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2. Conclusion?
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 01:29 PM by paulthompson
I don't see their conclusion. To me, it's simple: the plane turned sharply, possibly more than once, not long before crashing. I even recall seeing some maps of the airplane's path showing this. For such comprehensive research, they curiously leave out witnesses who saw the turn. For instance,

Terry Butler, at Stoystown: He sees the plane come out of the clouds, low to the ground. It was moving like you wouldnt believe. Next thing I knew it makes a heck of a sharp, right-hand turn. It banks to the right and appears to be trying to climb to clear one of the ridges, but it continues to turn to the right and then veers behind a ridge. About a second later it crashes. (ST. PETERSBURG TIMES, 9/12/01)

Rob Kimmel, several miles from the crash site: He sees it fly overhead, banking hard to the right. It is 200 feet or less off the ground as it crests a hill to the southeast. I saw the top of the plane, not the bottom. (AMONG THE HEROES, BY JERE LONGMAN, 8/02, P. 210211)

Also, from accounts of it doing all kinds of strange things: flying upside down, making strange noises, making jerky motions, even coming to a complete stop in mid-air before crashing, it seems quite probable to me it was spilling debris before it crashed. When you have a plane literally upside down (as the 9/11 Commission did note in one obscure sentence), it's clearly not a case of it just coming in from one direction and hitting the ground.

Both of the above accounts have a sharp right turn. If you follow the path of the plane from the direction shown in their first map, then make a sharp right turn over Indian Lake, the problem is solved. Why is it they quote both of the witnesses I mentioned above, but cut out the part about the turning? Someone should point that out to them.

To me, it's not a question of two planes, it's a question of why was the one plane doing such very strange things before crashing? It seems to be more than just a struggle over the cockpit, for instance, numerous witnesses heard loud bangs coming from the plane before it crashed (most heard one, some heard two), plus revving, gunning of the engine, sputtering, etc... It seems to me the engines were dying and in fact died, thus the complete stop in the mid-air and plummet to the ground.

Keep in mind that if the plane was travelling roughly 500 miles an hour, that means it went seven miles in one minute. So for it to get close enough to drop debris in the general vicinity of Indian Lake, six miles away, is not much of a detour at all.
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  -Proof that official UA 93 story is a hoax John Doe II  Apr-15-05 01:57 PM   #0 
  - Wow  RBHam   Apr-16-05 02:32 AM   #1 
  - Conclusion?  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 01:17 PM   #2 
  - I have to respectfully disagree  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 01:29 PM   #3 
  - I updated my above message  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 01:37 PM   #4 
     - The article also deals with U-turn  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 01:46 PM   #5 
        - I'm sorry...  paulthompson   Apr-17-05 02:39 PM   #6 
           - Two planes  John Doe II   Apr-17-05 03:16 PM   #8 
              - reply  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 01:38 PM   #11 
                 - Answer to your questions  John Doe II   Apr-19-05 03:40 PM   #16 
                    - Precising the position of the plane from northwest  John Doe II   Apr-29-05 03:22 PM   #24 
                       - Precision  John Doe II   May-11-05 02:54 PM   #26 
                          - In view of these posts  Andre II   Oct-24-06 02:40 PM   #49 
  - The maneuver  Zaphod 36   Apr-17-05 02:40 PM   #7 
  - Hi Zaphod  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 02:01 PM   #12 
     - From New Baltimore to Lowery  Zaphod 36   Apr-18-05 04:58 PM   #14 
        - A fireball going up several HUNDRED FEET into the air from the crash???  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:09 AM   #21 
        - Fire  John Doe II   Apr-24-05 11:44 AM   #23 
        - Interesting idea. But how on earth was the crash scene simulated?  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:13 AM   #22 
  - How  MrSammo1   Apr-20-05 12:36 AM   #17 
  - "To me", "I think", "It seems"  medienanalyse   Apr-18-05 05:10 AM   #9 
  - reply  paulthompson   Apr-18-05 01:18 PM   #10 
     - U- turns and muddy waters  medienanalyse   Apr-19-05 05:34 AM   #15 
     - At this point I think Paul's scenario is the most likely, but ...  philb   May-21-05 10:36 PM   #41 
  - My 2 cents  woody b   Apr-18-05 03:18 PM   #13 
  - My 2 dollars (raising the stake)  woody b   Apr-20-05 03:33 PM   #18 
     - Sorry, I overlooked your answer!  John Doe II   Apr-23-05 02:14 PM   #19 
  - Clearly the official story of 9/11 is wrong in many respects--  spooked911   Apr-24-05 09:02 AM   #20 
  - Inside job  John Doe II   May-03-05 05:24 AM   #25 
  - I am trying to work out these flight 93 scenarios again. I think this is  spooked911   May-20-05 02:13 PM   #27 
  - The scenario  Zaphod 36   May-20-05 06:28 PM   #28 
     - Zaphod 36  demodewd   May-20-05 07:02 PM   #29 
     - Thanks for your wonderful answers, BUT I do have a few questions  spooked911   May-20-05 10:41 PM   #30 
        - Try to answer your questions  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 07:53 AM   #32 
           - According to Longman, there was a front landing gear found near the crash  spooked911   May-21-05 12:21 PM   #33 
              - My suspicion  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 02:04 PM   #34 
                 - whaddaya think?  demodewd   May-21-05 04:52 PM   #35 
                 - The hijacking  Zaphod 36   May-21-05 06:27 PM   #36 
                    - Wow, I'm really impressed with the level which you have this figured out!  spooked911   May-21-05 06:58 PM   #37 
                    - other details  demodewd   May-21-05 07:12 PM   #38 
                       - Planes to Afghanistan  Zaphod 36   May-22-05 05:09 AM   #42 
                       - It makes sense to me that the hijackers thought they would hijack planes  spooked911   May-22-05 10:54 AM   #44 
                       - Is this gassing what Ed Felt was referring to?  spooked911   May-22-05 10:55 AM   #45 
                 - About "home run"  spooked911   May-21-05 07:13 PM   #39 
                    - Home Run and Cyclops  Zaphod 36   May-22-05 05:30 AM   #43 
  - Moreover, how does this story fit in with the flight 93 story?  spooked911   May-20-05 11:11 PM   #31 
  - I just noticed something very interesting in Todd Beamer's call  spooked911   May-21-05 10:26 PM   #40 
  - And ......  John Doe II   Jun-22-05 06:29 AM   #46 
  - Another reason  Andre II   Dec-19-05 04:31 PM   #47 
  - In view of  Andre II   Apr-07-06 03:03 AM   #48 
 

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