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191. Not For Ordinary DEMO Where Big Pieces Are Found, Or Free Fall Seen
Edited on Thu Aug-18-05 11:40 AM by Christophera
What you say is true mikelewis, for an ordinary demolition. Placement is everything, as well as distribution.

What we see here,



if it were a collapse caused by minimal charges, would be comprised pf many big pieces that were separated by a loss of structural integrity.
What is seen at the top of the descending tower is sand and gravel arcing up and out. This is essentially a continuous series of explosions that continued to the ground.
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  -"Hard Science and the Collapse of the World Trade Center" spooked911  Jul-20-05 10:08 PM   #0 
  - The article  MrSammo1   Jul-20-05 10:22 PM   #1 
  - "THE WINDY TOWERS OF 9-11"  pox americana   Jul-20-05 11:15 PM   #2 
  - Cool Site!  janedoe   Jul-21-05 11:28 AM   #7 
  - what a wonderful site you linked to NT  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 11:49 PM   #166 
  - I think he nailed the problem with the pancake theory.  pox americana   Jul-20-05 11:18 PM   #3 
  - This is NOT what a "progressive collapse" would look like.  Christophera   Jul-21-05 12:28 AM   #4 
  - Agreed. I think this article really helped put me over the top believing  spooked911   Jul-21-05 08:30 AM   #6 
     - I think the minimum time would be longer.  janedoe   Jul-21-05 11:49 AM   #8 
     - So much for the terrorist theory.  pox americana   Jul-21-05 06:31 PM   #16 
     - Thanks.  janedoe   Jul-21-05 06:41 PM   #18 
     - "the terrorist theory?"  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:05 AM   #264 
     - Beautifully and logically put! Thank you!  spooked911   Jul-21-05 07:23 PM   #20 
     - Many thanks! (n/t)  janedoe   Jul-21-05 08:10 PM   #24 
     - Those really are lovely graphs  LARED   Jul-21-05 07:58 PM   #22 
     - I think you missed the point  pox americana   Jul-21-05 08:10 PM   #23 
     - No I didn't miss that point  LARED   Jul-21-05 08:44 PM   #26 
     - You just missed it again!  pox americana   Jul-21-05 08:58 PM   #27 
     - Kinetic energy perhaps? n/t  hack89   Jul-21-05 09:18 PM   #28 
     - What about it? n/t  pox americana   Jul-21-05 09:24 PM   #29 
        - From Lared's post  hack89   Jul-21-05 09:34 PM   #30 
           - Let's see.  pox americana   Jul-21-05 09:51 PM   #32 
     - Again, the graphical model  LARED   Jul-21-05 09:48 PM   #31 
     - "That's not possible. "  pox americana   Jul-21-05 09:55 PM   #33 
     - So, you agree the graphs are meaningless?  LARED   Jul-22-05 04:47 AM   #43 
     - It looks like LARED had nightmares all night. ;-)  janedoe   Jul-22-05 05:38 AM   #44 
        - Slept like a baby  LARED   Jul-22-05 06:55 AM   #47 
           - It looked like you were disoriented and not fully awake.  janedoe   Jul-22-05 12:59 PM   #49 
              - That was in reponse to this comment  LARED   Jul-22-05 02:41 PM   #56 
              - excuse me?  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:16 AM   #267 
     - Are you one of those that have been taken in by the myth that  LARED   Jul-22-05 06:56 AM   # 
        - Hmm..  StrafingMoose   Jul-22-05 01:19 PM   #51 
        - 10 seconds is far too short  LARED   Jul-22-05 01:41 PM   #52 
           - I was trying to respect your personal beliefs.  pox americana   Jul-22-05 01:57 PM   #53 
           - I'm certain there's a coherent thought process somewhere  LARED   Jul-22-05 02:42 PM   #57 
              - read it over a few times  pox americana   Jul-22-05 04:59 PM   #59 
                 - I've read it over a few more times  LARED   Jul-22-05 07:50 PM   #64 
                    - Sometimes it can be difficult to answer a simple question.  Make7   Jul-24-05 10:05 PM   #140 
                       - Yes, thanks for finding that.  pox americana   Jul-25-05 10:04 PM   #144 
           - Well now, THAT makes all the difference, then. (nt)  stickdog   Aug-12-05 10:19 AM   #156 
              - Yep, clearly that extra 5 seconds PROVES no explosives were used.....not.  spooked911   Aug-17-05 12:51 PM   #180 
                 - But if in only takes 1/3 of the building's potential energy to destroy it,  janedoe   Aug-17-05 01:27 PM   #181 
                    - do the math  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 09:55 AM   #188 
                    - Again  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 08:26 PM   #209 
                    - Who said it only took 1/3 of the buildings PE to destroy it? ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-19-05 05:31 AM   #218 
        - No Myth. Some Parts Of The Top Made It To the Ground In 10 Seconds  Christophera   Aug-14-05 07:32 PM   #164 
           - I think the time in question is ...  Make7   Aug-14-05 10:24 PM   #165 
              - Agreed, Estimates With Allowable +/- Will Suffice. They Fell Too Fast.  Christophera   Aug-17-05 02:15 AM   #171 
                 - It may have been too fast, it may not have.  Make7   Aug-17-05 02:47 AM   #172 
                    - Plane Impacts Could Have Only Caused The Tower Tops To Fall  Christophera   Aug-17-05 11:12 AM   #175 
                       - I don't believe it is "hoakie."  Make7   Aug-18-05 06:58 AM   #183 
     - In your theory, what caused the the kinetic energy?  stickdog   Aug-12-05 10:17 AM   #155 
        - Gravity  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 09:08 AM   #184 
           - More magical physics.  pox americana   Aug-18-05 12:10 PM   #192 
              - But, what was pushing down?  janedoe   Aug-18-05 01:00 PM   #193 
              - The structure is disintegrating on the way down, true  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 01:55 PM   #195 
                 - Magical Physics  janedoe   Aug-18-05 02:15 PM   #197 
                    - U2 with the magical crap?  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 02:34 PM   #199 
                       - "The building was both pancaking up and down at the same time"  pox americana   Aug-18-05 07:08 PM   #204 
                          - Tell ya what  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 08:21 PM   #207 
                          - "gravity is explosive"  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 08:29 PM   #210 
                          - Here's some calcualtions for you  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-19-05 07:35 AM   #222 
                             - Three wrongs don't make a right. (n/t)  pox americana   Aug-19-05 12:49 PM   #223 
                             - Lay it out  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-21-05 08:10 AM   #237 
                             - But three lefts do make a right. ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-21-05 08:28 AM   #239 
                             - OK lets see your caculations  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-29-05 08:00 AM   #286 
              - You seem to be implying  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 01:49 PM   #194 
                 - Impact and Fire  petgoat   Aug-18-05 06:32 PM   #203 
                 - "like bullet hitting tree."  pox americana   Aug-18-05 07:12 PM   #205 
                 - A bullet hitting a tree  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 08:43 PM   #211 
                    - A tree is not a homogeneous material!  janedoe   Aug-18-05 09:29 PM   #213 
                       - Compared to an office building it most certainly is  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-19-05 06:35 AM   #219 
                 - Negligible. Find a floor plan and look at it. You'll see why.  pox americana   Aug-18-05 07:15 PM   #206 
     - Wait a minute  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:10 AM   #266 
        - Just a hunch, but did your physics teacher also teach PE?  pox americana   Aug-24-05 10:21 PM   #275 
     - Hmm..  StrafingMoose   Jul-22-05 06:56 AM   #48 
     - Thanks. Good answer.  janedoe   Jul-21-05 10:13 PM   #35 
     - Thanks for the compliments!  janedoe   Jul-21-05 09:59 PM   #34 
     - Those are the most incriminating photos I've seen.  pox americana   Jul-22-05 12:43 AM   #38 
        - Thanks.  janedoe   Jul-22-05 02:02 AM   #40 
     - The beams were designed to hold the entire weight of the building  philb   Jul-24-05 02:37 PM   #129 
     - Big difference between mass at at rest and at acceleration  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 09:28 AM   #185 
     - THANK YOU  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:08 AM   #265 
        - You're welcome (n/t)  LARED   Aug-24-05 04:57 AM   #271 
     - 99.5 seconds  Make7   Jul-22-05 06:09 AM   #45 
     - Read both again. He's not solving the same problem.  janedoe   Jul-22-05 06:51 AM   #46 
        - floating floors, no resistance, and kinetic energy  Make7   Jul-24-05 09:24 PM   #139 
        - simplification  janedoe   Jul-24-05 11:04 PM   #141 
           - simple scenario for a simple situation  Make7   Jul-25-05 06:08 AM   #142 
              - Please read my post #8 again  janedoe   Jul-25-05 01:22 PM   #143 
                 - Okay, I believe you.  Make7   Jul-29-05 12:37 AM   #147 
                    - I don't understand the point you are trying to make.  janedoe   Jul-29-05 01:20 AM   #148 
                    - I think the collapse times are about 15 to 16 seconds.  Make7   Jul-29-05 02:01 AM   #150 
                       - Time taken conserving momentum  AlienSpaceBat   Aug-29-05 12:35 PM   #287 
                          - Is that you Mr. Hoffman? ( n/t )  Make7   Sep-03-05 07:26 AM   #288 
                             - No such claim to fame !  AlienSpaceBat   Sep-04-05 11:44 AM   #289 
                                - So if we take your figure of 9.73 seconds....  Make7   Sep-04-05 12:59 PM   #290 
                                   - it's possible ...  AlienSpaceBat   Sep-04-05 04:58 PM   #291 
                    - Demoliton waves ahead of free fall.  janedoe   Jul-29-05 01:58 AM   #149 
                       - This Must Have Been Just Before WTC 1 Left The Spire  Christophera   Aug-12-05 08:38 PM   #159 
        - Time period of any resistance was negligible  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 09:37 AM   #186 
     - Jane...  reprehensor   Jul-23-05 08:43 PM   #120 
     - wow. just wow. n/t  librechik   Aug-16-05 08:59 PM   #168 
     - Who repealed the laws of Physics?  janedoe   Jul-21-05 12:41 PM   #10 
  - The words and picture do not match.  Make7   Aug-12-05 08:43 AM   #151 
  - How does gravity make explosions?  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-16-05 12:08 PM   #167 
  - It doesn't, explosives do.  pox americana   Aug-16-05 09:21 PM   #169 
     - The propellant charge only acts to impart velocity  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 09:48 AM   #187 
  - uh...  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:02 AM   #263 
     - It's an anomaly alright.  pox americana   Aug-24-05 11:24 PM   #276 
     - "Even the most distinguished engineers couldn't have told you  petgoat   Aug-24-05 11:45 PM   #279 
  - Good post, thanks (n/t)  Kevin Fenton   Jul-21-05 12:55 AM   #5 
  - Thanks for the post. Great stuff! n/t  pauldp   Jul-21-05 12:34 PM   #9 
  - Enjoying the silence of critics...  Ezlivin   Jul-21-05 01:02 PM   #11 
  - We'll have to be our own critics, I guess.  janedoe   Jul-21-05 02:31 PM   #12 
  - "How did the terrorists get access to the buildings"  petgoat   Aug-24-05 11:41 PM   #278 
  - Agreed!  seatnineb   Jul-21-05 02:39 PM   #13 
  - Not so silent now is it? n/t  hack89   Jul-22-05 06:27 PM   #61 
  - a-ha  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:33 AM   #268 
  - Were the explosives built in or added later?  realFedUp   Jul-21-05 05:19 PM   #14 
  - Good question.  pox americana   Jul-21-05 06:27 PM   #15 
  - Explosives after 1993  Kevin Fenton   Jul-22-05 02:16 AM   #41 
  - thanks Kevin  pox americana   Jul-22-05 10:54 PM   #73 
  - I don't make stuff up  Kevin Fenton   Jul-24-05 10:02 AM   #125 
     - hey thanks  pox americana   Jul-24-05 11:30 AM   #126 
        - Bowing walls  Kevin Fenton   Jul-24-05 11:56 AM   #128 
  - Explosives after 1993  MindMatter   Jul-24-05 03:25 PM   #130 
     - Silverstein, etc.  Kevin Fenton   Aug-19-05 01:20 PM   #224 
  - Thermite Added In Remodel After 1993 Bombing, Basement.  Christophera   Aug-19-05 02:32 AM   #216 
  - No.  janedoe   Jul-21-05 06:34 PM   #17 
  - Were there explosives on every floor?  hack89   Jul-21-05 07:04 PM   #19 
     - I have an idea-- now that we've convinced you it was controlled demo  spooked911   Jul-21-05 07:29 PM   #21 
        - No..  hack89   Jul-21-05 08:12 PM   #25 
        - Do you really think it would be so difficult to wire them? They were  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-21-05 11:04 PM   #36 
        - Difficult to wire them?  petgoat   Jul-21-05 11:28 PM   #37 
        - Then please fill in the blanks  hack89   Jul-22-05 01:05 PM   #50 
           - That's what the 9/11 Commission was supposed to figure out  pox americana   Jul-22-05 01:59 PM   #54 
           - So if I understand correctly...  hack89   Jul-22-05 02:09 PM   #55 
              - Sorry, I'd love to believe the official fairy tale  pox americana   Jul-22-05 04:57 PM   #58 
                 - So articulate a detailed and reasonable alternative! n/t  hack89   Jul-22-05 05:09 PM   #60 
                    - Okay I'll spell it out one more time, just for you.  pox americana   Jul-22-05 07:29 PM   #62 
                       - I don't think that met the criteria of  LARED   Jul-22-05 07:48 PM   #63 
                       - Can you take it one step further?  hack89   Jul-22-05 07:51 PM   #65 
                       - Ummm... don't you remember the demolition expert who said  janedoe   Jul-22-05 08:30 PM   #66 
                          - No, I don't remember - name and link please. n/t  hack89   Jul-22-05 08:46 PM   #67 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-22-05 09:11 PM   #68 
                          - Here's his reward  janedoe   Jul-22-05 09:24 PM   #69 
                          - He's even listed on the White House site!-No child left behind  janedoe   Jul-22-05 09:38 PM   #70 
                          - When I don't know who says what and what story to believe...  hack89   Jul-22-05 09:56 PM   #71 
                          - Don't worry, nobody's trying to interfere with your beliefs.  pox americana   Jul-22-05 10:50 PM   #72 
                          - Inside joke...  hack89   Jul-23-05 07:33 AM   #76 
                          - does the unbelievability of the official story not worry you?  rman   Jul-23-05 05:36 AM   #75 
                             - So we two unbelievable stories instead of one,  hack89   Jul-23-05 07:38 AM   #77 
                                - You do not answer my question.  rman   Jul-23-05 07:49 AM   #78 
                                   - Didn't mean to confuse you...  hack89   Jul-23-05 07:59 AM   #80 
                                   - The official story does not explain the collapse of WTC7  rman   Jul-23-05 08:03 AM   #81 
                                   - The NIST report expalins more about WTC 7  hack89   Jul-23-05 08:32 AM   #83 
                                   - If it does,  rman   Jul-23-05 08:40 AM   #85 
                                   - I don't hold you alone to a higher standard..  hack89   Jul-23-05 08:43 AM   #87 
                                   - But you do hold 'us' to a higher standard then you do the government?  rman   Jul-23-05 08:52 AM   #89 
                                   - But the CT community doesn't even meet the government standard  hack89   Jul-23-05 09:41 AM   #91 
                                   - Good grief, where have you been?  pox americana   Jul-23-05 10:02 AM   #93 
                                   - I guess not..  hack89   Jul-23-05 10:37 AM   #95 
                                   - Start here:  pox americana   Jul-23-05 10:48 AM   #96 
                                   - Hack Convienently Ignores Fear Of Experts  Christophera   Aug-13-05 02:50 AM   #162 
                          - Van Romero  pox americana   Jul-23-05 10:26 AM   #94 
           - Hack, why it is inconsistant to think explosives?  nomatrix   Jul-23-05 05:05 AM   #74 
              - Here is my issue with explosives..  hack89   Jul-23-05 07:54 AM   #79 
                 - The official story doesn't explain much either.  rman   Jul-23-05 08:24 AM   #82 
                 - The NIST report has more details  hack89   Jul-23-05 08:33 AM   #84 
                 - How about a point by point rebutal by you, of the points presented  rman   Jul-23-05 08:51 AM   #88 
                 - Can you show a single structural engineer ..  hack89   Jul-23-05 08:41 AM   #86 
                    - see the OP  rman   Jul-23-05 08:53 AM   #90 
                    - I'm a single structural engineer and a materials expert...  janedoe   Jul-23-05 11:23 AM   #98 
                       - Do you believe that your views are in the mainstream of your profession?  hack89   Jul-23-05 11:59 AM   #100 
                       - You asked, "Can you show a single structural engineer"  pox americana   Jul-23-05 12:38 PM   #102 
                          - I was hoping that Janedoe  hack89   Jul-23-05 02:09 PM   #104 
                             - There is one guy I know of...  AZCat   Jul-24-05 05:45 PM   #137 
                                - Thanks n/t  hack89   Jul-24-05 06:19 PM   #138 
                       - That 's great , the forum now has a structural engineer and  LARED   Jul-23-05 06:57 PM   #114 
                          - Apparently that information is difficult to find with GOOGLE. ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-21-05 09:10 PM   #249 
                 - There were 80 elevator technicians working in WTC 1 and 2 on 9/11  pox americana   Jul-23-05 09:50 AM   #92 
                 - p.s.  pox americana   Jul-23-05 11:19 AM   #97 
                    - Any maintenance work replacing light bulbs in a dropped ceiling  janedoe   Jul-23-05 11:28 AM   #99 
                 - where's your proof?  demodewd   Jul-23-05 12:17 PM   #101 
                    - Well, heres a chance to convert me..  hack89   Jul-23-05 01:49 PM   #103 
                       - can't support these theories  demodewd   Jul-23-05 02:11 PM   #105 
                          - I never asked you to believe the official story  hack89   Jul-23-05 02:35 PM   #106 
                             - official story  petgoat   Jul-23-05 03:11 PM   #108 
                                - You don't get it - do you?  hack89   Jul-23-05 03:34 PM   #109 
                                - For the imagination challenged, try this:  pox americana   Jul-23-05 03:52 PM   #111 
                                   - 2a : And the guy who wired the buildings did..... n/t  hack89   Jul-23-05 06:30 PM   #112 
                                      - I hate to give away the ending, but here's a clue:  pox americana   Jul-23-05 06:48 PM   #113 
                                      - Ok - if you say so. n/t  hack89   Jul-23-05 07:42 PM   #115 
                                      - Thanks, I thought you'd like it. n/t  pox americana   Jul-23-05 08:09 PM   #117 
                                      - Maybe  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-12-05 10:10 AM   #154 
                                - So pancaking is a "theory" now?  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 02:57 AM   #262 
                                   - "So pancaking is a "theory" now?"  petgoat   Aug-24-05 04:39 PM   #273 
        - The week end before 9/11 they closed the building for major renovations  philb   Jul-24-05 04:41 PM   #133 
        - detonators  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-12-05 10:07 AM   #153 
        - Doesn't it depend on the type of explosive used? (n/t)  janedoe   Aug-12-05 10:53 AM   #157 
           - Not if we are talking about  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-12-05 11:45 AM   #158 
              - No kidding!  janedoe   Aug-12-05 09:14 PM   #160 
                 - So then why did you ask? (n/t)  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-13-05 08:17 AM   #163 
        - I suppose  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:37 AM   #269 
           - Why add explosives? Because every movie needs explosions.  petgoat   Aug-24-05 11:38 PM   #277 
        - Impossible  Kevin Fenton   Jul-22-05 02:21 AM   #42 
           - Impossible?  petgoat   Jul-23-05 02:54 PM   #107 
           - They didn't rig the buildings when they built them....  mikelewis   Jul-24-05 03:37 AM   #122 
              - 2 Planes 3 Buildings is Intellectually Dissonant  petgoat   Jul-24-05 11:50 AM   #127 
                 - First of all, you wouldn't need tons and tons of explosives...  mikelewis   Jul-24-05 04:10 PM   #131 
                 - you wouldn't need tons and tons of explosives  petgoat   Jul-24-05 04:29 PM   #132 
                 - Not For Ordinary DEMO Where Big Pieces Are Found, Or Free Fall Seen  Christophera   Aug-18-05 11:38 AM   #191 
                    - which would call for literally several tons of explosives  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-19-05 07:32 AM   #221 
                       - Minimum Explosives = 14 Tons & There Is No Gravel In Floors  Christophera   Aug-23-05 12:53 PM   #259 
                          - 82.5 tons of explosives  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-26-05 02:11 PM   #280 
                 - "When the explosives were planted is irrelevant"  MindMatter   Jul-24-05 05:14 PM   #136 
                    - Welcome to DU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  spooked911   Aug-20-05 05:36 PM   #231 
           - They have some pretty powerful explosives in small packages these days  philb   Jul-24-05 04:44 PM   #134 
              - Yep, exactly.  spooked911   Aug-20-05 05:35 PM   #230 
        - I'll second that.  janedoe   Jul-22-05 01:26 AM   #39 
  - I'm sorry, but I don't believe we need to answer that question...  mikelewis   Jul-23-05 08:10 PM   #118 
     - NIST Computer Modeling  petgoat   Jul-24-05 01:43 AM   #121 
  - What Collapse? I Only Saw A Demolition.....  Christophera   Jul-23-05 03:35 PM   #110 
  - A classic, incoherent Christophera post - we missed you! n/t  hack89   Jul-23-05 07:44 PM   #116 
     - classic ad hominem  rman   Jul-24-05 06:45 AM   #123 
        - Yep n/t  hack89   Jul-24-05 09:12 AM   #124 
  - How much explosives would be needed?  Old and In the Way   Jul-23-05 08:10 PM   #119 
  - So a little RDX does a lot of destruction. is this commonly used  philb   Jul-24-05 04:50 PM   #135 
  - Hmmm a gas storage tank?  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-12-05 10:02 AM   #152 
  - New witness reports explosion before WTC2 collapsed  philb   Jul-25-05 11:42 PM   #145 
  - What caused the huge wall of heat reported by many witnesses?  philb   Jul-25-05 11:44 PM   #146 
  - Firemen and survivors report basement explosion at WTC2 before  philb   Aug-12-05 09:16 PM   #161 
  - Hundreds of firement statements released under FOIA- explosions reported  philb   Aug-16-05 11:07 PM   #170 
  - Here's another article saying that the speed of the towers collapse  spooked911   Aug-17-05 08:03 AM   #173 
  - Serious question  LARED   Aug-17-05 09:34 AM   #174 
     - Huh? When did I ever cling to this?  spooked911   Aug-17-05 11:30 AM   #176 
        - Not clinging you say? So how about advocating?  LARED   Aug-17-05 11:43 AM   #177 
        - All I said here was that the article claims  spooked911   Aug-17-05 12:38 PM   #179 
           - Ok  LARED   Aug-17-05 02:59 PM   #182 
           - This begs the question  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 10:00 AM   #189 
              - It would collapse much much slower, and maybe not collapse completely  spooked911   Aug-18-05 02:09 PM   #196 
                 - In order to know this  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 02:17 PM   #198 
                    - You don't have to know that in order to know that it doesn't make sense  spooked911   Aug-18-05 03:32 PM   #200 
                       - Perfect - mystery solved!  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 03:52 PM   #201 
                          - Oh yeah, the FBI. They certainly left no stoned unturned in their  spooked911   Aug-18-05 04:16 PM   #202 
                             - Explosive jets  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 08:24 PM   #208 
                             - Denial is a wonderful thing.  spooked911   Aug-18-05 10:19 PM   #214 
                             - In Above Ground Blasting It's Referred To As "rifle shot".  Christophera   Aug-19-05 02:46 AM   #217 
                             - You mean these?  janedoe   Aug-18-05 09:06 PM   #212 
                                - Those isolated puffs are disturbing;  petgoat   Aug-18-05 10:41 PM   #215 
                                - If those were explosive blasts  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-19-05 06:49 AM   #220 
                                   - "A good explanation would be that the floors are collapsing internally  petgoat   Aug-19-05 08:53 PM   #225 
                                   - "Then they (EXP.) obviously had nothing to do with the building collapse"  Christophera   Aug-20-05 02:54 PM   #226 
                                      - "How can windows hold enough air pressure?"  petgoat   Aug-20-05 03:08 PM   #227 
                                         - Windows? What windows?  janedoe   Aug-20-05 05:00 PM   #228 
                                            - Whoa-- that is a really important find. That simply screams planted  spooked911   Aug-20-05 05:34 PM   #229 
                                            - It "screams planted explosives?" How so? ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-20-05 06:06 PM   #232 
                                               - In that there wouldn't be windows blowing out at that part of the building  spooked911   Aug-20-05 07:43 PM   #233 
                                               - I guess it's possible there are vents.  Make7   Aug-20-05 08:07 PM   #235 
                                               - I guarantee you won't get a response to this...  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-21-05 08:27 AM   #238 
                                               - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 08:59 AM   #241 
                                               - I think you may have jinxed it. ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-21-05 09:58 AM   #244 
                                               - Golly..........I must have jinxed the base of WTC2 aswell!.............  seatnineb   Aug-21-05 01:12 PM   #247 
                                               - Umm...I was responding to vincent_vega_lives.  Make7   Aug-21-05 09:28 PM   #250 
                                               - O.K  seatnineb   Aug-22-05 08:16 AM   #253 
                                               - Thanks for the link.  Make7   Aug-22-05 09:37 AM   #254 
                                               - Where there is smoke at the base ......there is a collapse........  seatnineb   Aug-22-05 11:05 AM   #255 
                                               - I believe the saying is:  Make7   Aug-23-05 08:35 AM   #256 
                                               - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-23-05 11:30 AM   #257 
                                               - I could've swore that I read FDNY interviews that mentioned...  Make7   Aug-23-05 12:46 PM   #258 
                                               - I stand corrected...here is your fire........BEFORE WTC +WTC2 fell........  seatnineb   Aug-23-05 03:08 PM   #260 
                                               - I'm still curious about what's going on in this picture:  Make7   Aug-24-05 02:13 AM   #261 
                                               - actually it doesn't  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:42 AM   #270 
                                               - You might be right....but you might be wrong.....  seatnineb   Aug-24-05 08:28 AM   #272 
                                               - "doesn't look like a standard demolition." But Van Romero said it did n/t  petgoat   Aug-24-05 04:44 PM   #274 
                                               - Mod......You seem to have a problem with this photo?  seatnineb   Aug-26-05 02:46 PM   #281 
                                               - Perhaps it is because of the website hosting the image. ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-27-05 10:31 AM   #283 
                                               - Yes......that it is what I thought too.........but.....  seatnineb   Aug-27-05 01:12 PM   #284 
                                               - I don't know.  Make7   Aug-27-05 03:23 PM   #285 
                                               - Ejecta  Kevin Fenton   Aug-21-05 08:45 AM   #240 
                                               - I was just saying that there are vents for air circulation.  Make7   Aug-21-05 10:34 AM   #245 
                                               - Various  Kevin Fenton   Aug-21-05 11:55 AM   #246 
                                               - Yes, it did happen on other floors too.  Make7   Aug-21-05 10:17 PM   #251 
                                               - Did UAL 175 Destroy 10 Core Columns?  petgoat   Aug-21-05 11:27 PM   #252 
                                               - Okay, guess I got a little over-excited there.  spooked911   Aug-21-05 09:04 AM   #242 
                                               - No problem - it happens to all of us. ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-21-05 09:54 AM   #243 
                                               - If Compresed Air From Vents, Why Only Some? Windows Above Unprotected.  Christophera   Aug-21-05 01:29 PM   #248 
                                            - Wow, You're Right, Nearly Solid Concrete. There Are Windows above and ...  Christophera   Aug-20-05 07:54 PM   #234 
                                            - Good Eye, Jane. I just noticed those bands today, wondered what they  petgoat   Aug-21-05 02:22 AM   #236 
        - Wait, didn't I see a post, somewhere,  janedoe   Aug-17-05 12:10 PM   #178 
           - Actually 16 seconds for 1/3 PE was your calculation.  Make7   Aug-18-05 11:07 AM   #190 
  - NY Firemen & Policemen- lots of reports of explosions at both WTC building  philb   Aug-27-05 10:00 AM   #282 
 

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