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98. Where do you say anything in your O.P. about doubling the weight
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  -Why there were NO BOMBS planted at the WTC. benburch  Feb-22-06 11:08 PM   #0 
  - Huh?  cat_girl25   Feb-22-06 11:11 PM   #1 
  - why post this today? Are you worried people will re-examine Bush  yurbud   Feb-22-06 11:12 PM   #2 
  - Because of an agument I had in the Thom Hartmann chat room.  benburch   Feb-22-06 11:13 PM   #3 
     - Well one thing is for sure.  Wilms   Feb-22-06 11:15 PM   #4 
  - I would be incline to say that there were demolition bombs...  SnoopDog   Feb-22-06 11:15 PM   #5 
  - Really!  longship   Feb-23-06 02:14 PM   #248 
     - Chocolate cake is what I prefer...  SnoopDog   Feb-23-06 09:05 PM   #313 
  - Have you listened to the audio tapes from the attack?  FreedomAngel82   Feb-22-06 11:17 PM   #6 
  - On that one, I wonder  upi402   Feb-22-06 11:23 PM   #12 
  - So why did the ground shake around the area?  FreedomAngel82   Feb-22-06 11:36 PM   #27 
     - Okay, I need to see 'Loose Change' for sure -thanks!  upi402   Feb-22-06 11:57 PM   #48 
     - watch it right now on Google video  Kire   Feb-23-06 12:17 AM   #77 
        - thank you so much! I love this place in cyberspace!  upi402   Feb-23-06 12:24 AM   #90 
     - it was NOT  sabbat hunter   Feb-23-06 08:25 AM   #187 
     - The 767 wasn't fully loaded either. It has fuel capacity of  petgoat   Feb-23-06 02:54 PM   #264 
     - Do you mean like the Titanic was built to never sink?  longship   Feb-23-06 01:07 PM   #230 
  - They heard explosions.  greyl   Feb-22-06 11:27 PM   #15 
     - And that is exactly what I expect this would sound like. nt  benburch   Feb-22-06 11:30 PM   #19 
     - There is a tome of transcripts from first responders who heard and saw  OmmmSweetOmmm   Feb-22-06 11:34 PM   #24 
     - Uhhh, don't forget the millions of witnesses to two planes  greyl   Feb-23-06 12:10 AM   #60 
     - Except the first responders were In the two towers.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Feb-24-06 11:30 AM   #333 
     - missiles?  sabbat hunter   Feb-23-06 08:27 AM   #188 
     - shoulder fired missles...would be like a pinprick  petgoat   Feb-23-06 02:51 PM   #262 
     - ah yes -- the seemingly unlimited supply of kerosene..  frylock   Feb-23-06 05:34 PM   #300 
     - Invisible missiles, disappearing airliners,  longship   Feb-23-06 01:14 PM   #231 
        - From where in the fuck did the missile claim come?  petgoat   Feb-23-06 02:43 PM   #259 
     - Correct, it's called catastrophic structural failure.  longship   Feb-23-06 12:30 PM   #222 
     - They heard catastrophic failures  longship   Feb-23-06 01:24 PM   #235 
     - massive explosions were detonated in the basements  DemInDistress   Feb-25-06 03:28 PM   #346 
  - kinda why I lean toward LIHOP  upi402   Feb-22-06 11:17 PM   #7 
  - qualifications?  Goldensilence   Feb-22-06 11:18 PM   #8 
  - Okay, name 1 or 2 other high rise buildings that were hit by 757/767  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 12:16 AM   #75 
  - The whole (sic) in the Pentagon.  longship   Feb-23-06 12:10 PM   #219 
  - clean collapse -vs- dirty collapse  bpilgrim   Feb-22-06 11:19 PM   #9 
  - the possibility of a controlled demolition  upi402   Feb-22-06 11:28 PM   #16 
  - CD?  Kire   Feb-23-06 12:20 AM   #84 
  - They where way to many columns  Twist_U_Up   Feb-22-06 11:20 PM   #10 
  - High rise buildings aren't like trees or phone poles.  drm604   Feb-22-06 11:47 PM   #34 
  - I know what they are Im a friggin 20 yr Union Ironworker  Twist_U_Up   Feb-22-06 11:56 PM   #46 
  - No offense, but I know a lot of 20+ year ironworkers and don't consider  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 12:13 AM   #65 
  - No offense taken  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:16 AM   #76 
  - Someone who's sitting behind a desk looking at numbers  drm604   Feb-23-06 05:52 AM   #171 
     - But even educated people leave out variables in their calculations.  stevietheman   Feb-23-06 09:38 AM   #194 
        - Thank you nt  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 09:49 AM   #203 
  - Architects don't study demolition either  benburch   Feb-23-06 09:42 AM   #196 
  - Well, you are totally wrong.  longship   Feb-23-06 01:01 PM   #228 
     - Hi Longship,  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 02:11 PM   #245 
     - Hehehe  longship   Feb-23-06 02:20 PM   #250 
     - Which building was the world's number one terrorist target before 9/11?  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 02:25 PM   #253 
        - The WTC.  longship   Feb-23-06 02:41 PM   #258 
           - You have rejected Kevin's thesis without bothering to  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:04 PM   #266 
           - Sorry Kevin, but that theory doesn't fit either.  longship   Feb-23-06 03:18 PM   #271 
              - This and that  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 04:25 PM   #288 
                 - You're over parsing my words.  longship   Feb-23-06 04:50 PM   #290 
                 - Seven again  Kevin Fenton   Feb-24-06 01:20 AM   #321 
                 - Stand corrected. 47 stories.  longship   Feb-23-06 05:20 PM   #297 
                    - You say WTC 7 was uniquely exposed  petgoat   Feb-24-06 01:29 PM   #335 
           - Not a global conspiracy  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 04:12 PM   #285 
              - Read my posts above.  longship   Feb-23-06 05:05 PM   #294 
                 - Your Straw Man is Baloney All Right  petgoat   Feb-23-06 05:20 PM   #296 
                 - Do NOT put words in my mouth.  longship   Feb-23-06 05:42 PM   #302 
                 - Numbers  Kevin Fenton   Feb-24-06 04:13 AM   #326 
                    - The 200m drop is an approximation, half the structure is  eyepaddle   Feb-24-06 09:31 AM   #328 
                       - Thank you for your explanation  Kevin Fenton   Feb-24-06 10:05 AM   #330 
                          - It's been awhile since I read the OP,  eyepaddle   Feb-24-06 10:32 AM   #331 
                             - He says  Kevin Fenton   Feb-24-06 11:22 AM   #332 
     - wow, you debunker's howl loudly..  DemInDistress   Feb-25-06 05:01 PM   #347 
     - These questions have simple answers, every one. nm  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:06 PM   #268 
     - You cannot know that anyone is completely wrong.  dchill   Feb-23-06 05:31 PM   #298 
     - Two theories.  longship   Feb-23-06 07:29 PM   #307 
        - I'll take Two B.  dchill   Feb-23-06 10:26 PM   #315 
        - ZERO evidence that they were loaded.  longship   Feb-24-06 01:57 AM   #324 
           - Name ONE person who witnessed the preparation of the building  petgoat   Feb-24-06 01:59 PM   #337 
              - Hey, if he's done here...  dchill   Feb-24-06 10:46 PM   #342 
        - Dishonest Framing Yields Dishonest Answers  petgoat   Feb-24-06 01:52 PM   #336 
     - evidently, there were several unscheduled safety drills..  frylock   Feb-23-06 05:54 PM   #304 
  - straight down is not the quickest path  TheModernTerrorist   Feb-23-06 12:18 AM   #81 
  - It is the ONLY path.  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:20 AM   #83 
  - I have to disagree with that.  Lerkfish   Feb-23-06 07:16 AM   #182 
  - Underneath was mostly air  ThoughtCriminal   Feb-23-06 09:23 AM   #191 
     - right, all I ask  northzax   Feb-23-06 11:56 PM   #316 
  - ok then  TheModernTerrorist   Feb-23-06 11:25 AM   #212 
  - exactly, most in the center with no damage  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:26 AM   #94 
  - If that's true  drm604   Feb-23-06 05:46 AM   #170 
  - To answer your toppling question  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:22 AM   #87 
  - Firemen on a floor that was hit? I never heard that and don't believe it.  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 12:32 AM   #102 
  - Could you please watch this  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 01:16 AM   #140 
  - Chief Palmer radioed from 78 (the impact zone) of WTC2.  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:12 PM   #269 
  - I thought you said you watched Loose Change ?  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 07:49 PM   #309 
     - selective memory, drawing out the debate  rman   Feb-24-06 01:46 AM   #323 
  - Heat not hot enough?  longship   Feb-23-06 12:21 PM   #220 
     - Even if heat made the floors drop, the core should have held.  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:15 PM   #270 
        - NO!!! Not true.  longship   Feb-23-06 03:59 PM   #282 
           - 'MIHOP making things up.'  petgoat   Feb-23-06 05:33 PM   #299 
           - hmmm  longship   Feb-23-06 08:19 PM   #312 
              - There you go again.  petgoat   Feb-24-06 04:25 AM   #327 
           - If thats the case  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 07:53 PM   #310 
  - Plus, the building is not strong laterally.  longship   Feb-23-06 03:04 PM   #267 
  - Good pic of the shell and core going up  upi402   Feb-23-06 12:15 AM   #73 
  - Good questions.  longship   Feb-23-06 02:34 PM   #256 
  - The Empire State Bldg was hit by a B-25 which is less than 1/10 the size  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 12:23 AM   #88 
  - Silverstein owned all 7 buildings  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:30 AM   #96 
     - Do you have a link to that? I never heard it.  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 12:47 AM   #116 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-23-06 12:55 AM   #124 
        - Okay, I read it. Putting the word "fortuitously" in quotes (as I just did  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 01:20 AM   #142 
           - Marvin Bush  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 01:30 AM   #143 
           - There where 3 or 4 evacuations also  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 01:32 AM   #144 
           - If you trace that line of thought,  beam me up scottie   Feb-23-06 01:41 AM   #149 
              - I agree people need to look around more  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 01:45 AM   #151 
              - I'm done in here.  beam me up scottie   Feb-23-06 01:57 AM   #155 
              - find out where these rumors come from.  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:18 PM   #272 
     - silverstein  sabbat hunter   Feb-23-06 07:02 AM   #179 
     - no, silverstein leased the buildings  northzax   Feb-24-06 12:00 AM   #317 
  - construction  sabbat hunter   Feb-23-06 06:58 AM   #178 
  - Re: to (sic) many columns  longship   Feb-23-06 01:46 PM   #240 
  - That's not a radical statement at all.  drm604   Feb-22-06 11:23 PM   #11 
  - Mike Malloy interviews author of "THE NEW PEARL HARBOR" - > mp3  bpilgrim   Feb-22-06 11:26 PM   #13 
  - I heard that.  benburch   Feb-22-06 11:29 PM   #17 
     - no way a few madmen could pull off all that...  bpilgrim   Feb-22-06 11:34 PM   #25 
  - Thank you!  benburch   Feb-22-06 11:27 PM   #14 
     - there is your problem...  bpilgrim   Feb-22-06 11:32 PM   #22 
  - There was a similar, but much more detailed, analysis done by  ConsAreLiars   Feb-22-06 11:30 PM   #18 
  - Here's the summary in Scientific American  ConsAreLiars   Feb-22-06 11:55 PM   #44 
  - explosives pre-planted in the buildings in the very areas the planes hit  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:54 AM   #161 
     - radio controlled?  sabbat hunter   Feb-23-06 08:31 AM   #189 
        - When you put your pants on it's left leg first, then right.  petgoat   Feb-23-06 02:25 PM   #252 
           - im sorry  sabbat hunter   Feb-23-06 02:47 PM   #260 
              - im sorry too  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:26 PM   #273 
                 - got a laugh  sabbat hunter   Feb-23-06 03:39 PM   #277 
  - Heres some science  Twist_U_Up   Feb-22-06 11:31 PM   #20 
  - Bad science. I know that report well.  benburch   Feb-22-06 11:32 PM   #23 
  - answer me this then  Twist_U_Up   Feb-22-06 11:38 PM   #29 
     - Samples of steel WERE saved.  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:00 AM   #49 
     - For govt. analysis, noone else, sent the rest to china  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 01:47 AM   #152 
     - That's just not true.  longship   Feb-23-06 01:57 PM   #243 
        - numerous independant studies of the WTC collapse.  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:28 PM   #274 
     - NIST steel samples.  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:52 AM   #160 
     - Uh, because they were experienced in removing debris?  longship   Feb-23-06 01:56 PM   #242 
        - Steel was Saved  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:32 PM   #275 
           - Google's your friend.  longship   Feb-23-06 03:33 PM   #276 
              - I have been googling it a long time. You're the one making  petgoat   Feb-23-06 05:35 PM   #301 
                 - bingo he wont provide the stated . never has  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 07:00 PM   #305 
  - Sorry, but I don't trust this guy, he doesn't even know what thermite IS:  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 12:53 AM   #122 
     - Good catch.  benburch   Feb-23-06 09:45 AM   #197 
     - You just want to play gotcha. Dr. Jones is not a chemist, nor  petgoat   Feb-24-06 02:14 PM   #338 
  - BIG ERROR: 500,000 tons = 453,592,500 KG  berni_mccoy   Feb-22-06 11:32 PM   #21 
  - No. 500,000 tons was EACH TOWER...  benburch   Feb-22-06 11:35 PM   #26 
     - Then you have inconsistent statements  berni_mccoy   Feb-22-06 11:45 PM   #31 
        - NO...  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:05 AM   #52 
           - You'll have to provide some evidence that the live load of a building  berni_mccoy   Feb-23-06 12:21 AM   #86 
              - Even if true, the result does not change.  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:30 AM   #97 
                 - Ok, now you are just plain wrong  berni_mccoy   Feb-23-06 12:33 AM   #103 
                    - No, a 100% error would be ZERO. nt  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:39 AM   #111 
                       - Oh, and would comparing it to 250 tons of high explosive be enough...  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:44 AM   #112 
                       - Well now that you bring it up...  berni_mccoy   Feb-23-06 01:02 AM   #131 
                          - Good point!  benburch   Feb-23-06 01:05 AM   #135 
                       - Doubling something is adding 100% of a value to itself.  berni_mccoy   Feb-23-06 12:58 AM   #128 
                          - Depends on which side of the error you look from...  benburch   Feb-23-06 01:04 AM   #133 
                          - Weight of one tower = 250,000 tons including everything,  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 04:37 AM   #169 
                          - I used that number in my revised essay. nt  benburch   Feb-23-06 09:46 AM   #199 
                             - back peddle quick !!  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 11:06 AM   #208 
                          - 500,000 tons in contents  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 11:08 AM   #209 
  - Hmmm.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Feb-22-06 11:37 PM   #28 
  - Finally, the voice of reason.  fiziwig   Feb-22-06 11:39 PM   #30 
  - Unfortunately, his math is 100% wrong.  berni_mccoy   Feb-22-06 11:48 PM   #36 
     - Nope. You misread. nt  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:07 AM   #55 
        - Where do you say anything in your O.P. about doubling the weight  berni_mccoy   Feb-23-06 12:30 AM   #98 
           - pp 7 nt  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:33 AM   #104 
              - Must have been added after I read the O.P.  berni_mccoy   Feb-23-06 12:38 AM   #109 
                 - I had some square brackets in there...  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:52 AM   #121 
  - you know, Ben, you and I  northzax   Feb-22-06 11:45 PM   #32 
  - We agree on enough.  benburch   Feb-22-06 11:46 PM   #33 
  - The top floors acted like a  kster   Feb-22-06 11:48 PM   #35 
  - This was a force of a magnitude that steel could not withstand. nt  benburch   Feb-22-06 11:52 PM   #39 
     - Not all the beams had the same force on them  kster   Feb-23-06 12:25 AM   #93 
  - Ok... Big fucking deal...  SnoopDog   Feb-22-06 11:48 PM   #37 
  - I'm sorry. Some thoughts, but first a question -  Skip Intro   Feb-22-06 11:49 PM   #38 
  - Exactly.  Blackthorn   Feb-22-06 11:53 PM   #41 
  - I'm not trying to explain the WHY.  benburch   Feb-22-06 11:54 PM   #43 
  - oh - ok.  Skip Intro   Feb-22-06 11:56 PM   #47 
  - That is exactly my take on it  tatertop   Feb-23-06 12:04 AM   #51 
  - I agree....As much as I enjoy the occasional conspiracy theory...  JohnnyRingo   Feb-22-06 11:53 PM   #40 
  - This explanation works fine for the two towers  eridani   Feb-22-06 11:54 PM   #42 
  - I always took it to mean that he wanted to pull the firefighters.  benburch   Feb-22-06 11:55 PM   #45 
     - Why didn't he say that, then?  eridani   Feb-23-06 12:14 AM   #67 
     - And to firefighters. Or so one told me. nt  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:15 AM   #74 
        - They didn't fight the WTC7 fire. There were no firefighters to pull nm  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:53 PM   #280 
     - he wanted to pull the firefighters.  petgoat   Feb-23-06 04:00 AM   #162 
  - Sorry Ben, but you're math has 100% error in it  berni_mccoy   Feb-23-06 12:02 AM   #50 
  - Nope. You didn't read the text accurately.  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:06 AM   #54 
     - Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and even though you never  berni_mccoy   Feb-23-06 12:25 AM   #91 
  - I didn't double check your math but it looks right. As an aeronautical en  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 12:05 AM   #53 
  - Have you ever seen Loose Change 1 or 2 ?  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:08 AM   #57 
  - Thanks!  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:08 AM   #58 
  - They needed a "Pearl Harbor"type event  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 01:43 AM   #150 
  - why bother with airplanes?  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:48 PM   #278 
  - the towers didn't fall . . . they dissolved . . .  OneBlueSky   Feb-23-06 12:08 AM   #56 
  - Yes, actually, they do.  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:09 AM   #59 
  - and what caused the masses of smoldering molton steel . . .  OneBlueSky   Feb-23-06 12:25 AM   #92 
     - Where the hell do you get the idea  greyl   Feb-23-06 01:17 AM   #141 
  - They did not dissolve.  greyl   Feb-23-06 12:15 AM   #72 
     - Must have been Godzilla. nt  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:19 AM   #82 
  - Molten Steel before the collapse  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:10 AM   #61 
  - or this one  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:12 AM   #64 
  - or this one  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:14 AM   #68 
     - or this one  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:36 AM   #107 
  - Exactly.  stevietheman   Feb-23-06 09:32 AM   #192 
  - What airliner hit tower 7?  soothsayer   Feb-23-06 12:11 AM   #62 
  - Both of them! Indirectly.  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:14 AM   #69 
     - LOL you amaze me  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 11:04 AM   #207 
  - Oh goodie another lesson  libertypirate   Feb-23-06 12:11 AM   #63 
  - A delightful fantasia. Why not set it to music.  dailykoff   Feb-23-06 12:13 AM   #66 
  - Why not?  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:14 AM   #70 
     - A better word would be illusions.  dailykoff   Feb-23-06 12:17 AM   #78 
        - Because you cannot.  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:18 AM   #80 
           - I already have, many times.  dailykoff   Feb-23-06 12:21 AM   #85 
              - Put it in writing.  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:23 AM   #89 
                 - For you, I'll repeat myself.  dailykoff   Feb-23-06 12:26 AM   #95 
                    - Because you cannot. nt  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:30 AM   #99 
                       - There's no hurry.  dailykoff   Feb-23-06 12:49 AM   #118 
  - Thanks, Lihop yes, Mihop I doubt.  fearnobush   Feb-23-06 12:15 AM   #71 
  - I don't believe that WTC would have survived a loaded 707.  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:17 AM   #79 
  - Plus the 707 scenerio was a "low speed" one.  longship   Feb-23-06 12:36 PM   #224 
     - Tom Eagar said the impact was "Like a bullet hitting a tree" nm  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:50 PM   #279 
  - i do not believe your 707 facts are correct..please check them out  flyarm   Feb-23-06 01:04 AM   #134 
  - a 767 is about 3 times the size of a 707  petgoat   Feb-23-06 04:04 AM   #163 
  - thats not true..n/t  flyarm   Feb-24-06 12:51 AM   #320 
  - It was a B-25, not a B-29...  Cooley Hurd   Feb-23-06 12:34 PM   #223 
  - not to mention the whole Pentagon thingq  northzax   Feb-24-06 12:08 AM   #318 
  - I don't buy into your math!  Rainscents   Feb-23-06 12:30 AM   #100 
  - The fuel, impact, and burning contents only needed to cause a slump.  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:36 AM   #108 
  - for this to happen  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:50 AM   #119 
  - just a small deformation  petgoat   Feb-23-06 04:06 AM   #165 
     - even with a controlled demolition  northzax   Feb-24-06 12:10 AM   #319 
  - Where'd you work with burning jet fuel? What type?  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 12:45 AM   #113 
  - Noam Chomsky's opinion;  upi402   Feb-23-06 12:31 AM   #101 
  - Wise man. nt  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:34 AM   #105 
  - MIHOP definitely involves a large number of people  eridani   Feb-23-06 01:03 AM   #132 
  - People said the same thing about JFK too  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 01:54 AM   #153 
  - It would have had to involve a large number of people  petgoat   Feb-23-06 04:10 AM   #166 
  - Chomsky has "looked at some of it"  rman   Feb-23-06 06:41 AM   #176 
  - Thank you.  drm604   Feb-23-06 08:15 AM   #186 
  - He's obviously never seen  MrSammo1   Feb-23-06 01:24 PM   #234 
  - "...they'd have had to be quite mad to try anything like that."  dchill   Feb-23-06 05:00 PM   #292 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-23-06 12:36 AM   #106 
  - Right!  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:38 AM   #110 
  - This post debunks your whole theory  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:46 AM   #114 
  - Faulty logic.  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:50 AM   #120 
     - This isnt about just air sorry  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 01:06 AM   #136 
     - Exactly! Whoever wrote that had the simple equations right but did not  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 01:11 AM   #138 
     - I think they are using an incorrect collapse time.  greyl   Feb-23-06 02:46 AM   #158 
     - Faulty logic?  Desertrose   Feb-23-06 01:12 AM   #139 
  - Pentagon plane; Titanium burning question re; Loose Change  upi402   Feb-23-06 12:47 AM   #115 
  - it will ignite it just doesnt get close to hot enough  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:48 AM   #117 
     - a CNC machine tool's rotational surface friction is enough to ignite when  upi402   Feb-23-06 12:57 AM   #127 
        - Heres a better description  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:58 AM   #129 
           - is Titanium in that Chinese stuff somewhere  upi402   Feb-23-06 01:01 AM   #130 
           - I've read a lot of so-called "analyses", but this one is the stupidest one  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 01:36 AM   #145 
              - Those trusses where not continuous.  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 01:41 AM   #148 
              - 10' drop of several stories of weight would crush the floor below  upi402   Feb-23-06 09:13 PM   #314 
              - No it doesn't. It assumes that all that heat was confined to one floor  Harald Ragnarsson   Feb-25-06 01:58 PM   #344 
  - Loose Change cont. -Boeing secrecy  upi402   Feb-23-06 12:54 AM   #123 
  - I appreciate YOUR EFFORT, HOWEVER........  hangloose   Feb-23-06 12:55 AM   #125 
  - Super Cosmo?  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 01:38 AM   #146 
  - A handful guys that knew how to steer an airplane  kster   Feb-23-06 12:55 AM   #126 
  - That is a non sequitur and an entirely separate discussion.  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 01:40 AM   #147 
  - And their mastermind ran it from a cave .  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 01:56 AM   #154 
  - Loose Change; great point on Ti engines ramming thru Pentagon  upi402   Feb-23-06 01:10 AM   #137 
  - Don't also forget that .........  MrSammo1   Feb-23-06 01:20 PM   #232 
  - If it was CD  ThoughtCriminal   Feb-23-06 02:06 AM   #156 
  - How did they know which floors  petgoat   Feb-23-06 04:14 AM   #167 
     - Not likely  ThoughtCriminal   Feb-23-06 09:07 AM   #190 
        - You can actually see  MrSammo1   Feb-23-06 01:22 PM   #233 
        - "Placement of the charges is a huge undertaking "  petgoat   Feb-23-06 02:38 PM   #257 
        - Petgoat have you read this theory ?  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 07:18 PM   #306 
        - C4 in floor pans  petgoat   Feb-24-06 01:18 PM   #334 
        - the explosions in the basement......  MrSammo1   Feb-24-06 03:07 AM   #325 
        - A proper 'clean' CD requires considerable preparation  rman   Feb-24-06 09:35 AM   #329 
  - Most people who claim the WTC fell "naturally"...  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 02:21 AM   #157 
  - As I said above...  benburch   Feb-23-06 06:28 AM   #174 
     - Your numbers don't check out:  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 07:12 AM   #180 
     - Are you sure?  ThoughtCriminal   Feb-23-06 09:37 AM   #193 
        - Exactly.  benburch   Feb-23-06 09:40 AM   #195 
        - Pretty sure  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 09:48 AM   #201 
           - Ive seen similar mistake often enough  ThoughtCriminal   Feb-23-06 10:01 AM   #204 
              - NIST or MIT  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 01:53 PM   #241 
                 - Your points  ThoughtCriminal   Feb-23-06 04:01 PM   #284 
                    - Sagging, etc.  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 04:51 PM   #291 
     - Have you tried to contact  MrSammo1   Feb-23-06 01:26 PM   #236 
  - GOOBLDEEGOOK! WTC 7 was controlled DEMO  Griffy   Feb-23-06 03:47 AM   #159 
  - There is no evidence of this.  longship   Feb-23-06 02:08 PM   #244 
     - Seven  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 02:24 PM   #251 
        - Structural failure does the same exact thing.  longship   Feb-23-06 02:53 PM   #263 
  - Potential energy is not released explosivly in natural collapse  rman   Feb-23-06 04:06 AM   #164 
  - Don't you dare..........  MrSammo1   Feb-23-06 01:28 PM   #237 
  - My two cents - visually, your assertions bear out without question...  Cooley Hurd   Feb-23-06 04:27 AM   #168 
  - No, they don't  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 06:07 AM   #172 
     - UA 175 hit the southeast corner and ripped thru the east side...  Cooley Hurd   Feb-23-06 06:19 AM   #173 
        - South wall  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 06:34 AM   #175 
           - Because UA 175 didn't hit the south wall dead-on...  Cooley Hurd   Feb-23-06 06:45 AM   #177 
              - More damage to south side  Kevin Fenton   Feb-23-06 07:15 AM   #181 
              - ya think ?  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 11:15 AM   #210 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-23-06 07:43 AM   #183 
  - All yer fancy book lernin don't mean nothin.  progressoid   Feb-23-06 07:44 AM   #184 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-23-06 08:00 AM   #185 
  - The issue is the rate of fall....the rate was almost free fall..  Trish1168   Feb-23-06 09:45 AM   #198 
  - Actually they can fall no other way.  benburch   Feb-23-06 09:47 AM   #200 
  - they can fall no other way  petgoat   Feb-23-06 02:33 PM   #254 
  - Silly.........  MrSammo1   Feb-23-06 01:32 PM   #238 
  - One last comment because you refuse to listen  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 09:48 AM   #202 
  - I did.  benburch   Feb-23-06 10:06 AM   #205 
  - Well one more then ALL FACTS W/Sources  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 10:58 AM   #206 
     - Are you calling me a liar?  benburch   Feb-23-06 11:30 AM   #213 
     - I never called you that  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 11:39 AM   #214 
        - Yes I am saying that.  benburch   Feb-23-06 11:51 AM   #215 
           - People seem to want to have the WTC packed with  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:03 PM   #217 
           - Most structural engineers were surprised when the World Trade Center tower  petgoat   Feb-23-06 03:58 PM   #281 
              - Did you see what else most structural engineers said (according to NOVA)  eyepaddle   Feb-24-06 03:52 PM   #339 
           - Well, DU is like a fairly large town and even a village has at least one  karlrschneider   Feb-23-06 07:54 PM   #311 
     - some  sabbat hunter   Feb-23-06 02:56 PM   #265 
        - a majority of the jet fuel went into the building.  petgoat   Feb-23-06 04:00 PM   #283 
  - I love the scene........  MrSammo1   Feb-23-06 01:34 PM   #239 
  - Watch the video...  fiziwig   Feb-23-06 11:18 AM   #211 
  - planted at exactly the floors where the impact took place.  petgoat   Feb-23-06 04:14 PM   #286 
  - I cannot comment on the validity of these calculations but one  truckin   Feb-23-06 11:58 AM   #216 
  - BenBurch, thanks for this.  longship   Feb-23-06 12:07 PM   #218 
  - Benburch has been debunked throughly  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:29 PM   #221 
  - Debunked?  benburch   Feb-23-06 12:41 PM   #225 
  - just scan the threads  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 12:56 PM   #227 
  - Obvious?  longship   Feb-23-06 12:47 PM   #226 
     - So beyond obvious its silly  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 01:01 PM   #229 
     - Don't worry too much.  greyl   Feb-23-06 02:12 PM   #247 
     - Your gradiosity is self-discrediting  petgoat   Feb-23-06 05:44 PM   #303 
     - I'm MIHOP whats my "Agenda" ?  Twist_U_Up   Feb-23-06 07:43 PM   #308 
        - "...every day it becomes a little more clear..."  dchill   Feb-24-06 01:45 AM   #322 
  - cast of characters would be in the high thousands  petgoat   Feb-23-06 04:17 PM   #287 
  - Why don't you debunk Professor Steven E. Jones' research?  woody b   Feb-23-06 02:11 PM   #246 
  - Again? It's been done.  greyl   Feb-23-06 02:17 PM   #249 
     - OK  woody b   Feb-23-06 02:33 PM   #255 
        - One rebuttal to Jones and a "thermite reactions" explanation  greyl   Feb-23-06 02:48 PM   #261 
  - "damaged building #7 so badly that it later fell."  dchill   Feb-23-06 04:37 PM   #289 
  - there must have been  MrSammo1   Feb-24-06 11:13 PM   #343 
  - Atomic bomb releases it's energy in a few micro-seconds  TrueStory   Feb-23-06 05:04 PM   #293 
  - Your THEORY is FULL OF HOLES!  dchill   Feb-23-06 05:14 PM   #295 
  - Energy is neither created nor destroyed in a mechanical interaction.  benburch   Feb-24-06 09:35 PM   #340 
     - Your potential is dissipating.  dchill   Feb-24-06 10:19 PM   #341 
  - "Two half-kiloton atom bombs went off in Manhattan on 9/11!"  dailykoff   Feb-25-06 02:34 PM   #345 
 

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