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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 03:18 PM
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13. My 2 cents
This is great work again, John and Zaphod, and I like your method: "conclusio ex negativo".

I disagree with Paul that you suggest the existence of two or more planes - you're examining all possibilities which are mathematically possible just to show that none of them adds up. But.

Among your scenarios, I have a clear favourite: A plane coming in from northwest and then crossing Indian Lake. I think the witnesses in the Northwest and the witnesses at Indian Lake saw the same plane. But I don't think it made a U-Turn. The plane approached the lake from west and exploded in a fireball right over the lake. The debris rained down and vanished in the water.

My favourite witness is Jim Stop because we know his position very good: Jim Stop of Somerset was fishing at the Indian Lake marina, about three miles from the crash site, when he looked up and saw the plane overhead.I heard the engine whine and scream, Stop said. He then heard an explosion and saw a fireball.

Here's a picture from Indian Lake:



As you see, the lake is surrounded by trees, like many lakes. I have difficulties to accept that Jim Stop saw a fireball three miles away and 100 ft in the air - the trees would have blocked his view.

My guess is the plane came in from the west or northwest (I agree with Paul that no Indian Lake witness explicitly says he has seen the plane coming in from the east) and exploded over the lake, probably shot down by the mysterious white plane. But a closer topographic examination is necessary to support this thesis.

Just my 2 cents, but I think Occam is on my side.



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  -Proof that official UA 93 story is a hoax John Doe II  Apr-15-05 01:57 PM   #0 
  - Wow  RBHam   Apr-16-05 02:32 AM   #1 
  - Conclusion?  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 01:17 PM   #2 
  - I have to respectfully disagree  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 01:29 PM   #3 
  - I updated my above message  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 01:37 PM   #4 
     - The article also deals with U-turn  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 01:46 PM   #5 
        - I'm sorry...  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 02:39 PM   #6 
           - Two planes  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 03:16 PM   #8 
              - reply  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 01:38 PM   #11 
                 - Answer to your questions  John Doe II   Apr-19-05 03:40 PM   #16 
                    - Precising the position of the plane from northwest  John Doe II   Apr-29-05 03:22 PM   #24 
                       - Precision  John Doe II   May-11-05 02:54 PM   #26 
                          - In view of these posts  Andre II   Oct-24-06 02:40 PM   #49 
  - The maneuver  Zaphod 36   Apr-17-05 02:40 PM   #7 
  - Hi Zaphod  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 02:01 PM   #12 
     - From New Baltimore to Lowery  Zaphod 36   Apr-18-05 04:58 PM   #14 
        - A fireball going up several HUNDRED FEET into the air from the crash???  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:09 AM   #21 
        - Fire  John Doe II   Apr-24-05 11:44 AM   #23 
        - Interesting idea. But how on earth was the crash scene simulated?  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:13 AM   #22 
  - How  MrSammo1   Apr-20-05 12:36 AM   #17 
  - "To me", "I think", "It seems"  medienanalyse   Apr-18-05 05:10 AM   #9 
  - reply  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 01:18 PM   #10 
     - U- turns and muddy waters  medienanalyse   Apr-19-05 05:34 AM   #15 
     - At this point I think Paul's scenario is the most likely, but ...  philb   May-21-05 10:36 PM   #41 
  - My 2 cents  woody b   Apr-18-05 03:18 PM   #13 
  - My 2 dollars (raising the stake)  woody b   Apr-20-05 03:33 PM   #18 
     - Sorry, I overlooked your answer!  John Doe II   Apr-23-05 02:14 PM   #19 
  - Clearly the official story of 9/11 is wrong in many respects--  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:02 AM   #20 
  - Inside job  John Doe II   May-03-05 05:24 AM   #25 
  - I am trying to work out these flight 93 scenarios again. I think this is  spooked911   May-20-05 02:13 PM   #27 
  - The scenario  Zaphod 36   May-20-05 06:28 PM   #28 
     - Zaphod 36  demodewd   May-20-05 07:02 PM   #29 
     - Thanks for your wonderful answers, BUT I do have a few questions  spooked911   May-20-05 10:41 PM   #30 
        - Try to answer your questions  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 07:53 AM   #32 
           - According to Longman, there was a front landing gear found near the crash  spooked911   May-21-05 12:21 PM   #33 
              - My suspicion  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 02:04 PM   #34 
                 - whaddaya think?  demodewd   May-21-05 04:52 PM   #35 
                 - The hijacking  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 06:27 PM   #36 
                    - Wow, I'm really impressed with the level which you have this figured out!  spooked911   May-21-05 06:58 PM   #37 
                    - other details  demodewd   May-21-05 07:12 PM   #38 
                       - Planes to Afghanistan  Zaphod 36   May-22-05 05:09 AM   #42 
                       - It makes sense to me that the hijackers thought they would hijack planes  spooked911   May-22-05 10:54 AM   #44 
                       - Is this gassing what Ed Felt was referring to?  spooked911   May-22-05 10:55 AM   #45 
                 - About "home run"  spooked911   May-21-05 07:13 PM   #39 
                    - Home Run and Cyclops  Zaphod 36   May-22-05 05:30 AM   #43 
  - Moreover, how does this story fit in with the flight 93 story?  spooked911   May-20-05 11:11 PM   #31 
  - I just noticed something very interesting in Todd Beamer's call  spooked911   May-21-05 10:26 PM   #40 
  - And ......  John Doe II   Jun-22-05 06:29 AM   #46 
  - Another reason  Andre II   Dec-19-05 04:31 PM   #47 
  - In view of  Andre II   Apr-07-06 03:03 AM   #48 
 

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