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66. Impossible. It would be like surviving in the cockpit
in an airline crash. If pancaking occurred like the FEMA/NIST reports claim it did, the bottom floors would have gotten squashed the flattest.
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  -City to Release Thousands of Firefighter Oral Histories of 9/11 Today philb  Aug-12-05 11:04 PM   #0 
  - Does anyone plan to go through and compile the info from the tapes?  philb   Aug-13-05 08:39 AM   #1 
  - More of the documentation  philb   Aug-13-05 07:01 PM   #2 
     - Some of the information is blacked out. What was blacked out and  philb   Aug-13-05 09:43 PM   #5 
     - Most of statements I've seen were taken by FDNY "commanders' who seem to  philb   Aug-14-05 09:01 AM   #15 
        - Dr. G. Asaeda, lots of info blacked out, why would that be?  philb   Aug-14-05 09:36 AM   #16 
     - No debris from first plane; and some firefighters survived WTC1 collapse  philb   Aug-19-05 07:49 PM   #62 
        - How could people in the tower survive in a pancake collapse? (n/t)  philb   Aug-19-05 07:55 PM   #63 
        - Were they in the stairwell in the core w/ massive columns around? n/t  petgoat   Aug-19-05 08:01 PM   #65 
        - It appears that was where they were (n/t)  philb   Aug-21-05 11:20 PM   #102 
        - Impossible. It would be like surviving in the cockpit  pox americana   Aug-19-05 08:14 PM   #66 
        - Not True  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-21-05 08:38 AM   #88 
           - Ahem, you're arguing against yourself.  pox americana   Aug-21-05 04:07 PM   #98 
        - This might be their story, per Stone Phillips interview; sounds similar  philb   Aug-21-05 03:32 PM   #95 
        - WTC2 wasn't total collapse; some in lobby survived; and not in core  philb   Aug-26-05 07:05 AM   #119 
        - What does parts of lobby of WTC2 surviving imply? Why did it not get  philb   Aug-26-05 07:06 AM   #120 
        - Several more survivors of WTC2 collapse - in the lobby  philb   Aug-29-05 10:39 PM   #139 
        - Another report of the survivors of WTC1 collapse by firefighter  philb   Aug-27-05 11:33 AM   #131 
           - Firefighter reports civilian on 7th floor of WTC1 survived the collapse  philb   Aug-28-05 05:03 PM   #133 
  - Fireman Sean Brown- appearance of explosion in lobby/basement area  philb   Aug-13-05 07:41 PM   #3 
  - Yes, I have seen several references to that  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 02:57 AM   #11 
  - NY Policemen reported explosions at ground level  philb   Aug-27-05 09:09 AM   #123 
  - Fireman Tim Brown- WTC2- generated wind about 75 mph when collapsed  philb   Aug-13-05 08:11 PM   #4 
  - Heavy debris from towers was hurled over 2 blocks in some cases; how?  philb   Aug-24-05 10:27 PM   #116 
  - James Drury FDNY - sounded like bombs going off in WTC1  philb   Aug-13-05 09:57 PM   #6 
  - What caused the boom,boom,boom,boom at WTC1?  philb   Aug-18-05 09:32 PM   #57 
  - boom boom boom boom  petgoat   Aug-19-05 07:58 PM   #64 
     - boom boom boom  petgoat   Aug-21-05 03:25 AM   #86 
     - The cutter charges shown in videos were about every 4 floors (n/t)  philb   Aug-21-05 03:41 PM   #96 
  - I heard the explosion, looked up, and saw 3 floors explode  philb   Aug-22-05 11:35 PM   #109 
     - NY Police & another Fireman- WTC2 exploded at the top  philb   Aug-27-05 09:20 AM   #124 
  - There isn't a statement there by Lou Cacchioli or Tommy Hedsal.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-13-05 10:55 PM   #7 
  - I've only had time to read 4 or 5 statements so far  philb   Aug-13-05 11:06 PM   #8 
  - Lt. Neil Brosan, FDNY - his company hit by explosion in WTC1  philb   Aug-13-05 11:08 PM   #9 
     - WHOA! you're finding all the good ones. NT  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 03:07 AM   #12 
     - WTC1 Ground level explosion before it fell  philb   Aug-19-05 09:50 PM   #67 
     - More reports of ground level explosions  philb   Aug-27-05 07:15 AM   #122 
        - A whole bank of elevators was working in WTC1- transporting firemen  philb   Aug-28-05 05:10 PM   #134 
     - Brosnan event in WTC1 lobby was likely due to WTC2 "collapse"  philb   Sep-05-05 02:38 PM   #147 
  - John O'Neill checking out the FBI Offices before he was killed?  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 08:54 AM   #28 
     - I've seen several of the fireman statements talking about this damage  philb   Aug-28-05 05:22 PM   #136 
     - I believe this is one of the ones about devastation on that floor  philb   Aug-28-05 11:17 PM   #138 
        - Here is another;  philb   Sep-04-05 10:48 PM   #146 
     - The elevators in WTC1 that were blasted were lower level elevators  philb   Sep-05-05 05:46 PM   #148 
        - Were both Port Authority and FBI on this floor?  philb   Sep-08-05 09:24 PM   #150 
  - another report of wind blast & rubble on 4th floor of WTC1  philb   Aug-14-05 12:19 AM   #10 
  - Great work Philb! n/t  seatnineb   Aug-14-05 07:57 AM   #13 
  - What caused the damage on 5th and 6th floor of WTC1?  philb   Aug-28-05 05:19 PM   #135 
  - Seems like at WTC, a lot of the plane debris was outside the building  philb   Aug-14-05 08:45 AM   #14 
  - P. Ashby -EMT thought he saw something like a missile shot at WTC  philb   Aug-14-05 10:49 AM   #17 
  - articles, pictures, videos of the Woolworth Building missiles; and backgro  philb   Aug-14-05 12:02 PM   #18 
  - This is a copy of one of the sites above that is hard to read at URL  philb   Aug-16-05 10:53 PM   #46 
  - also one of the police reports  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 02:58 PM   #23 
  - P. Falluca, firefighter.... talks about rockets from the Woolworth Bldg.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 12:55 PM   #32 
  - Has anyone looked at the Danish Video? See my post re: Woolworth  philb   Aug-20-05 08:06 PM   #80 
  - What does a missile or rocket sound like?? Similar to a jet engine?  philb   Aug-27-05 09:52 AM   #127 
  - sounded like incoming missile before collapse- WTC2 firefighter  philb   Aug-22-05 11:00 PM   #106 
  - Frank Campagna, FDNY experienced explosions in WTC1  philb   Aug-14-05 12:22 PM   #19 
  - LIEUTENANT JOHN CITARELLA FDNY WTC1 explosion before collapse  philb   Aug-19-05 11:19 PM   #72 
  - When firemen first arrived, some elevators worked, little damage, what ha  philb   Aug-23-05 12:03 AM   #110 
     - More reports: WTC1 lobby ok when FD arrived; devastated later  philb   Aug-24-05 10:56 PM   #118 
  - What would have caused the WTC1 tower to shoot up, then down?  philb   Aug-24-05 10:44 PM   #117 
     - NY Police reported explosions in upper level/top of WTC1  philb   Aug-27-05 09:25 AM   #126 
        - Firefighter reports WTC1 top mushroomed out. What caused it?  philb   Aug-28-05 05:26 PM   #137 
  - I've looked at the As on the page with list, and some Bs & Cs that  philb   Aug-14-05 01:07 PM   #20 
  - FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BANACISKI WTC2- explosions before collapse  philb   Aug-14-05 01:26 PM   #21 
  - EMT-P ANDRE CHERRINGTON WTC2 Big boom before it fell  philb   Aug-19-05 10:33 PM   #70 
  - The big boom was about 1-2 minutes before it fell.  janedoe   Aug-19-05 11:19 PM   #71 
     - A lot of the firemen statements say something happened  philb   Aug-20-05 03:55 PM   #73 
        - More firemen thought there were explosions & huge chunk fell off WTC2  philb   Aug-29-05 11:23 PM   #140 
           - And people say there's no smoking gun?  pox americana   Aug-29-05 11:39 PM   #141 
  - WTC2 exploded from about midway up the building & controlled dem.  philb   Aug-22-05 11:03 PM   #107 
  - squib explosions all around one floor as in controlled dem. movie  philb   Aug-23-05 10:23 PM   #114 
  - More firefighter reports of explosions before WTC2 fell  philb   Aug-27-05 07:07 AM   #121 
  - WCT2 firemen report jet sounds, tipling,explosions. What caused that sound  philb   Aug-28-05 04:59 PM   #132 
     - What was the jet sound heard by many at WTC before towers "collapsed"  philb   Aug-30-05 08:51 PM   #142 
  - WTC2- large explosion below plane impact area before the collapse  philb   Aug-31-05 11:28 PM   #143 
  - What caused the facade of WTC2 to separate, or the big tilt  philb   Aug-22-05 11:21 PM   #108 
  - summary compilation of firefighter statements begun at:  philb   Aug-14-05 02:32 PM   #22 
  - It is so damned obvious there were bombs  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 03:03 PM   #24 
  - FIREFIGHTER BERTRAM SPRINGSTEAD . . .  Klimmer   Aug-15-05 02:41 AM   #25 
  - Still reading, but the FBI had offices in the North Tower.Read my post #7.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 08:35 AM   #26 
  - Man, that is a loaded one  mirandapriestly   Aug-15-05 08:41 AM   #27 
  - More thought about the elevators . . .  Klimmer   Aug-15-05 09:35 AM   #30 
  - Website on what happens when all the cables on an elevator break . . .  Klimmer   Aug-15-05 01:07 PM   #33 
     - Some elevators were working at WTC1  philb   Sep-02-05 07:44 PM   #145 
  - WTC1 lobby and elevators were ok early  philb   Aug-20-05 08:52 PM   #82 
     - Request  janedoe   Aug-20-05 09:11 PM   #83 
        - I didn't do that when I collected snips. Someone could look at the main  philb   Sep-08-05 09:01 PM   #149 
  - philb, you are doing great work! Thank you! I have a question about  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 08:57 AM   #29 
  - This one; is it the only one blacked out? Which are you using  philb   Aug-15-05 11:57 AM   #31 
     - OK, I just didn't read some of those interviews. Thanks! n/t  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 01:36 PM   #34 
  - Brian Becker, FDNY blast in lobby of WTC1- away from WTC2  philb   Aug-15-05 02:09 PM   #36 
  - Arresting an Arab-looking guy????  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 02:30 PM   #37 
  - I remember articles about there being a question after 9/11 of  philb   Aug-15-05 04:10 PM   #38 
     - I hadn't heard of this arrest either, and did hear of the Israelis.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 04:53 PM   #39 
        - The "Dancing Israelis" were observed across the Hudson at Liberty Park;  petgoat   Aug-15-05 05:34 PM   #40 
           - I saw fireman report of FBI arresting an arab wearing a suit walking  philb   Aug-27-05 10:04 AM   #128 
  - firefighters leaving WTC1 find lobby blasted  philb   Aug-19-05 10:22 PM   #69 
  - How many minutes did it take for WTC2 to collapse??? Jody Bell, EMT  philb   Aug-15-05 08:45 PM   #41 
  - By chance the 1st I opened was EDWARD CACHIA  jbnow   Aug-15-05 09:27 PM   #43 
  - thanks for post. I can't do them all. But we need a system. So many. n/t  philb   Aug-15-05 09:39 PM   #45 
  - Good One, Careful Reading Finds The Gems Of Truth  Christophera   Aug-18-05 01:32 AM   #53 
  - Another fireman says WTC2 took several minutes to collapse  philb   Aug-15-05 09:34 PM   #44 
  - EMT: WTC2 explosions & falls in 2 stages  philb   Aug-19-05 09:53 PM   #68 
  - Wow - thanks for this thread, philb and everyone else  meganmonkey   Aug-15-05 09:26 PM   #42 
  - unlike news and 9/11 report statements, a lot of the firemen radios worked  philb   Aug-16-05 11:42 PM   #47 
  - "I saw low-level flashes" and then it looked like the building came down  rumpel   Aug-17-05 01:59 AM   #48 
  - BTW I can not find Lieutenant Evangelista's testimony..  rumpel   Aug-17-05 06:08 PM   #49 
  - Wow-- this is an amazing one-- controlled demo for sure.  spooked911   Aug-20-05 04:35 PM   #75 
  - Richard Boeri FDNY WTC2 - crackling & explosion before collapse  philb   Aug-17-05 08:39 PM   #50 
  - red flashes and explosions before WTC1 "collapsed"  philb   Aug-19-05 12:03 AM   #61 
  - WTC2- Krakling; IT SOUNDED LIKE A MILLION FIRECRACKERS  philb   Aug-20-05 07:51 PM   #79 
  - Fireman, lots of info blanked out & missile attack had been reported  philb   Aug-17-05 09:24 PM   #51 
  - EMT reports 3 loud explosions before WTC1 collapsed  philb   Aug-17-05 09:56 PM   #52 
  - did the firemen hear explosions (or pancaking ) when the buildings fell?  philb   Aug-18-05 09:03 PM   #54 
  - Its obvious watching media and other influences affected the  philb   Aug-18-05 09:09 PM   #55 
  - I've noticed that  mirandapriestly   Aug-18-05 11:30 PM   #59 
  - FIREFIGHTER FERNANDO CAMACHO WTC2 Explosions  philb   Aug-18-05 09:14 PM   #56 
     - Explosions at WTC2 John Coyle, Fire Marshall  philb   Aug-21-05 12:07 AM   #84 
     - WTC2 thunderous sound, then sway, then collapse; and debris set him  philb   Aug-21-05 12:41 AM   #85 
     - PARAMEDIC KEVIN DARNOWSKI 3 Explosions heard before WTC2 fell  philb   Aug-21-05 12:51 PM   #91 
     - FATHER JOHN DELENDICK FDNY bombs & explosions before WTC2 fell  philb   Aug-21-05 02:04 PM   #94 
     - 4 more firemen thought there were explosions at WTC2 before it fell  philb   Aug-21-05 07:06 PM   #99 
        - 2 more firemen thought there were explosions at WTC2  philb   Aug-21-05 09:16 PM   #101 
  - Where did the plane debris and bodies end up? How many of the  philb   Aug-18-05 10:26 PM   #58 
  - I was trying to figure that out, too. From what I have read so far, FD  rumpel   Aug-18-05 11:39 PM   #60 
     - It would be really important if we could find out from these histories  spooked911   Aug-20-05 04:37 PM   #76 
        - landing gear from plane that hit WTC2 was in parking lot outside  philb   Aug-20-05 07:23 PM   #78 
        - but it seems, the "jumpers" are co-mingled with the possible plane victims  rumpel   Aug-23-05 12:29 AM   #111 
  - Funny how LARED, M-ATC, Make7, Hack89 have nothing to say about this  spooked911   Aug-20-05 04:30 PM   #74 
  - Shoot, you know the routine by now.  LARED   Aug-20-05 07:16 PM   #77 
  - Is that the best you got?  seatnineb   Aug-21-05 02:00 PM   #93 
  - Very Good Observation. Is It Cognitive Failure, Denial, Or Subterfuge?  Christophera   Aug-20-05 08:17 PM   #81 
  - It's funny how things work out sometimes  LARED   Aug-21-05 07:45 AM   #87 
     - LMAO  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-21-05 08:41 AM   #89 
     - Must Be Subterfuge Because MANY Saw Concrete Core And Wrote Of It. USENET!  Christophera   Aug-21-05 01:09 PM   #92 
  - Since there are eyewitnesses.....  Make7   Aug-22-05 05:46 AM   #103 
     - Some pentagon eye-witnesses contradict themselves and eachother n/t  seatnineb   Aug-22-05 08:32 AM   #104 
     - There are witnesses here that the plane that hit WTC2 was big jet  philb   Aug-22-05 08:54 PM   #105 
        - Yes, where and when they saw Chief Ganci...  rumpel   Aug-23-05 12:33 AM   #112 
        - Are you fucking kidding me?  Make7   Aug-23-05 08:14 AM   #113 
           - have you ever witnessed one yourself?  spooked911   Aug-27-05 09:22 AM   #125 
           - I'm talking relative degrees of loudness.  philb   Aug-27-05 10:12 AM   #129 
  - Which plane did this fuselage come from and how the wheel get this far ?  philb   Aug-21-05 12:32 PM   #90 
  - 2nd plane hits & piece of a plane on Liberty St  philb   Aug-21-05 07:48 PM   #100 
  - Excellent, important work, philb!  woody b   Aug-21-05 03:44 PM   #97 
  - I've grouped the firemen statements about the planes into category types:  philb   Sep-14-05 09:14 PM   #151 
  - People above both crashes survived/walked down stairs; why not more?  philb   Aug-24-05 10:15 PM   #115 
  - what was the high pitched, jet type sound before towers "collapsed"?  philb   Aug-27-05 10:18 AM   #130 
     - Another fireman thought he heard jet sound before WTC2 "collapsed"  philb   Aug-31-05 11:34 PM   #144 

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