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31. Moreover, how does this story fit in with the flight 93 story?
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php...

Pt.2
What's happening at Johnstown-Cambria Airport?
By John Doe II

What's happening at John P. Murtha Johnstown-Cambria County Airport
on 911?

In the days after 911 the following story is widely reported:

"Dennis Fritz, the air traffic manager, got a call from controllers in
Cleveland warning the Johnstown airport -- which has no radar of its own
-- *that a large aircraft was 20 miles south and had suddenly turned on
a heading for Johnstown.*

*"It was an aircraft doing some unusual maneuvers at a low level, which
is unusual for an aircraft that size,*"Fritz said last night.


""Supervisor Dennis Fritz and controller Thomas Hull picked up
binoculars -- the tower has no radar -- and scanned the horizon to the
south. The day was clear and, from the highest point in the area, they
could spot radio towers in neighboring Somerset County. *A large plane
would have stood out.*



"We didn't see a thing," Fritz said."

(This was) leading Fritz to believe that the plane was flying somewhere
in the 2,800 foot high ridges in that part of the Allegheny front.

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2...


"Dennis Fritz, director of the municipal airport in Johnstown, Pa., said
the *FAA called him several times as the plane approached his city*, and
even warned him to evacuate the tower for fear the jet was going to plow
into it.

(Washington Post, 9/13/01)

"When they (Cleveland) called back a minute later, it was 15 miles away.
They suggested we evacuate the tower and the airport because they didn't
know what was going to happen here. The aircraft was not communicating."

(Philadelphia Inquirer, 9/13/01)

*"'On the first call from Cleveland, they said a 757 was heading in our
direction at about 6,000 feet and descending,'* Fritz said. "They were
repeatedly trying to raise the pilot on the radio, but there was no
answer. " Within minutes, Fritz said, he began to move people from the
tower but hesitated to abandon it completely because he felt the
incoming plane might be in distress and need to make an emergency
landing."

(Bergen Record, 9/14/01)



*"Ninety seconds later (after first call), Cleveland called back. The
plane was now 15 miles south and heading directly for the Johnstown
tower. ***

"We suggest you evacuate," they told him.

Fritz ordered trainees and custodial staff out of the 85-foot tower. He
and Hull stayed at their posts and scanned the south with binoculars. It
occurred to Fritz that the plane must be flying below the level of the
mountain ridges around them."

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93main...



""Dennis Fritz, chief air traffic controller at the Johnstown airport,
said he ordered the evacuation of nonessential employees at the tower
and the airport around 10 a.m. Tuesday after being alerted to 'a large
aircraft 20 miles to the south.'"
(Philadelphia Inquirer, 9/13/01)

"Forty-five seconds after telling Fritz to evacuate the Johnstown tower,
Cleveland Air Traffic Control phoned again.

"They said to disregard. The aircraft had turned to the south and they
lost radar contact with him.'"

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93main...

"Then, somewhere within the air zone, about 15 miles south of Johnstown,
the plane turned again toward the south."

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2...

The plane crashed 16 miles south of Johnstown Airport.

(Bergen Record, 9/14/01)



This story of the third and last evacuation happening on the flight path
of UA 93 (Cleveland and Pittsburgh, too) bears many questions.

All accounts that give a precise direction of the suspicious airplane
heading towards Johnstown Airport agree that it was from the south.

(AP, 9/12/01 l)

(Philadelphia Inquirer, 9/13/01 b)

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93main...

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2...


It might be rather surprising that Johnstown Airport was ordered to
evacuate as it certainly is not a target one could imagine the hijackers
to be interested. So while the FAA ordered Pittsburgh control towers at 9:49 to evacuate
no skyscraper in Pittsburgh was evacuated.

But if the FAA wants to run no risk on 911 and evacuate all airports that could be touched then again it's rather surprising that the advice was only given while UA 93 was
only 20 miles away.

Assuming a speed of 500 mph (it crashed with the official speed of 580 mph) this means that Johnstown had only 2 minutes to evacuate. Which certainly is not sufficient especially as
Dennis Fritz doesn't decide immediately. So if the FAA wanted to run no
risk when then wait so long?

But leaving this point aside and having a closer look at what happened
at Johnstown Airport on 911 there are several very bizarre points that
stand out:

Not only is the final crash site of UA 93 16 miles *south* of Johnstown
Airport (so when first noticed as heading for Johnstown UA 93 is almost
exactly at the very location it will later crash (being apparently lower
than 2800 feet it is surprising that no eyewitness remarked this plane
then)) but this direction is in contradiction to the official flight
path of UA 93. If one has a look at the map and follows the official
flight path the plane would be west or maximum southwest of Johnstown
Airport. So, who is right?

There is one account that contradicts all the quoted statements that UA
93 was heading from the south to Johnstown Airport:

"John Hugya, an administrative assistant to U.S. Rep John Murtha, said
*he has been told that the plane initially flew over Cambria County
Airport in Johnstown.* There was no communication from the plane, and
the plane was not responding to Cleveland Center, which is how they knew
it was one of the hijacked planes."

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010911somerset0...

But this seems even less believable than the above mentioned accounts.

If UA 93 flew over Cambria County Airport in Johnstown then certainly
Dennis Fritz would have remarked it?!

The next problem is the moment when Johnstown is signalled that there is
no more danger:


"Then, somewhere within the air zone, about 15 miles south of Johnstown,
the plane turned again toward the south."

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2...

In clear this means that UA 93 managed 5 miles in the very time
Johnstown had been alerted and finally been evacuated and the big
relieve came.

Assuming that UA 93 was heading with 500mph (it crashed with official
speed of 580 mph) *than the whole period when Johnstown was in danger
lasts 36 seconds! *


This is rather surprising and difficult to believe.

As UA 93 "turned again towards the south" "about 15 miles south of
Johnstown" it is basically exactly at the very place (within a mile)
that it will crash. This again is quite unlikely. Nobody reported a 180
turn of UA 93 in the very last minute of its flight. And no eyewitness
has recalled this.



One last question is also why Johnstown Airport neither sees UA 93 nor
the white jet that seven eyewitnesses remarked at the crash site.
Cleveland stated that UA93 was flying at an altitude of 6000 feet and
descending. This is also reported by Cleveland controller Stacey Taylor
who was in charge of UA 93 (NBC, 9/11/02). So if it was a clear day, a
big aircraft would stand out and it was obviously flying above 2800 feet
why then wasn't it seen?

But why does Johnstown Airport have no radar forcing the staff to use
binoculars?

On June 15, 1999 the following information is made about Johnstown
Airport on the site of the Airport Traffic Control Service:

"Control tower services have been taken over by the Department of
Defense. ATC services are provided by Federal Employees of the US Air
Force."

http://web.archive.org/web/20020201000201/www.airnav.co...

and we find the following information:

"ATCT OWNED BY CAMBRIA CO/OPERATED BY BARTON ATC INC."

http://web.archive.org/web/20020204130525/www.airnav.co...

So, how come they hadn't no radar on 911?

Why does nothing of this story that explains the evacuation of Johnstown Airport makes any sense? Or in other words: It makes as little sense as the explanation surrounding the evacuation of Cleveland tower and Cleveland Airport.

Crazy stuff!
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  -Proof that official UA 93 story is a hoax John Doe II  Apr-15-05 01:57 PM   #0 
  - Wow  RBHam   Apr-16-05 02:32 AM   #1 
  - Conclusion?  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 01:17 PM   #2 
  - I have to respectfully disagree  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 01:29 PM   #3 
  - I updated my above message  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 01:37 PM   #4 
     - The article also deals with U-turn  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 01:46 PM   #5 
        - I'm sorry...  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 02:39 PM   #6 
           - Two planes  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 03:16 PM   #8 
              - reply  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 01:38 PM   #11 
                 - Answer to your questions  John Doe II   Apr-19-05 03:40 PM   #16 
                    - Precising the position of the plane from northwest  John Doe II   Apr-29-05 03:22 PM   #24 
                       - Precision  John Doe II   May-11-05 02:54 PM   #26 
                          - In view of these posts  Andre II   Oct-24-06 02:40 PM   #49 
  - The maneuver  Zaphod 36   Apr-17-05 02:40 PM   #7 
  - Hi Zaphod  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 02:01 PM   #12 
     - From New Baltimore to Lowery  Zaphod 36   Apr-18-05 04:58 PM   #14 
        - A fireball going up several HUNDRED FEET into the air from the crash???  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:09 AM   #21 
        - Fire  John Doe II   Apr-24-05 11:44 AM   #23 
        - Interesting idea. But how on earth was the crash scene simulated?  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:13 AM   #22 
  - How  MrSammo1   Apr-20-05 12:36 AM   #17 
  - "To me", "I think", "It seems"  medienanalyse   Apr-18-05 05:10 AM   #9 
  - reply  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 01:18 PM   #10 
     - U- turns and muddy waters  medienanalyse   Apr-19-05 05:34 AM   #15 
     - At this point I think Paul's scenario is the most likely, but ...  philb   May-21-05 10:36 PM   #41 
  - My 2 cents  woody b   Apr-18-05 03:18 PM   #13 
  - My 2 dollars (raising the stake)  woody b   Apr-20-05 03:33 PM   #18 
     - Sorry, I overlooked your answer!  John Doe II   Apr-23-05 02:14 PM   #19 
  - Clearly the official story of 9/11 is wrong in many respects--  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:02 AM   #20 
  - Inside job  John Doe II   May-03-05 05:24 AM   #25 
  - I am trying to work out these flight 93 scenarios again. I think this is  spooked911   May-20-05 02:13 PM   #27 
  - The scenario  Zaphod 36   May-20-05 06:28 PM   #28 
     - Zaphod 36  demodewd   May-20-05 07:02 PM   #29 
     - Thanks for your wonderful answers, BUT I do have a few questions  spooked911   May-20-05 10:41 PM   #30 
        - Try to answer your questions  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 07:53 AM   #32 
           - According to Longman, there was a front landing gear found near the crash  spooked911   May-21-05 12:21 PM   #33 
              - My suspicion  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 02:04 PM   #34 
                 - whaddaya think?  demodewd   May-21-05 04:52 PM   #35 
                 - The hijacking  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 06:27 PM   #36 
                    - Wow, I'm really impressed with the level which you have this figured out!  spooked911   May-21-05 06:58 PM   #37 
                    - other details  demodewd   May-21-05 07:12 PM   #38 
                       - Planes to Afghanistan  Zaphod 36   May-22-05 05:09 AM   #42 
                       - It makes sense to me that the hijackers thought they would hijack planes  spooked911   May-22-05 10:54 AM   #44 
                       - Is this gassing what Ed Felt was referring to?  spooked911   May-22-05 10:55 AM   #45 
                 - About "home run"  spooked911   May-21-05 07:13 PM   #39 
                    - Home Run and Cyclops  Zaphod 36   May-22-05 05:30 AM   #43 
  - Moreover, how does this story fit in with the flight 93 story?  spooked911   May-20-05 11:11 PM   #31 
  - I just noticed something very interesting in Todd Beamer's call  spooked911   May-21-05 10:26 PM   #40 
  - And ......  John Doe II   Jun-22-05 06:29 AM   #46 
  - Another reason  Andre II   Dec-19-05 04:31 PM   #47 
  - In view of  Andre II   Apr-07-06 03:03 AM   #48 
 

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