| -Can a jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? An experiment. |
spooked911 |
Oct-05-05 05:31 PM |
#0 |
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keep adding |
MrSammo1 |
Oct-05-05 05:38 PM |
#1 |
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Can a non-jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? Reality. |
Make7 |
Oct-05-05 06:41 PM |
#2 |
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The WTC was not a "lightweight steel bar joist building" |
spooked911 |
Oct-05-05 10:41 PM |
#4 |
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Was it a chicken wire building? ( n/t ) |
Make7 |
Oct-06-05 02:42 AM |
#10 |
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Of course not-- all the more reason why it would resist collapse. |
spooked911 |
Oct-06-05 02:42 PM |
#24 |
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So your original objection, to my posted real world examples,... |
Make7 |
Oct-07-05 03:40 AM |
#33 |
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the construction method was different. |
petgoat |
Oct-07-05 01:37 PM |
#39 |
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Spooked's experiments DID test the strength of vertical columns in a fire. |
MercutioATC |
Oct-07-05 10:18 PM |
#48 |
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LOL! ( n/t ) |
Make7 |
Oct-07-05 10:40 PM |
#53 |
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Let me see if I understand this. |
Make7 |
Oct-07-05 10:51 PM |
#55 |
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Do you think heat will affect vertical and horizontal steel |
spooked911 |
Oct-08-05 09:27 AM |
#70 |
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If it is the same type of steel and is raised to the same temperature... |
Make7 |
Oct-08-05 10:21 AM |
#73 |
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McCormick Place officially opened in 1960. The fire was in 1967. |
Make7 |
Oct-06-05 10:59 AM |
#16 |
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I can't find the link right now, but someone on this board had a post |
spooked911 |
Oct-06-05 02:38 PM |
#22 |
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L'Enfant Plaza |
Kevin Fenton |
Oct-06-05 02:51 PM |
#25 |
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Do they have exhibits in convention centers still under construction? |
Make7 |
Oct-07-05 03:10 AM |
#32 |
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Steel |
MrSammo1 |
Oct-07-05 03:48 AM |
#34 |
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Can a non-jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse |
MrSammo1 |
Oct-07-05 03:55 AM |
#35 |
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Well, I"M convinced... |
MercutioATC |
Oct-05-05 10:33 PM |
#3 |
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I assume you can show us how the fires caused the collapse then? |
spooked911 |
Oct-05-05 10:41 PM |
#5 |
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No, obviously you can't either... |
MercutioATC |
Oct-05-05 10:46 PM |
#6 |
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"an aluminum can and some kerosene" |
petgoat |
Oct-06-05 12:51 AM |
#7 |
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You don't think a hi-rise building is a little more complex than some |
MercutioATC |
Oct-06-05 01:21 AM |
#8 |
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You don't think a hi-rise building is a little more complex |
petgoat |
Oct-06-05 02:40 AM |
#9 |
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Then go ahead and calculate it... |
MercutioATC |
Oct-06-05 03:17 AM |
#11 |
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I'm asking YOU or LARED or someone who supports the official story |
spooked911 |
Oct-06-05 01:45 PM |
#18 |
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I'm not accusing you of manipulating the results. |
MercutioATC |
Oct-06-05 10:22 PM |
#29 |
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Had spooked's cage failed, we could have criticized his study |
petgoat |
Jul-05-06 04:36 PM |
#110 |
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Actually, it is. |
Totallybushed |
Jul-05-06 03:15 PM |
#107 |
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There's no point in calculating it. The model is too crude |
petgoat |
Jul-09-06 10:51 AM |
#259 |
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Thank you, exactly my point. |
spooked911 |
Oct-06-05 01:41 PM |
#17 |
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The behavior of steel under load in a fire |
LARED |
Oct-06-05 05:03 AM |
#12 |
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I have checked out what NIST "thinks" |
petgoat |
Oct-07-05 12:06 AM |
#30 |
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Exactly!!! |
spooked911 |
Oct-08-05 09:28 AM |
#71 |
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I'm just surprised |
WoodrowFan |
Oct-06-05 06:13 AM |
#13 |
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If you want to improve your model |
LARED |
Oct-06-05 06:42 AM |
#14 |
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How about YOU try it, since you believe the official story? |
spooked911 |
Oct-06-05 01:54 PM |
#19 |
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Because |
LARED |
Oct-06-05 02:26 PM |
#21 |
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where is their model of the collapse, please? |
spooked911 |
Oct-06-05 02:40 PM |
#23 |
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Good Lord man, it's here |
LARED |
Oct-06-05 08:35 PM |
#27 |
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No, I don't want that. I want their model of how fire |
spooked911 |
Oct-06-05 09:56 PM |
#28 |
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Where is the detailed NIST model of the collapse? |
spooked911 |
Oct-08-05 09:34 AM |
#72 |
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Actually, the NIST is still trying to duplicate what happened on 9/11 |
Sinti |
Jun-26-06 10:09 AM |
#99 |
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According to Kevin Ryan, |
petgoat |
Jul-06-06 11:50 AM |
#121 |
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NIST's fudged models |
Carefulplease |
Jul-07-06 06:07 AM |
#145 |
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Every single lightweight web truss could have failed |
dailykoff |
Jul-07-06 11:34 AM |
#154 |
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Are you sure about these beams? |
Carefulplease |
Jul-07-06 11:09 PM |
#181 |
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Yes. |
dailykoff |
Jul-08-06 02:07 AM |
#187 |
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Link, please. n/t |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 03:38 AM |
#216 |
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File an FOIA request. |
dailykoff |
Jul-08-06 03:45 AM |
#217 |
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So, you can point out these beams even though you have never seen any |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 04:04 AM |
#219 |
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Yes. |
dailykoff |
Jul-08-06 04:10 AM |
#220 |
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And your evidence that they existed is????? |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 04:30 AM |
#221 |
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Find a framing plan and I'll explain it to you. |
dailykoff |
Jul-08-06 04:46 AM |
#222 |
| -
Can't answer the question, I see. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 04:50 AM |
#223 |
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I believe I've answered it four times. Good night. (n/t) |
dailykoff |
Jul-08-06 04:53 AM |
#224 |
| -
No, you haven't even answered it once. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 04:54 AM |
#225 |
| -
It seems apparent that she can't. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 05:41 AM |
#226 |
| -
I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make it think. (n/t) |
dailykoff |
Jul-08-06 09:46 AM |
#227 |
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Lol. Talk about non-sequiturs.... |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-09-06 02:53 AM |
#239 |
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I prefer the Dorothy Parker version |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-09-06 02:54 AM |
#240 |
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Oh, and you think that's clever, I'll bet. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-09-06 03:01 AM |
#242 |
| -
Why is it when I post to you it's a "weird fixation" |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-09-06 03:07 AM |
#244 |
| -
I've never made any "personal attacks" on you |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-09-06 03:13 AM |
#245 |
| -
So what was on all those deleted posts? |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-10-06 10:09 AM |
#282 |
| -
And |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-09-06 03:50 AM |
#246 |
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Stop stalking me |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-09-06 04:17 AM |
#247 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-09-06 04:31 AM |
#248 |
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delete dupe. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-09-06 04:43 AM |
#250 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-09-06 09:10 AM |
#255 |
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Sing....sing a song... |
boloboffin |
Jul-09-06 11:19 AM |
#261 |
| -
Buddy, Rewind and replay "Bush supporters" "neocons" "paid shills" ... |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-09-06 12:15 PM |
#268 |
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Funny , I didn't see him say ANY of those words. |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-10-06 10:05 AM |
#281 |
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Do no truss conspiracy sites about trusses. |
Carefulplease |
Jul-09-06 04:36 AM |
#249 |
| -
Trusses and beams. |
Carefulplease |
Jul-09-06 06:14 AM |
#251 |
| -
You should try reading the NIST report . |
dailykoff |
Jul-12-06 10:37 PM |
#292 |
| -
Any evidence for these joist girders? |
Carefulplease |
Jul-13-06 04:10 AM |
#295 |
| -
I said you should read it, not believe it. |
dailykoff |
Jul-13-06 05:16 AM |
#296 |
| -
Where did you hear about these mystery girders? |
Carefulplease |
Jul-13-06 04:38 PM |
#302 |
| -
What tipped me off |
dailykoff |
Jul-13-06 06:07 PM |
#303 |
| -
Welcome to DU! Please provide links to support your assertions. |
petgoat |
Jul-07-06 01:04 PM |
#160 |
| -
Here is some support... |
Carefulplease |
Jul-07-06 10:42 PM |
#180 |
| -
No, a realistic similulation would have the fencing at about 0.7" high, |
pox americana |
Oct-07-05 02:12 PM |
#40 |
| -
Actually, no. |
MercutioATC |
Oct-07-05 09:23 PM |
#45 |
| -
It would also have 60 columns per side instead of 20. |
pox americana |
Oct-07-05 09:56 PM |
#46 |
| -
Absolute B.S. |
MercutioATC |
Oct-07-05 10:13 PM |
#47 |
| -
Tell it to the engineers |
pox americana |
Oct-07-05 10:20 PM |
#49 |
| -
Yes, but engineers scale their experiments to real buildings... |
MercutioATC |
Oct-07-05 10:26 PM |
#50 |
| -
Let's start with the width-height ratio. |
pox americana |
Oct-07-05 10:39 PM |
#52 |
| -
You're kidding, right? |
MercutioATC |
Oct-07-05 11:49 PM |
#58 |
| -
Evidently you haven't been paying attention. |
pox americana |
Oct-08-05 12:13 AM |
#60 |
| -
Evidently, your criteria are much more lenient than mine... |
MercutioATC |
Oct-08-05 12:28 AM |
#61 |
| -
Already covered, but here's a make-up session: |
pox americana |
Oct-08-05 12:56 AM |
#63 |
| -
Actually, it's not been "covered". |
MercutioATC |
Oct-08-05 01:02 AM |
#64 |
| -
If you want to believe Home Depot uses better steel |
pox americana |
Oct-08-05 01:09 AM |
#65 |
| -
You're still choosing not to answer my questions. |
MercutioATC |
Oct-08-05 01:46 AM |
#66 |
| -
Asking an obvious question repeatedly |
pox americana |
Oct-08-05 04:47 AM |
#67 |
| -
Pretty much what I expected. |
MercutioATC |
Oct-09-05 01:42 AM |
#76 |
| -
A valiant attempt MercutioATC.... |
Macadian |
Jul-05-06 03:57 PM |
#109 |
| -
Consider this |
Martensitic Madness |
Jul-07-06 12:38 PM |
#157 |
| -
Your premise that the bolts failed is of the Zipper-Pancake epoch |
petgoat |
Jul-07-06 12:58 PM |
#159 |
| -
So you're going to stick with... |
Macadian |
Jul-07-06 01:31 PM |
#162 |
| -
Hey Mac, one PhD says the flimsy truss clips unzipped, the |
petgoat |
Jul-07-06 02:41 PM |
#166 |
| -
Perhaps you should read up on wind tunnel testing. |
AZCat |
Oct-07-05 10:27 PM |
#51 |
| -
Thanks for the suggestion. n/t |
pox americana |
Oct-07-05 10:41 PM |
#54 |
| -
You are welcome. |
AZCat |
Oct-07-05 11:00 PM |
#56 |
| -
A simple example for structural scaling. |
AZCat |
Oct-08-05 06:52 AM |
#68 |
| -
While this model is not an acurate representation.. |
atomic-fly |
Oct-06-05 08:26 AM |
#15 |
| -
Interesting experiment. |
Old and In the Way |
Oct-06-05 02:23 PM |
#20 |
| -
An issue NIST (I think I remember this) raises is that differential heat |
petgoat |
Oct-07-05 12:13 AM |
#31 |
| -
Experimental confirmation of what I've long suspected: |
pox americana |
Oct-06-05 02:52 PM |
#26 |
| -
Good try, but... |
thewormman |
Oct-07-05 05:24 AM |
#36 |
| -
Good try, but... |
thewormman |
Oct-07-05 05:26 AM |
#37 |
| -
You should see the National Geographic documentary |
Frederik |
Oct-07-05 10:33 AM |
#38 |
| -
That's show biz. |
pox americana |
Oct-07-05 02:19 PM |
#41 |
| -
Oh please |
Frederik |
Oct-07-05 03:04 PM |
#42 |
| -
I think I'd be equally critical of both |
pox americana |
Oct-07-05 07:04 PM |
#43 |
| -
The documentary |
Frederik |
Oct-08-05 02:57 PM |
#74 |
| -
Logically, I'd want to get... |
StrafingMoose |
Oct-08-05 03:03 PM |
#75 |
| -
When did spooked get into the engineering business??? |
Macadian |
Jul-05-06 03:54 PM |
#108 |
| -
A valid point, but we should hold History and National Geographic |
petgoat |
Jul-05-06 04:39 PM |
#111 |
| -
Well, yes & no.... |
Macadian |
Jul-06-06 07:57 AM |
#117 |
| -
"Spooked has not met even the low standards" |
petgoat |
Jul-06-06 11:53 AM |
#122 |
| -
Backyard science is fine and dandy.... |
Macadian |
Jul-06-06 12:53 PM |
#130 |
| -
the problem |
Bouvet_Island |
Oct-07-05 08:09 PM |
#44 |
| -
The analyis he posted on another thead is more convincing to me |
philb |
Oct-07-05 11:01 PM |
#57 |
| -
couple of questions about your experiment... |
kevinam |
Oct-08-05 12:06 AM |
#59 |
| -
None of that matters. |
MercutioATC |
Oct-08-05 12:32 AM |
#62 |
| -
Good points. But one by one-- |
spooked911 |
Oct-08-05 09:26 AM |
#69 |
| -
Third expt with a similar set-up: |
spooked911 |
Oct-12-05 11:36 AM |
#77 |
| -
Bravo, Spooked. |
petgoat |
Oct-12-05 05:03 PM |
#78 |
| -
Thanks! I've thought about doing what you say, actually, but haven't had |
spooked911 |
Oct-12-05 05:49 PM |
#80 |
| -
This proves it then. |
Make7 |
Oct-12-05 05:34 PM |
#79 |
| -
Sorry, I didn't write that up properly. The fire was strong for about |
spooked911 |
Oct-12-05 05:52 PM |
#81 |
| -
Jesus! Why not try modeling your "experiment" after the actual buildings? |
MercutioATC |
Oct-12-05 09:19 PM |
#82 |
| -
You're more than welcome to do your own experiment |
spooked911 |
Oct-13-05 09:15 PM |
#84 |
| -
No need, i'm conviced. |
mike923 |
Jul-06-06 11:28 AM |
#120 |
| -
Couple of points |
Lithos |
Oct-12-05 10:08 PM |
#83 |
| -
It's NOT chicken wire, it is garden fencing meant to keep out rabbits. And |
spooked911 |
Oct-13-05 09:32 PM |
#85 |
| -
I think it's the unsupported length of the column... |
AZCat |
Oct-13-05 09:38 PM |
#86 |
| -
Kick |
Jazz2006 |
Jun-24-06 01:17 AM |
#87 |
| -
I never saw this before. |
greyl |
Jun-25-06 12:09 AM |
#88 |
| -
Bunnies |
Jazz2006 |
Jun-25-06 12:24 AM |
#89 |
| -
Sources tell me that spooked is a scientist. |
greyl |
Jun-25-06 12:37 AM |
#90 |
| -
Sources tell me |
Jazz2006 |
Jun-25-06 12:42 AM |
#91 |
| -
How do we prove that we're friendly to the honest ones? nt |
greyl |
Jun-25-06 12:50 AM |
#92 |
| -
Same as always, by words and actions. n/t |
Jazz2006 |
Jun-25-06 12:54 AM |
#93 |
| -
Take care of your goodness. |
greyl |
Jun-25-06 12:58 AM |
#94 |
| -
Always. |
Jazz2006 |
Jun-25-06 01:01 AM |
#95 |
| -
That ought to be easy |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-07-06 07:28 PM |
#176 |
| -
Ohhhhh, you so totally dissed me! |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 01:18 AM |
#184 |
| -
If you would bother to look at spooked's blog and take a |
petgoat |
Jun-25-06 10:57 AM |
#97 |
| -
Thanks for your input. |
Jazz2006 |
Jun-29-06 10:17 PM |
#102 |
| -
Ah, there's those prize-winning emoticons again. |
petgoat |
Jun-25-06 10:51 AM |
#96 |
| -
Sorry, you lose. My emoticons are bigger than yours. |
petgoat |
Jun-25-06 03:15 PM |
#98 |
| -
Thanks again x2 for your input. |
Jazz2006 |
Jun-29-06 10:21 PM |
#103 |
| -
OMG, bwahaha. |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-07-06 08:28 PM |
#178 |
| -
Thanks for your observation. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 01:17 AM |
#183 |
| -
Suggestion for 2 new experiments: WTC 7 |
Jeroen |
Jun-28-06 10:03 AM |
#100 |
| -
yep...scaling is the problem |
bobby911 |
Jun-29-06 06:03 AM |
#101 |
| -
WTC test |
lcwilson |
Jul-05-06 12:31 PM |
#104 |
| -
Welcome to DU! :) nt |
greyl |
Jul-05-06 12:44 PM |
#105 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-05-06 01:30 PM |
#106 |
| -
Welcome to DU ryams! |
petgoat |
Jul-05-06 04:44 PM |
#112 |
| -
Thanks... |
ryams27 |
Jul-06-06 08:43 AM |
#118 |
| -
That's circular reasoning. |
petgoat |
Jul-06-06 12:04 PM |
#123 |
| -
Psst, they've been banned. Thanks for rolling out the red carpet |
greyl |
Jul-06-06 12:25 PM |
#128 |
| -
That wasn't just a RW troll! That was Jonah his own self! |
boloboffin |
Jul-06-06 01:04 PM |
#132 |
| -
You might be correct, but I'm not convinced. ;) |
greyl |
Jul-06-06 01:13 PM |
#134 |
| -
Lookee here... |
boloboffin |
Jul-05-06 10:20 PM |
#113 |
| -
Nice job. :) |
greyl |
Jul-06-06 05:33 AM |
#114 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-06-06 08:45 AM |
#119 |
| -
Please tell me you're joking. |
NoiseLTD |
Jul-06-06 06:48 AM |
#115 |
| -
Welcome to DU, however |
greyl |
Jul-06-06 07:20 AM |
#116 |
| -
Do you have any specific criticisms, or any constructive |
petgoat |
Jul-06-06 12:06 PM |
#124 |
| -
You said "spooked's experiment proves nothing". |
greyl |
Jul-06-06 12:17 PM |
#125 |
| -
See Fair Enough... |
NoiseLTD |
Jul-06-06 12:21 PM |
#127 |
| -
Fair enough... |
NoiseLTD |
Jul-06-06 12:18 PM |
#126 |
| -
Yep, I pretty much agree with all of that. |
greyl |
Jul-06-06 12:37 PM |
#129 |
| -
links? |
NoiseLTD |
Jul-06-06 01:03 PM |
#131 |
| -
Here ya go: |
greyl |
Jul-06-06 01:07 PM |
#133 |
| -
"You have someone positing a conspiracy based on..." |
petgoat |
Jul-06-06 02:38 PM |
#135 |
| -
well said amigo |
BrokenBeyondRepair |
Jul-06-06 03:19 PM |
#136 |
| -
This confirms what I've suspected all along |
enough already |
Jul-06-06 04:41 PM |
#137 |
| -
This confirms nothing |
Codeine |
Jul-06-06 04:52 PM |
#138 |
| -
Yes, far too many DUers waste time because of so much... |
BuddyYoung |
Jul-06-06 05:04 PM |
#139 |
| -
Don't you know any other tunes, Buddy? |
boloboffin |
Jul-06-06 05:18 PM |
#140 |
| -
C'mon boloboffin, that one's getting old. |
BuddyYoung |
Jul-06-06 07:16 PM |
#143 |
| -
You're telling me. |
boloboffin |
Jul-06-06 10:09 PM |
#144 |
| -
I've already told you, and so have plenty of other people. |
BuddyYoung |
Jul-07-06 09:49 AM |
#149 |
| -
You do know two songs! |
boloboffin |
Jul-07-06 11:27 AM |
#153 |
| -
Three: You forgot about "I Can See Thru OCT'er BS Clearly Now". |
BuddyYoung |
Jul-07-06 12:50 PM |
#158 |
| -
They don't need a songbook, |
carlvs |
Jul-07-06 10:18 AM |
#150 |
| -
:rofl: |
grytpype |
Jul-06-06 05:52 PM |
#141 |
| -
Great work! Now try a scientific experiment. |
The Night Owl |
Jul-06-06 06:12 PM |
#142 |
| -
wtf? |
aikoaiko |
Jul-07-06 07:56 AM |
#146 |
| -
Consider it a joke at your own risk |
slackmaster |
Jul-07-06 09:47 AM |
#148 |
| -
Serious Stuff! |
sighkobabl |
Jul-07-06 04:36 PM |
#171 |
| -
I'm glad the bunny got away |
slackmaster |
Jul-07-06 09:46 AM |
#147 |
| -
Structural engineering |
joshbetts |
Jul-07-06 11:02 AM |
#151 |
| -
what's your take on the molten steel/iron dripping out the.. |
BrokenBeyondRepair |
Jul-07-06 12:21 PM |
#156 |
| -
what's your take on the molten steel/iron dripping out the.. |
joshbetts |
Jul-07-06 01:23 PM |
#161 |
| -
serious? |
BrokenBeyondRepair |
Jul-07-06 01:42 PM |
#163 |
| -
serious? |
joshbetts |
Jul-07-06 02:14 PM |
#164 |
| -
the laws of physic aren't up for debate |
BrokenBeyondRepair |
Jul-07-06 02:59 PM |
#167 |
| -
BrokenBeyondRepair, |
joshbetts |
Jul-07-06 03:13 PM |
#168 |
| -
obviously, there is reasonable doubt |
BrokenBeyondRepair |
Jul-07-06 03:31 PM |
#169 |
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It is disingenuous to require proof of a proposition when you |
petgoat |
Jul-07-06 07:10 PM |
#174 |
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I'm not being disingenuous. |
joshlbetts |
Jul-08-06 04:31 PM |
#234 |
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Which link contains structural drawings for the WTC? |
dailykoff |
Jul-08-06 11:47 PM |
#236 |
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dailykoff, Here are some copies of the actual drawings and calculations. |
joshlbetts |
Jul-09-06 11:15 AM |
#260 |
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Thanks, that's helpful. |
dailykoff |
Jul-10-06 12:44 AM |
#276 |
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The burning drips look a lot like burning molten plastic. |
aikoaiko |
Jul-07-06 06:53 PM |
#172 |
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It appears to be giving off light. In my experience burning |
petgoat |
Jul-07-06 07:07 PM |
#173 |
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this is the only image of melting plastic i could.. |
BrokenBeyondRepair |
Jul-07-06 08:05 PM |
#177 |
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Just put a plastic bag on a stick and stick over a small fire. |
aikoaiko |
Jul-07-06 10:05 PM |
#179 |
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Sounds like an easily-tested hypothesis. Please provide |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 02:30 AM |
#191 |
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I hate to break this to you, but pictures on the internet is not science. |
aikoaiko |
Jul-09-06 07:25 AM |
#253 |
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It proves my point. The material in the firefall at WTC2 was incandescent |
petgoat |
Jul-09-06 10:42 AM |
#257 |
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sorry, I don't think you don't understand what you're seeing. |
aikoaiko |
Jul-09-06 02:45 PM |
#269 |
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I understand what I'm seeing just fine. Maybe my diction is off. |
petgoat |
Jul-09-06 03:08 PM |
#270 |
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"can never be proven beyond doubt" |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 02:27 AM |
#189 |
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there will always be those that doubt or.. |
BrokenBeyondRepair |
Jul-08-06 02:40 AM |
#194 |
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It looks like molten steel to me, and no alternate explanation |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 02:46 AM |
#197 |
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Then take your own suggestion. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 02:51 AM |
#200 |
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I don't need to. I already have, I've melted plastic, steel, and |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 03:03 AM |
#204 |
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So post your images as you've asked others to. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 03:09 AM |
#209 |
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Oh, and that reminds me.... epistemology |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 03:55 AM |
#218 |
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Melt steel, melt aluminum, melt plastic, pour them off a fifty foot drop.. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 02:50 AM |
#198 |
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The ball's in your court. Everyone knows plastic make flames, |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 02:52 AM |
#201 |
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No, it isn't. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 02:58 AM |
#203 |
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So take my suggestion. Let's build a bad model that endures, |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 03:05 AM |
#205 |
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According to your suggestion (which you've now changed), it is so |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 03:08 AM |
#208 |
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Sorry, I got this experiment mixed up with another one I |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 02:19 PM |
#231 |
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"I'd had a few bottles of wine." |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-12-06 01:59 AM |
#291 |
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Have you recovered sufficiently from those "few bottles of wine" yet to |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-13-06 02:38 AM |
#294 |
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Nope, nor have a got photos showing rain is wet and sun is dry. nt |
petgoat |
Jul-13-06 11:03 AM |
#300 |
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I'm not surprised that you haven't backed up what you said. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-13-06 09:48 PM |
#307 |
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Couldn't it be aluminum from the airplane that was burnt up inside the |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 01:29 AM |
#185 |
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unlikely.. |
BrokenBeyondRepair |
Jul-08-06 02:29 AM |
#190 |
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That's not convincing. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 02:45 AM |
#196 |
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Aluminium melts at 600 degrees, at which point it is silvery, |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 02:50 AM |
#199 |
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Sorry, but I'm not convinced by your say so that it could not have |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 02:57 AM |
#202 |
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Pffft. nt |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 03:07 AM |
#206 |
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I didn't expect you to be able to respond meaningfully. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 03:11 AM |
#210 |
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Pfft. |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 03:12 AM |
#212 |
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Pfft is right! |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 03:16 AM |
#213 |
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Oh, an edit which I should respond to, I see. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 03:31 AM |
#215 |
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Pearls at Swine, PG...nt |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-09-06 02:41 AM |
#238 |
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LOL. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-09-06 02:56 AM |
#241 |
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This is pretty funny |
capt havermeyer |
Jul-07-06 11:17 AM |
#152 |
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Science Experiment |
TheRealSwede |
Jul-07-06 12:05 PM |
#155 |
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Fantastic |
JudgeSmails |
Jul-07-06 02:16 PM |
#165 |
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Test Explosive Demolition Hypothesis |
what the |
Jul-07-06 03:54 PM |
#170 |
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Now that's funny! Let's try the thermate hypothesis instead, ok? nt |
petgoat |
Jul-07-06 07:11 PM |
#175 |
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Blacksmith's forge |
what the |
Jul-10-06 04:25 PM |
#287 |
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Charcoal forges have forced air. They also have.... charcoal. |
petgoat |
Jul-13-06 01:30 AM |
#293 |
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Heat conduction etc. |
what the |
Jul-14-06 08:31 PM |
#309 |
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You stole those words from my mouth... |
Carefulplease |
Jul-15-06 12:46 AM |
#310 |
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LOL ~ good one! |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-08-06 01:39 AM |
#186 |
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You guys are nuts |
allfathersgodi |
Jul-07-06 11:19 PM |
#182 |
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Sorry, doesn't prove a thing either way. |
rman |
Jul-08-06 02:22 AM |
#188 |
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Ahhhh, you're getting to the synthesis. |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 02:35 AM |
#192 |
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Not just any model |
rman |
Jul-08-06 02:38 AM |
#193 |
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Not necessarily. Building bad models can be helpful to |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 02:43 AM |
#195 |
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What's a good model, how do you know it's good? |
rman |
Jul-08-06 03:08 AM |
#207 |
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"I doubt that any of us has the means" |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 03:11 AM |
#211 |
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We can't go on unverifiable information |
rman |
Jul-08-06 03:31 AM |
#214 |
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We don't have the means to model it accurately. |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 02:27 PM |
#232 |
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it'd not be a known error because we have no reference, |
rman |
Jul-09-06 02:29 AM |
#237 |
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I didn't mean a "known error" as in a "measured" or |
petgoat |
Jul-09-06 10:46 AM |
#258 |
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np. However, |
rman |
Jul-09-06 11:24 PM |
#271 |
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We can't know how large the error is until we experiment and |
petgoat |
Jul-13-06 11:01 AM |
#299 |
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Fine procedure for challenging the Titanic hoax. |
Carefulplease |
Jul-15-06 01:52 AM |
#311 |
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New kid in town, posting like the old OCT'ers in town. Imagine that! |
BuddyYoung |
Jul-15-06 10:42 AM |
#312 |
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Glass houses, Mr. June 26th. n/t |
boloboffin |
Jul-15-06 10:50 AM |
#313 |
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See post #314 |
BuddyYoung |
Jul-16-06 09:20 PM |
#315 |
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You know... |
salvorhardin |
Jul-16-06 08:28 PM |
#314 |
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The press might be interested... |
Carefulplease |
Jul-08-06 12:38 PM |
#229 |
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The Stupidity of the Left |
allfathersgodi |
Jul-08-06 12:21 PM |
#228 |
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Good point, but I'd like to think some Democrats and |
petgoat |
Jul-08-06 01:04 PM |
#230 |
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Actually quite a few GOP have come out |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-09-06 03:02 AM |
#243 |
| -
is this a joke? |
omenapoint |
Jul-08-06 03:18 PM |
#233 |
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You are an idiot |
demfool |
Jul-08-06 04:40 PM |
#235 |
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See how easy it is |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-09-06 11:27 AM |
#264 |
| -
And who would suspect that anyone with a screen name |
rman |
Jul-09-06 11:27 PM |
#272 |
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Surely, just another one of those totally unexpected COINCIDENCES. nt |
BuddyYoung |
Jul-09-06 11:36 PM |
#273 |
| -
Are you saying that |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-09-06 11:44 PM |
#274 |
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Incredible and unprecedented as it may seem, |
rman |
Jul-09-06 11:50 PM |
#275 |
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I'm shocked.nt |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-10-06 10:09 AM |
#283 |
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You are famous |
Stella_Artois |
Jul-09-06 06:53 AM |
#252 |
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So I'e heard. Although I'm not really clear why what I did is so |
spooked911 |
Jul-09-06 08:54 AM |
#254 |
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Those people don't talk for all of us |
DrDebug |
Jul-09-06 11:21 AM |
#262 |
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I agree. |
Old and In the Way |
Jul-09-06 11:28 AM |
#265 |
| -
What is the saying |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-09-06 11:29 AM |
#266 |
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what's funny to me is how they point to this experiment |
spooked911 |
Jul-09-06 11:39 AM |
#267 |
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Because those of us living in NYC |
emMingo |
Jul-10-06 09:30 AM |
#277 |
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uh-huh, sure you did. |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-10-06 09:58 AM |
#279 |
| -
Different reasons, depending on where one is coming from |
BuddyYoung |
Jul-10-06 09:50 AM |
#278 |
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They NEVER post on the threads |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-10-06 09:59 AM |
#280 |
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I hadn't noticed that, but you are certainly right. A jazz bump, then |
BuddyYoung |
Jul-10-06 01:29 PM |
#285 |
| -
Lol ~ that must be it. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-11-06 02:30 AM |
#289 |
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Once they saw these pictures, there was no need to look for |
boloboffin |
Jul-10-06 11:48 AM |
#284 |
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It's could be the footwear. |
Jazz2006 |
Jul-11-06 02:25 AM |
#288 |
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I think you did it with the full knowledge of the results |
Generarth |
Jul-14-06 08:25 AM |
#308 |
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Those who say that about DU are going to say it anyway |
mirandapriestly |
Jul-09-06 11:23 AM |
#263 |
| -
Who knows |
Stella_Artois |
Jul-10-06 03:03 PM |
#286 |
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Spooked is not claiming the rabbit cage experiment |
petgoat |
Jul-13-06 10:53 AM |
#298 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-09-06 09:15 AM |
#256 |
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LMAO...Can you say "not to scale" |
Freedom_Aflaim |
Jul-11-06 11:09 AM |
#290 |
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Not to scale is right. |
petgoat |
Jul-13-06 10:51 AM |
#297 |
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How?! |
boolean |
Jul-13-06 02:53 PM |
#301 |
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Welcome to DU, Boolean |
petgoat |
Jul-13-06 06:31 PM |
#304 |
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Now it's my turn |
boolean |
Jul-13-06 07:26 PM |
#305 |
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Ok |
petgoat |
Jul-13-06 07:55 PM |
#306 |
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You REALLY need to find a different hobby. Just friendly advice. |
Redstone |
Jul-16-06 09:23 PM |
#316 |
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Locking |
Lithos |
Jul-16-06 09:32 PM |
#317 |
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