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57. The analyis he posted on another thead is more convincing to me
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  -Can a jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? An experiment. spooked911  Oct-05-05 05:31 PM   #0 
  - keep adding  MrSammo1   Oct-05-05 05:38 PM   #1 
  - Can a non-jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? Reality.  Make7   Oct-05-05 06:41 PM   #2 
  - The WTC was not a "lightweight steel bar joist building"  spooked911   Oct-05-05 10:41 PM   #4 
  - Was it a chicken wire building? ( n/t )  Make7   Oct-06-05 02:42 AM   #10 
  - Of course not-- all the more reason why it would resist collapse.  spooked911   Oct-06-05 02:42 PM   #24 
     - So your original objection, to my posted real world examples,...  Make7   Oct-07-05 03:40 AM   #33 
        - the construction method was different.  petgoat   Oct-07-05 01:37 PM   #39 
           - Spooked's experiments DID test the strength of vertical columns in a fire.  MercutioATC   Oct-07-05 10:18 PM   #48 
           - LOL! ( n/t )  Make7   Oct-07-05 10:40 PM   #53 
           - Let me see if I understand this.  Make7   Oct-07-05 10:51 PM   #55 
              - Do you think heat will affect vertical and horizontal steel  spooked911   Oct-08-05 09:27 AM   #70 
                 - If it is the same type of steel and is raised to the same temperature...  Make7   Oct-08-05 10:21 AM   #73 
  - McCormick Place officially opened in 1960. The fire was in 1967.  Make7   Oct-06-05 10:59 AM   #16 
     - I can't find the link right now, but someone on this board had a post  spooked911   Oct-06-05 02:38 PM   #22 
        - L'Enfant Plaza  Kevin Fenton   Oct-06-05 02:51 PM   #25 
        - Do they have exhibits in convention centers still under construction?  Make7   Oct-07-05 03:10 AM   #32 
  - Steel  MrSammo1   Oct-07-05 03:48 AM   #34 
  - Can a non-jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse  MrSammo1   Oct-07-05 03:55 AM   #35 
  - Well, I"M convinced...  MercutioATC   Oct-05-05 10:33 PM   #3 
  - I assume you can show us how the fires caused the collapse then?  spooked911   Oct-05-05 10:41 PM   #5 
     - No, obviously you can't either...  MercutioATC   Oct-05-05 10:46 PM   #6 
        - "an aluminum can and some kerosene"  petgoat   Oct-06-05 12:51 AM   #7 
           - You don't think a hi-rise building is a little more complex than some  MercutioATC   Oct-06-05 01:21 AM   #8 
           - You don't think a hi-rise building is a little more complex  petgoat   Oct-06-05 02:40 AM   #9 
              - Then go ahead and calculate it...  MercutioATC   Oct-06-05 03:17 AM   #11 
              - I'm asking YOU or LARED or someone who supports the official story  spooked911   Oct-06-05 01:45 PM   #18 
              - I'm not accusing you of manipulating the results.  MercutioATC   Oct-06-05 10:22 PM   #29 
              - Had spooked's cage failed, we could have criticized his study  petgoat   Jul-05-06 04:36 PM   #110 
              - Actually, it is.  Totallybushed   Jul-05-06 03:15 PM   #107 
              - There's no point in calculating it. The model is too crude  petgoat   Jul-09-06 10:51 AM   #259 
              - Thank you, exactly my point.  spooked911   Oct-06-05 01:41 PM   #17 
           - The behavior of steel under load in a fire  LARED   Oct-06-05 05:03 AM   #12 
              - I have checked out what NIST "thinks"  petgoat   Oct-07-05 12:06 AM   #30 
                 - Exactly!!!  spooked911   Oct-08-05 09:28 AM   #71 
  - I'm just surprised  WoodrowFan   Oct-06-05 06:13 AM   #13 
  - If you want to improve your model  LARED   Oct-06-05 06:42 AM   #14 
  - How about YOU try it, since you believe the official story?  spooked911   Oct-06-05 01:54 PM   #19 
  - Because  LARED   Oct-06-05 02:26 PM   #21 
     - where is their model of the collapse, please?  spooked911   Oct-06-05 02:40 PM   #23 
        - Good Lord man, it's here  LARED   Oct-06-05 08:35 PM   #27 
           - No, I don't want that. I want their model of how fire  spooked911   Oct-06-05 09:56 PM   #28 
              - Where is the detailed NIST model of the collapse?  spooked911   Oct-08-05 09:34 AM   #72 
                 - Actually, the NIST is still trying to duplicate what happened on 9/11  Sinti   Jun-26-06 10:09 AM   #99 
                    - According to Kevin Ryan,  petgoat   Jul-06-06 11:50 AM   #121 
                       - NIST's fudged models  Carefulplease   Jul-07-06 06:07 AM   #145 
                          - Every single lightweight web truss could have failed  dailykoff   Jul-07-06 11:34 AM   #154 
                          - Are you sure about these beams?  Carefulplease   Jul-07-06 11:09 PM   #181 
                             - Yes.  dailykoff   Jul-08-06 02:07 AM   #187 
                             - Link, please. n/t  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 03:38 AM   #216 
                                - File an FOIA request.  dailykoff   Jul-08-06 03:45 AM   #217 
                                   - So, you can point out these beams even though you have never seen any  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 04:04 AM   #219 
                                      - Yes.  dailykoff   Jul-08-06 04:10 AM   #220 
                                         - And your evidence that they existed is?????  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 04:30 AM   #221 
                                            - Find a framing plan and I'll explain it to you.  dailykoff   Jul-08-06 04:46 AM   #222 
                                            - Can't answer the question, I see.  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 04:50 AM   #223 
                                            - I believe I've answered it four times. Good night. (n/t)  dailykoff   Jul-08-06 04:53 AM   #224 
                                            - No, you haven't even answered it once.  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 04:54 AM   #225 
                             - It seems apparent that she can't.  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 05:41 AM   #226 
                                - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make it think. (n/t)  dailykoff   Jul-08-06 09:46 AM   #227 
                                   - Lol. Talk about non-sequiturs....  Jazz2006   Jul-09-06 02:53 AM   #239 
                                   - I prefer the Dorothy Parker version  mirandapriestly   Jul-09-06 02:54 AM   #240 
                                   - Oh, and you think that's clever, I'll bet.  Jazz2006   Jul-09-06 03:01 AM   #242 
                                      - Why is it when I post to you it's a "weird fixation"  mirandapriestly   Jul-09-06 03:07 AM   #244 
                                         - I've never made any "personal attacks" on you  Jazz2006   Jul-09-06 03:13 AM   #245 
                                         - So what was on all those deleted posts?  mirandapriestly   Jul-10-06 10:09 AM   #282 
                                         - And  Jazz2006   Jul-09-06 03:50 AM   #246 
                                            - Stop stalking me  mirandapriestly   Jul-09-06 04:17 AM   #247 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-09-06 04:31 AM   #248 
                                            - delete dupe.  Jazz2006   Jul-09-06 04:43 AM   #250 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-09-06 09:10 AM   #255 
                                            - Sing....sing a song...  boloboffin   Jul-09-06 11:19 AM   #261 
                                            - Buddy, Rewind and replay "Bush supporters" "neocons" "paid shills" ...  Jazz2006   Jul-09-06 12:15 PM   #268 
                                            - Funny , I didn't see him say ANY of those words.  mirandapriestly   Jul-10-06 10:05 AM   #281 
                                   - Do no truss conspiracy sites about trusses.  Carefulplease   Jul-09-06 04:36 AM   #249 
                                      - Trusses and beams.  Carefulplease   Jul-09-06 06:14 AM   #251 
                                      - You should try reading the NIST report .  dailykoff   Jul-12-06 10:37 PM   #292 
                                         - Any evidence for these joist girders?  Carefulplease   Jul-13-06 04:10 AM   #295 
                                            - I said you should read it, not believe it.  dailykoff   Jul-13-06 05:16 AM   #296 
                                               - Where did you hear about these mystery girders?  Carefulplease   Jul-13-06 04:38 PM   #302 
                                               - What tipped me off  dailykoff   Jul-13-06 06:07 PM   #303 
                          - Welcome to DU! Please provide links to support your assertions.  petgoat   Jul-07-06 01:04 PM   #160 
                             - Here is some support...  Carefulplease   Jul-07-06 10:42 PM   #180 
  - No, a realistic similulation would have the fencing at about 0.7" high,  pox americana   Oct-07-05 02:12 PM   #40 
     - Actually, no.  MercutioATC   Oct-07-05 09:23 PM   #45 
        - It would also have 60 columns per side instead of 20.  pox americana   Oct-07-05 09:56 PM   #46 
           - Absolute B.S.  MercutioATC   Oct-07-05 10:13 PM   #47 
              - Tell it to the engineers  pox americana   Oct-07-05 10:20 PM   #49 
                 - Yes, but engineers scale their experiments to real buildings...  MercutioATC   Oct-07-05 10:26 PM   #50 
                 - Let's start with the width-height ratio.  pox americana   Oct-07-05 10:39 PM   #52 
                    - You're kidding, right?  MercutioATC   Oct-07-05 11:49 PM   #58 
                       - Evidently you haven't been paying attention.  pox americana   Oct-08-05 12:13 AM   #60 
                          - Evidently, your criteria are much more lenient than mine...  MercutioATC   Oct-08-05 12:28 AM   #61 
                             - Already covered, but here's a make-up session:  pox americana   Oct-08-05 12:56 AM   #63 
                                - Actually, it's not been "covered".  MercutioATC   Oct-08-05 01:02 AM   #64 
                                   - If you want to believe Home Depot uses better steel  pox americana   Oct-08-05 01:09 AM   #65 
                                      - You're still choosing not to answer my questions.  MercutioATC   Oct-08-05 01:46 AM   #66 
                                         - Asking an obvious question repeatedly  pox americana   Oct-08-05 04:47 AM   #67 
                                            - Pretty much what I expected.  MercutioATC   Oct-09-05 01:42 AM   #76 
                                               - A valiant attempt MercutioATC....  Macadian   Jul-05-06 03:57 PM   #109 
                                                  - Consider this  Martensitic Madness   Jul-07-06 12:38 PM   #157 
                                                  - Your premise that the bolts failed is of the Zipper-Pancake epoch  petgoat   Jul-07-06 12:58 PM   #159 
                                                  - So you're going to stick with...  Macadian   Jul-07-06 01:31 PM   #162 
                                                  - Hey Mac, one PhD says the flimsy truss clips unzipped, the  petgoat   Jul-07-06 02:41 PM   #166 
                 - Perhaps you should read up on wind tunnel testing.  AZCat   Oct-07-05 10:27 PM   #51 
                    - Thanks for the suggestion. n/t  pox americana   Oct-07-05 10:41 PM   #54 
                       - You are welcome.  AZCat   Oct-07-05 11:00 PM   #56 
                       - A simple example for structural scaling.  AZCat   Oct-08-05 06:52 AM   #68 
  - While this model is not an acurate representation..  atomic-fly   Oct-06-05 08:26 AM   #15 
  - Interesting experiment.  Old and In the Way   Oct-06-05 02:23 PM   #20 
  - An issue NIST (I think I remember this) raises is that differential heat  petgoat   Oct-07-05 12:13 AM   #31 
  - Experimental confirmation of what I've long suspected:  pox americana   Oct-06-05 02:52 PM   #26 
  - Good try, but...  thewormman   Oct-07-05 05:24 AM   #36 
  - Good try, but...  thewormman   Oct-07-05 05:26 AM   #37 
  - You should see the National Geographic documentary  Frederik   Oct-07-05 10:33 AM   #38 
  - That's show biz.  pox americana   Oct-07-05 02:19 PM   #41 
     - Oh please  Frederik   Oct-07-05 03:04 PM   #42 
     - I think I'd be equally critical of both  pox americana   Oct-07-05 07:04 PM   #43 
        - The documentary  Frederik   Oct-08-05 02:57 PM   #74 
        - Logically, I'd want to get...  StrafingMoose   Oct-08-05 03:03 PM   #75 
     - When did spooked get into the engineering business???  Macadian   Jul-05-06 03:54 PM   #108 
        - A valid point, but we should hold History and National Geographic  petgoat   Jul-05-06 04:39 PM   #111 
           - Well, yes & no....  Macadian   Jul-06-06 07:57 AM   #117 
              - "Spooked has not met even the low standards"  petgoat   Jul-06-06 11:53 AM   #122 
                 - Backyard science is fine and dandy....  Macadian   Jul-06-06 12:53 PM   #130 
  - the problem  Bouvet_Island   Oct-07-05 08:09 PM   #44 
  - The analyis he posted on another thead is more convincing to me  philb   Oct-07-05 11:01 PM   #57 
  - couple of questions about your experiment...  kevinam   Oct-08-05 12:06 AM   #59 
  - None of that matters.  MercutioATC   Oct-08-05 12:32 AM   #62 
  - Good points. But one by one--  spooked911   Oct-08-05 09:26 AM   #69 
  - Third expt with a similar set-up:  spooked911   Oct-12-05 11:36 AM   #77 
  - Bravo, Spooked.  petgoat   Oct-12-05 05:03 PM   #78 
  - Thanks! I've thought about doing what you say, actually, but haven't had  spooked911   Oct-12-05 05:49 PM   #80 
  - This proves it then.  Make7   Oct-12-05 05:34 PM   #79 
  - Sorry, I didn't write that up properly. The fire was strong for about  spooked911   Oct-12-05 05:52 PM   #81 
  - Jesus! Why not try modeling your "experiment" after the actual buildings?  MercutioATC   Oct-12-05 09:19 PM   #82 
     - You're more than welcome to do your own experiment  spooked911   Oct-13-05 09:15 PM   #84 
        - No need, i'm conviced.  mike923   Jul-06-06 11:28 AM   #120 
  - Couple of points  Lithos   Oct-12-05 10:08 PM   #83 
  - It's NOT chicken wire, it is garden fencing meant to keep out rabbits. And  spooked911   Oct-13-05 09:32 PM   #85 
     - I think it's the unsupported length of the column...  AZCat   Oct-13-05 09:38 PM   #86 
  - Kick  Jazz2006   Jun-24-06 01:17 AM   #87 
  - I never saw this before.  greyl   Jun-25-06 12:09 AM   #88 
     - Bunnies  Jazz2006   Jun-25-06 12:24 AM   #89 
        - Sources tell me that spooked is a scientist.  greyl   Jun-25-06 12:37 AM   #90 
        - Sources tell me  Jazz2006   Jun-25-06 12:42 AM   #91 
        - How do we prove that we're friendly to the honest ones? nt  greyl   Jun-25-06 12:50 AM   #92 
           - Same as always, by words and actions. n/t  Jazz2006   Jun-25-06 12:54 AM   #93 
              - Take care of your goodness.  greyl   Jun-25-06 12:58 AM   #94 
                 - Always.  Jazz2006   Jun-25-06 01:01 AM   #95 
                 - That ought to be easy  mirandapriestly   Jul-07-06 07:28 PM   #176 
                    - Ohhhhh, you so totally dissed me!  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 01:18 AM   #184 
        - If you would bother to look at spooked's blog and take a  petgoat   Jun-25-06 10:57 AM   #97 
           - Thanks for your input.  Jazz2006   Jun-29-06 10:17 PM   #102 
        - Ah, there's those prize-winning emoticons again.  petgoat   Jun-25-06 10:51 AM   #96 
        - Sorry, you lose. My emoticons are bigger than yours.  petgoat   Jun-25-06 03:15 PM   #98 
           - Thanks again x2 for your input.  Jazz2006   Jun-29-06 10:21 PM   #103 
           - OMG, bwahaha.  mirandapriestly   Jul-07-06 08:28 PM   #178 
              - Thanks for your observation.  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 01:17 AM   #183 
  - Suggestion for 2 new experiments: WTC 7  Jeroen   Jun-28-06 10:03 AM   #100 
  - yep...scaling is the problem  bobby911   Jun-29-06 06:03 AM   #101 
  - WTC test  lcwilson   Jul-05-06 12:31 PM   #104 
  - Welcome to DU! :) nt  greyl   Jul-05-06 12:44 PM   #105 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-05-06 01:30 PM   #106 
  - Welcome to DU ryams!  petgoat   Jul-05-06 04:44 PM   #112 
  - Thanks...  ryams27   Jul-06-06 08:43 AM   #118 
     - That's circular reasoning.  petgoat   Jul-06-06 12:04 PM   #123 
        - Psst, they've been banned. Thanks for rolling out the red carpet  greyl   Jul-06-06 12:25 PM   #128 
           - That wasn't just a RW troll! That was Jonah his own self!  boloboffin   Jul-06-06 01:04 PM   #132 
              - You might be correct, but I'm not convinced. ;)  greyl   Jul-06-06 01:13 PM   #134 
  - Lookee here...  boloboffin   Jul-05-06 10:20 PM   #113 
     - Nice job. :)  greyl   Jul-06-06 05:33 AM   #114 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-06-06 08:45 AM   #119 
  - Please tell me you're joking.  NoiseLTD   Jul-06-06 06:48 AM   #115 
  - Welcome to DU, however  greyl   Jul-06-06 07:20 AM   #116 
     - Do you have any specific criticisms, or any constructive  petgoat   Jul-06-06 12:06 PM   #124 
     - You said "spooked's experiment proves nothing".  greyl   Jul-06-06 12:17 PM   #125 
     - See Fair Enough...  NoiseLTD   Jul-06-06 12:21 PM   #127 
     - Fair enough...  NoiseLTD   Jul-06-06 12:18 PM   #126 
        - Yep, I pretty much agree with all of that.  greyl   Jul-06-06 12:37 PM   #129 
        - links?  NoiseLTD   Jul-06-06 01:03 PM   #131 
           - Here ya go:  greyl   Jul-06-06 01:07 PM   #133 
        - "You have someone positing a conspiracy based on..."  petgoat   Jul-06-06 02:38 PM   #135 
           - well said amigo  BrokenBeyondRepair   Jul-06-06 03:19 PM   #136 
  - This confirms what I've suspected all along  enough already   Jul-06-06 04:41 PM   #137 
  - This confirms nothing  Codeine   Jul-06-06 04:52 PM   #138 
     - Yes, far too many DUers waste time because of so much...  BuddyYoung   Jul-06-06 05:04 PM   #139 
        - Don't you know any other tunes, Buddy?  boloboffin   Jul-06-06 05:18 PM   #140 
           - C'mon boloboffin, that one's getting old.  BuddyYoung   Jul-06-06 07:16 PM   #143 
              - You're telling me.  boloboffin   Jul-06-06 10:09 PM   #144 
                 - I've already told you, and so have plenty of other people.  BuddyYoung   Jul-07-06 09:49 AM   #149 
                 - You do know two songs!  boloboffin   Jul-07-06 11:27 AM   #153 
                    - Three: You forgot about "I Can See Thru OCT'er BS Clearly Now".  BuddyYoung   Jul-07-06 12:50 PM   #158 
                 - They don't need a songbook,  carlvs   Jul-07-06 10:18 AM   #150 
  - :rofl:  grytpype   Jul-06-06 05:52 PM   #141 
  - Great work! Now try a scientific experiment.  The Night Owl   Jul-06-06 06:12 PM   #142 
  - wtf?  aikoaiko   Jul-07-06 07:56 AM   #146 
  - Consider it a joke at your own risk  slackmaster   Jul-07-06 09:47 AM   #148 
  - Serious Stuff!  sighkobabl   Jul-07-06 04:36 PM   #171 
  - I'm glad the bunny got away  slackmaster   Jul-07-06 09:46 AM   #147 
  - Structural engineering  joshbetts   Jul-07-06 11:02 AM   #151 
  - what's your take on the molten steel/iron dripping out the..  BrokenBeyondRepair   Jul-07-06 12:21 PM   #156 
     - what's your take on the molten steel/iron dripping out the..  joshbetts   Jul-07-06 01:23 PM   #161 
        - serious?  BrokenBeyondRepair   Jul-07-06 01:42 PM   #163 
           - serious?  joshbetts   Jul-07-06 02:14 PM   #164 
           - the laws of physic aren't up for debate  BrokenBeyondRepair   Jul-07-06 02:59 PM   #167 
           - BrokenBeyondRepair,  joshbetts   Jul-07-06 03:13 PM   #168 
              - obviously, there is reasonable doubt  BrokenBeyondRepair   Jul-07-06 03:31 PM   #169 
           - It is disingenuous to require proof of a proposition when you  petgoat   Jul-07-06 07:10 PM   #174 
              - I'm not being disingenuous.  joshlbetts   Jul-08-06 04:31 PM   #234 
                 - Which link contains structural drawings for the WTC?  dailykoff   Jul-08-06 11:47 PM   #236 
                    - dailykoff, Here are some copies of the actual drawings and calculations.  joshlbetts   Jul-09-06 11:15 AM   #260 
                       - Thanks, that's helpful.  dailykoff   Jul-10-06 12:44 AM   #276 
           - The burning drips look a lot like burning molten plastic.  aikoaiko   Jul-07-06 06:53 PM   #172 
              - It appears to be giving off light. In my experience burning  petgoat   Jul-07-06 07:07 PM   #173 
              - this is the only image of melting plastic i could..  BrokenBeyondRepair   Jul-07-06 08:05 PM   #177 
              - Just put a plastic bag on a stick and stick over a small fire.  aikoaiko   Jul-07-06 10:05 PM   #179 
              - Sounds like an easily-tested hypothesis. Please provide  petgoat   Jul-08-06 02:30 AM   #191 
                 - I hate to break this to you, but pictures on the internet is not science.  aikoaiko   Jul-09-06 07:25 AM   #253 
                    - It proves my point. The material in the firefall at WTC2 was incandescent  petgoat   Jul-09-06 10:42 AM   #257 
                       - sorry, I don't think you don't understand what you're seeing.  aikoaiko   Jul-09-06 02:45 PM   #269 
                          - I understand what I'm seeing just fine. Maybe my diction is off.  petgoat   Jul-09-06 03:08 PM   #270 
              - "can never be proven beyond doubt"  petgoat   Jul-08-06 02:27 AM   #189 
                 - there will always be those that doubt or..  BrokenBeyondRepair   Jul-08-06 02:40 AM   #194 
                 - It looks like molten steel to me, and no alternate explanation  petgoat   Jul-08-06 02:46 AM   #197 
                    - Then take your own suggestion.  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 02:51 AM   #200 
                       - I don't need to. I already have, I've melted plastic, steel, and  petgoat   Jul-08-06 03:03 AM   #204 
                          - So post your images as you've asked others to.  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 03:09 AM   #209 
                          - Oh, and that reminds me.... epistemology  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 03:55 AM   #218 
                 - Melt steel, melt aluminum, melt plastic, pour them off a fifty foot drop..  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 02:50 AM   #198 
                    - The ball's in your court. Everyone knows plastic make flames,  petgoat   Jul-08-06 02:52 AM   #201 
                       - No, it isn't.  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 02:58 AM   #203 
                          - So take my suggestion. Let's build a bad model that endures,  petgoat   Jul-08-06 03:05 AM   #205 
                             - According to your suggestion (which you've now changed), it is so  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 03:08 AM   #208 
                                - Sorry, I got this experiment mixed up with another one I  petgoat   Jul-08-06 02:19 PM   #231 
                                   - "I'd had a few bottles of wine."  Jazz2006   Jul-12-06 01:59 AM   #291 
                                   - Have you recovered sufficiently from those "few bottles of wine" yet to  Jazz2006   Jul-13-06 02:38 AM   #294 
                                      - Nope, nor have a got photos showing rain is wet and sun is dry. nt  petgoat   Jul-13-06 11:03 AM   #300 
                                         - I'm not surprised that you haven't backed up what you said.  Jazz2006   Jul-13-06 09:48 PM   #307 
              - Couldn't it be aluminum from the airplane that was burnt up inside the  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 01:29 AM   #185 
                 - unlikely..  BrokenBeyondRepair   Jul-08-06 02:29 AM   #190 
                    - That's not convincing.  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 02:45 AM   #196 
                       - Aluminium melts at 600 degrees, at which point it is silvery,  petgoat   Jul-08-06 02:50 AM   #199 
                          - Sorry, but I'm not convinced by your say so that it could not have  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 02:57 AM   #202 
                          - Pffft. nt  petgoat   Jul-08-06 03:07 AM   #206 
                             - I didn't expect you to be able to respond meaningfully.  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 03:11 AM   #210 
                                - Pfft.  petgoat   Jul-08-06 03:12 AM   #212 
                                   - Pfft is right!  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 03:16 AM   #213 
                                   - Oh, an edit which I should respond to, I see.  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 03:31 AM   #215 
                          - Pearls at Swine, PG...nt  mirandapriestly   Jul-09-06 02:41 AM   #238 
                             - LOL.  Jazz2006   Jul-09-06 02:56 AM   #241 
  - This is pretty funny  capt havermeyer   Jul-07-06 11:17 AM   #152 
  - Science Experiment  TheRealSwede   Jul-07-06 12:05 PM   #155 
  - Fantastic  JudgeSmails   Jul-07-06 02:16 PM   #165 
  - Test Explosive Demolition Hypothesis  what the   Jul-07-06 03:54 PM   #170 
  - Now that's funny! Let's try the thermate hypothesis instead, ok? nt  petgoat   Jul-07-06 07:11 PM   #175 
  - Blacksmith's forge  what the   Jul-10-06 04:25 PM   #287 
     - Charcoal forges have forced air. They also have.... charcoal.  petgoat   Jul-13-06 01:30 AM   #293 
        - Heat conduction etc.  what the   Jul-14-06 08:31 PM   #309 
           - You stole those words from my mouth...  Carefulplease   Jul-15-06 12:46 AM   #310 
  - LOL ~ good one!  Jazz2006   Jul-08-06 01:39 AM   #186 
  - You guys are nuts  allfathersgodi   Jul-07-06 11:19 PM   #182 
  - Sorry, doesn't prove a thing either way.  rman   Jul-08-06 02:22 AM   #188 
  - Ahhhh, you're getting to the synthesis.  petgoat   Jul-08-06 02:35 AM   #192 
     - Not just any model  rman   Jul-08-06 02:38 AM   #193 
        - Not necessarily. Building bad models can be helpful to  petgoat   Jul-08-06 02:43 AM   #195 
           - What's a good model, how do you know it's good?  rman   Jul-08-06 03:08 AM   #207 
           - "I doubt that any of us has the means"  petgoat   Jul-08-06 03:11 AM   #211 
              - We can't go on unverifiable information  rman   Jul-08-06 03:31 AM   #214 
                 - We don't have the means to model it accurately.  petgoat   Jul-08-06 02:27 PM   #232 
                    - it'd not be a known error because we have no reference,  rman   Jul-09-06 02:29 AM   #237 
                       - I didn't mean a "known error" as in a "measured" or  petgoat   Jul-09-06 10:46 AM   #258 
                          - np. However,  rman   Jul-09-06 11:24 PM   #271 
                             - We can't know how large the error is until we experiment and  petgoat   Jul-13-06 11:01 AM   #299 
                                - Fine procedure for challenging the Titanic hoax.  Carefulplease   Jul-15-06 01:52 AM   #311 
                                   - New kid in town, posting like the old OCT'ers in town. Imagine that!  BuddyYoung   Jul-15-06 10:42 AM   #312 
                                      - Glass houses, Mr. June 26th. n/t  boloboffin   Jul-15-06 10:50 AM   #313 
                                      - See post #314  BuddyYoung   Jul-16-06 09:20 PM   #315 
                                      - You know...  salvorhardin   Jul-16-06 08:28 PM   #314 
           - The press might be interested...  Carefulplease   Jul-08-06 12:38 PM   #229 
  - The Stupidity of the Left  allfathersgodi   Jul-08-06 12:21 PM   #228 
  - Good point, but I'd like to think some Democrats and  petgoat   Jul-08-06 01:04 PM   #230 
  - Actually quite a few GOP have come out  mirandapriestly   Jul-09-06 03:02 AM   #243 
  - is this a joke?  omenapoint   Jul-08-06 03:18 PM   #233 
  - You are an idiot  demfool   Jul-08-06 04:40 PM   #235 
  - See how easy it is  mirandapriestly   Jul-09-06 11:27 AM   #264 
     - And who would suspect that anyone with a screen name  rman   Jul-09-06 11:27 PM   #272 
        - Surely, just another one of those totally unexpected COINCIDENCES. nt  BuddyYoung   Jul-09-06 11:36 PM   #273 
        - Are you saying that  mirandapriestly   Jul-09-06 11:44 PM   #274 
           - Incredible and unprecedented as it may seem,  rman   Jul-09-06 11:50 PM   #275 
              - I'm shocked.nt  mirandapriestly   Jul-10-06 10:09 AM   #283 
  - You are famous  Stella_Artois   Jul-09-06 06:53 AM   #252 
  - So I'e heard. Although I'm not really clear why what I did is so  spooked911   Jul-09-06 08:54 AM   #254 
  - Those people don't talk for all of us  DrDebug   Jul-09-06 11:21 AM   #262 
  - I agree.  Old and In the Way   Jul-09-06 11:28 AM   #265 
  - What is the saying  mirandapriestly   Jul-09-06 11:29 AM   #266 
  - what's funny to me is how they point to this experiment  spooked911   Jul-09-06 11:39 AM   #267 
     - Because those of us living in NYC  emMingo   Jul-10-06 09:30 AM   #277 
     - uh-huh, sure you did.  mirandapriestly   Jul-10-06 09:58 AM   #279 
     - Different reasons, depending on where one is coming from  BuddyYoung   Jul-10-06 09:50 AM   #278 
     - They NEVER post on the threads  mirandapriestly   Jul-10-06 09:59 AM   #280 
     - I hadn't noticed that, but you are certainly right. A jazz bump, then  BuddyYoung   Jul-10-06 01:29 PM   #285 
     - Lol ~ that must be it.  Jazz2006   Jul-11-06 02:30 AM   #289 
     - Once they saw these pictures, there was no need to look for  boloboffin   Jul-10-06 11:48 AM   #284 
     - It's could be the footwear.  Jazz2006   Jul-11-06 02:25 AM   #288 
  - I think you did it with the full knowledge of the results  Generarth   Jul-14-06 08:25 AM   #308 
  - Those who say that about DU are going to say it anyway  mirandapriestly   Jul-09-06 11:23 AM   #263 
     - Who knows  Stella_Artois   Jul-10-06 03:03 PM   #286 
        - Spooked is not claiming the rabbit cage experiment  petgoat   Jul-13-06 10:53 AM   #298 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-09-06 09:15 AM   #256 
  - LMAO...Can you say "not to scale"  Freedom_Aflaim   Jul-11-06 11:09 AM   #290 
  - Not to scale is right.  petgoat   Jul-13-06 10:51 AM   #297 
     - How?!  boolean   Jul-13-06 02:53 PM   #301 
        - Welcome to DU, Boolean  petgoat   Jul-13-06 06:31 PM   #304 
           - Now it's my turn  boolean   Jul-13-06 07:26 PM   #305 
              - Ok  petgoat   Jul-13-06 07:55 PM   #306 
  - You REALLY need to find a different hobby. Just friendly advice.  Redstone   Jul-16-06 09:23 PM   #316 
  - Locking  Lithos   Jul-16-06 09:32 PM   #317 
 

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