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27. "... about 20 minutes after ground controllers lost contact."
The following reports (Dallas Morning News, USA Today) are interesting, particularly with respect to the early stages of the emergency escorting.
Shooting down the plane "was never an option," Air Force spokesman Capt. Joe Della Vedova said. "I don't know where that came from."

Instead, according to an Air Force timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with a pair of F-16 Falcons from the Air National Guard at Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla., about 20 minutes after ground controllers lost contact.

An F-16 and an A-10 Warthog attack plane from Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., took up the chase a few minutes later and were trailing the Lear when it climbed abruptly from 39,000 to 44,000 feet at 9:52 a.m. CDT.

Fifteen minutes later, the F-16 intercepted the Lear, the pilot reporting no movement in the cockpit.

At 10:44 a.m., the fighters from Eglin diverted to St. Louis for fuel. Fifteen minutes later, four Air National Guard F-16s from Tulsa, Okla., took up the chase, accompanied by a KC-135 refueling tanker.

F-16s from Fargo, N.D., later scrambled to intercept the Lear jet, too. At noon Dallas time, the Fargo F-16s reported that the windows of the jet were fogged with ice and there was no evidence anyone was piloting the plane.

At 12:14, the Lear jetbegan to spiral. It crashed about six minutes later.
A preliminary chronology developed by the Air Force of events surrounding the crash Monday of a Learjet who passengers included professional golfer Payne Stewart. Material in quotations is verbatim from the chronology. All times are Eastern.

9:09 a.m. Plane leaves Orlando, Fla.

10:08 a.m. "FAA requested emergency escort." F-16 from Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., was airborne on routine mission when diverted to provide the initial escort.

10:52 a.m. "Aircraft jumped to 44,000." (Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon said the plane was "porpoising," fluctuating between 22,000 and 51,000 feet. This may be because it was on auto pilot.)

11 a.m. "Emergency track has five souls on board. Still no contact."

11:14 a.m. Responsibility for escorting plane is transferred from Southeast Air Defense sector to Western Air Defense sector.

11:25 a.m. "Lear 35 tail number N47BA."

11:44 a.m. Escort fighter from Eglin heads to Scott Air Force Base, Ill., for refueling.

11:59 a.m. FAA reports that four F-16s from Tulsa, Okla., and a refueling tanker (KC-135) are ready to help escort. (Bacon said these F-16s never got closer than 100 miles to the Learjet).

12:03 p.m. Northeast Air Defense sector scrambles two F-16s from Fargo, N.D. (Bacon said an AWACS radar plane on an exercise north of Chicago was diverted to provide additional radar coverage in the event the plane crossed into Canada.)

12:13 p.m. Learjet estimated to have one hour of fuel remaining. "Flight path on 320 (degrees) heading over mostly sparsely populated area."

12:16 p.m. "Northeast Air Defense sector reports aircraft will run out of fuel in vicinity of Pierre, S.D."

12:50 p.m. "Second set of jets scrambles from Fargo."

12:54 p.m. Fargo fighters intercept Learjet.

1 p.m. F-16s report that Learjet's windows are fogged with ice. "No flight control movement noted. Fargo F-16s 30 minutes fuel remaining."

1:13 p.m. Second set of Fargo F-16s put on alert. (Bacon said they were armed.)

1:14 p.m. Western Air Defense sector reports Learjet "beginning to spiral."
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  -Pentagon Hole Explanation LARED  May-07-05 07:04 AM   #0 
  - National Geographic changing the name of the Persian Gulf  seemslikeadream   May-07-05 09:28 AM   #1 
  - National Geographic responds like a credible organization  LARED   May-07-05 10:28 AM   #2 
     - Why wasn't it prevented by standard operating procedures?  ROH   May-07-05 02:18 PM   #3 
        - SOP's????  LARED   May-07-05 04:24 PM   #6 
        - The comments are from David Ray Griffin  ROH   May-07-05 06:19 PM   #9 
           - Would it be too much to ask....  Make7   May-07-05 09:48 PM   #13 
              - The second link presents the author's comments  ROH   May-07-05 10:43 PM   #17 
                 - How's this for a brief explanation:  Make7   May-07-05 11:38 PM   #22 
                    - "... about 20 minutes after ground controllers lost contact."  ROH   May-08-05 08:27 AM   #27 
                    - Times  Make7   May-08-05 03:45 PM   #33 
                       - Let's align the events in the reports...  ROH   May-08-05 10:03 PM   #52 
                          - I don't get it.  Make7   May-09-05 02:26 AM   #56 
                             - "... about 20 minutes after ground controllers lost contact."  ROH   May-09-05 11:32 AM   #59 
                                - When an intercept might not really be an intercept.  Make7   May-09-05 12:34 PM   #60 
                                   - Whatever we may decide regarding these several somewhat differing reports,  ROH   May-09-05 05:05 PM   #62 
                                      - You brought up the issue of standard operating procedures.  Make7   May-10-05 04:42 AM   #63 
                                         - Let's look at your own comments on NORAD notification...  ROH   May-10-05 09:15 AM   #64 
                                            - just save me the effort and tell me  Make7   May-11-05 03:03 AM   #70 
                                               - As I have already mentioned to you (see above messages)...  ROH   May-11-05 08:41 AM   #71 
                                               - Why wasn't it prevented by standard operating procedures?  Make7   May-15-05 08:37 PM   #74 
                                               - Thank you for your investigations...  ROH   May-15-05 09:44 PM   #76 
                    - The NTSB report makes itself dubious...  JackRiddler   May-10-05 03:20 PM   #65 
                       - An analysis that a detailed investigation would undertake...  ROH   May-10-05 04:45 PM   #68 
        - How do you think the Pentagon is defended from air attack? (NT)  hack89   May-07-05 04:56 PM   #7 
           - See above message  ROH   May-07-05 09:39 PM   #12 
           - Your example show a test pilot on a routine training flight..  hack89   May-08-05 10:32 AM   #28 
              - Specific comments from Griffin on the Pentagon defenses are as follows...  ROH   May-08-05 11:07 AM   #30 
                 - Griffin is wrong.  hack89   May-08-05 12:38 PM   #32 
                    - Since the Pentagon is not protected,  DulceDecorum   May-08-05 08:20 PM   #47 
                    - I did not say that the Pentagon was not protected....  hack89   May-08-05 09:49 PM   #51 
                    - Hmmm  TomClash   May-15-05 09:18 PM   #75 
                       - Think Patriot PAC-3 Think real new (NT)  hack89   May-21-05 02:22 PM   #82 
           - If the Pentagon cannot frickin defend ITSELF  DulceDecorum   May-08-05 08:32 PM   #48 
           - Hm, apparently it's not...  JackRiddler   May-10-05 03:32 PM   #66 
              - The Pentagon is within spitting distance of a major airport..  hack89   May-22-05 03:50 PM   #84 
  - I didn't realize  Project_Willow   May-07-05 03:04 PM   #4 
  - .... about those folding wings,  DulceDecorum   May-08-05 07:55 PM   #44 
  - :chuckle:  boloboffin   May-07-05 03:11 PM   #5 
  - Pressure waves  LARED   May-07-05 05:21 PM   #8 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-08-05 06:38 PM   #39 
  - Oh my! The National Geographic provided a bogus field trip??  DulceDecorum   May-08-05 09:12 PM   #50 
     - Yes, DD, to keep their PBS funding.  boloboffin   May-09-05 06:58 AM   #57 
        - Most certainly.  DulceDecorum   May-09-05 09:20 AM   #58 
  - That's really interesting, thanks. But there are a few problems.  spooked911   May-07-05 08:56 PM   #10 
  - Something else?  LARED   May-07-05 09:08 PM   #11 
  - inferno location  demodewd   May-07-05 10:06 PM   #14 
  - Because  LARED   May-07-05 10:09 PM   #15 
     - true but..  demodewd   May-07-05 10:33 PM   #16 
        - I must ask  LARED   May-08-05 07:02 AM   #26 
           - incineration  demodewd   May-08-05 03:55 PM   #34 
  - self delete  meppie-meppie not   May-11-05 02:24 PM   #72 
  - no it didn't and "no serious person could hold that position". n't  meppie-meppie not   May-11-05 02:28 PM   #73 
  - "there are a few problems"  Make7   May-07-05 10:46 PM   #18 
     - re: debris  demodewd   May-07-05 10:50 PM   #19 
     - exactly!  spooked911   May-07-05 10:54 PM   #20 
     - Based on the size of the hole...  Make7   May-08-05 12:02 AM   #23 
        - it should have penetrated well into the building but didn't  demodewd   May-08-05 02:19 AM   #25 
           - fuel fires  Make7   May-08-05 04:04 PM   #35 
              - IMHO  demodewd   May-08-05 05:27 PM   #37 
                 - Shaped charges make little holes.  hack89   May-08-05 05:59 PM   #38 
                 - I'm not quite understanding your theory.  Make7   May-09-05 01:20 AM   #53 
                    - Did you see the discussion of the color of the fire? too red for gas fire?  philb   May-21-05 08:20 AM   #78 
                       - philb  demodewd   May-21-05 01:03 PM   #81 
     - We agree on the missing frames-- why were they deleted?  spooked911   May-07-05 11:06 PM   #21 
        - Was wasn't the video released?  Make7   May-08-05 12:25 AM   #24 
        - Reply  spooked911   May-08-05 10:58 AM   #29 
           - Why would it have to be caused by an explosion?  Make7   May-08-05 04:28 PM   #36 
        - Because pressure waves don't work that way  LARED   May-08-05 12:05 PM   #31 
           - From evaporation to pressure waves.  DulceDecorum   May-08-05 07:04 PM   #40 
              - DD, it's such a pleasure to 'see' you back in the forum  LARED   May-08-05 07:19 PM   #41 
                 - LARED, you know that it is the absolute truth  DulceDecorum   May-08-05 07:57 PM   #45 
                    - I really did miss you  LARED   May-08-05 08:06 PM   #46 
                       - Your job is safe.  DulceDecorum   May-08-05 08:36 PM   #49 
                          - Are you saying you are both spies? eom.  Make7   May-09-05 01:23 AM   #54 
                             - No.  DulceDecorum   May-09-05 01:39 AM   #55 
  - I like  MrSammo1   May-08-05 07:45 PM   #42 
  - Really????????  LARED   May-08-05 07:53 PM   #43 
  - Enough chit-chat.  yodermon   May-09-05 04:37 PM   #61 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-10-05 04:10 PM   #67 
  - Lamp-posts in front of the building  Borg   May-10-05 04:54 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-21-05 08:15 AM   #77 
     - And there's a report somewhere that says box being carried is wing of smal  philb   May-21-05 08:25 AM   #79 
        - I never heard that and I have looked into the Pentagon hit a lot  spooked911   May-21-05 12:43 PM   #80 
           - Have the Pentagon articles on Physics911 page been discussed here? link  philb   May-22-05 12:32 PM   #83 

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