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Wed Sep-21-05 11:46 AM
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| 3. I understand what you are saying, but even you are saying that the columns |
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could not have failed all at once-- rather there would be shifting of strain, some elasiticty and plasticity to the columns but eventually they succumb to the strain. Which is what I was saying. It is ludicrous that all the columns would give way at the same time
But since you seem to undewrstand the collapse so well, perhaps you could explain to me the following:
1) when floor 97 collapsed, how many columns were weakened by the fire? Where were they?
2) Did the floor come detached from its bracings before or after the column failure, or did it stay attached to the core and outer columns during the collapse?
3) why did the floor collapse occur symmetrically and why wasn't there a partial collapse on one side first?
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| - Questions About the Pancake Theory for the WTC North Tower Collapse |
spooked911 |
Sep-21-05 06:59 AM |
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Why is it ludicrous? |
AZCat |
Sep-21-05 07:35 AM |
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Translation: because the TeeVee tells me so. |
pox americana |
Sep-21-05 10:53 AM |
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I have absolutely no idea what you mean. |
AZCat |
Sep-21-05 04:39 PM |
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Come on now, confess. |
pox americana |
Sep-22-05 09:06 PM |
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Actually... |
AZCat |
Sep-22-05 09:37 PM |
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Well don't be the last on your block to get one. |
pox americana |
Sep-22-05 09:46 PM |
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That I did see. |
AZCat |
Sep-22-05 09:52 PM |
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Okay then think carefully about what you saw. |
pox americana |
Sep-22-05 10:02 PM |
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I don't know who Leslie Robertson is. |
AZCat |
Sep-22-05 10:08 PM |
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He was a lead WTC structural engineer, now a Princeton professor. |
pox americana |
Sep-22-05 10:51 PM |
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Now that you mention it... |
AZCat |
Sep-23-05 06:48 AM |
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The NOVA program may be available on DVD in a library near you, |
petgoat |
Sep-23-05 04:20 PM |
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Again - no tv. n/t |
AZCat |
Sep-24-05 11:33 AM |
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I understand what you are saying, but even you are saying that the columns |
spooked911 |
Sep-21-05 11:46 AM |
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Perhaps I wasn't clear |
AZCat |
Sep-21-05 04:42 PM |
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Again, can anyone explain how a pancake collapse of one floor started the |
spooked911 |
Sep-22-05 09:53 PM |
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It's the difference between a mass at rest vs at motion |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-23-05 07:20 AM |
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You are not answering the question. I asked how the pancake collapse |
spooked911 |
Sep-23-05 11:53 AM |
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I take it then you don't disagree with anything I posted? |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-23-05 01:20 PM |
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What is there to disagree with in your post #15? That is common sense. |
spooked911 |
Sep-23-05 03:14 PM |
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Why wouldn't it cause the building to collapse? |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-23-05 03:37 PM |
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still not interested in answering the question, I see. |
spooked911 |
Sep-23-05 10:21 PM |
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Its been answered over and over |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-24-05 05:51 AM |
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No, this question has not been answered. |
pox americana |
Sep-24-05 08:46 AM |
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Once more with feeling: HOW DID THE CORE COLLAPSE EARLY ON? |
spooked911 |
Sep-24-05 09:59 AM |
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How couldn't it? |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-28-05 04:13 PM |
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Don't you have any more details than that? |
spooked911 |
Sep-29-05 09:57 AM |
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Initial |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-30-05 06:32 AM |
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They have no details on how the progressive collapse proceeded past the |
spooked911 |
Sep-30-05 10:11 AM |
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Kidding right? |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-30-05 12:07 PM |
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"try that brick experiment" |
petgoat |
Sep-30-05 12:20 PM |
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I meant the one I suggested |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-30-05 01:03 PM |
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Not kidding. I see once again you cannot answer my question. |
spooked911 |
Sep-30-05 09:27 PM |
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Yes |
vincent_vega_lives |
Oct-04-05 04:00 PM |
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"burn my yard down" |
petgoat |
Oct-04-05 04:21 PM |
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maybe you mean momentum. |
rman |
Sep-24-05 06:02 AM |
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If it is assumed that the initial failure was a top block of floors |
philb |
Sep-25-05 09:34 AM |
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That's a good question. |
pox americana |
Sep-27-05 10:24 PM |
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"pancaking" is a misnomer |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-28-05 04:18 PM |
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Yes, but a conveniently deceptive one. |
pox americana |
Sep-30-05 11:02 PM |
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Another question: if every floor "pancaked," every column buckled. |
pox americana |
Sep-25-05 09:35 AM |
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Its what you are seeing when you watch a video of the building |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-28-05 04:23 PM |
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"the perimeter columns being smashed outward," |
petgoat |
Sep-28-05 06:33 PM |
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Correction |
LARED |
Sep-28-05 07:34 PM |
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"NIST has photographic evidence that the perimeter columns bowed inward" |
petgoat |
Sep-29-05 01:35 PM |
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Only just prior to the collapse obviously! |
vincent_vega_lives |
Sep-30-05 06:35 AM |
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