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emMingo Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #267
277. Because those of us living in NYC
are pretty sure that that second plane hit that tower. Because we saw it hit the $#(@ing tower.

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  -Can a jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? An experiment. spooked911  Oct-05-05 05:31 PM   #0 
  - keep adding  MrSammo1   Oct-05-05 05:38 PM   #1 
  - Can a non-jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? Reality.  Make7   Oct-05-05 06:41 PM   #2 
  - The WTC was not a "lightweight steel bar joist building"  spooked911   Oct-05-05 10:41 PM   #4 
  - Was it a chicken wire building? ( n/t )  Make7   Oct-06-05 02:42 AM   #10 
  - Of course not-- all the more reason why it would resist collapse.  spooked911   Oct-06-05 02:42 PM   #24 
     - So your original objection, to my posted real world examples,...  Make7   Oct-07-05 03:40 AM   #33 
        - the construction method was different.  petgoat   Oct-07-05 01:37 PM   #39 
           - Spooked's experiments DID test the strength of vertical columns in a fire.  MercutioATC   Oct-07-05 10:18 PM   #48 
           - LOL! ( n/t )  Make7   Oct-07-05 10:40 PM   #53 
           - Let me see if I understand this.  Make7   Oct-07-05 10:51 PM   #55 
              - Do you think heat will affect vertical and horizontal steel  spooked911   Oct-08-05 09:27 AM   #70 
                 - If it is the same type of steel and is raised to the same temperature...  Make7   Oct-08-05 10:21 AM   #73 
  - McCormick Place officially opened in 1960. The fire was in 1967.  Make7   Oct-06-05 10:59 AM   #16 
     - I can't find the link right now, but someone on this board had a post  spooked911   Oct-06-05 02:38 PM   #22 
        - L'Enfant Plaza  Kevin Fenton   Oct-06-05 02:51 PM   #25 
        - Do they have exhibits in convention centers still under construction?  Make7   Oct-07-05 03:10 AM   #32 
  - Steel  MrSammo1   Oct-07-05 03:48 AM   #34 
  - Can a non-jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse  MrSammo1   Oct-07-05 03:55 AM   #35 
  - Well, I"M convinced...  MercutioATC   Oct-05-05 10:33 PM   #3 
  - I assume you can show us how the fires caused the collapse then?  spooked911   Oct-05-05 10:41 PM   #5 
     - No, obviously you can't either...  MercutioATC   Oct-05-05 10:46 PM   #6 
        - "an aluminum can and some kerosene"  petgoat   Oct-06-05 12:51 AM   #7 
           - You don't think a hi-rise building is a little more complex than some  MercutioATC   Oct-06-05 01:21 AM   #8 
           - You don't think a hi-rise building is a little more complex  petgoat   Oct-06-05 02:40 AM   #9 
              - Then go ahead and calculate it...  MercutioATC   Oct-06-05 03:17 AM   #11 
              - I'm asking YOU or LARED or someone who supports the official story  spooked911   Oct-06-05 01:45 PM   #18 
              - I'm not accusing you of manipulating the results.  MercutioATC   Oct-06-05 10:22 PM   #29 
              - Had spooked's cage failed, we could have criticized his study  petgoat   Jul-05-06 04:36 PM   #110 
              - Actually, it is.  Totallybushed   Jul-05-06 03:15 PM   #107 
              - There's no point in calculating it. The model is too crude  petgoat   Jul-09-06 10:51 AM   #259 
              - Thank you, exactly my point.  spooked911   Oct-06-05 01:41 PM   #17 
           - The behavior of steel under load in a fire  LARED   Oct-06-05 05:03 AM   #12 
              - I have checked out what NIST "thinks"  petgoat   Oct-07-05 12:06 AM   #30 
                 - Exactly!!!  spooked911   Oct-08-05 09:28 AM   #71 
  - I'm just surprised  WoodrowFan   Oct-06-05 06:13 AM   #13 
  - If you want to improve your model  LARED   Oct-06-05 06:42 AM   #14 
  - How about YOU try it, since you believe the official story?  spooked911   Oct-06-05 01:54 PM   #19 
  - Because  LARED   Oct-06-05 02:26 PM   #21 
     - where is their model of the collapse, please?  spooked911   Oct-06-05 02:40 PM   #23 
        - Good Lord man, it's here  LARED   Oct-06-05 08:35 PM   #27 
           - No, I don't want that. I want their model of how fire  spooked911   Oct-06-05 09:56 PM   #28 
              - Where is the detailed NIST model of the collapse?  spooked911   Oct-08-05 09:34 AM   #72 
                 - Actually, the NIST is still trying to duplicate what happened on 9/11  Sinti   Jun-26-06 10:09 AM   #99 
                    - According to Kevin Ryan,  petgoat   Jul-06-06 11:50 AM   #121 
                       - NIST's fudged models  Carefulplease   Jul-07-06 06:07 AM   #145 
                          - Every single lightweight web truss could have failed  dailykoff   Jul-07-06 11:34 AM   #154 
                          - Are you sure about these beams?  Carefulplease   Jul-07-06 11:09 PM   #181 
                             - Yes.  dailykoff   Jul-08-06 02:07 AM   #187 
                             - Link, please. n/t  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 03:38 AM   #216 
                                - File an FOIA request.  dailykoff   Jul-08-06 03:45 AM   #217 
                                   - So, you can point out these beams even though you have never seen any  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 04:04 AM   #219 
                                      - Yes.  dailykoff   Jul-08-06 04:10 AM   #220 
                                         - And your evidence that they existed is?????  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 04:30 AM   #221 
                                            - Find a framing plan and I'll explain it to you.  dailykoff   Jul-08-06 04:46 AM   #222 
                                            - Can't answer the question, I see.  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 04:50 AM   #223 
                                            - I believe I've answered it four times. Good night. (n/t)  dailykoff   Jul-08-06 04:53 AM   #224 
                                            - No, you haven't even answered it once.  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 04:54 AM   #225 
                             - It seems apparent that she can't.  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 05:41 AM   #226 
                                - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make it think. (n/t)  dailykoff   Jul-08-06 09:46 AM   #227 
                                   - Lol. Talk about non-sequiturs....  Jazz2006   Jul-09-06 02:53 AM   #239 
                                   - I prefer the Dorothy Parker version  mirandapriestly   Jul-09-06 02:54 AM   #240 
                                   - Oh, and you think that's clever, I'll bet.  Jazz2006   Jul-09-06 03:01 AM   #242 
                                      - Why is it when I post to you it's a "weird fixation"  mirandapriestly   Jul-09-06 03:07 AM   #244 
                                         - I've never made any "personal attacks" on you  Jazz2006   Jul-09-06 03:13 AM   #245 
                                         - So what was on all those deleted posts?  mirandapriestly   Jul-10-06 10:09 AM   #282 
                                         - And  Jazz2006   Jul-09-06 03:50 AM   #246 
                                            - Stop stalking me  mirandapriestly   Jul-09-06 04:17 AM   #247 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-09-06 04:31 AM   #248 
                                            - delete dupe.  Jazz2006   Jul-09-06 04:43 AM   #250 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-09-06 09:10 AM   #255 
                                            - Sing....sing a song...  boloboffin   Jul-09-06 11:19 AM   #261 
                                            - Buddy, Rewind and replay "Bush supporters" "neocons" "paid shills" ...  Jazz2006   Jul-09-06 12:15 PM   #268 
                                            - Funny , I didn't see him say ANY of those words.  mirandapriestly   Jul-10-06 10:05 AM   #281 
                                   - Do no truss conspiracy sites about trusses.  Carefulplease   Jul-09-06 04:36 AM   #249 
                                      - Trusses and beams.  Carefulplease   Jul-09-06 06:14 AM   #251 
                                      - You should try reading the NIST report .  dailykoff   Jul-12-06 10:37 PM   #292 
                                         - Any evidence for these joist girders?  Carefulplease   Jul-13-06 04:10 AM   #295 
                                            - I said you should read it, not believe it.  dailykoff   Jul-13-06 05:16 AM   #296 
                                               - Where did you hear about these mystery girders?  Carefulplease   Jul-13-06 04:38 PM   #302 
                                               - What tipped me off  dailykoff   Jul-13-06 06:07 PM   #303 
                          - Welcome to DU! Please provide links to support your assertions.  petgoat   Jul-07-06 01:04 PM   #160 
                             - Here is some support...  Carefulplease   Jul-07-06 10:42 PM   #180 
  - No, a realistic similulation would have the fencing at about 0.7" high,  pox americana   Oct-07-05 02:12 PM   #40 
     - Actually, no.  MercutioATC   Oct-07-05 09:23 PM   #45 
        - It would also have 60 columns per side instead of 20.  pox americana   Oct-07-05 09:56 PM   #46 
           - Absolute B.S.  MercutioATC   Oct-07-05 10:13 PM   #47 
              - Tell it to the engineers  pox americana   Oct-07-05 10:20 PM   #49 
                 - Yes, but engineers scale their experiments to real buildings...  MercutioATC   Oct-07-05 10:26 PM   #50 
                 - Let's start with the width-height ratio.  pox americana   Oct-07-05 10:39 PM   #52 
                    - You're kidding, right?  MercutioATC   Oct-07-05 11:49 PM   #58 
                       - Evidently you haven't been paying attention.  pox americana   Oct-08-05 12:13 AM   #60 
                          - Evidently, your criteria are much more lenient than mine...  MercutioATC   Oct-08-05 12:28 AM   #61 
                             - Already covered, but here's a make-up session:  pox americana   Oct-08-05 12:56 AM   #63 
                                - Actually, it's not been "covered".  MercutioATC   Oct-08-05 01:02 AM   #64 
                                   - If you want to believe Home Depot uses better steel  pox americana   Oct-08-05 01:09 AM   #65 
                                      - You're still choosing not to answer my questions.  MercutioATC   Oct-08-05 01:46 AM   #66 
                                         - Asking an obvious question repeatedly  pox americana   Oct-08-05 04:47 AM   #67 
                                            - Pretty much what I expected.  MercutioATC   Oct-09-05 01:42 AM   #76 
                                               - A valiant attempt MercutioATC....  Macadian   Jul-05-06 03:57 PM   #109 
   &nb
                                               - A valiant attempt MercutioATC....  Macadian   Jul-05-06 03:57 PM   #109 
                                                  - Consider this  Martensitic Madness   Jul-07-06 12:38 PM   #157 
                                                  - Your premise that the bolts failed is of the Zipper-Pancake epoch  petgoat   Jul-07-06 12:58 PM   #159 
                                                  - So you're going to stick with...  Macadian   Jul-07-06 01:31 PM   #162 
                           &nb