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Sun Aug-14-05 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #98 |
| 99. Here's a hot campfire :-) |
| -Thermal image taken shortly after the plane crash in WTC |
Ice4Clark |
Aug-07-05 11:18 PM |
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Surely someone would have looked for a part number |
philb |
Aug-07-05 11:53 PM |
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The fires weren't that hot. Particularly since most of the fuel burned up |
spooked911 |
Aug-08-05 02:22 PM |
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According to the first color image, |
janedoe |
Aug-08-05 03:11 PM |
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How far away from the building was the picture taken? |
hack89 |
Aug-08-05 03:46 PM |
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Excellent question |
LARED |
Aug-08-05 08:15 PM |
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You really believe that? |
vincent_vega_lives |
Aug-12-05 07:41 AM |
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Campfires burn at 400 to 600 degrees C. |
petgoat |
Aug-14-05 03:53 PM |
#98 |
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Here's a hot campfire :-) |
janedoe |
Aug-14-05 04:59 PM |
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It's a Raging Inferno, LOL! n/t |
petgoat |
Aug-14-05 06:09 PM |
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Melting Airplane Engines |
janedoe |
Aug-14-05 06:34 PM |
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It depends on what nationality starts the fire, of course... |
mikelewis |
Aug-17-05 07:56 AM |
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It's not what nationality starts the fire, silly. |
janedoe |
Aug-17-05 10:33 AM |
#132 |
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Nonsense |
hack89 |
Aug-08-05 03:40 PM |
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You don't know much about office buidlings, do you? |
pox americana |
Aug-08-05 07:53 PM |
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You don't know much about sprinkler systems do you |
LARED |
Aug-08-05 08:19 PM |
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I know enough to see that FEMA is lying, as usual. |
pox americana |
Aug-08-05 09:53 PM |
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You really should do some research before responding |
LARED |
Aug-09-05 07:11 AM |
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Speaking of critical thinking, the reports you keep citing are unreliable, |
pox americana |
Aug-09-05 07:48 AM |
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The bottom line is that the sprinkler systems were not |
LARED |
Aug-09-05 08:08 AM |
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Isn't it ironic |
janedoe |
Aug-09-05 08:14 AM |
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Ironic wasn't the word I had in mind |
LARED |
Aug-09-05 08:31 AM |
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Until you show me the system specifications |
pox americana |
Aug-09-05 11:49 AM |
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Sorry, I'm not doing your homework for you |
LARED |
Aug-09-05 02:30 PM |
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Standards are not specifications. |
pox americana |
Aug-09-05 07:40 PM |
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Well, that true, but is there a point in telling us this? |
LARED |
Aug-09-05 07:58 PM |
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You're telling me you don't know the difference |
pox americana |
Aug-09-05 08:15 PM |
#29 |
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Wow, did you make all that up yourself |
LARED |
Aug-09-05 08:21 PM |
#30 |
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I don't make stuff up, and I had lots of help. |
pox americana |
Aug-09-05 11:07 PM |
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The specs aren't what you want either |
AZCat |
Aug-10-05 03:44 PM |
#37 |
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Yes, they are. |
pox americana |
Aug-10-05 10:08 PM |
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Actually, I write specs all the time. |
AZCat |
Aug-10-05 10:18 PM |
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Ahem, we're talking about NYC, not the O K Corral. |
pox americana |
Aug-10-05 10:35 PM |
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Doesn't matter |
AZCat |
Aug-10-05 10:52 PM |
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Sure. But we're talking about a fire sprinkler system. |
pox americana |
Aug-10-05 11:17 PM |
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Actually, that's not entirely correct |
mikelewis |
Aug-11-05 06:19 PM |
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very helpful! |
pox americana |
Aug-11-05 09:52 PM |
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What does all out operation mean? |
LARED |
Aug-12-05 05:01 AM |
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All of them... |
mikelewis |
Aug-12-05 04:57 PM |
#63 |
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Thanks for your response |
LARED |
Aug-12-05 06:54 PM |
#64 |
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That's not correct... |
mikelewis |
Aug-12-05 11:56 PM |
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A question |
LARED |
Aug-13-05 07:11 AM |
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Yes |
mikelewis |
Aug-13-05 08:11 AM |
#69 |
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I have an older copy of NFPA 13 at work |
LARED |
Aug-13-05 08:39 AM |
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I'm not disputing your estimate, I just wonder where you derived this... |
mikelewis |
Aug-13-05 03:18 PM |
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What do you make of this? |
Make7 |
Aug-13-05 09:26 AM |
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It means mikelewis is right and the FEMA/NIST reports are horseshit. |
pox americana |
Aug-13-05 10:12 AM |
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Can you elaborate on that? |
LARED |
Aug-13-05 10:15 AM |
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I could, but I'm not going to belabor the obvious. |
pox americana |
Aug-13-05 10:23 AM |
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Translated as |
LARED |
Aug-13-05 10:25 AM |
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Clue: "multiple supply lines, pumps, tanks, and backup delivery systems." |
pox americana |
Aug-13-05 10:28 AM |
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Slowly sound out the words |
LARED |
Aug-13-05 01:39 PM |
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"The other side"? You mean the Bush-Cheney noise machine? |
pox americana |
Aug-14-05 02:31 AM |
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No, the other side are those that read AND comprehend (n/t) |
LARED |
Aug-14-05 06:14 AM |
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The nature of a fire sprinkler system... |
mikelewis |
Aug-13-05 04:25 PM |
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Causes of failure... |
mikelewis |
Aug-13-05 06:19 PM |
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FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM GREEN |
Make7 |
Aug-14-05 11:10 AM |
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Let's see, "the water was falling down like rapids, ankle deep." |
pox americana |
Aug-14-05 12:02 PM |
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I don't believe it was coached at all... |
mikelewis |
Aug-14-05 12:36 PM |
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The pipes that lead to the floors are in core.... |
mikelewis |
Aug-14-05 12:18 PM |
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The reason I posted the Firefighter interview.... |
Make7 |
Aug-14-05 08:50 PM |
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mikelewis; please review these links and |
LARED |
Aug-14-05 07:16 AM |
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Google isn't going to restore your credibility or Bush's |
pox americana |
Aug-14-05 07:44 AM |
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Let me guess |
LARED |
Aug-14-05 07:50 AM |
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I'm not sure what your asking... |
mikelewis |
Aug-14-05 09:40 AM |
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This is where we disagree |
LARED |
Aug-14-05 01:43 PM |
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2 systems, 4 supply lines, 5 pumps, and 6 5,000-gallon tanks |
pox americana |
Aug-14-05 03:46 PM |
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So how does |
LARED |
Aug-14-05 08:00 PM |
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Show me the specs and I'll tell you. |
pox americana |
Aug-14-05 08:26 PM |
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What spec's are you looking for? (n/t) |
LARED |
Aug-14-05 09:47 PM |
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The system specifications, obviously. n/t |
pox americana |
Aug-15-05 01:50 PM |
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You think the system specs will tell you how |
LARED |
Aug-15-05 03:10 PM |
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They'll show how much the system could deliver and for how long, yes, |
pox americana |
Aug-15-05 03:34 PM |
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Thank you for making my point. I agree they are inaccurate |
LARED |
Aug-15-05 04:05 PM |
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If your point is that NIST is feeding baloney to fools, you're welcome. |
pox americana |
Aug-15-05 04:11 PM |
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Another well reasoned reply, (n/t) |
LARED |
Aug-15-05 05:02 PM |
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LARED, you obviously don't know about the 15M gallon water tank at the WTC |
MercutioATC |
Aug-15-05 05:09 PM |
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NFPA standards online. |
Make7 |
Aug-14-05 10:52 AM |
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Okay... if you go to Chapter 11 Section 2.... |
mikelewis |
Aug-14-05 11:37 AM |
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Past and present standards. |
Make7 |
Aug-14-05 12:08 PM |
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They have to meet the current standards of when the sprinkler system... |
mikelewis |
Aug-14-05 12:45 PM |
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Thanks. ( n/t ) |
Make7 |
Aug-14-05 08:41 PM |
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Mike, I really appreciate you bringing your expertise to this forum |
petgoat |
Aug-15-05 05:05 PM |
#124 |
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A small electric short circuit started a blaze |
hack89 |
Aug-08-05 10:17 PM |
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The Windsor building was concrete framed, burned 24 hrs, did not collapse, |
pox americana |
Aug-08-05 10:47 PM |
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But it was packed with flammable materials... |
hack89 |
Aug-09-05 02:09 PM |
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It was undergoing renovation |
pox americana |
Aug-09-05 07:38 PM |
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There was about 60 tons per floor of flammable material in the WTC... |
hack89 |
Aug-09-05 08:45 PM |
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That's why they had automatic sprinklers. |
pox americana |
Aug-09-05 11:05 PM |
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And how did the sprinklers survive the impact? |
hack89 |
Aug-10-05 07:40 PM |
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Just like the rest of the structure did. |
pox americana |
Aug-10-05 10:12 PM |
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Your contention is not believable... |
hack89 |
Aug-11-05 03:44 PM |
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That doesn't make it any less true. |
pox americana |
Aug-11-05 09:57 PM |
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Interesting way to concede the point but thanks. n/t |
hack89 |
Aug-11-05 10:06 PM |
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May I suggest the purchase of an English dictionary. n/t |
pox americana |
Aug-11-05 10:12 PM |
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When you respond to a reasoned statement.. |
hack89 |
Aug-11-05 10:18 PM |
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Sure. |
stickdog |
Aug-12-05 08:39 AM |
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Read this .. do the math.. |
hack89 |
Aug-12-05 11:02 AM |
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Look at this, then get a clue. |
stickdog |
Aug-12-05 08:05 PM |
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Actually, since the building was only 30% occupied at best... |
mikelewis |
Aug-14-05 07:34 PM |
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30% occupied? |
petgoat |
Aug-14-05 07:38 PM |
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The WTC was only 30% occupied? At best? |
LARED |
Aug-14-05 08:03 PM |
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Before I show you mine, you show me yours... |
mikelewis |
Aug-14-05 11:34 PM |
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And I just discovered that I was wrong, it wasn't 30%.. can you guess... |
mikelewis |
Aug-14-05 11:41 PM |
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I thought in your previous post you meant tenant occupancy. |
Make7 |
Aug-14-05 11:45 PM |
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How many tenants were there? |
mikelewis |
Aug-15-05 12:22 AM |
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Two hundred eighty. |
Make7 |
Aug-15-05 03:17 AM |
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How many people worked in the towers? You're best guess. |
mikelewis |
Aug-17-05 02:00 AM |
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Thirty Seven Thousand Six Hundred Twenty Nine. |
Make7 |
Aug-17-05 02:13 AM |
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And what are you basing this guess on? |
mikelewis |
Aug-17-05 07:52 AM |
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The percentage of total available square footage of ... |
Make7 |
Aug-18-05 06:29 AM |
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test |
spooked911 |
Aug-17-05 11:23 AM |
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WTC |
sabbat hunter |
Aug-15-05 04:00 PM |
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previous wtc fires |
slaveplanet |
Aug-08-05 09:28 PM |
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You Got to be Kidding... |
carlvs |
Aug-08-05 09:54 PM |
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I don't think they are hiding it... |
mikelewis |
Aug-14-05 06:34 PM |
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"none of them caught fire"/"catastrophic fires" |
petgoat |
Aug-08-05 11:07 PM |
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Supposedly... |
Make7 |
Aug-09-05 12:54 AM |
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Yes, that guy is sampling steel. |
petgoat |
Aug-09-05 04:36 PM |
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The sulfur came from gypsum in the wall board. |
hack89 |
Aug-09-05 08:39 PM |
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The Expert Metallurgists Don't Know Where the Sulfur Came From. |
petgoat |
Aug-10-05 01:29 AM |
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It wasn't explosives or detonators |
hack89 |
Aug-10-05 07:05 PM |
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I HATE disinformation. |
stickdog |
Aug-12-05 07:43 PM |
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I suppose... |
Make7 |
Aug-10-05 07:48 PM |
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You are speculating. Where is a shred of EVIDENCE that ANY |
stickdog |
Aug-12-05 08:35 AM |
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There was a part which landed on a rooftop |
undeterred |
Aug-08-05 09:30 PM |
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Mechanical Eng. debunks official story of WTC |
philb |
Aug-09-05 11:01 PM |
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It's only regurgitated CT sophistry (n/t) |
LARED |
Aug-12-05 07:21 AM |
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That's telling 'em. |
stickdog |
Aug-12-05 08:36 AM |
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What kind of reply would you expect? |
LARED |
Aug-12-05 08:45 AM |
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That only works when your views fit in with their theories. ( n/t ) |
Make7 |
Aug-12-05 08:49 AM |
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LARED, ASME, ME. There you go, am I now more believable |
petgoat |
Aug-14-05 01:58 PM |
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Is petgoat your real name? |
LARED |
Aug-14-05 08:08 PM |
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I'm not claiming "petgoat, ASME, ME" gives me credibility n/t |
petgoat |
Aug-15-05 05:08 PM |
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Is it safe to assume you believe that because |
LARED |
Aug-15-05 08:00 PM |
#127 |
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