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50. +1, the role played by Nixon should not be overlooked...

even before he ran against JFK in 1960 Nixon was setting up Operation 40, and who knows how many other secret black ops programs aimed at protecting the port of New Orleans and invading Cuba. The neocons of the time wanted to start a full on war with the Soviet Union. Nixon assumed he would win the election, but when JFK won and became so popular he and his supporters then dreaded the thought of a decade or more of presidencies under the Kennedy brothers.

As you pointed out, when JFK worked with the Soviet leader behind the backs of the CIA this was viewed as traitorous. Later, RFK began a secret investigation involving French intelligence and the KGB examining the very forces, all surrounding Nixon, who were responsible for the assassination. A book was set to be published about this to help his run for president in 1968. RFK was likely the very first conspiracy theorist.
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  -Convicted RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan seeks prison release alp227  Nov-27-11 12:55 AM   #0 
  - Uh huh  zappaman   Nov-27-11 01:00 AM   #1 
  - So, even if there is evidence of another assassin, we should just let it go? n/t  AntiFascist   Nov-27-11 01:14 AM   #3 
  - If there was evidence, there would be evidence. There isn't.  TheWraith   Nov-27-11 01:20 AM   #6 
     - Apparently there is evidence, a sound recording surfaced that clearly shows 13 shots fired...  AntiFascist   Nov-27-11 01:54 AM   #11 
     - In no telling of the assassination did Sirhan "put a gun to RFK's head."  JackRiddler   Nov-27-11 01:35 PM   #44 
     - The autopsy says the bullet hit RFK an inch behind his right ear &  dflprincess   Nov-27-11 08:57 PM   #57 
     - Where does it says that in the report?? I can not find it  happyslug   Nov-29-11 03:38 PM   #79 
     - You think the JFK assassination has been explained?  Bragi   Nov-28-11 12:45 PM   #73 
     - witness testimony places him no closer than 3-6 feet away. RFK was shot point blank...  dionysus   Nov-29-11 03:42 PM   #81 
  - Is there any conspiracy, no matter how much proof, you will at least look into?  Ter   Nov-29-11 05:10 PM   #84 
  - Regardless of how much he was  zentrum   Nov-27-11 01:11 AM   #2 
  - Hmm... no. Fuck him. nt  TheWraith   Nov-27-11 01:19 AM   #4 
  - The 1% would *never* conspire to assassinate a Kennedy  Beam Me Up   Nov-27-11 01:20 AM   #5 
  - Oh yes, those poor, humble, working-man Kennedys.  boppers   Nov-27-11 01:22 AM   #8 
  - Straw man. The issue posed was the 1%ers might well assassinate Kennedys. No one said Kennedys were  No Elephants   Nov-27-11 07:04 AM   #29 
  - Julius Caesar was not exactly the 99% look what happened to him.  gordianot   Nov-27-11 07:14 AM   #31 
  - Actually, the Kennedys were nouveau riche, not to mention Irish Catholic.  Beam Me Up   Nov-27-11 11:04 AM   #37 
  - Fallacy Alert! Fallacy Alert!  Odin2005   Nov-27-11 09:50 AM   #35 
  - "hypno-programmed"?  boppers   Nov-27-11 01:20 AM   #7 
  - How do you know?  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-27-11 02:11 AM   #12 
     - Because people using dog-whistle terms of the cold war are not sane.  boppers   Nov-27-11 02:44 AM   #13 
        - So Victor Marchetti...  AntiFascist   Nov-27-11 02:55 AM   #16 
        - Yes.  boppers   Nov-27-11 05:04 AM   #22 
           - Then what about when the Church Committee investigated MKULTRA...  AntiFascist   Nov-27-11 05:27 AM   #25 
           - No, but wild outlandish claims about MKULTRA certainly seem to be.  boppers   Nov-28-11 12:41 AM   #65 
              - ok, so I can understand why Sirhan may be paranoid, if he was subjected to certain drugs...  AntiFascist   Nov-28-11 12:53 AM   #66 
                 - Artichoke has an article as well.  boppers   Nov-28-11 01:23 AM   #68 
                    - Mentioned in the wiki article:  AntiFascist   Nov-28-11 01:29 AM   #69 
                    - Idiots can be placebo-effect convinced into being idiots.  boppers   Nov-28-11 05:02 AM   #71 
                       - It sounds like you don't believe in hypnosis...  AntiFascist   Nov-28-11 03:47 PM   #74 
                          - I have never in my life seen a credible demonstration.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 06:03 PM   #180 
                    - I think the point was to be able to frame a "lone wolf"...  AntiFascist   Nov-29-11 03:31 AM   #77 
           - I suppose this declassified document is a figment of my imagination...  AntiFascist   Nov-27-11 05:48 AM   #27 
        - That's a non-sequitur and red herring.  Fantastic Anarchist   Nov-27-11 02:58 AM   #17 
        - He thinks he is real.  boppers   Nov-27-11 05:05 AM   #23 
        - darren brown did a cool show about this.  CEO Watson   Nov-27-11 03:54 AM   #18 
           - meh, lame.  boppers   Nov-27-11 05:08 AM   #24 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-11 02:14 PM   #47 
  - Forty-Three Years Is Plenty  SoDesuKa   Nov-27-11 01:32 AM   #9 
  - An iniquity, yes.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-27-11 01:44 AM   #10 
  - He could have gotten the death penalty in many states.  pnwmom   Nov-27-11 02:48 AM   #15 
  - Sirhan was, in fact, sentenced to death  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-27-11 01:16 PM   #42 
  - What was his reasoning?  naaman fletcher   Nov-27-11 04:04 AM   #19 
  - MKULTRA  Ter   Nov-29-11 05:09 PM   #83 
  - Charles Manson is still in prison  Art_from_Ark   Nov-27-11 04:47 AM   #21 
  - Charles Manson  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-27-11 01:12 PM   #41 
  - I believe killing a Presidential candidate should be punished more than other killings.  No Elephants   Nov-27-11 07:16 AM   #32 
  - You might believe that, but Sirhan was convicted of first degree murder  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-27-11 01:18 PM   #43 
  - Agreed  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-27-11 01:08 PM   #40 
  - There's a difference between 'celebrities' and politicians - either running for office or in office  nini   Nov-27-11 06:03 PM   #54 
  - He might as well have been convicted of Treason. A capital crime. (nt)  w4rma   Nov-27-11 11:20 PM   #63 
  - He put a gun to Kennedy's head and pulled the trigger.  pnwmom   Nov-27-11 02:46 AM   #14 
  - In no telling of the assassination did Sirhan "put a gun to Kennedy's head."  JackRiddler   Nov-27-11 01:36 PM   #45 
  - "get the gun"!!!  unionworks   Nov-27-11 04:21 AM   #20 
  - Sirhan was shooting the gun while  Politicalboi   Nov-27-11 05:42 AM   #26 
  - I went to look up "conspiracy"  unionworks   Nov-27-11 06:09 AM   #28 
  - Who changed RFK's route, so that he passed through the kitchen, where Sirhan was?  No Elephants   Nov-27-11 07:08 AM   #30 
  - never. nt  BootinUp   Nov-27-11 09:28 AM   #33 
  - Forget about it, Sirhan. You deserve to DIE in that prison cell.  Odin2005   Nov-27-11 09:49 AM   #34 
  - I can't remember which of his parole appeals it was  MurrayDelph   Nov-27-11 10:41 AM   #36 
  - Talk about an unlucky guy  Yupster   Nov-28-11 01:06 AM   #67 
  - There are many very serious questions about the RFK assassination  Peace Patriot   Nov-27-11 12:39 PM   #38 
  - Awesome post!  bitchkitty   Nov-27-11 12:54 PM   #39 
  - This should be an OP.  senseandsensibility   Nov-27-11 01:53 PM   #46 
  - K & R See Post # 48  red dog 1   Nov-27-11 02:46 PM   #49 
  - +1, the role played by Nixon should not be overlooked...  AntiFascist   Nov-27-11 03:11 PM   #50 
  - Thanks for the info! I didn't know about RFK's secret investigation.  Peace Patriot   Nov-27-11 05:31 PM   #52 
     - Yes, the book was only allowed to be distributed in the US in 2002...  AntiFascist   Nov-27-11 06:59 PM   #55 
  - A Couple of problems with your thread  happyslug   Nov-27-11 03:51 PM   #51 
  - A Couple of Problems with YOUR Thread!  red dog 1   Nov-27-11 05:39 PM   #53 
  - Humphrey still had more delegates then Kennedy even after California,  happyslug   Nov-27-11 07:33 PM   #56 
     - Humphrey had more delegates, so fucking what? Poimt is, Caesar Killed RFK!  red dog 1   Nov-27-11 11:07 PM   #61 
        - POINT is, Thane Eugene Caesar Killed RFK.  red dog 1   Nov-28-11 12:12 AM   #64 
  - Apparently the CIA didn't get the message that Humphrey was a shoo-in.  Peace Patriot   Nov-28-11 09:20 AM   #72 
  - What you said.  Matilda   Nov-27-11 10:13 PM   #58 
  - You certainly raise an interesting debate over motive...  ellisonz   Nov-27-11 10:44 PM   #59 
  - Thane Eugene Cesar, security guard behnd Bobby, lied about firing his gun, and more.  red dog 1   Nov-27-11 02:17 PM   #48 
  - wiki articles use underscores as spaces  alp227   Nov-27-11 11:10 PM   #62 
  - In Post # 48, Wikipedia link is broken.....Google "Thane Eugene Caesar"  red dog 1   Nov-28-11 01:39 AM   #70 
  - Sirhan Sirhan shot RFK merely to gain fame and notoriety  Zorro   Nov-27-11 10:46 PM   #60 
  - Sirhan shot his gun, but did not shoot RFK.  red dog 1   Nov-28-11 04:29 PM   #75 
     - George Joannides should also have been a person of interest in the JFK case...  AntiFascist   Nov-29-11 04:12 AM   #78 
        - As well as David Morales, and the entire CIA-JM WAVE crew in Florida.  red dog 1   Nov-29-11 03:40 PM   #80 
           - Another interesting piece of research is...  AntiFascist   Nov-29-11 04:58 PM   #82 
              - Oswald was the only member of the New Orleans' chapter ofFair Play for Cuba"  red dog 1   Nov-30-11 12:31 AM   #183 
  - Excellent discussion all!  JNelson6563   Nov-28-11 05:32 PM   #76 
  - Bullet Was Switched at Sirhan Sirhan Trial, Lawyers Say  vminfla   Nov-29-11 05:26 PM   #85 
     - Incredible. Talk about a desperation appeal. I doubt it will work. nt.  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:26 PM   #86 
     - Sirhan was in front of Bobby and his gun was at least three feet away  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #92 
        - He was there with a gun. Who here said he acted alone? nt  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #94 
           - That's what all the derisive posts in this thread are implying.  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #96 
           - A conspiracy that he didn't do it and was being "wrongfully accused."  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #101 
           - It's entirely possible that doing that would get his family killed.  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #112 
              - Maybe--but he could also have let investigators know that, and I'm quite sure they  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #115 
                 - Sirhan may also believe he killed RFK  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #118 
                    - You haven't come up with a single reasonable explanation why he would not have named others.  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #129 
                       - The only entry in Sirhan's diary that referenced the "RFK must DIE" idea  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #131 
                       - Oh, really? You're a handwriting expert, now?  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #136 
                          - The links are out there, and it wasn't me making the observation about the handwriting.  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #148 
                             - "The links are out there." Is that a riff on that old TV show about aliens?  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #158 
                       - I made several reasonable explanations  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #132 
                          - You aren't offering any proof of your suppositions.  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #142 
           - Three feet IS "point blank range."  TheWraith   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #107 
           - Wrong.  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #111 
              - Attempted intimidation? You were the one who raised the "Only a Republican" flag!! nt  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #117 
              - Wrong.  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #119 
                 - No--not wrong. You said it--now own it. Your view is the only one that matters--to you.  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #135 
                    - You were being derisive before I posted anything  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #139 
                    - Nonsense. You are having as much trouble with the word "derisive" as you were with  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #145 
                    - The reference to Republicans is off the point  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #144 
                       - It is not "off the point." It IS the point. You throw an insult when challenged.  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #154 
                          - What was lame was acting as if it is silly to question the flawed investigation  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #157 
                             - I've invited you to prove your assertions. You answered "The links are out there."  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #160 
              - Not wrong. You simply have no clue what you're talking about.  TheWraith   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #140 
              - "GSR only travels one to three inches out of the barrel of a gun"? Utterly false.  greyl   Nov-30-11 12:50 AM   #184 
           - Behind the right ear is not "from behind".  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #109 
              - It's also based on the path the bullet took inside of Bobby's head  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #116 
                 - A coroner is not necessarily a ballistics expert.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #134 
                 - The bullet passed through the mastoid process  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #138 
                 - I didn't say "couldn't have inflicted the head wound"  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #143 
                 - Stippling can occur within 3 feet  udbcrzy2   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #152 
                    - Depends on too many factors to list.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #155 
                 - And quelle surprise...  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #137 
                 - I think you may mean "gunpowder residue" rather than  MineralMan   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #149 
                    - A bullet!  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #151 
                    - Gunpowder residue is what I meant...but my impression was that  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #153 
                       - I don't believe so. Generally terminology used in courtrooms is  MineralMan   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #156 
                          - Consider it amended to gunpowder, for whatever it's worth.  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #159 
                          - If you're imprecise in one thing, why should I assume that you are  MineralMan   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #162 
                             - It's not just "conspiracy theory"  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #164 
                             - In your opinion, Sirhan couldn't have fired the shot.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 05:52 PM   #177 
                             - you seriously are trying to destroy that poster's credibility  fascisthunter   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #165 
                                - It just doesn't make sense that anyone on OUR side of the political spectrum  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #168 
                                   - Yeah, I thought of that too  fascisthunter   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #170 
                                   - I will  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #171 
                                   - "You raise good points"  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 05:58 PM   #179 
                                   - You have made overbroad statements, and several errors thus far, stated as fact.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 05:54 PM   #178 
                          - oh brother  fascisthunter   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #163 
           - If you have been turned into a Manchurian Candidate, and kill someone,  truedelphi   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #128 
     - Ah, conspiracy theory at its very, very best.  MineralMan   Nov-29-11 05:26 PM   #87 
     - No...hard evidence...  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #100 
        - Cite credible sources for your claims.  TheWraith   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #110 
           - Dr. Noguchi's autopsy report is a credible source.  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #133 
              - Provide a link to a reputable source showing the complete text.  TheWraith   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #141 
                 - I hate skeptics more than anything in life  Ter   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #175 
                    - You seem extremely skeptical of skepticism for some reason.  greyl   Nov-30-11 12:53 AM   #185 
     - Hmm, Rosie Grier grabbed the wrong 'guy with a revolver in his hand'?  louis-t   Nov-29-11 05:26 PM   #88 
     - Well, natch. It is a wonder how much can be ignored when  MineralMan   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #90 
     - Sirhan was in front of Bobby and his gun was at least three feet away from Bobby.  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #95 
        - Did Bobby Kennedy have a stiff neck? I hadn't heard that.  MineralMan   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #146 
           - Turning his head wouldn't have accounted for Sirhan getting close enough to fire the shot  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #147 
              - .22 long rifle ammo used in a short barrel pistol.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #150 
              - I don't have to explain anything away. There was a trial involved.  MineralMan   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #161 
                 - Sirhan's lawyers at the original trial made no real defense.  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #166 
     - Sirhan did have the gun, and probably did inflict the non-lethal wounds on the other four people.  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #93 
     - The only person directly behind RFK was security guard Thane E. Cesar, who had a .22  red dog 1   Nov-30-11 01:53 AM   #186 
     - A hot revolver too.....but hey, whatever!! Cue the "Poor Sirhan" crowd!  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #98 
     - Nobody is saying Sirhan didn't harm anyone that night  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #104 
     - I am not "obsessed with defending a flawed investigation" but I am intent on  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #113 
        - I didn't say Sirhan was innocent of ALL wrongdoing  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #122 
     - Aren't you conflating the "poor Sirhan" crowd with those who suspect a conspiracy?  AntiFascist   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #123 
        - Plus, you don't have to be a "poor Sirhan" type(btw, is ANYONE really a "poor Sirhan" type?)  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #130 
        - Let's hope his defense is vigorous, then, and we can put an end to some of this halfassed  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #174 
     - Nobody said SIrhan was innocent of ALL wrongdoing.  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 07:45 PM   #181 
     - he's being a "Manchurian assassin" has nothing to do with bullets being switched  villager   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #89 
     - It's also amazing how far a conspiracy theory can be stretched.  MineralMan   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #91 
        - This isn't "conspiracy theory", it's the hard facts of the case  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #97 
        - Bobby could not have turned around to greet someone? He was on wheels?  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #103 
        - Sirhan would have had to take several steps FORWARD, not back  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #108 
           - Shoot first, step back--that puts three feet between Sirhan and RFK.  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #121 
              - Nobody ever saw him get close enough to fire a shot from one inch away from Bobby  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #125 
                 - Well, given that your point-blank theory has been raked over the coals, how would that matter,  MADem   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #173 
        - Ken, I've read extensively on the assasination as I was only  Jazzgirl   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #105 
        - Thank you for that post  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #120 
        - Yawn.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #106 
        - "This isn't "conspiracy theory", it's the hard facts of the case"  zappaman   Nov-29-11 08:56 PM   #182 
        - Bwahaha....I don't see a conspiracy theory in this thread....  AntiFascist   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #102 
        - It's also kind of amazing how different kinds of evidence can be ignored  villager   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #124 
           - Indeed.  Ken Burch   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #127 
           - very weird that evidence is being ignored...  fascisthunter   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #167 
     - Duplicate Topic from Monday  happyslug   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #99 
     - RFK Must Die Movie  PufPuf23   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #114 
     - K&R  Tom Ripley   Nov-29-11 05:27 PM   #126 
     - WOW... very Interesting  fascisthunter   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #169 
     - Gosh, if he is innocent, how does the government ever make it up to him?  Trillo   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #172 
     - I LOVE the sound of knickers twisting in the evening!  dbt   Nov-29-11 05:28 PM   #176 

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