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7. There isn't a statement there by Lou Cacchioli or Tommy Hedsal.
My own personal note. I believe I read somewhere that the 23rd-25th floors of the North Tower contained the FBI offices.


Although the Marriot was a bad scene, the north tower looked like a war zone. When he entered the lobby, Cacchioli recalls elevator doors completely blown out and another scene of mass chaos with people running, screaming and being hit with debris.

I remember thinking to myself, my God, how could this be happening so quickly if a plane hit way above. It didnt make sense, said Cacchioli.

At that point, Cacchioli found one of the only functioning elevators, one only going as high as the 24th floor, a twist of fate that probably saved his life.

Looking back if it was one of the elevators that went higher, I wouldnt be here talking today, added Cacchioli.

As he made his way up along with men from Engine Co. 21, 22 and Ladder Co. 13, the doors opened on the 24th floor, a scene again that hardly made sense to the seasoned fireman, claiming the heavy dust and haze of smoke he encountered was unusual considering the location of the strike.

Tommy Hedsal was with me and everybody else also gets out of the elevator when it stops on the 24th floor, said Cacchioli, There was a huge amount of smoke. Tommy and I had to go back down the elevator for tools and no sooner did the elevators close behind us, we heard this huge explosion that sounded like a bomb. It was such a loud noise, it knocked off the lights and stalled the elevator.

Luckily, we werent caught between floors and were able to pry open the doors. People were going crazy, yelling and screaming. And all the time, I am crawling low and making my way in the dark with a flashlight to the staircase and thinking Tommy is right behind me.

I somehow got into the stairwell and there were more people there. When I began to try and direct down, another huge explosion like the first one hits. This one hits about two minutes later, although its hard to tell, but Im thinking, Oh. My God, these bastards put bombs in here like they did in 1993!

But still it never crossed my mind the building was going to collapse. I really only had two things on my mind and that was getting people out and saving lives. Thats what I was trained for and thats what I was going to do.

I remember at that point in the stairwell between the 23rd and 24th floor, I threw myself down on the steps because of the smoke. It was pitch black, I had my mask on and I was crawling down the steps until I found the door on the 23rd floor.

When Cacchioli entered the 23rd floor, he found a little man holding a handkerchief in front of his face and hiding under the standpipes on the wall, used for pumping water on the floor in case of fire.

Leading the man by the arm, he then ran into a group down the hall of about 35 to 40 people, finding his way down the 23rd floor stairwell and beginning their descent to safety.

Then as soon as we get in the stairwell, I hear another huge explosion like the other two. Then I heard bang, bang, bang - huge bangs and surmised later it was the floors pan caking on top of one another.

I knew we had to get out of there fast and on the 12th floor a man even jumped on my back because he thought he couldnt make it any farther. Everybody was shocked and dazed and it was a miracle all of us got this far.

When the group led by Cacchioli finally made it to the lobby level, he was unable to open the door at first, the concussion of the explosions or perhaps the south tower falling, jamming the lobby door.

Finally jarring it loose, the group entered the lobby finding total devastation with windows blown out and marble falling form the walls, but strangely no people. At that point, it was either left or right to an exit, Cacchioli, the man he originally found by the standpipes and another lady going right while the others went left, a move which by the grace of God saved his life.

It seemed like every move I made that morning was the right move, said Cacchioli. I should have been killed at least five times. The people that went left didnt make it out, but we came out alive on West Street.

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  -City to Release Thousands of Firefighter Oral Histories of 9/11 Today philb  Aug-12-05 11:04 PM   #0 
  - Does anyone plan to go through and compile the info from the tapes?  philb   Aug-13-05 08:39 AM   #1 
  - More of the documentation  philb   Aug-13-05 07:01 PM   #2 
     - Some of the information is blacked out. What was blacked out and  philb   Aug-13-05 09:43 PM   #5 
     - Most of statements I've seen were taken by FDNY "commanders' who seem to  philb   Aug-14-05 09:01 AM   #15 
        - Dr. G. Asaeda, lots of info blacked out, why would that be?  philb   Aug-14-05 09:36 AM   #16 
     - No debris from first plane; and some firefighters survived WTC1 collapse  philb   Aug-19-05 07:49 PM   #62 
        - How could people in the tower survive in a pancake collapse? (n/t)  philb   Aug-19-05 07:55 PM   #63 
        - Were they in the stairwell in the core w/ massive columns around? n/t  petgoat   Aug-19-05 08:01 PM   #65 
        - It appears that was where they were (n/t)  philb   Aug-21-05 11:20 PM   #102 
        - Impossible. It would be like surviving in the cockpit  pox americana   Aug-19-05 08:14 PM   #66 
        - Not True  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-21-05 08:38 AM   #88 
           - Ahem, you're arguing against yourself.  pox americana   Aug-21-05 04:07 PM   #98 
        - This might be their story, per Stone Phillips interview; sounds similar  philb   Aug-21-05 03:32 PM   #95 
        - WTC2 wasn't total collapse; some in lobby survived; and not in core  philb   Aug-26-05 07:05 AM   #119 
        - What does parts of lobby of WTC2 surviving imply? Why did it not get  philb   Aug-26-05 07:06 AM   #120 
        - Several more survivors of WTC2 collapse - in the lobby  philb   Aug-29-05 10:39 PM   #139 
        - Another report of the survivors of WTC1 collapse by firefighter  philb   Aug-27-05 11:33 AM   #131 
           - Firefighter reports civilian on 7th floor of WTC1 survived the collapse  philb   Aug-28-05 05:03 PM   #133 
  - Fireman Sean Brown- appearance of explosion in lobby/basement area  philb   Aug-13-05 07:41 PM   #3 
  - Yes, I have seen several references to that  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 02:57 AM   #11 
  - NY Policemen reported explosions at ground level  philb   Aug-27-05 09:09 AM   #123 
  - Fireman Tim Brown- WTC2- generated wind about 75 mph when collapsed  philb   Aug-13-05 08:11 PM   #4 
  - Heavy debris from towers was hurled over 2 blocks in some cases; how?  philb   Aug-24-05 10:27 PM   #116 
  - James Drury FDNY - sounded like bombs going off in WTC1  philb   Aug-13-05 09:57 PM   #6 
  - What caused the boom,boom,boom,boom at WTC1?  philb   Aug-18-05 09:32 PM   #57 
  - boom boom boom boom  petgoat   Aug-19-05 07:58 PM   #64 
     - boom boom boom  petgoat   Aug-21-05 03:25 AM   #86 
     - The cutter charges shown in videos were about every 4 floors (n/t)  philb   Aug-21-05 03:41 PM   #96 
  - I heard the explosion, looked up, and saw 3 floors explode  philb   Aug-22-05 11:35 PM   #109 
     - NY Police & another Fireman- WTC2 exploded at the top  philb   Aug-27-05 09:20 AM   #124 
  - There isn't a statement there by Lou Cacchioli or Tommy Hedsal.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-13-05 10:55 PM   #7 
  - I've only had time to read 4 or 5 statements so far  philb   Aug-13-05 11:06 PM   #8 
  - Lt. Neil Brosan, FDNY - his company hit by explosion in WTC1  philb   Aug-13-05 11:08 PM   #9 
     - WHOA! you're finding all the good ones. NT  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 03:07 AM   #12 
     - WTC1 Ground level explosion before it fell  philb   Aug-19-05 09:50 PM   #67 
     - More reports of ground level explosions  philb   Aug-27-05 07:15 AM   #122 
        - A whole bank of elevators was working in WTC1- transporting firemen  philb   Aug-28-05 05:10 PM   #134 
     - Brosnan event in WTC1 lobby was likely due to WTC2 "collapse"  philb   Sep-05-05 02:38 PM   #147 
  - John O'Neill checking out the FBI Offices before he was killed?  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 08:54 AM   #28 
     - I've seen several of the fireman statements talking about this damage  philb   Aug-28-05 05:22 PM   #136 
     - I believe this is one of the ones about devastation on that floor  philb   Aug-28-05 11:17 PM   #138 
        - Here is another;  philb   Sep-04-05 10:48 PM   #146 
     - The elevators in WTC1 that were blasted were lower level elevators  philb   Sep-05-05 05:46 PM   #148 
        - Were both Port Authority and FBI on this floor?  philb   Sep-08-05 09:24 PM   #150 
  - another report of wind blast & rubble on 4th floor of WTC1  philb   Aug-14-05 12:19 AM   #10 
  - Great work Philb! n/t  seatnineb   Aug-14-05 07:57 AM   #13 
  - What caused the damage on 5th and 6th floor of WTC1?  philb   Aug-28-05 05:19 PM   #135 
  - Seems like at WTC, a lot of the plane debris was outside the building  philb   Aug-14-05 08:45 AM   #14 
  - P. Ashby -EMT thought he saw something like a missile shot at WTC  philb   Aug-14-05 10:49 AM   #17 
  - articles, pictures, videos of the Woolworth Building missiles; and backgro  philb   Aug-14-05 12:02 PM   #18 
  - This is a copy of one of the sites above that is hard to read at URL  philb   Aug-16-05 10:53 PM   #46 
  - also one of the police reports  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 02:58 PM   #23 
  - P. Falluca, firefighter.... talks about rockets from the Woolworth Bldg.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 12:55 PM   #32 
  - Has anyone looked at the Danish Video? See my post re: Woolworth  philb   Aug-20-05 08:06 PM   #80 
  - What does a missile or rocket sound like?? Similar to a jet engine?  philb   Aug-27-05 09:52 AM   #127 
  - sounded like incoming missile before collapse- WTC2 firefighter  philb   Aug-22-05 11:00 PM   #106 
  - Frank Campagna, FDNY experienced explosions in WTC1  philb   Aug-14-05 12:22 PM   #19 
  - LIEUTENANT JOHN CITARELLA FDNY WTC1 explosion before collapse  philb   Aug-19-05 11:19 PM   #72 
  - When firemen first arrived, some elevators worked, little damage, what ha  philb   Aug-23-05 12:03 AM   #110 
     - More reports: WTC1 lobby ok when FD arrived; devastated later  philb   Aug-24-05 10:56 PM   #118 
  - What would have caused the WTC1 tower to shoot up, then down?  philb   Aug-24-05 10:44 PM   #117 
     - NY Police reported explosions in upper level/top of WTC1  philb   Aug-27-05 09:25 AM   #126 
        - Firefighter reports WTC1 top mushroomed out. What caused it?  philb   Aug-28-05 05:26 PM   #137 
  - I've looked at the As on the page with list, and some Bs & Cs that  philb   Aug-14-05 01:07 PM   #20 
  - FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BANACISKI WTC2- explosions before collapse  philb   Aug-14-05 01:26 PM   #21 
  - EMT-P ANDRE CHERRINGTON WTC2 Big boom before it fell  philb   Aug-19-05 10:33 PM   #70 
  - The big boom was about 1-2 minutes before it fell.  janedoe   Aug-19-05 11:19 PM   #71 
     - A lot of the firemen statements say something happened  philb   Aug-20-05 03:55 PM   #73 
        - More firemen thought there were explosions & huge chunk fell off WTC2  philb   Aug-29-05 11:23 PM   #140 
           - And people say there's no smoking gun?  pox americana   Aug-29-05 11:39 PM   #141 
  - WTC2 exploded from about midway up the building & controlled dem.  philb   Aug-22-05 11:03 PM   #107 
  - squib explosions all around one floor as in controlled dem. movie  philb   Aug-23-05 10:23 PM   #114 
  - More firefighter reports of explosions before WTC2 fell  philb   Aug-27-05 07:07 AM   #121 
  - WCT2 firemen report jet sounds, tipling,explosions. What caused that sound  philb   Aug-28-05 04:59 PM   #132 
     - What was the jet sound heard by many at WTC before towers "collapsed"  philb   Aug-30-05 08:51 PM   #142 
  - WTC2- large explosion below plane impact area before the collapse  philb   Aug-31-05 11:28 PM   #143 
  - What caused the facade of WTC2 to separate, or the big tilt  philb   Aug-22-05 11:21 PM   #108 
  - summary compilation of firefighter statements begun at:  philb   Aug-14-05 02:32 PM   #22 
  - It is so damned obvious there were bombs  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 03:03 PM   #24 
  - FIREFIGHTER BERTRAM SPRINGSTEAD . . .  Klimmer   Aug-15-05 02:41 AM   #25 
  - Still reading, but the FBI had offices in the North Tower.Read my post #7.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 08:35 AM   #26 
  - Man, that is a loaded one  mirandapriestly   Aug-15-05 08:41 AM   #27 
  - More thought about the elevators . . .  Klimmer   Aug-15-05 09:35 AM   #30 
  - Website on what happens when all the cables on an elevator break . . .  Klimmer   Aug-15-05 01:07 PM   #33 
     - Some elevators were working at WTC1  philb   Sep-02-05 07:44 PM   #145 
  - WTC1 lobby and elevators were ok early  philb   Aug-20-05 08:52 PM   #82 
     - Request  janedoe   Aug-20-05 09:11 PM   #83 
        - I didn't do that when I collected snips. Someone could look at the main  philb   Sep-08-05 09:01 PM   #149 
  - philb, you are doing great work! Thank you! I have a question about  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 08:57 AM   #29 
  - This one; is it the only one blacked out? Which are you using  philb   Aug-15-05 11:57 AM   #31 
     - OK, I just didn't read some of those interviews. Thanks! n/t  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 01:36 PM   #34 
  - Brian Becker, FDNY blast in lobby of WTC1- away from WTC2  philb   Aug-15-05 02:09 PM   #36 
  - Arresting an Arab-looking guy????  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 02:30 PM   #37 
  - I remember articles about there being a question after 9/11 of  philb   Aug-15-05 04:10 PM   #38 
     - I hadn't heard of this arrest either, and did hear of the Israelis.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Aug-15-05 04:53 PM   #39 
        - The "Dancing Israelis" were observed across the Hudson at Liberty Park;  petgoat   Aug-15-05 05:34 PM   #40 
           - I saw fireman report of FBI arresting an arab wearing a suit walking  philb   Aug-27-05 10:04 AM   #128 
  - firefighters leaving WTC1 find lobby blasted  philb   Aug-19-05 10:22 PM   #69 
  - How many minutes did it take for WTC2 to collapse??? Jody Bell, EMT  philb   Aug-15-05 08:45 PM   #41 
  - By chance the 1st I opened was EDWARD CACHIA  jbnow   Aug-15-05 09:27 PM   #43 
  - thanks for post. I can't do them all. But we need a system. So many. n/t  philb   Aug-15-05 09:39 PM   #45 
  - Good One, Careful Reading Finds The Gems Of Truth  Christophera   Aug-18-05 01:32 AM   #53 
  - Another fireman says WTC2 took several minutes to collapse  philb   Aug-15-05 09:34 PM   #44 
  - EMT: WTC2 explosions & falls in 2 stages  philb   Aug-19-05 09:53 PM   #68 
  - Wow - thanks for this thread, philb and everyone else  meganmonkey   Aug-15-05 09:26 PM   #42 
  - unlike news and 9/11 report statements, a lot of the firemen radios worked  philb   Aug-16-05 11:42 PM   #47 
  - "I saw low-level flashes" and then it looked like the building came down  rumpel   Aug-17-05 01:59 AM   #48 
  - BTW I can not find Lieutenant Evangelista's testimony..  rumpel   Aug-17-05 06:08 PM   #49 
  - Wow-- this is an amazing one-- controlled demo for sure.  spooked911   Aug-20-05 04:35 PM   #75 
  - Richard Boeri FDNY WTC2 - crackling & explosion before collapse  philb   Aug-17-05 08:39 PM   #50 
  - red flashes and explosions before WTC1 "collapsed"  philb   Aug-19-05 12:03 AM   #61 
  - WTC2- Krakling; IT SOUNDED LIKE A MILLION FIRECRACKERS  philb   Aug-20-05 07:51 PM   #79 
  - Fireman, lots of info blanked out & missile attack had been reported  philb   Aug-17-05 09:24 PM   #51 
  - EMT reports 3 loud explosions before WTC1 collapsed  philb   Aug-17-05 09:56 PM   #52 
  - did the firemen hear explosions (or pancaking ) when the buildings fell?  philb   Aug-18-05 09:03 PM   #54 
  - Its obvious watching media and other influences affected the  philb   Aug-18-05 09:09 PM   #55 
  - I've noticed that  mirandapriestly   Aug-18-05 11:30 PM   #59 
  - FIREFIGHTER FERNANDO CAMACHO WTC2 Explosions  philb   Aug-18-05 09:14 PM   #56 
     - Explosions at WTC2 John Coyle, Fire Marshall  philb   Aug-21-05 12:07 AM   #84 
     - WTC2 thunderous sound, then sway, then collapse; and debris set him  philb   Aug-21-05 12:41 AM   #85 
     - PARAMEDIC KEVIN DARNOWSKI 3 Explosions heard before WTC2 fell  philb   Aug-21-05 12:51 PM   #91 
     - FATHER JOHN DELENDICK FDNY bombs & explosions before WTC2 fell  philb   Aug-21-05 02:04 PM   #94 
     - 4 more firemen thought there were explosions at WTC2 before it fell  philb   Aug-21-05 07:06 PM   #99 
        - 2 more firemen thought there were explosions at WTC2  philb   Aug-21-05 09:16 PM   #101 
  - Where did the plane debris and bodies end up? How many of the  philb   Aug-18-05 10:26 PM   #58 
  - I was trying to figure that out, too. From what I have read so far, FD  rumpel   Aug-18-05 11:39 PM   #60 
     - It would be really important if we could find out from these histories  spooked911   Aug-20-05 04:37 PM   #76 
        - landing gear from plane that hit WTC2 was in parking lot outside  philb   Aug-20-05 07:23 PM   #78 
        - but it seems, the "jumpers" are co-mingled with the possible plane victims  rumpel   Aug-23-05 12:29 AM   #111 
  - Funny how LARED, M-ATC, Make7, Hack89 have nothing to say about this  spooked911   Aug-20-05 04:30 PM   #74 
  - Shoot, you know the routine by now.  LARED   Aug-20-05 07:16 PM   #77 
  - Is that the best you got?  seatnineb   Aug-21-05 02:00 PM   #93 
  - Very Good Observation. Is It Cognitive Failure, Denial, Or Subterfuge?  Christophera   Aug-20-05 08:17 PM   #81 
  - It's funny how things work out sometimes  LARED   Aug-21-05 07:45 AM   #87 
     - LMAO  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-21-05 08:41 AM   #89 
     - Must Be Subterfuge Because MANY Saw Concrete Core And Wrote Of It. USENET!  Christophera   Aug-21-05 01:09 PM   #92 
  - Since there are eyewitnesses.....  Make7   Aug-22-05 05:46 AM   #103 
     - Some pentagon eye-witnesses contradict themselves and eachother n/t  seatnineb   Aug-22-05 08:32 AM   #104 
     - There are witnesses here that the plane that hit WTC2 was big jet  philb   Aug-22-05 08:54 PM   #105 
        - Yes, where and when they saw Chief Ganci...  rumpel   Aug-23-05 12:33 AM   #112 
        - Are you fucking kidding me?  Make7   Aug-23-05 08:14 AM   #113 
           - have you ever witnessed one yourself?  spooked911   Aug-27-05 09:22 AM   #125 
           - I'm talking relative degrees of loudness.  philb   Aug-27-05 10:12 AM   #129 
  - Which plane did this fuselage come from and how the wheel get this far ?  philb   Aug-21-05 12:32 PM   #90 
  - 2nd plane hits & piece of a plane on Liberty St  philb   Aug-21-05 07:48 PM   #100 
  - Excellent, important work, philb!  woody b   Aug-21-05 03:44 PM   #97 
  - I've grouped the firemen statements about the planes into category types:  philb   Sep-14-05 09:14 PM   #151 
  - People above both crashes survived/walked down stairs; why not more?  philb   Aug-24-05 10:15 PM   #115 
  - what was the high pitched, jet type sound before towers "collapsed"?  philb   Aug-27-05 10:18 AM   #130 
     - Another fireman thought he heard jet sound before WTC2 "collapsed"  philb   Aug-31-05 11:34 PM   #144 

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