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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 02:39 PM
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6. I'm sorry...
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 02:46 PM by paulthompson
I normally agree with you, but I find this argument extremely implausible and resting on the thinnest shreds of evidence. Jim Stop at the marina was three miles from the crash site, not six, as probably most of the Indian Lake witnesses were, since the lake is between the town of Indian Lake and the crash site. It would take the plane 30 seconds to travel from him to the crash site, less if it was going closer to 600 mph, as some say. Is this "seconds later"? Yes, it is. Where is the treeline? I don't know - who does? Could the northwest witnesses have seen the plane turn BEFORE the treeline? Yes. In fact, that's what at least two of them saw. The idea of a U-turn is a construct of the authors of that article. If the plane was a couple of miles further to the east, which is just as plausible from eyewitness accounts as where they chose to draw the line, it would have been a right turn (consistent with eyewitness accounts), not a U-turn.

>But wouldn't have Jim Stop mentioned the curious fact that he saw a plane crossing the Indian Lake going east (AWAY from the crash site) and ANOTHER plane was crashing west of Indian Lake. The same goes for witnesses inside Indian Lake Marina.

I have no idea what you're talking about - you're putting ideas into his head. He might just have heard a loud roar and not gotten a good bead on where it was going or where it was coming from, or he just happened not to have mention the direction, clouds in the area, sun in his eyes, or all sorts of things. Eyewitess accounts are frequently inaccurate in any case, whereas in the first posting, the most logical account is dismissed based on one witness, when it fact what he saw in no way suggests two planes. The postulation of two planes is an incredible claim that requires incredible evidence to back it up, and I don't see it.

If there were two planes, there would have been eyewitness accounts of one of them leaving the area, or another crash site, or something. Use Occam's Razor - the two plane idea makes no sense. I'm not going to waste any more time on this.

What's sad to me is that by focusing on this very dubious theory, the important questions about the crash are ignored. If you're in contact with the authors of that essay, tell them to turn their research focus to questions of what was happening to Flight 93 before it crashed, and can all its strange behavior be explained as a cockpit struggle or not, plus the small white jet, and other significant phenomena. I agree the raining debris is important, but in no way does it necessitate the existence of two planes!

By the way, the wind most definitely could have been responsible for the debris found at New Baltimore, all of which appears to be paper debris. The timing is extremely vague, and people can make mountains out of poorly worded reporting or poorly worded witness accounts. All we know is that for hours after the crash, people were picking up paper debris in New Baltimore. Do we know exactly when they started? No. If there's an eyewitness who clearly states "I was picking up debris within X minutes of hearing the crash," or something to that effect, then one can start looking into that seriously.
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  -Proof that official UA 93 story is a hoax John Doe II  Apr-15-05 01:57 PM   #0 
  - Wow  RBHam   Apr-16-05 02:32 AM   #1 
  - Conclusion?  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 01:17 PM   #2 
  - I have to respectfully disagree  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 01:29 PM   #3 
  - I updated my above message  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 01:37 PM   #4 
     - The article also deals with U-turn  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 01:46 PM   #5 
        - I'm sorry...  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 02:39 PM   #6 
           - Two planes  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 03:16 PM   #8 
              - reply  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 01:38 PM   #11 
                 - Answer to your questions  John Doe II   Apr-19-05 03:40 PM   #16 
                    - Precising the position of the plane from northwest  John Doe II   Apr-29-05 03:22 PM   #24 
                       - Precision  John Doe II   May-11-05 02:54 PM   #26 
                          - In view of these posts  Andre II   Oct-24-06 02:40 PM   #49 
  - The maneuver  Zaphod 36   Apr-17-05 02:40 PM   #7 
  - Hi Zaphod  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 02:01 PM   #12 
     - From New Baltimore to Lowery  Zaphod 36   Apr-18-05 04:58 PM   #14 
        - A fireball going up several HUNDRED FEET into the air from the crash???  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:09 AM   #21 
        - Fire  John Doe II   Apr-24-05 11:44 AM   #23 
        - Interesting idea. But how on earth was the crash scene simulated?  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:13 AM   #22 
  - How  MrSammo1   Apr-20-05 12:36 AM   #17 
  - "To me", "I think", "It seems"  medienanalyse   Apr-18-05 05:10 AM   #9 
  - reply  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 01:18 PM   #10 
     - U- turns and muddy waters  medienanalyse   Apr-19-05 05:34 AM   #15 
     - At this point I think Paul's scenario is the most likely, but ...  philb   May-21-05 10:36 PM   #41 
  - My 2 cents  woody b   Apr-18-05 03:18 PM   #13 
  - My 2 dollars (raising the stake)  woody b   Apr-20-05 03:33 PM   #18 
     - Sorry, I overlooked your answer!  John Doe II   Apr-23-05 02:14 PM   #19 
  - Clearly the official story of 9/11 is wrong in many respects--  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:02 AM   #20 
  - Inside job  John Doe II   May-03-05 05:24 AM   #25 
  - I am trying to work out these flight 93 scenarios again. I think this is  spooked911   May-20-05 02:13 PM   #27 
  - The scenario  Zaphod 36   May-20-05 06:28 PM   #28 
     - Zaphod 36  demodewd   May-20-05 07:02 PM   #29 
     - Thanks for your wonderful answers, BUT I do have a few questions  spooked911   May-20-05 10:41 PM   #30 
        - Try to answer your questions  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 07:53 AM   #32 
           - According to Longman, there was a front landing gear found near the crash  spooked911   May-21-05 12:21 PM   #33 
              - My suspicion  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 02:04 PM   #34 
                 - whaddaya think?  demodewd   May-21-05 04:52 PM   #35 
                 - The hijacking  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 06:27 PM   #36 
                    - Wow, I'm really impressed with the level which you have this figured out!  spooked911   May-21-05 06:58 PM   #37 
                    - other details  demodewd   May-21-05 07:12 PM   #38 
                       - Planes to Afghanistan  Zaphod 36   May-22-05 05:09 AM   #42 
                       - It makes sense to me that the hijackers thought they would hijack planes  spooked911   May-22-05 10:54 AM   #44 
                       - Is this gassing what Ed Felt was referring to?  spooked911   May-22-05 10:55 AM   #45 
                 - About "home run"  spooked911   May-21-05 07:13 PM   #39 
                    - Home Run and Cyclops  Zaphod 36   May-22-05 05:30 AM   #43 
  - Moreover, how does this story fit in with the flight 93 story?  spooked911   May-20-05 11:11 PM   #31 
  - I just noticed something very interesting in Todd Beamer's call  spooked911   May-21-05 10:26 PM   #40 
  - And ......  John Doe II   Jun-22-05 06:29 AM   #46 
  - Another reason  Andre II   Dec-19-05 04:31 PM   #47 
  - In view of  Andre II   Apr-07-06 03:03 AM   #48 

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