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Fri Feb-10-06 02:44 PM
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| 87. Sure.....this MIT proffessor believed there was a concrete core. |
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Ahmed F. Ghoniem Professor of Mechanical Engineering Massachusetts Institute of Technology The exterior of each tower was made of a dense lattice of prefabricated steel columns, while the 24m ´ 42m interior core consisted of 48 steel columns fireproofed in concrete.
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Thus, the initial area of damage is estimated to be about 2000 m2, or about half of the floor space of the building between the external lattice and the concrete core, and fuel spillage must have occurred over a fraction of this area.http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/PDFfiles/Chapter%20V%20Fi ... |
| -Wonder Why It’s So Important That Towers Did NOT Have Concrete Cores? |
Christophera |
Feb-03-06 08:16 PM |
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I sure would like to see that 1990 video. |
gbwarming |
Feb-04-06 01:05 AM |
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It Was AIred On PBS Nationally-Somebody Taped It-We Need To Ask |
Christophera |
Feb-04-06 11:06 AM |
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I don't know if this was made in 1990, but here's link to a PBS video: |
satya |
Feb-05-06 12:36 AM |
#44 |
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I Just Noticed Your Post. There's So Much Baseless Denial Trash On This T |
Christophera |
Feb-06-06 12:18 AM |
#55 |
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I wonder how |
LARED |
Feb-04-06 06:27 AM |
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Oh my god, you are being rational |
jeannicot |
Feb-04-06 07:40 AM |
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Sorry, I'll stop immediately (n/t) |
LARED |
Feb-04-06 08:25 AM |
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Tell that to CNN who on 9/12/01 said WTC had a concrete core. |
seatnineb |
Feb-04-06 08:49 AM |
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Yes, it is a dilemma. CNN is always 100% correct |
LARED |
Feb-04-06 09:14 AM |
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This journalist interviewed WTC master Leslie Robertson himself..... |
seatnineb |
Feb-04-06 09:22 AM |
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A few comments |
LARED |
Feb-04-06 09:31 AM |
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I could apply that theory to those who believe in a "steel core". |
seatnineb |
Feb-04-06 10:18 AM |
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You might have a point except |
LARED |
Feb-04-06 11:11 AM |
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New WTC7 has a concrete core but you would not know it from the outside |
seatnineb |
Feb-04-06 12:42 PM |
#31 |
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WTC 7 has a concrete core? |
LARED |
Feb-04-06 12:45 PM |
#32 |
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The new WTC7 has a re-inforced concrete core. |
seatnineb |
Feb-04-06 12:58 PM |
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You mean this |
LARED |
Feb-04-06 01:18 PM |
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Silverstein :" the building will have a concrete core rather than a ..." |
seatnineb |
Feb-04-06 01:44 PM |
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Yes, it does appear that the new WTC 7 has a concrete core |
LARED |
Feb-04-06 01:57 PM |
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And that "Source" was written after 9/11! |
seatnineb |
Feb-04-06 04:16 PM |
#38 |
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Excellent Point: Post 9-11 Structural Statement Must Qualify |
Christophera |
Feb-04-06 04:44 PM |
#40 |
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There Is That Ugly Selectivity Again - Demo Only Pic's That Show Core |
Christophera |
Feb-05-06 02:33 PM |
#50 |
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WONDER? Denial Continues after L. Robertson "a reinforced concrete core" |
Christophera |
Feb-07-06 07:28 PM |
#65 |
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RE: Leslie Robertson |
Make7 |
Feb-08-06 04:11 AM |
#68 |
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Robertson Talks About The Interior Box Columns 30 Years After |
Christophera |
Feb-08-06 01:26 PM |
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He said nothing about your "interior box columns". |
Make7 |
Feb-08-06 11:25 PM |
#71 |
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Interior Box Columns Ring Core Area. ASSOC. W/Service core |
Christophera |
Feb-09-06 12:15 AM |
#72 |
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If an error in evaluation has be made, I believe it has been made by you. |
Make7 |
Feb-09-06 12:46 AM |
#73 |
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Robertson Identifies The Concrete Core Here. You've Seen This Before |
Christophera |
Feb-09-06 01:25 AM |
#74 |
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My objection to your interpretation of that article is still the same. |
Make7 |
Feb-09-06 01:58 AM |
#75 |
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Context Of Article: Concrete Core INFO Came From Leslie Robertson |
Christophera |
Feb-09-06 12:05 PM |
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Your argument is based on adherence to journalistic ethics? |
Make7 |
Feb-09-06 02:35 PM |
#79 |
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At Least My Argument Has A Basis With Evidence Corroborating It. |
Christophera |
Feb-09-06 03:58 PM |
#80 |
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You are correct when you say that Robertson used the word "of". |
Make7 |
Feb-10-06 02:57 AM |
#82 |
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How Can Columns Inside The Core Be Linked To Outside Walls? |
Christophera |
Feb-10-06 10:54 AM |
#86 |
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The Outrigger Space Frame |
Make7 |
Feb-11-06 04:14 AM |
#91 |
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Hat Truss Could Have Existed, But Does Not Prove Steel Core Columns |
Christophera |
Feb-11-06 05:56 PM |
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I was simply answering your question. |
Make7 |
Feb-11-06 09:50 PM |
#101 |
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Trust Statements Early Over Late In The Deception Parade- |
Christophera |
Feb-12-06 01:45 AM |
#102 |
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He sold out? |
LARED |
Feb-12-06 07:12 AM |
#104 |
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Paid Off With Award. No Mention Of Core, Critical Structural Element |
Christophera |
Feb-12-06 10:19 AM |
#106 |
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You may chose to believe that, but it is hardly |
LARED |
Feb-12-06 11:26 AM |
#107 |
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You Must Not Be Looking-Early Statements Okay, Late No, Not W/Robertson |
Christophera |
Feb-13-06 01:06 AM |
#114 |
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How about some sources from the '60's and '70's? |
Make7 |
Feb-12-06 05:34 PM |
#110 |
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Old CONST. Photos Can Be Used To Make A Fake Look More Real, Not Related |
Christophera |
Feb-13-06 12:15 AM |
#113 |
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I don't recall even posting photos in my last reply. |
Make7 |
Feb-13-06 10:58 AM |
#118 |
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Picture Did Not Show Steel Core Columns. We Cannot Confirm Text As Early |
Christophera |
Feb-13-06 02:38 PM |
#120 |
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Confirming Information |
Make7 |
Feb-14-06 06:28 AM |
#127 |
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"viscoelastic dampers" Perhaps Not In Use In The Late 1970's |
Christophera |
Feb-14-06 12:07 PM |
#131 |
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Did you mean the late 1960's? |
Make7 |
Feb-15-06 09:23 AM |
#136 |
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Viscoelastics Probably Not In Towers. Oxford Dictionary Sources |
Christophera |
Feb-15-06 10:46 AM |
#138 |
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Unidentified Flying Sources |
Make7 |
Feb-16-06 09:39 AM |
#149 |
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Since Dumbing Down, Respect For Common Knowledge Getting Scarce |
Christophera |
Feb-16-06 07:22 PM |
#161 |
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What the hell are you even talking about? |
Make7 |
Feb-18-06 01:01 PM |
#169 |
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ah once again |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-12-06 08:32 PM |
#111 |
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No Need For DOC. Demo Photos Have Proof, Learn To Use AVAIL. Evidence |
Christophera |
Feb-13-06 10:38 AM |
#117 |
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no photos during construction |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-16-06 10:20 AM |
#151 |
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So Wrong! There Were Photos But The Core Was Inside Of The Steel Framework |
Christophera |
Feb-16-06 12:20 PM |
#155 |
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thats what you think |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-16-06 12:27 PM |
#156 |
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Repetitive Errors: I Post Proof Of The Concrete Core, Corroborated Dynamic |
Christophera |
Feb-14-06 11:56 PM |
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WONDER, WONDER How Sabbat Can Pretend He Seeks Truth-EVID. & Concrete |
Christophera |
Feb-15-06 04:06 PM |
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again with the |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-16-06 10:31 AM |
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Selective Acceptance Of Evidence-Trust Construction Photos, Not Demo Pic's |
Christophera |
Feb-05-06 01:40 PM |
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The irony of you asking if I know what selectivity means |
LARED |
Feb-05-06 02:45 PM |
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Why, You Never Produce Real Evidence For Me To Select From. |
Christophera |
Feb-05-06 10:39 PM |
#54 |
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Again with the free fall nonsense |
LARED |
Feb-06-06 10:23 AM |
#57 |
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The Major Event Becomes "Nonsense"-Your Images Have No Corroboration |
Christophera |
Feb-06-06 10:27 PM |
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OK then, how 'bout FOX News? |
dchill |
Feb-13-06 10:10 PM |
#121 |
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concrete in WTC |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-16-06 10:23 AM |
#152 |
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Umm...kinda. |
Make7 |
Feb-16-06 01:15 PM |
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Looks like those guys in Oxford saw the same 1990 video! |
seatnineb |
Feb-04-06 08:47 AM |
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LOL |
Jose Diablo |
Feb-04-06 10:37 AM |
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ERRORS: Many Images Exist. Many Know Of Concrete Core-You Confusor |
Christophera |
Feb-04-06 11:12 AM |
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Your words |
LARED |
Feb-04-06 11:21 AM |
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Feign Confusion Intentionally, Maybe Reader Will Be Confused |
Christophera |
Feb-04-06 11:29 AM |
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Feb-04-06 11:53 AM |
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Try Using Evidence And Logic Instead Of Deceptive Manipulation |
Christophera |
Feb-04-06 12:02 PM |
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Many Images Exist??? |
LARED |
Feb-04-06 12:25 PM |
#29 |
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Here Are 2 More-But You Don't Use Information, So You Won't See The Core |
Christophera |
Feb-04-06 03:48 PM |
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So you have no images showing a concrete core? |
LARED |
Feb-04-06 04:36 PM |
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Like I Said. You Do Not Use Information That Helps Explain Free Fall-Photo |
Christophera |
Feb-04-06 04:48 PM |
#41 |
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Stop trying to blame me for your inability to provide an image |
LARED |
Feb-04-06 06:26 PM |
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Here Is An Image That Can Only Be A Concrete Core-Oh, You Don't Use Eviden |
Christophera |
Feb-04-06 10:51 PM |
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Good Lord, it's a simple request. |
LARED |
Feb-05-06 04:52 AM |
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You Prove You Will Not Use Evidence By Not Accepting Good Evidence. |
Christophera |
Feb-05-06 12:27 PM |
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That does not qualify as evidence for a concrete core |
LARED |
Feb-05-06 09:19 PM |
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It Is The Core, And You Haven't Explained Why The Core Columns R Not Seen |
Christophera |
Feb-05-06 10:35 PM |
#53 |
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Clearly You Pretend To Be Interested In The Truth - Images Corroborated |
Christophera |
Feb-07-06 09:28 PM |
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EUREKA! The Most Convoluted Distortion Intended To Confuse. Check It Out |
Christophera |
Feb-07-06 11:51 PM |
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You've tried, others have tried and I've tried. |
ryan_cats |
Feb-10-06 09:36 AM |
#83 |
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Proper Investigation Requires Structural Knowledge-Meaning You Sabotage |
Christophera |
Feb-10-06 06:27 PM |
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Leslie Robertson thinks bombs in the WTC is a "crazy thought!" |
seatnineb |
Feb-11-06 01:54 PM |
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Christophera can you answer this? |
HamdenRice |
Feb-04-06 08:32 AM |
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This carpenter who worked in the WTC believed it had a concrete core. |
seatnineb |
Feb-04-06 08:41 AM |
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So what's the point? nt |
HamdenRice |
Feb-04-06 09:55 AM |
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Why is it that before and on 9/11 many believed WTC had concrete cores |
seatnineb |
Feb-04-06 10:21 AM |
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Can't you concrete core people answer a question with a declaration??????? |
HamdenRice |
Feb-04-06 10:54 AM |
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You already know the fuckin' answer. |
seatnineb |
Feb-04-06 12:27 PM |
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The official story is bull because ... |
HamdenRice |
Feb-06-06 08:34 AM |
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There is more chance of there being a concrete core than Pakistan...... |
seatnineb |
Feb-06-06 10:30 AM |
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Now I know you are either ... |
HamdenRice |
Feb-06-06 10:50 AM |
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I am on your side. |
seatnineb |
Feb-06-06 11:30 AM |
#61 |
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Unreasonable Denial Frustrating, Cussing Normal, Concrete Core Existed |
Christophera |
Feb-06-06 12:12 PM |
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official story has it the towers had 110 floors - therefore... |
rman |
Feb-09-06 04:55 AM |
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...the towers had 110 floors! |
seatnineb |
Feb-10-06 02:47 PM |
#88 |
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every pre 9-11 source i've seen says steel core |
rman |
Feb-11-06 04:43 AM |
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Do they explicitly say a steel "only " core....or do they just imply it? |
seatnineb |
Feb-11-06 07:11 AM |
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drywall etc |
rman |
Feb-12-06 05:01 AM |
#103 |
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Carpenter who installed drywall in WTC says WTC had concrete core! |
seatnineb |
Feb-12-06 09:44 AM |
#105 |
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Your source is a post on a forum? |
rman |
Feb-12-06 12:08 PM |
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His name is :Gregory A. Butler.........a local 608 carpenter. |
seatnineb |
Feb-12-06 01:32 PM |
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Every media report on the towers |
rman |
Feb-13-06 03:13 AM |
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The only cover up is post - 9/11. |
seatnineb |
Feb-13-06 12:12 PM |
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nor does it prove it had a concrete core |
rman |
Feb-14-06 04:28 AM |
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Sure......but something in that building had to support the dead load..... |
seatnineb |
Feb-14-06 10:55 AM |
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that's post 9-11 |
rman |
Feb-14-06 11:43 AM |
#130 |
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Except that Architectural Record's description of the shape of the core: |
seatnineb |
Feb-14-06 05:29 PM |
#133 |
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does the 1976 movie prove there's a concrete core? |
rman |
Feb-15-06 02:36 AM |
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This Image Proves There Was A Concrete Core |
Christophera |
Feb-16-06 01:12 AM |
#143 |
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No the movie does not.......but this 1977 book effectively does! |
seatnineb |
Feb-16-06 05:50 AM |
#144 |
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One New York Plaza has a concrete core |
gbwarming |
Feb-16-06 08:37 AM |
#145 |
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O' Hagan refers to both the WTC and 1 New York Plaza. |
seatnineb |
Feb-16-06 08:55 AM |
#146 |
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"a hypothetical model that portrays their general characteristics" |
gbwarming |
Feb-16-06 09:28 AM |
#147 |
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WTC and 1 New York Plaza conformed to that "hypothetical" model! |
seatnineb |
Feb-16-06 10:06 AM |
#150 |
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O'Hagen Defined A General Structural Configuration W/Concrete Core |
Christophera |
Feb-17-06 03:24 PM |
#168 |
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We Need To See Some Evidence-Talk Of Talk Might Have No Substance |
Christophera |
Feb-13-06 11:22 PM |
#122 |
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how about you show some pre 9-11 evidence proving |
rman |
Feb-14-06 04:30 AM |
#125 |
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searnineb Came Up With Best. Extra EVI., Photos Show Concrete Conclusively |
Christophera |
Feb-14-06 10:15 AM |
#128 |
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1/2 True (+-).Perimeter Steel Took 50%. Interior Box COL's 30%, CONC. Core |
Christophera |
Feb-12-06 11:09 PM |
#112 |
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the special on A&E |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-16-06 10:28 AM |
#153 |
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How About At Least A Description Of What They Showed-I Show Concrete |
Christophera |
Feb-24-06 02:02 PM |
#170 |
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1st time i ever heard of concrete core was from Christophera |
rman |
Feb-09-06 04:53 AM |
#76 |
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Description Of Concrete Core By P.E. Structrual ENG. In 12 States |
Christophera |
Feb-09-06 09:05 PM |
#81 |
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Sure.....this MIT proffessor believed there was a concrete core. |
seatnineb |
Feb-10-06 02:44 PM |
#87 |
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"fireproofed in concrete" does not make for a concrete core |
rman |
Feb-11-06 04:41 AM |
#92 |
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What you say is true....but you applying it in the wrong context. |
seatnineb |
Feb-11-06 05:51 AM |
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"the 24m ´ 42m interior core consisted of 48 steel columns fireproofed in |
rman |
Feb-11-06 06:47 AM |
#95 |
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Ghoniem: "steel columns that constituted the core" |
Make7 |
Feb-11-06 07:02 AM |
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Gee.....were all 48 columns on or around the perimeter of the core? |
seatnineb |
Feb-11-06 07:02 AM |
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Feb-04-06 11:01 AM |
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Feb-04-06 11:19 AM |
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You Have No Evidence-Here I Answer The Way You Want. Read Original Post |
Christophera |
Feb-04-06 11:26 AM |
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Free fall was possible ... |
HamdenRice |
Feb-04-06 11:38 AM |
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Feb-04-06 11:57 AM |
#27 |
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Planes Cannot Bring Towers Down - Collapse Cannot Make Sand And Gravel |
Christophera |
Feb-08-06 04:53 PM |
#70 |
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"Have you ever seen a few argue so hard" - Yes, you |
rman |
Feb-05-06 09:57 AM |
#46 |
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Against Concrete, No. I Argue For It When Evidence Says It Was Concrete |
Christophera |
Feb-05-06 11:51 AM |
#47 |
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where did you get that sketch from |
sabbat hunter |
Feb-06-06 10:35 AM |
#59 |
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I Created The Sketch |
Christophera |
Feb-06-06 10:48 PM |
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That is a completely and utterly ridiculous theory. |
ryan_cats |
Feb-10-06 09:39 AM |
#84 |
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I Notice You Have No Alternative EXPL. For Free Fall & No Other Evidence |
Christophera |
Feb-10-06 11:17 PM |
#90 |
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thermite cut up the steel beams, |
rman |
Feb-13-06 03:17 AM |
#116 |
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Absolutely, But NOT Above The First Floor-No Molten Steel Found In streets |
Christophera |
Feb-14-06 01:28 AM |
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The top section disintegrated as it fell straight down |
rman |
Feb-14-06 04:34 AM |
#126 |
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Intact Top Of WTC 2 Onto #3. Molten Steel Would Throw By Other EXPL. Video |
Christophera |
Feb-14-06 02:44 PM |
#132 |
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I did see molten metal dripping from above the crash floors |
DemInDistress |
Feb-16-06 12:39 PM |
#157 |
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Good question, now you know why we question and want to see the video. |
ryan_cats |
Feb-10-06 09:39 AM |
#85 |
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Wouldn't someone (more than 1) have talked by now? |
Show_Me _The_Truth |
Feb-15-06 09:54 AM |
#137 |
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Off Topic-The Concrete Core Is Not A Theory-No Steel Core Columns Seen |
Christophera |
Feb-15-06 09:37 PM |
#140 |
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Christophera, on Frontline or Nova (I know-grain of salt) |
mirandapriestly |
Feb-15-06 11:12 PM |
#141 |
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Stairwells Had Drywall Separating From Elevator Shaft On At Least One SIde |
Christophera |
Feb-15-06 11:54 PM |
#142 |
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Allot of Heresay and Supposition There |
Show_Me _The_Truth |
Feb-16-06 09:29 AM |
#148 |
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Only One Large Error There. I Only Need Raw Evidence For Source. ?? Proof |
Christophera |
Feb-16-06 02:54 PM |
#159 |
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I don't need to show proof |
Show_Me _The_Truth |
Feb-16-06 05:07 PM |
#160 |
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You Are The Master Of Tricky Pictures, I Simply Reason W/Evidence |
Christophera |
Feb-16-06 08:32 PM |
#162 |
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Hello, sorry to intrude..... |
jschurchin |
Feb-16-06 08:42 PM |
#163 |
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Volumes Are Good Proof. Floors Were ONLY Official Concrete |
Christophera |
Feb-16-06 09:22 PM |
#164 |
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Yes they are....... |
jschurchin |
Feb-16-06 10:05 PM |
#165 |
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The Basement Was Larger Than Tower Footprints-More Damage Below |
Christophera |
Feb-17-06 01:41 PM |
#166 |
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You Answer Your Question To Me And Ignore My Answer, ---- Whoa! |
Christophera |
Feb-17-06 02:11 PM |
#167 |
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