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105. can't support these theories
Maybe you should start providing a feasible scientific explanation for your position. Of which I haven't seen any. Sorry if I don't buy into the total collapse of the buildings within 14 seconds theory,the sufficient amount of energy to provide the massive pulverization of non-metallic materials and still have sufficient energy to reduce the entire building into a pile of steel and dust in 14 seconds theory,or the causation of collapse by exposed steel beams that had lost their asbestos fire proofing theory. Or the fires burnt hot enough to compromise the entire steel columns on one floor that thusly fell simultaneously and met absolutely no resistance from the floor(s) below theory.
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  -"Hard Science and the Collapse of the World Trade Center" spooked911  Jul-20-05 10:08 PM   #0 
  - The article  MrSammo1   Jul-20-05 10:22 PM   #1 
  - "THE WINDY TOWERS OF 9-11"  pox americana   Jul-20-05 11:15 PM   #2 
  - Cool Site!  janedoe   Jul-21-05 11:28 AM   #7 
  - what a wonderful site you linked to NT  mirandapriestly   Aug-14-05 11:49 PM   #166 
  - I think he nailed the problem with the pancake theory.  pox americana   Jul-20-05 11:18 PM   #3 
  - This is NOT what a "progressive collapse" would look like.  Christophera   Jul-21-05 12:28 AM   #4 
  - Agreed. I think this article really helped put me over the top believing  spooked911   Jul-21-05 08:30 AM   #6 
     - I think the minimum time would be longer.  janedoe   Jul-21-05 11:49 AM   #8 
     - So much for the terrorist theory.  pox americana   Jul-21-05 06:31 PM   #16 
     - Thanks.  janedoe   Jul-21-05 06:41 PM   #18 
     - "the terrorist theory?"  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:05 AM   #264 
     - Beautifully and logically put! Thank you!  spooked911   Jul-21-05 07:23 PM   #20 
     - Many thanks! (n/t)  janedoe   Jul-21-05 08:10 PM   #24 
     - Those really are lovely graphs  LARED   Jul-21-05 07:58 PM   #22 
     - I think you missed the point  pox americana   Jul-21-05 08:10 PM   #23 
     - No I didn't miss that point  LARED   Jul-21-05 08:44 PM   #26 
     - You just missed it again!  pox americana   Jul-21-05 08:58 PM   #27 
     - Kinetic energy perhaps? n/t  hack89   Jul-21-05 09:18 PM   #28 
     - What about it? n/t  pox americana   Jul-21-05 09:24 PM   #29 
        - From Lared's post  hack89   Jul-21-05 09:34 PM   #30 
           - Let's see.  pox americana   Jul-21-05 09:51 PM   #32 
     - Again, the graphical model  LARED   Jul-21-05 09:48 PM   #31 
     - "That's not possible. "  pox americana   Jul-21-05 09:55 PM   #33 
     - So, you agree the graphs are meaningless?  LARED   Jul-22-05 04:47 AM   #43 
     - It looks like LARED had nightmares all night. ;-)  janedoe   Jul-22-05 05:38 AM   #44 
        - Slept like a baby  LARED   Jul-22-05 06:55 AM   #47 
           - It looked like you were disoriented and not fully awake.  janedoe   Jul-22-05 12:59 PM   #49 
              - That was in reponse to this comment  LARED   Jul-22-05 02:41 PM   #56 
              - excuse me?  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:16 AM   #267 
     - Are you one of those that have been taken in by the myth that  LARED   Jul-22-05 06:56 AM   # 
        - Hmm..  StrafingMoose   Jul-22-05 01:19 PM   #51 
        - 10 seconds is far too short  LARED   Jul-22-05 01:41 PM   #52 
           - I was trying to respect your personal beliefs.  pox americana   Jul-22-05 01:57 PM   #53 
           - I'm certain there's a coherent thought process somewhere  LARED   Jul-22-05 02:42 PM   #57 
              - read it over a few times  pox americana   Jul-22-05 04:59 PM   #59 
                 - I've read it over a few more times  LARED   Jul-22-05 07:50 PM   #64 
                    - Sometimes it can be difficult to answer a simple question.  Make7   Jul-24-05 10:05 PM   #140 
                       - Yes, thanks for finding that.  pox americana   Jul-25-05 10:04 PM   #144 
           - Well now, THAT makes all the difference, then. (nt)  stickdog   Aug-12-05 10:19 AM   #156 
              - Yep, clearly that extra 5 seconds PROVES no explosives were used.....not.  spooked911   Aug-17-05 12:51 PM   #180 
                 - But if in only takes 1/3 of the building's potential energy to destroy it,  janedoe   Aug-17-05 01:27 PM   #181 
                    - do the math  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 09:55 AM   #188 
                    - Again  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 08:26 PM   #209 
                    - Who said it only took 1/3 of the buildings PE to destroy it? ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-19-05 05:31 AM   #218 
        - No Myth. Some Parts Of The Top Made It To the Ground In 10 Seconds  Christophera   Aug-14-05 07:32 PM   #164 
           - I think the time in question is ...  Make7   Aug-14-05 10:24 PM   #165 
              - Agreed, Estimates With Allowable +/- Will Suffice. They Fell Too Fast.  Christophera   Aug-17-05 02:15 AM   #171 
                 - It may have been too fast, it may not have.  Make7   Aug-17-05 02:47 AM   #172 
                    - Plane Impacts Could Have Only Caused The Tower Tops To Fall  Christophera   Aug-17-05 11:12 AM   #175 
                       - I don't believe it is "hoakie."  Make7   Aug-18-05 06:58 AM   #183 
     - In your theory, what caused the the kinetic energy?  stickdog   Aug-12-05 10:17 AM   #155 
        - Gravity  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 09:08 AM   #184 
           - More magical physics.  pox americana   Aug-18-05 12:10 PM   #192 
              - But, what was pushing down?  janedoe   Aug-18-05 01:00 PM   #193 
              - The structure is disintegrating on the way down, true  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 01:55 PM   #195 
                 - Magical Physics  janedoe   Aug-18-05 02:15 PM   #197 
                    - U2 with the magical crap?  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 02:34 PM   #199 
                       - "The building was both pancaking up and down at the same time"  pox americana   Aug-18-05 07:08 PM   #204 
                          - Tell ya what  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 08:21 PM   #207 
                          - "gravity is explosive"  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 08:29 PM   #210 
                          - Here's some calcualtions for you  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-19-05 07:35 AM   #222 
                             - Three wrongs don't make a right. (n/t)  pox americana   Aug-19-05 12:49 PM   #223 
                             - Lay it out  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-21-05 08:10 AM   #237 
                             - But three lefts do make a right. ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-21-05 08:28 AM   #239 
                             - OK lets see your caculations  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-29-05 08:00 AM   #286 
              - You seem to be implying  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 01:49 PM   #194 
                 - Impact and Fire  petgoat   Aug-18-05 06:32 PM   #203 
                 - "like bullet hitting tree."  pox americana   Aug-18-05 07:12 PM   #205 
                 - A bullet hitting a tree  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 08:43 PM   #211 
                    - A tree is not a homogeneous material!  janedoe   Aug-18-05 09:29 PM   #213 
                       - Compared to an office building it most certainly is  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-19-05 06:35 AM   #219 
                 - Negligible. Find a floor plan and look at it. You'll see why.  pox americana   Aug-18-05 07:15 PM   #206 
     - Wait a minute  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:10 AM   #266 
        - Just a hunch, but did your physics teacher also teach PE?  pox americana   Aug-24-05 10:21 PM   #275 
     - Hmm..  StrafingMoose   Jul-22-05 06:56 AM   #48 
     - Thanks. Good answer.  janedoe   Jul-21-05 10:13 PM   #35 
     - Thanks for the compliments!  janedoe   Jul-21-05 09:59 PM   #34 
     - Those are the most incriminating photos I've seen.  pox americana   Jul-22-05 12:43 AM   #38 
        - Thanks.  janedoe   Jul-22-05 02:02 AM   #40 
     - The beams were designed to hold the entire weight of the building  philb   Jul-24-05 02:37 PM   #129 
     - Big difference between mass at at rest and at acceleration  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 09:28 AM   #185 
     - THANK YOU  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:08 AM   #265 
        - You're welcome (n/t)  LARED   Aug-24-05 04:57 AM   #271 
     - 99.5 seconds  Make7   Jul-22-05 06:09 AM   #45 
     - Read both again. He's not solving the same problem.  janedoe   Jul-22-05 06:51 AM   #46 
        - floating floors, no resistance, and kinetic energy  Make7   Jul-24-05 09:24 PM   #139 
        - simplification  janedoe   Jul-24-05 11:04 PM   #141 
           - simple scenario for a simple situation  Make7   Jul-25-05 06:08 AM   #142 
              - Please read my post #8 again  janedoe   Jul-25-05 01:22 PM   #143 
                 - Okay, I believe you.  Make7   Jul-29-05 12:37 AM   #147 
                    - I don't understand the point you are trying to make.  janedoe   Jul-29-05 01:20 AM   #148 
                    - I think the collapse times are about 15 to 16 seconds.  Make7   Jul-29-05 02:01 AM   #150 
                       - Time taken conserving momentum  AlienSpaceBat   Aug-29-05 12:35 PM   #287 
                          - Is that you Mr. Hoffman? ( n/t )  Make7   Sep-03-05 07:26 AM   #288 
                             - No such claim to fame !  AlienSpaceBat   Sep-04-05 11:44 AM   #289 
                                - So if we take your figure of 9.73 seconds....  Make7   Sep-04-05 12:59 PM   #290 
                                   - it's possible ...  AlienSpaceBat   Sep-04-05 04:58 PM   #291 
                    - Demoliton waves ahead of free fall.  janedoe   Jul-29-05 01:58 AM   #149 
                       - This Must Have Been Just Before WTC 1 Left The Spire  Christophera   Aug-12-05 08:38 PM   #159 
        - Time period of any resistance was negligible  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 09:37 AM   #186 
     - Jane...  reprehensor   Jul-23-05 08:43 PM   #120 
     - wow. just wow. n/t  librechik   Aug-16-05 08:59 PM   #168 
     - Who repealed the laws of Physics?  janedoe   Jul-21-05 12:41 PM   #10 
  - The words and picture do not match.  Make7   Aug-12-05 08:43 AM   #151 
  - How does gravity make explosions?  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-16-05 12:08 PM   #167 
  - It doesn't, explosives do.  pox americana   Aug-16-05 09:21 PM   #169 
     - The propellant charge only acts to impart velocity  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 09:48 AM   #187 
  - uh...  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:02 AM   #263 
     - It's an anomaly alright.  pox americana   Aug-24-05 11:24 PM   #276 
     - "Even the most distinguished engineers couldn't have told you  petgoat   Aug-24-05 11:45 PM   #279 
  - Good post, thanks (n/t)  Kevin Fenton   Jul-21-05 12:55 AM   #5 
  - Thanks for the post. Great stuff! n/t  pauldp   Jul-21-05 12:34 PM   #9 
  - Enjoying the silence of critics...  Ezlivin   Jul-21-05 01:02 PM   #11 
  - We'll have to be our own critics, I guess.  janedoe   Jul-21-05 02:31 PM   #12 
  - "How did the terrorists get access to the buildings"  petgoat   Aug-24-05 11:41 PM   #278 
  - Agreed!  seatnineb   Jul-21-05 02:39 PM   #13 
  - Not so silent now is it? n/t  hack89   Jul-22-05 06:27 PM   #61 
  - a-ha  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:33 AM   #268 
  - Were the explosives built in or added later?  realFedUp   Jul-21-05 05:19 PM   #14 
  - Good question.  pox americana   Jul-21-05 06:27 PM   #15 
  - Explosives after 1993  Kevin Fenton   Jul-22-05 02:16 AM   #41 
  - thanks Kevin  pox americana   Jul-22-05 10:54 PM   #73 
  - I don't make stuff up  Kevin Fenton   Jul-24-05 10:02 AM   #125 
     - hey thanks  pox americana   Jul-24-05 11:30 AM   #126 
        - Bowing walls  Kevin Fenton   Jul-24-05 11:56 AM   #128 
  - Explosives after 1993  MindMatter   Jul-24-05 03:25 PM   #130 
     - Silverstein, etc.  Kevin Fenton   Aug-19-05 01:20 PM   #224 
  - Thermite Added In Remodel After 1993 Bombing, Basement.  Christophera   Aug-19-05 02:32 AM   #216 
  - No.  janedoe   Jul-21-05 06:34 PM   #17 
  - Were there explosives on every floor?  hack89   Jul-21-05 07:04 PM   #19 
     - I have an idea-- now that we've convinced you it was controlled demo  spooked911   Jul-21-05 07:29 PM   #21 
        - No..  hack89   Jul-21-05 08:12 PM   #25 
        - Do you really think it would be so difficult to wire them? They were  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-21-05 11:04 PM   #36 
        - Difficult to wire them?  petgoat   Jul-21-05 11:28 PM   #37 
        - Then please fill in the blanks  hack89   Jul-22-05 01:05 PM   #50 
           - That's what the 9/11 Commission was supposed to figure out  pox americana   Jul-22-05 01:59 PM   #54 
           - So if I understand correctly...  hack89   Jul-22-05 02:09 PM   #55 
              - Sorry, I'd love to believe the official fairy tale  pox americana   Jul-22-05 04:57 PM   #58 
                 - So articulate a detailed and reasonable alternative! n/t  hack89   Jul-22-05 05:09 PM   #60 
                    - Okay I'll spell it out one more time, just for you.  pox americana   Jul-22-05 07:29 PM   #62 
                       - I don't think that met the criteria of  LARED   Jul-22-05 07:48 PM   #63 
                       - Can you take it one step further?  hack89   Jul-22-05 07:51 PM   #65 
                       - Ummm... don't you remember the demolition expert who said  janedoe   Jul-22-05 08:30 PM   #66 
                          - No, I don't remember - name and link please. n/t  hack89   Jul-22-05 08:46 PM   #67 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-22-05 09:11 PM   #68 
                          - Here's his reward  janedoe   Jul-22-05 09:24 PM   #69 
                          - He's even listed on the White House site!-No child left behind  janedoe   Jul-22-05 09:38 PM   #70 
                          - When I don't know who says what and what story to believe...  hack89   Jul-22-05 09:56 PM   #71 
                          - Don't worry, nobody's trying to interfere with your beliefs.  pox americana   Jul-22-05 10:50 PM   #72 
                          - Inside joke...  hack89   Jul-23-05 07:33 AM   #76 
                          - does the unbelievability of the official story not worry you?  rman   Jul-23-05 05:36 AM   #75 
                             - So we two unbelievable stories instead of one,  hack89   Jul-23-05 07:38 AM   #77 
                                - You do not answer my question.  rman   Jul-23-05 07:49 AM   #78 
                                   - Didn't mean to confuse you...  hack89   Jul-23-05 07:59 AM   #80 
                                   - The official story does not explain the collapse of WTC7  rman   Jul-23-05 08:03 AM   #81 
                                   - The NIST report expalins more about WTC 7  hack89   Jul-23-05 08:32 AM   #83 
                                   - If it does,  rman   Jul-23-05 08:40 AM   #85 
                                   - I don't hold you alone to a higher standard..  hack89   Jul-23-05 08:43 AM   #87 
                                   - But you do hold 'us' to a higher standard then you do the government?  rman   Jul-23-05 08:52 AM   #89 
                                   - But the CT community doesn't even meet the government standard  hack89   Jul-23-05 09:41 AM   #91 
                                   - Good grief, where have you been?  pox americana   Jul-23-05 10:02 AM   #93 
                                   - I guess not..  hack89   Jul-23-05 10:37 AM   #95 
                                   - Start here:  pox americana   Jul-23-05 10:48 AM   #96 
                                   - Hack Convienently Ignores Fear Of Experts  Christophera   Aug-13-05 02:50 AM   #162 
                          - Van Romero  pox americana   Jul-23-05 10:26 AM   #94 
           - Hack, why it is inconsistant to think explosives?  nomatrix   Jul-23-05 05:05 AM   #74 
              - Here is my issue with explosives..  hack89   Jul-23-05 07:54 AM   #79 
                 - The official story doesn't explain much either.  rman   Jul-23-05 08:24 AM   #82 
                 - The NIST report has more details  hack89   Jul-23-05 08:33 AM   #84 
                 - How about a point by point rebutal by you, of the points presented  rman   Jul-23-05 08:51 AM   #88 
                 - Can you show a single structural engineer ..  hack89   Jul-23-05 08:41 AM   #86 
                    - see the OP  rman   Jul-23-05 08:53 AM   #90 
                    - I'm a single structural engineer and a materials expert...  janedoe   Jul-23-05 11:23 AM   #98 
                       - Do you believe that your views are in the mainstream of your profession?  hack89   Jul-23-05 11:59 AM   #100 
                       - You asked, "Can you show a single structural engineer"  pox americana   Jul-23-05 12:38 PM   #102 
                          - I was hoping that Janedoe  hack89   Jul-23-05 02:09 PM   #104 
                             - There is one guy I know of...  AZCat   Jul-24-05 05:45 PM   #137 
                                - Thanks n/t  hack89   Jul-24-05 06:19 PM   #138 
                       - That 's great , the forum now has a structural engineer and  LARED   Jul-23-05 06:57 PM   #114 
                          - Apparently that information is difficult to find with GOOGLE. ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-21-05 09:10 PM   #249 
                 - There were 80 elevator technicians working in WTC 1 and 2 on 9/11  pox americana   Jul-23-05 09:50 AM   #92 
                 - p.s.  pox americana   Jul-23-05 11:19 AM   #97 
                    - Any maintenance work replacing light bulbs in a dropped ceiling  janedoe   Jul-23-05 11:28 AM   #99 
                 - where's your proof?  demodewd   Jul-23-05 12:17 PM   #101 
                    - Well, heres a chance to convert me..  hack89   Jul-23-05 01:49 PM   #103 
                       - can't support these theories  demodewd   Jul-23-05 02:11 PM   #105 
                          - I never asked you to believe the official story  hack89   Jul-23-05 02:35 PM   #106 
                             - official story  petgoat   Jul-23-05 03:11 PM   #108 
                                - You don't get it - do you?  hack89   Jul-23-05 03:34 PM   #109 
                                - For the imagination challenged, try this:  pox americana   Jul-23-05 03:52 PM   #111 
                                   - 2a : And the guy who wired the buildings did..... n/t  hack89   Jul-23-05 06:30 PM   #112 
                                      - I hate to give away the ending, but here's a clue:  pox americana   Jul-23-05 06:48 PM   #113 
                                      - Ok - if you say so. n/t  hack89   Jul-23-05 07:42 PM   #115 
                                      - Thanks, I thought you'd like it. n/t  pox americana   Jul-23-05 08:09 PM   #117 
                                      - Maybe  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-12-05 10:10 AM   #154 
                                - So pancaking is a "theory" now?  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 02:57 AM   #262 
                                   - "So pancaking is a "theory" now?"  petgoat   Aug-24-05 04:39 PM   #273 
        - The week end before 9/11 they closed the building for major renovations  philb   Jul-24-05 04:41 PM   #133 
        - detonators  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-12-05 10:07 AM   #153 
        - Doesn't it depend on the type of explosive used? (n/t)  janedoe   Aug-12-05 10:53 AM   #157 
           - Not if we are talking about  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-12-05 11:45 AM   #158 
              - No kidding!  janedoe   Aug-12-05 09:14 PM   #160 
                 - So then why did you ask? (n/t)  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-13-05 08:17 AM   #163 
        - I suppose  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:37 AM   #269 
           - Why add explosives? Because every movie needs explosions.  petgoat   Aug-24-05 11:38 PM   #277 
        - Impossible  Kevin Fenton   Jul-22-05 02:21 AM   #42 
           - Impossible?  petgoat   Jul-23-05 02:54 PM   #107 
           - They didn't rig the buildings when they built them....  mikelewis   Jul-24-05 03:37 AM   #122 
              - 2 Planes 3 Buildings is Intellectually Dissonant  petgoat   Jul-24-05 11:50 AM   #127 
                 - First of all, you wouldn't need tons and tons of explosives...  mikelewis   Jul-24-05 04:10 PM   #131 
                 - you wouldn't need tons and tons of explosives  petgoat   Jul-24-05 04:29 PM   #132 
                 - Not For Ordinary DEMO Where Big Pieces Are Found, Or Free Fall Seen  Christophera   Aug-18-05 11:38 AM   #191 
                    - which would call for literally several tons of explosives  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-19-05 07:32 AM   #221 
                       - Minimum Explosives = 14 Tons & There Is No Gravel In Floors  Christophera   Aug-23-05 12:53 PM   #259 
                          - 82.5 tons of explosives  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-26-05 02:11 PM   #280 
                 - "When the explosives were planted is irrelevant"  MindMatter   Jul-24-05 05:14 PM   #136 
                    - Welcome to DU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  spooked911   Aug-20-05 05:36 PM   #231 
           - They have some pretty powerful explosives in small packages these days  philb   Jul-24-05 04:44 PM   #134 
              - Yep, exactly.  spooked911   Aug-20-05 05:35 PM   #230 
        - I'll second that.  janedoe   Jul-22-05 01:26 AM   #39 
  - I'm sorry, but I don't believe we need to answer that question...  mikelewis   Jul-23-05 08:10 PM   #118 
     - NIST Computer Modeling  petgoat   Jul-24-05 01:43 AM   #121 
  - What Collapse? I Only Saw A Demolition.....  Christophera   Jul-23-05 03:35 PM   #110 
  - A classic, incoherent Christophera post - we missed you! n/t  hack89   Jul-23-05 07:44 PM   #116 
     - classic ad hominem  rman   Jul-24-05 06:45 AM   #123 
        - Yep n/t  hack89   Jul-24-05 09:12 AM   #124 
  - How much explosives would be needed?  Old and In the Way   Jul-23-05 08:10 PM   #119 
  - So a little RDX does a lot of destruction. is this commonly used  philb   Jul-24-05 04:50 PM   #135 
  - Hmmm a gas storage tank?  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-12-05 10:02 AM   #152 
  - New witness reports explosion before WTC2 collapsed  philb   Jul-25-05 11:42 PM   #145 
  - What caused the huge wall of heat reported by many witnesses?  philb   Jul-25-05 11:44 PM   #146 
  - Firemen and survivors report basement explosion at WTC2 before  philb   Aug-12-05 09:16 PM   #161 
  - Hundreds of firement statements released under FOIA- explosions reported  philb   Aug-16-05 11:07 PM   #170 
  - Here's another article saying that the speed of the towers collapse  spooked911   Aug-17-05 08:03 AM   #173 
  - Serious question  LARED   Aug-17-05 09:34 AM   #174 
     - Huh? When did I ever cling to this?  spooked911   Aug-17-05 11:30 AM   #176 
        - Not clinging you say? So how about advocating?  LARED   Aug-17-05 11:43 AM   #177 
        - All I said here was that the article claims  spooked911   Aug-17-05 12:38 PM   #179 
           - Ok  LARED   Aug-17-05 02:59 PM   #182 
           - This begs the question  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 10:00 AM   #189 
              - It would collapse much much slower, and maybe not collapse completely  spooked911   Aug-18-05 02:09 PM   #196 
                 - In order to know this  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 02:17 PM   #198 
                    - You don't have to know that in order to know that it doesn't make sense  spooked911   Aug-18-05 03:32 PM   #200 
                       - Perfect - mystery solved!  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 03:52 PM   #201 
                          - Oh yeah, the FBI. They certainly left no stoned unturned in their  spooked911   Aug-18-05 04:16 PM   #202 
                             - Explosive jets  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-18-05 08:24 PM   #208 
                             - Denial is a wonderful thing.  spooked911   Aug-18-05 10:19 PM   #214 
                             - In Above Ground Blasting It's Referred To As "rifle shot".  Christophera   Aug-19-05 02:46 AM   #217 
                             - You mean these?  janedoe   Aug-18-05 09:06 PM   #212 
                                - Those isolated puffs are disturbing;  petgoat   Aug-18-05 10:41 PM   #215 
                                - If those were explosive blasts  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-19-05 06:49 AM   #220 
                                   - "A good explanation would be that the floors are collapsing internally  petgoat   Aug-19-05 08:53 PM   #225 
                                   - "Then they (EXP.) obviously had nothing to do with the building collapse"  Christophera   Aug-20-05 02:54 PM   #226 
                                      - "How can windows hold enough air pressure?"  petgoat   Aug-20-05 03:08 PM   #227 
                                         - Windows? What windows?  janedoe   Aug-20-05 05:00 PM   #228 
                                            - Whoa-- that is a really important find. That simply screams planted  spooked911   Aug-20-05 05:34 PM   #229 
                                            - It "screams planted explosives?" How so? ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-20-05 06:06 PM   #232 
                                               - In that there wouldn't be windows blowing out at that part of the building  spooked911   Aug-20-05 07:43 PM   #233 
                                               - I guess it's possible there are vents.  Make7   Aug-20-05 08:07 PM   #235 
                                               - I guarantee you won't get a response to this...  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-21-05 08:27 AM   #238 
                                               - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-05 08:59 AM   #241 
                                               - I think you may have jinxed it. ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-21-05 09:58 AM   #244 
                                               - Golly..........I must have jinxed the base of WTC2 aswell!.............  seatnineb   Aug-21-05 01:12 PM   #247 
                                               - Umm...I was responding to vincent_vega_lives.  Make7   Aug-21-05 09:28 PM   #250 
                                               - O.K  seatnineb   Aug-22-05 08:16 AM   #253 
                                               - Thanks for the link.  Make7   Aug-22-05 09:37 AM   #254 
                                               - Where there is smoke at the base ......there is a collapse........  seatnineb   Aug-22-05 11:05 AM   #255 
                                               - I believe the saying is:  Make7   Aug-23-05 08:35 AM   #256 
                                               - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-23-05 11:30 AM   #257 
                                               - I could've swore that I read FDNY interviews that mentioned...  Make7   Aug-23-05 12:46 PM   #258 
                                               - I stand corrected...here is your fire........BEFORE WTC +WTC2 fell........  seatnineb   Aug-23-05 03:08 PM   #260 
                                               - I'm still curious about what's going on in this picture:  Make7   Aug-24-05 02:13 AM   #261 
                                               - actually it doesn't  Rich Hunt   Aug-24-05 03:42 AM   #270 
                                               - You might be right....but you might be wrong.....  seatnineb   Aug-24-05 08:28 AM   #272 
                                               - "doesn't look like a standard demolition." But Van Romero said it did n/t  petgoat   Aug-24-05 04:44 PM   #274 
                                               - Mod......You seem to have a problem with this photo?  seatnineb   Aug-26-05 02:46 PM   #281 
                                               - Perhaps it is because of the website hosting the image. ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-27-05 10:31 AM   #283 
                                               - Yes......that it is what I thought too.........but.....  seatnineb   Aug-27-05 01:12 PM   #284 
                                               - I don't know.  Make7   Aug-27-05 03:23 PM   #285 
                                               - Ejecta  Kevin Fenton   Aug-21-05 08:45 AM   #240 
                                               - I was just saying that there are vents for air circulation.  Make7   Aug-21-05 10:34 AM   #245 
                                               - Various  Kevin Fenton   Aug-21-05 11:55 AM   #246 
                                               - Yes, it did happen on other floors too.  Make7   Aug-21-05 10:17 PM   #251 
                                               - Did UAL 175 Destroy 10 Core Columns?  petgoat   Aug-21-05 11:27 PM   #252 
                                               - Okay, guess I got a little over-excited there.  spooked911   Aug-21-05 09:04 AM   #242 
                                               - No problem - it happens to all of us. ( n/t )  Make7   Aug-21-05 09:54 AM   #243 
                                               - If Compresed Air From Vents, Why Only Some? Windows Above Unprotected.  Christophera   Aug-21-05 01:29 PM   #248 
                                            - Wow, You're Right, Nearly Solid Concrete. There Are Windows above and ...  Christophera   Aug-20-05 07:54 PM   #234 
                                            - Good Eye, Jane. I just noticed those bands today, wondered what they  petgoat   Aug-21-05 02:22 AM   #236 
        - Wait, didn't I see a post, somewhere,  janedoe   Aug-17-05 12:10 PM   #178 
           - Actually 16 seconds for 1/3 PE was your calculation.  Make7   Aug-18-05 11:07 AM   #190 
  - NY Firemen & Policemen- lots of reports of explosions at both WTC building  philb   Aug-27-05 10:00 AM   #282 
 

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