majority of the jet fuel went into the building. |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 04:00 PM |
#283 |
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I love the scene........ |
MrSammo1 |
Feb-23-06 01:34 PM |
#239 |
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Watch the video... |
fiziwig |
Feb-23-06 11:18 AM |
#211 |
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planted at exactly the floors where the impact took place. |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 04:14 PM |
#286 |
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I cannot comment on the validity of these calculations but one |
truckin |
Feb-23-06 11:58 AM |
#216 |
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BenBurch, thanks for this. |
longship |
Feb-23-06 12:07 PM |
#218 |
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Benburch has been debunked throughly |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:29 PM |
#221 |
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Debunked? |
benburch |
Feb-23-06 12:41 PM |
#225 |
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just scan the threads |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 12:56 PM |
#227 |
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Obvious? |
longship |
Feb-23-06 12:47 PM |
#226 |
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So beyond obvious its silly |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 01:01 PM |
#229 |
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Don't worry too much. |
greyl |
Feb-23-06 02:12 PM |
#247 |
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Your gradiosity is self-discrediting |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 05:44 PM |
#303 |
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I'm MIHOP whats my "Agenda" ? |
Twist_U_Up |
Feb-23-06 07:43 PM |
#308 |
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"...every day it becomes a little more clear..." |
dchill |
Feb-24-06 01:45 AM |
#322 |
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cast of characters would be in the high thousands |
petgoat |
Feb-23-06 04:17 PM |
#287 |
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Why don't you debunk Professor Steven E. Jones' research? |
woody b |
Feb-23-06 02:11 PM |
#246 |
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Again? It's been done. |
greyl |
Feb-23-06 02:17 PM |
#249 |
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OK |
woody b |
Feb-23-06 02:33 PM |
#255 |
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One rebuttal to Jones and a "thermite reactions" explanation |
greyl |
Feb-23-06 02:48 PM |
#261 |
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"damaged building #7 so badly that it later fell." |
dchill |
Feb-23-06 04:37 PM |
#289 |
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there must have been |
MrSammo1 |
Feb-24-06 11:13 PM |
#343 |
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Atomic bomb releases it's energy in a few micro-seconds |
TrueStory |
Feb-23-06 05:04 PM |
#293 |
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Your THEORY is FULL OF HOLES! |
dchill |
Feb-23-06 05:14 PM |
#295 |
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Energy is neither created nor destroyed in a mechanical interaction. |
benburch |
Feb-24-06 09:35 PM |
#340 |
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Your potential is dissipating. |
dchill |
Feb-24-06 10:19 PM |
#341 |
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"Two half-kiloton atom bombs went off in Manhattan on 9/11!" |
dailykoff |
Feb-25-06 02:34 PM |
#345 |