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medienanalyse Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 05:34 AM
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15. U- turns and muddy waters
My personal U-turn

dear Paul

is the withdrawal of the word "always". Yes you are right, it is at least you who takes one side, obviously in your timeline work. Here in the forum you were sharp in following the Saudi trail and now in this UAL93 question. That is not always. It is, let`s count, about .. two times ? The average would be about one time in two years ...
I am not going to argue against your right to have and to express an own opinion. Maybe I am astonished because it is so seldom.

"One example of this is the idea that no planes hit the WTC, but they were holograms instead." Yes again. That is why I am so eager to express clear opinions here myself against conspiracy theories. Including the "melting steel" explosions in the WTC when everybody knows how to bend or to break iron and steel without explosions and excessive heat - see any car accident, see wires, see bridges and railways in the summer heat. (BTW - I would have appreciated if you were participant in clear words at this issue too, Paul).

Back to the "two planes". You have good arguments but not good enough to dismiss John Does findings. Your Atta example is a good one. Let us take it again. What if a person similar to Atta has been seen 3 miles away ? That is why I want to keep the discussion open. We do know several planes were in the region - although they should have been out of that airspace, on the way to get landed or aleady on the ground. We even know the flight number of the executive jet, the name of the pilot of the C-130. We know fighter jets (at least one) were there, circling.

We do not know what they were all doing, we cannot bring them into a timeline and in a place line according to the witnesses positions. We do not know if the witnesses witnessed the UAL93 or other flights, if their accounts about time, location, size, direction were correct.

So we must not agree to the conclusion John Doe takes about two IDENTICAL planes, about proof of anything. I do not dismiss a U-turn, not two planes, not UAL93 and another plane and other possibilities.

I welcome the mass of evidence, of accounts. I appreciate to have more material to deal with. And I urgently asks everybody to join in demanding the Bushists: open your evidence ! Appeal to the ATCs: speak out in public what you have witnessed. To the pilots: give your timelines. What we need is a real commission, best by the U.N. organization because it was affected by the "war on terror" which was real war and still is.

Let us keep the conclusions open, but let us collect evidence and dismiss mud in the waters. Except if it is debris in Indian lake :))
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  -Proof that official UA 93 story is a hoax John Doe II  Apr-15-05 01:57 PM   #0 
  - Wow  RBHam   Apr-16-05 02:32 AM   #1 
  - Conclusion?  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 01:17 PM   #2 
  - I have to respectfully disagree  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 01:29 PM   #3 
  - I updated my above message  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 01:37 PM   #4 
     - The article also deals with U-turn  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 01:46 PM   #5 
        - I'm sorry...  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 02:39 PM   #6 
           - Two planes  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 03:16 PM   #8 
              - reply  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 01:38 PM   #11 
                 - Answer to your questions  John Doe II   Apr-19-05 03:40 PM   #16 
                    - Precising the position of the plane from northwest  John Doe II   Apr-29-05 03:22 PM   #24 
                       - Precision  John Doe II   May-11-05 02:54 PM   #26 
                          - In view of these posts  Andre II   Oct-24-06 02:40 PM   #49 
  - The maneuver  Zaphod 36   Apr-17-05 02:40 PM   #7 
  - Hi Zaphod  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 02:01 PM   #12 
     - From New Baltimore to Lowery  Zaphod 36   Apr-18-05 04:58 PM   #14 
        - A fireball going up several HUNDRED FEET into the air from the crash???  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:09 AM   #21 
        - Fire  John Doe II   Apr-24-05 11:44 AM   #23 
        - Interesting idea. But how on earth was the crash scene simulated?  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:13 AM   #22 
  - How  MrSammo1   Apr-20-05 12:36 AM   #17 
  - "To me", "I think", "It seems"  medienanalyse   Apr-18-05 05:10 AM   #9 
  - reply  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 01:18 PM   #10 
     - U- turns and muddy waters  medienanalyse   Apr-19-05 05:34 AM   #15 
     - At this point I think Paul's scenario is the most likely, but ...  philb   May-21-05 10:36 PM   #41 
  - My 2 cents  woody b   Apr-18-05 03:18 PM   #13 
  - My 2 dollars (raising the stake)  woody b   Apr-20-05 03:33 PM   #18 
     - Sorry, I overlooked your answer!  John Doe II   Apr-23-05 02:14 PM   #19 
  - Clearly the official story of 9/11 is wrong in many respects--  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:02 AM   #20 
  - Inside job  John Doe II   May-03-05 05:24 AM   #25 
  - I am trying to work out these flight 93 scenarios again. I think this is  spooked911   May-20-05 02:13 PM   #27 
  - The scenario  Zaphod 36   May-20-05 06:28 PM   #28 
     - Zaphod 36  demodewd   May-20-05 07:02 PM   #29 
     - Thanks for your wonderful answers, BUT I do have a few questions  spooked911   May-20-05 10:41 PM   #30 
        - Try to answer your questions  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 07:53 AM   #32 
           - According to Longman, there was a front landing gear found near the crash  spooked911   May-21-05 12:21 PM   #33 
              - My suspicion  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 02:04 PM   #34 
                 - whaddaya think?  demodewd   May-21-05 04:52 PM   #35 
                 - The hijacking  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 06:27 PM   #36 
                    - Wow, I'm really impressed with the level which you have this figured out!  spooked911   May-21-05 06:58 PM   #37 
                    - other details  demodewd   May-21-05 07:12 PM   #38 
                       - Planes to Afghanistan  Zaphod 36   May-22-05 05:09 AM   #42 
                       - It makes sense to me that the hijackers thought they would hijack planes  spooked911   May-22-05 10:54 AM   #44 
                       - Is this gassing what Ed Felt was referring to?  spooked911   May-22-05 10:55 AM   #45 
                 - About "home run"  spooked911   May-21-05 07:13 PM   #39 
                    - Home Run and Cyclops  Zaphod 36   May-22-05 05:30 AM   #43 
  - Moreover, how does this story fit in with the flight 93 story?  spooked911   May-20-05 11:11 PM   #31 
  - I just noticed something very interesting in Todd Beamer's call  spooked911   May-21-05 10:26 PM   #40 
  - And ......  John Doe II   Jun-22-05 06:29 AM   #46 
  - Another reason  Andre II   Dec-19-05 04:31 PM   #47 
  - In view of  Andre II   Apr-07-06 03:03 AM   #48 

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