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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 02:41 AM
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25. FIREFIGHTER BERTRAM SPRINGSTEAD . . .
(My personal comments in parantheses)


WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW
FIREFIGHTER BERTRAM SPRINGSTEAD

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_...



We were driving down, sirens the whole way down. We get there. We stepped off the rig, and I

look up and I noticed that both towers were on fire now. We didnt realize at the time that another

plane had hit. We didnt see it and couldnt hear it while responding. I just figured the other tower

was on fire from stuff flying from the other building. So we really didnt know there was a second plane

<snip>

We stepped off the rig, and there were plane engine parts and people yelling and screaming.We stepped off and noticed the two towers on fire.

We started walking down Vesey towards West Street. Our assignment was tower one,


<snip>


Now were looking up as were going in, and we go into the lobby and theres everybody. Von

Essens there. The Mayors there. Everybodys at this command post, everyone in white hats. We

were standing there at the command post, waiting for our assignment.


<snip>


thats when tower two must have started coming down. The building started shaking, a tremendous rumbling. Light bulbs were falling out. File cabinets were tipping over.

We were in that corner of tower one thats kind of close to tower two where they kind
of like point at each other there. Thats the corner we were in. I dont know what the hell was going on, but whatever it was, it was right outside the window that we were standing like five feet from.

Some guys were diving on the floor. Some guys were -- I just took off for the other side. I said whatever was going on was on that side. I said Im getting to the other side of the building. I started running.

We got to that side of the building. I didnt see Casey, but he told me he dove on the floor first. Then when he saw me run by, he said, That looks like a good idea. Maybe Ill go with Bert and get to the other side. Casey got him to the stairwell. He said, Lets get the hell out of here. I said, Hold on, hold on, Case. I dont even know what that was. Lets regroup here. First weve got to go back and get our stuff.

We had taken our coats off. We dont have any tools. We dont have our masks. I said, Lets go back, get our stuff. I said, First of all, Brogan is still back there. Were responsible for him now. I said, Lets go see if we can find Derek.

We get back there. It was dark. Most of the light bulbs had fallen off, so you really couldnt see much. I guess it was from the dust cloud outside there was no light coming in. We didnt know at the time. We just thought it was another plane or something, another explosion or whatever. We really didnt know what it was.

<snip>

So we started going down. We made our way to the stair. Then it was just a slow walk down, as slow a 20 floors as you can walk. You took a step, you took another step, took a step. You got to each landing, you opened the door, Anybody else here? Lets go. Everybody out. You let a couple people in front of you, another step.



(What the Hell is the the FBI doing there, office space? And how come he knows so much???)


We just happened to be on the staircase with an FBI guy. He had an FBI jacket on. He turns around to me and goes, Weve got to get out of here. I said, What are you talking about? Were getting out. Lets go. Everybodys walking out. He said, No, you dont understand. Theres more planes coming. I said, What the hell are you talking about, more planes? He said, Theres two more planes on the way for these buildings. What do you mean, two more planes? I didnt even know there was more than one plane at this point. We didnt know there was a second plane.

(Seems like this agent had a lot of inside information, even though the other aircraft were not headed toward the WTC towers . . . and just how would he know that 2 more aircraft are involved ???)

We came to the lobby, and the lobby was a disaster. It never registered that the other

building had collapsed. We came outside, and we walked the same way we came in. We went back to the -- you didnt go through the doors. All the glass was broken on the ground floor when we came in the first time, I guess from the elevators collapsing or I dont know. All the glass was gone.

So we were walking through the plate glass along the wall. We slowly walked our way out towards the sidewalk, making sure that no jumpers were landing on us.

<snip>

So I started my way back in underneath that foot bridge right on the corner of Vesey and Church, the same way we walked in. There were a couple rigs there. There was a guy with a bullhorn, a chief. I thought he was a chief. He had a white shirt on. I dont remember if he had a
helmet on. But he had a bullhorn, a guy with a bullhorn.

(Now how would the guy with a bullhorn know that everyone had to get out of there? Sure Tower 2 had just collapsed, but how does that foretell that Tower 1 is going to collapse?)

He was yelling, Clear the area. Clear the area. I really wasnt listening to him. I was kind of walking by. He stopped me. He grabbed me. He said, Youve got to get out of here. I said, Chief, Im missing three guys. He said, Everybody coming out Im sending this way. Theyre probably out already. Go up this way. Everybody is going up this way. I said, Look, Chief, they might be right here. He said, Get the -- out of here now. He had me by my shoulder and he kind of shoed me away.
All right. So now Im doing the same thing. Im looking around. Theres firemen all over the place now. Im looking at each guy and Im going over to guys. Its not really registering. The street is a disaster. Theres stuff all over the street.

I was just by the other side of that foot bridge, I guess. You heard somebody, turned around and looked up, and I saw a big section of the facade coming down, straight down. I said,

Holy shit, and I took off up West Street, north on West Street, just ran as far as I could, which wasnt too far before the dust cloud took you out and stuff was hitting you and banging off your mask and your helmet and, geez, what the fucks going on, you know?

<snip>

Q. I just want to ask you a couple questions that I jotted down while you were talking.
What position did you have? Do you remember?

A. OV.

Q.You were the OV. Okay. Did you get any sense that the elevators were running at any time when you got there or at any time was there any talk about --

(The following seems like it can be evidence of explosions . . .)

A. The elevator doors were blown off.

Q. Blown off?

A. Yeah. You could see they were a disaster.

Q. Was there evidence of fire or smoke in that area? Did you get the sense that fire had been in that shaft or was in that shaft, the elevator shaft?

A. No, no, I never thought - I just assumed that they must have plummeted from being cut --

Q. I see.

(More evidence of explosions . . . the aircraft hitting above wouldnt knock-out the lobby windows, but explosives would.)

A. The airplane just -- thats probably why the plate glass was blown off too. We didnt walk through the doors; we walked through -- all the glass in the lobby was out.

Q. Even when you got there?

A. Yeah. So we walked through the glass to get into the building.



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  -City to Release Thousands of Firefighter Oral Histories of 9/11 Today philb  Aug-12-05 11:04 PM   #0 
  - Does anyone plan to go through and compile the info from the tapes?  philb   Aug-13-05 08:39 AM   #1 
  - More of the documentation  philb   Aug-13-05 07:01 PM   #2 
     - Some of the information is blacked out. What was blacked out and  philb   Aug-13-05 09:43 PM   #5 
     - Most of statements I've seen were taken by FDNY "commanders' who seem to  philb   Aug-14-05 09:01 AM   #15 
        - Dr. G. Asaeda, lots of info blacked out, why would that be?  philb   Aug-14-05 09:36 AM   #16 
     - No debris from first plane; and some firefighters survived WTC1 collapse  philb   Aug-19-05 07:49 PM   #62 
        - How could people in the tower survive in a pancake collapse? (n/t)  philb   Aug-19-05 07:55 PM   #63 
        - Were they in the stairwell in the core w/ massive columns around? n/t  petgoat   Aug-19-05 08:01 PM   #65 
        - It appears that was where they were (n/t)  philb   Aug-21-05 11:20 PM   #102 
        - Impossible. It would be like surviving in the cockpit  pox americana   Aug-19-05 08:14 PM   #66 
        - Not True  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-21-05 08:38 AM   #88 
           - Ahem, you're arguing against yourself.  pox americana   Aug-21-05 04:07 PM   #98 
        - This might be their story, per Stone Phillips interview; sounds similar  philb   Aug-21-05 03:32 PM   #95 
        - WTC2 wasn't total collapse; some in lobby survived; and not in core  philb   Aug-26-05 07:05 AM   #119 
        - What does parts of lobby of WTC2 surviving imply? Why did it not get  philb   Aug-26-05 07:06 AM   #120 
        - Several more survivors of WTC2 collapse - in the lobby  philb   Aug-29-05 10:39 PM   #139 
        - Another report of the survivors of WTC1 collapse by firefighter  philb   Aug-27-05 11:33 AM   #131 
           - Firefighter reports civilian on 7th floor of WTC1 survived the collapse  philb   Aug-28-05 05:03 PM   #133 
  - Fireman Sean Brown- appearance of explosion in lobby/basement area  philb   Aug-13-05 07:41 PM   #3 
  - Yes, I have seen several references to that  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 02:57 AM   #11 
  - NY Policemen reported explosions at ground level  philb   Aug-27-05 09:09 AM   #123 
  - Fireman Tim Brown- WTC2- generated wind about 75 mph when collapsed  philb   Aug-13-05 08:11 PM   #4 
  - Heavy debris from towers was hurled over 2 blocks in some cases; how?  philb   Aug-24-05 10:27 PM   #116 
  - James Drury FDNY - sounded like bombs going off in WTC1  philb   Aug-13-05 09:57 PM   #6 
  - What caused the boom,boom,boom,boom at WTC1?  philb   Aug-18-05 09:32 PM   #57 
  - boom boom boom boom  petgoat   Aug-19-05 07:58 PM   #64 
     - boom boom boom  petgoat   Aug-21-05 03:25 AM   #86 
     - The cutter charges shown in videos were about every 4 floors (n/t)  philb   Aug-21-05 03:41 PM   #96 
  - I heard the explosion, looked up, and saw 3 floors explode  philb   Aug-22-05 11:35 PM   #109 
     - NY Police & another Fireman- WTC2 exploded at the top  philb   Aug-27-05 09:20 AM   #124 
  - There isn't a statement there by Lou Cacchioli or Tommy Hedsal.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-13-05 10:55 PM   #7 
  - I've only had time to read 4 or 5 statements so far  philb   Aug-13-05 11:06 PM   #8 
  - Lt. Neil Brosan, FDNY - his company hit by explosion in WTC1  philb   Aug-13-05 11:08 PM   #9 
     - WHOA! you're finding all the good ones. NT  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 03:07 AM   #12 
     - WTC1 Ground level explosion before it fell  philb   Aug-19-05 09:50 PM   #67 
     - More reports of ground level explosions  philb   Aug-27-05 07:15 AM   #122 
        - A whole bank of elevators was working in WTC1- transporting firemen  philb   Aug-28-05 05:10 PM   #134 
     - Brosnan event in WTC1 lobby was likely due to WTC2 "collapse"  philb   Sep-05-05 02:38 PM   #147 
  - John O'Neill checking out the FBI Offices before he was killed?  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 08:54 AM   #28 
     - I've seen several of the fireman statements talking about this damage  philb   Aug-28-05 05:22 PM   #136 
     - I believe this is one of the ones about devastation on that floor  philb   Aug-28-05 11:17 PM   #138 
        - Here is another;  philb   Sep-04-05 10:48 PM   #146 
     - The elevators in WTC1 that were blasted were lower level elevators  philb   Sep-05-05 05:46 PM   #148 
        - Were both Port Authority and FBI on this floor?  philb   Sep-08-05 09:24 PM   #150 
  - another report of wind blast & rubble on 4th floor of WTC1  philb   Aug-14-05 12:19 AM   #10 
  - Great work Philb! n/t  seatnineb   Aug-14-05 07:57 AM   #13 
  - What caused the damage on 5th and 6th floor of WTC1?  philb   Aug-28-05 05:19 PM   #135 
  - Seems like at WTC, a lot of the plane debris was outside the building  philb   Aug-14-05 08:45 AM   #14 
  - P. Ashby -EMT thought he saw something like a missile shot at WTC  philb   Aug-14-05 10:49 AM   #17 
  - articles, pictures, videos of the Woolworth Building missiles; and backgro  philb   Aug-14-05 12:02 PM   #18 
  - This is a copy of one of the sites above that is hard to read at URL  philb   Aug-16-05 10:53 PM   #46 
  - also one of the police reports  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 02:58 PM   #23 
  - P. Falluca, firefighter.... talks about rockets from the Woolworth Bldg.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 12:55 PM   #32 
  - Has anyone looked at the Danish Video? See my post re: Woolworth  philb   Aug-20-05 08:06 PM   #80 
  - What does a missile or rocket sound like?? Similar to a jet engine?  philb   Aug-27-05 09:52 AM   #127 
  - sounded like incoming missile before collapse- WTC2 firefighter  philb   Aug-22-05 11:00 PM   #106 
  - Frank Campagna, FDNY experienced explosions in WTC1  philb   Aug-14-05 12:22 PM   #19 
  - LIEUTENANT JOHN CITARELLA FDNY WTC1 explosion before collapse  philb   Aug-19-05 11:19 PM   #72 
  - When firemen first arrived, some elevators worked, little damage, what ha  philb   Aug-23-05 12:03 AM   #110 
     - More reports: WTC1 lobby ok when FD arrived; devastated later  philb   Aug-24-05 10:56 PM   #118 
  - What would have caused the WTC1 tower to shoot up, then down?  philb   Aug-24-05 10:44 PM   #117 
     - NY Police reported explosions in upper level/top of WTC1  philb   Aug-27-05 09:25 AM   #126 
        - Firefighter reports WTC1 top mushroomed out. What caused it?  philb   Aug-28-05 05:26 PM   #137 
  - I've looked at the As on the page with list, and some Bs & Cs that  philb   Aug-14-05 01:07 PM   #20 
  - FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BANACISKI WTC2- explosions before collapse  philb   Aug-14-05 01:26 PM   #21 
  - EMT-P ANDRE CHERRINGTON WTC2 Big boom before it fell  philb   Aug-19-05 10:33 PM   #70 
  - The big boom was about 1-2 minutes before it fell.  janedoe   Aug-19-05 11:19 PM   #71 
     - A lot of the firemen statements say something happened  philb   Aug-20-05 03:55 PM   #73 
        - More firemen thought there were explosions & huge chunk fell off WTC2  philb   Aug-29-05 11:23 PM   #140 
           - And people say there's no smoking gun?  pox americana   Aug-29-05 11:39 PM   #141 
  - WTC2 exploded from about midway up the building & controlled dem.  philb   Aug-22-05 11:03 PM   #107 
  - squib explosions all around one floor as in controlled dem. movie  philb   Aug-23-05 10:23 PM   #114 
  - More firefighter reports of explosions before WTC2 fell  philb   Aug-27-05 07:07 AM   #121 
  - WCT2 firemen report jet sounds, tipling,explosions. What caused that sound  philb   Aug-28-05 04:59 PM   #132 
     - What was the jet sound heard by many at WTC before towers "collapsed"  philb   Aug-30-05 08:51 PM   #142 
  - WTC2- large explosion below plane impact area before the collapse  philb   Aug-31-05 11:28 PM   #143 
  - What caused the facade of WTC2 to separate, or the big tilt  philb   Aug-22-05 11:21 PM   #108 
  - summary compilation of firefighter statements begun at:  philb   Aug-14-05 02:32 PM   #22 
  - It is so damned obvious there were bombs  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 03:03 PM   #24 
  - FIREFIGHTER BERTRAM SPRINGSTEAD . . .  Klimmer   Aug-15-05 02:41 AM   #25 
  - Still reading, but the FBI had offices in the North Tower.Read my post #7.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 08:35 AM   #26 
  - Man, that is a loaded one  mirandapriestly   Aug-15-05 08:41 AM   #27 
  - More thought about the elevators . . .  Klimmer   Aug-15-05 09:35 AM   #30 
  - Website on what happens when all the cables on an elevator break . . .  Klimmer   Aug-15-05 01:07 PM   #33 
     - Some elevators were working at WTC1  philb   Sep-02-05 07:44 PM   #145 
  - WTC1 lobby and elevators were ok early  philb   Aug-20-05 08:52 PM   #82 
     - Request  janedoe   Aug-20-05 09:11 PM   #83 
        - I didn't do that when I collected snips. Someone could look at the main  philb   Sep-08-05 09:01 PM   #149 
  - philb, you are doing great work! Thank you! I have a question about  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 08:57 AM   #29 
  - This one; is it the only one blacked out? Which are you using  philb   Aug-15-05 11:57 AM   #31 
     - OK, I just didn't read some of those interviews. Thanks! n/t  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 01:36 PM   #34 
  - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEW FIREFIGHTER EDWARD SHEEHEY  Klimmer   Aug-15-05 02:01 PM   #35 
  - Brian Becker, FDNY blast in lobby of WTC1- away from WTC2  philb   Aug-15-05 02:09 PM   #36 
  - Arresting an Arab-looking guy????  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 02:30 PM   #37 
  - I remember articles about there being a question after 9/11 of  philb   Aug-15-05 04:10 PM   #38 
     - I hadn't heard of this arrest either, and did hear of the Israelis.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 04:53 PM   #39 
        - The "Dancing Israelis" were observed across the Hudson at Liberty Park;  petgoat   Aug-15-05 05:34 PM   #40 
           - I saw fireman report of FBI arresting an arab wearing a suit walking  philb   Aug-27-05 10:04 AM   #128 
  - firefighters leaving WTC1 find lobby blasted  philb   Aug-19-05 10:22 PM   #69 
  - How many minutes did it take for WTC2 to collapse??? Jody Bell, EMT  philb   Aug-15-05 08:45 PM   #41 
  - By chance the 1st I opened was EDWARD CACHIA  jbnow   Aug-15-05 09:27 PM   #43 
  - thanks for post. I can't do them all. But we need a system. So many. n/t  philb   Aug-15-05 09:39 PM   #45 
  - Good One, Careful Reading Finds The Gems Of Truth  Christophera   Aug-18-05 01:32 AM   #53 
  - Another fireman says WTC2 took several minutes to collapse  philb   Aug-15-05 09:34 PM   #44 
  - EMT: WTC2 explosions & falls in 2 stages  philb   Aug-19-05 09:53 PM   #68 
  - Wow - thanks for this thread, philb and everyone else  meganmonkey   Aug-15-05 09:26 PM   #42 
  - unlike news and 9/11 report statements, a lot of the firemen radios worked  philb   Aug-16-05 11:42 PM   #47 
  - "I saw low-level flashes" and then it looked like the building came down  rumpel   Aug-17-05 01:59 AM   #48 
  - BTW I can not find Lieutenant Evangelista's testimony..  rumpel   Aug-17-05 06:08 PM   #49 
  - Wow-- this is an amazing one-- controlled demo for sure.  spooked911   Aug-20-05 04:35 PM   #75 
  - Richard Boeri FDNY WTC2 - crackling & explosion before collapse  philb   Aug-17-05 08:39 PM   #50 
  - red flashes and explosions before WTC1 "collapsed"  philb   Aug-19-05 12:03 AM   #61 
  - WTC2- Krakling; IT SOUNDED LIKE A MILLION FIRECRACKERS  philb   Aug-20-05 07:51 PM   #79 
  - Fireman, lots of info blanked out & missile attack had been reported  philb   Aug-17-05 09:24 PM   #51 
  - EMT reports 3 loud explosions before WTC1 collapsed  philb   Aug-17-05 09:56 PM   #52 
  - did the firemen hear explosions (or pancaking ) when the buildings fell?  philb   Aug-18-05 09:03 PM   #54 
  - Its obvious watching media and other influences affected the  philb   Aug-18-05 09:09 PM   #55 
  - I've noticed that  mirandapriestly   Aug-18-05 11:30 PM   #59 
  - FIREFIGHTER FERNANDO CAMACHO WTC2 Explosions  philb   Aug-18-05 09:14 PM   #56 
     - Explosions at WTC2 John Coyle, Fire Marshall  philb   Aug-21-05 12:07 AM   #84 
     - WTC2 thunderous sound, then sway, then collapse; and debris set him  philb   Aug-21-05 12:41 AM   #85 
     - PARAMEDIC KEVIN DARNOWSKI 3 Explosions heard before WTC2 fell  philb   Aug-21-05 12:51 PM   #91 
     - FATHER JOHN DELENDICK FDNY bombs & explosions before WTC2 fell  philb   Aug-21-05 02:04 PM   #94 
     - 4 more firemen thought there were explosions at WTC2 before it fell  philb   Aug-21-05 07:06 PM   #99 
        - 2 more firemen thought there were explosions at WTC2  philb   Aug-21-05 09:16 PM   #101 
  - Where did the plane debris and bodies end up? How many of the  philb   Aug-18-05 10:26 PM   #58 
  - I was trying to figure that out, too. From what I have read so far, FD  rumpel   Aug-18-05 11:39 PM   #60 
     - It would be really important if we could find out from these histories  spooked911   Aug-20-05 04:37 PM   #76 
        - landing gear from plane that hit WTC2 was in parking lot outside  philb   Aug-20-05 07:23 PM   #78 
        - but it seems, the "jumpers" are co-mingled with the possible plane victims  rumpel   Aug-23-05 12:29 AM   #111 
  - Funny how LARED, M-ATC, Make7, Hack89 have nothing to say about this  spooked911   Aug-20-05 04:30 PM   #74 
  - Shoot, you know the routine by now.  LARED   Aug-20-05 07:16 PM   #77 
  - Is that the best you got?  seatnineb   Aug-21-05 02:00 PM   #93 
  - Very Good Observation. Is It Cognitive Failure, Denial, Or Subterfuge?  Christophera   Aug-20-05 08:17 PM   #81 
  - It's funny how things work out sometimes  LARED   Aug-21-05 07:45 AM   #87 
     - LMAO  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-21-05 08:41 AM   #89 
     - Must Be Subterfuge Because MANY Saw Concrete Core And Wrote Of It. USENET!  Christophera   Aug-21-05 01:09 PM   #92 
  - Since there are eyewitnesses.....  Make7   Aug-22-05 05:46 AM   #103 
     - Some pentagon eye-witnesses contradict themselves and eachother n/t  seatnineb   Aug-22-05 08:32 AM   #104 
     - There are witnesses here that the plane that hit WTC2 was big jet  philb   Aug-22-05 08:54 PM   #105 
        - Yes, where and when they saw Chief Ganci...  rumpel   Aug-23-05 12:33 AM   #112 
        - Are you fucking kidding me?  Make7   Aug-23-05 08:14 AM   #113 
           - have you ever witnessed one yourself?  spooked911   Aug-27-05 09:22 AM   #125 
           - I'm talking relative degrees of loudness.  philb   Aug-27-05 10:12 AM   #129 
  - Which plane did this fuselage come from and how the wheel get this far ?  philb   Aug-21-05 12:32 PM   #90 
  - 2nd plane hits & piece of a plane on Liberty St  philb   Aug-21-05 07:48 PM   #100 
  - Excellent, important work, philb!  woody b   Aug-21-05 03:44 PM   #97 
  - I've grouped the firemen statements about the planes into category types:  philb   Sep-14-05 09:14 PM   #151 
  - People above both crashes survived/walked down stairs; why not more?  philb   Aug-24-05 10:15 PM   #115 
  - what was the high pitched, jet type sound before towers "collapsed"?  philb   Aug-27-05 10:18 AM   #130 
     - Another fireman thought he heard jet sound before WTC2 "collapsed"  philb   Aug-31-05 11:34 PM   #144 
 

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