| 13. Because people using dog-whistle terms of the cold war are not sane. |
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"Mind Control" is propaganda, to all but the mentally ill, who believe it is real.
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| -Convicted RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan seeks prison release |
alp227 |
Nov-27-11 12:55 AM |
#0 |
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Uh huh |
zappaman |
Nov-27-11 01:00 AM |
#1 |
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So, even if there is evidence of another assassin, we should just let it go? n/t |
AntiFascist |
Nov-27-11 01:14 AM |
#3 |
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If there was evidence, there would be evidence. There isn't. |
TheWraith |
Nov-27-11 01:20 AM |
#6 |
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Apparently there is evidence, a sound recording surfaced that clearly shows 13 shots fired... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-27-11 01:54 AM |
#11 |
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In no telling of the assassination did Sirhan "put a gun to RFK's head." |
JackRiddler |
Nov-27-11 01:35 PM |
#44 |
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The autopsy says the bullet hit RFK an inch behind his right ear & |
dflprincess |
Nov-27-11 08:57 PM |
#57 |
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Where does it says that in the report?? I can not find it |
happyslug |
Nov-29-11 03:38 PM |
#79 |
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You think the JFK assassination has been explained? |
Bragi |
Nov-28-11 12:45 PM |
#73 |
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witness testimony places him no closer than 3-6 feet away. RFK was shot point blank... |
dionysus |
Nov-29-11 03:42 PM |
#81 |
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Is there any conspiracy, no matter how much proof, you will at least look into? |
Ter |
Nov-29-11 05:10 PM |
#84 |
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Regardless of how much he was |
zentrum |
Nov-27-11 01:11 AM |
#2 |
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Hmm... no. Fuck him. nt |
TheWraith |
Nov-27-11 01:19 AM |
#4 |
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The 1% would *never* conspire to assassinate a Kennedy |
Beam Me Up |
Nov-27-11 01:20 AM |
#5 |
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Oh yes, those poor, humble, working-man Kennedys. |
boppers |
Nov-27-11 01:22 AM |
#8 |
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Straw man. The issue posed was the 1%ers might well assassinate Kennedys. No one said Kennedys were |
No Elephants |
Nov-27-11 07:04 AM |
#29 |
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Julius Caesar was not exactly the 99% look what happened to him. |
gordianot |
Nov-27-11 07:14 AM |
#31 |
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Actually, the Kennedys were nouveau riche, not to mention Irish Catholic. |
Beam Me Up |
Nov-27-11 11:04 AM |
#37 |
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Fallacy Alert! Fallacy Alert! |
Odin2005 |
Nov-27-11 09:50 AM |
#35 |
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"hypno-programmed"? |
boppers |
Nov-27-11 01:20 AM |
#7 |
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How do you know? |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-27-11 02:11 AM |
#12 |
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Because people using dog-whistle terms of the cold war are not sane. |
boppers |
Nov-27-11 02:44 AM |
#13 |
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So Victor Marchetti... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-27-11 02:55 AM |
#16 |
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Yes. |
boppers |
Nov-27-11 05:04 AM |
#22 |
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Then what about when the Church Committee investigated MKULTRA... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-27-11 05:27 AM |
#25 |
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No, but wild outlandish claims about MKULTRA certainly seem to be. |
boppers |
Nov-28-11 12:41 AM |
#65 |
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ok, so I can understand why Sirhan may be paranoid, if he was subjected to certain drugs... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-28-11 12:53 AM |
#66 |
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Artichoke has an article as well. |
boppers |
Nov-28-11 01:23 AM |
#68 |
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Mentioned in the wiki article: |
AntiFascist |
Nov-28-11 01:29 AM |
#69 |
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Idiots can be placebo-effect convinced into being idiots. |
boppers |
Nov-28-11 05:02 AM |
#71 |
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It sounds like you don't believe in hypnosis... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-28-11 03:47 PM |
#74 |
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I have never in my life seen a credible demonstration. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 06:03 PM |
#180 |
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I think the point was to be able to frame a "lone wolf"... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-29-11 03:31 AM |
#77 |
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I suppose this declassified document is a figment of my imagination... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-27-11 05:48 AM |
#27 |
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That's a non-sequitur and red herring. |
Fantastic Anarchist |
Nov-27-11 02:58 AM |
#17 |
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He thinks he is real. |
boppers |
Nov-27-11 05:05 AM |
#23 |
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darren brown did a cool show about this. |
CEO Watson |
Nov-27-11 03:54 AM |
#18 |
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meh, lame. |
boppers |
Nov-27-11 05:08 AM |
#24 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-27-11 02:14 PM |
#47 |
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Forty-Three Years Is Plenty |
SoDesuKa |
Nov-27-11 01:32 AM |
#9 |
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An iniquity, yes. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-27-11 01:44 AM |
#10 |
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He could have gotten the death penalty in many states. |
pnwmom |
Nov-27-11 02:48 AM |
#15 |
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Sirhan was, in fact, sentenced to death |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-27-11 01:16 PM |
#42 |
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What was his reasoning? |
naaman fletcher |
Nov-27-11 04:04 AM |
#19 |
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MKULTRA |
Ter |
Nov-29-11 05:09 PM |
#83 |
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Charles Manson is still in prison |
Art_from_Ark |
Nov-27-11 04:47 AM |
#21 |
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Charles Manson |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-27-11 01:12 PM |
#41 |
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I believe killing a Presidential candidate should be punished more than other killings. |
No Elephants |
Nov-27-11 07:16 AM |
#32 |
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You might believe that, but Sirhan was convicted of first degree murder |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-27-11 01:18 PM |
#43 |
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Agreed |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-27-11 01:08 PM |
#40 |
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There's a difference between 'celebrities' and politicians - either running for office or in office |
nini |
Nov-27-11 06:03 PM |
#54 |
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He might as well have been convicted of Treason. A capital crime. (nt) |
w4rma |
Nov-27-11 11:20 PM |
#63 |
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He put a gun to Kennedy's head and pulled the trigger. |
pnwmom |
Nov-27-11 02:46 AM |
#14 |
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In no telling of the assassination did Sirhan "put a gun to Kennedy's head." |
JackRiddler |
Nov-27-11 01:36 PM |
#45 |
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"get the gun"!!! |
unionworks |
Nov-27-11 04:21 AM |
#20 |
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Sirhan was shooting the gun while |
Politicalboi |
Nov-27-11 05:42 AM |
#26 |
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I went to look up "conspiracy" |
unionworks |
Nov-27-11 06:09 AM |
#28 |
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Who changed RFK's route, so that he passed through the kitchen, where Sirhan was? |
No Elephants |
Nov-27-11 07:08 AM |
#30 |
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never. nt |
BootinUp |
Nov-27-11 09:28 AM |
#33 |
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Forget about it, Sirhan. You deserve to DIE in that prison cell. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-27-11 09:49 AM |
#34 |
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I can't remember which of his parole appeals it was |
MurrayDelph |
Nov-27-11 10:41 AM |
#36 |
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Talk about an unlucky guy |
Yupster |
Nov-28-11 01:06 AM |
#67 |
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There are many very serious questions about the RFK assassination |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-27-11 12:39 PM |
#38 |
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Awesome post! |
bitchkitty |
Nov-27-11 12:54 PM |
#39 |
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This should be an OP. |
senseandsensibility |
Nov-27-11 01:53 PM |
#46 |
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K & R See Post # 48 |
red dog 1 |
Nov-27-11 02:46 PM |
#49 |
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+1, the role played by Nixon should not be overlooked... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-27-11 03:11 PM |
#50 |
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Thanks for the info! I didn't know about RFK's secret investigation. |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-27-11 05:31 PM |
#52 |
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Yes, the book was only allowed to be distributed in the US in 2002... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-27-11 06:59 PM |
#55 |
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A Couple of problems with your thread |
happyslug |
Nov-27-11 03:51 PM |
#51 |
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A Couple of Problems with YOUR Thread! |
red dog 1 |
Nov-27-11 05:39 PM |
#53 |
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Humphrey still had more delegates then Kennedy even after California, |
happyslug |
Nov-27-11 07:33 PM |
#56 |
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Humphrey had more delegates, so fucking what? Poimt is, Caesar Killed RFK! |
red dog 1 |
Nov-27-11 11:07 PM |
#61 |
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POINT is, Thane Eugene Caesar Killed RFK. |
red dog 1 |
Nov-28-11 12:12 AM |
#64 |
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Apparently the CIA didn't get the message that Humphrey was a shoo-in. |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-28-11 09:20 AM |
#72 |
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What you said. |
Matilda |
Nov-27-11 10:13 PM |
#58 |
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You certainly raise an interesting debate over motive... |
ellisonz |
Nov-27-11 10:44 PM |
#59 |
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Thane Eugene Cesar, security guard behnd Bobby, lied about firing his gun, and more. |
red dog 1 |
Nov-27-11 02:17 PM |
#48 |
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wiki articles use underscores as spaces |
alp227 |
Nov-27-11 11:10 PM |
#62 |
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In Post # 48, Wikipedia link is broken.....Google "Thane Eugene Caesar" |
red dog 1 |
Nov-28-11 01:39 AM |
#70 |
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Sirhan Sirhan shot RFK merely to gain fame and notoriety |
Zorro |
Nov-27-11 10:46 PM |
#60 |
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Sirhan shot his gun, but did not shoot RFK. |
red dog 1 |
Nov-28-11 04:29 PM |
#75 |
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George Joannides should also have been a person of interest in the JFK case... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-29-11 04:12 AM |
#78 |
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As well as David Morales, and the entire CIA-JM WAVE crew in Florida. |
red dog 1 |
Nov-29-11 03:40 PM |
#80 |
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Another interesting piece of research is... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-29-11 04:58 PM |
#82 |
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Oswald was the only member of the New Orleans' chapter ofFair Play for Cuba" |
red dog 1 |
Nov-30-11 12:31 AM |
#183 |
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Excellent discussion all! |
JNelson6563 |
Nov-28-11 05:32 PM |
#76 |
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Bullet Was Switched at Sirhan Sirhan Trial, Lawyers Say |
vminfla |
Nov-29-11 05:26 PM |
#85 |
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Incredible. Talk about a desperation appeal. I doubt it will work. nt. |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:26 PM |
#86 |
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Sirhan was in front of Bobby and his gun was at least three feet away |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#92 |
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He was there with a gun. Who here said he acted alone? nt |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#94 |
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That's what all the derisive posts in this thread are implying. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#96 |
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A conspiracy that he didn't do it and was being "wrongfully accused." |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#101 |
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It's entirely possible that doing that would get his family killed. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#112 |
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Maybe--but he could also have let investigators know that, and I'm quite sure they |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#115 |
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Sirhan may also believe he killed RFK |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#118 |
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You haven't come up with a single reasonable explanation why he would not have named others. |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#129 |
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The only entry in Sirhan's diary that referenced the "RFK must DIE" idea |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#131 |
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Oh, really? You're a handwriting expert, now? |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#136 |
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The links are out there, and it wasn't me making the observation about the handwriting. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#148 |
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"The links are out there." Is that a riff on that old TV show about aliens? |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#158 |
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I made several reasonable explanations |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#132 |
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You aren't offering any proof of your suppositions. |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#142 |
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Three feet IS "point blank range." |
TheWraith |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#107 |
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Wrong. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#111 |
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Attempted intimidation? You were the one who raised the "Only a Republican" flag!! nt |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#117 |
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Wrong. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#119 |
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No--not wrong. You said it--now own it. Your view is the only one that matters--to you. |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#135 |
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You were being derisive before I posted anything |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#139 |
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Nonsense. You are having as much trouble with the word "derisive" as you were with |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#145 |
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The reference to Republicans is off the point |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#144 |
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It is not "off the point." It IS the point. You throw an insult when challenged. |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#154 |
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What was lame was acting as if it is silly to question the flawed investigation |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#157 |
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I've invited you to prove your assertions. You answered "The links are out there." |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#160 |
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Not wrong. You simply have no clue what you're talking about. |
TheWraith |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#140 |
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"GSR only travels one to three inches out of the barrel of a gun"? Utterly false. |
greyl |
Nov-30-11 12:50 AM |
#184 |
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Behind the right ear is not "from behind". |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#109 |
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It's also based on the path the bullet took inside of Bobby's head |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#116 |
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A coroner is not necessarily a ballistics expert. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#134 |
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The bullet passed through the mastoid process |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#138 |
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I didn't say "couldn't have inflicted the head wound" |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#143 |
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Stippling can occur within 3 feet |
udbcrzy2 |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#152 |
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Depends on too many factors to list. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#155 |
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And quelle surprise... |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#137 |
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I think you may mean "gunpowder residue" rather than |
MineralMan |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#149 |
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A bullet! |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#151 |
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Gunpowder residue is what I meant...but my impression was that |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#153 |
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I don't believe so. Generally terminology used in courtrooms is |
MineralMan |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#156 |
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Consider it amended to gunpowder, for whatever it's worth. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#159 |
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If you're imprecise in one thing, why should I assume that you are |
MineralMan |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#162 |
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It's not just "conspiracy theory" |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#164 |
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In your opinion, Sirhan couldn't have fired the shot. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 05:52 PM |
#177 |
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you seriously are trying to destroy that poster's credibility |
fascisthunter |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#165 |
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It just doesn't make sense that anyone on OUR side of the political spectrum |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#168 |
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Yeah, I thought of that too |
fascisthunter |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#170 |
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I will |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#171 |
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"You raise good points" |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 05:58 PM |
#179 |
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You have made overbroad statements, and several errors thus far, stated as fact. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 05:54 PM |
#178 |
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oh brother |
fascisthunter |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#163 |
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If you have been turned into a Manchurian Candidate, and kill someone, |
truedelphi |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#128 |
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Ah, conspiracy theory at its very, very best. |
MineralMan |
Nov-29-11 05:26 PM |
#87 |
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No...hard evidence... |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#100 |
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Cite credible sources for your claims. |
TheWraith |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#110 |
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Dr. Noguchi's autopsy report is a credible source. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#133 |
| -
Provide a link to a reputable source showing the complete text. |
TheWraith |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#141 |
| -
I hate skeptics more than anything in life |
Ter |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#175 |
| -
You seem extremely skeptical of skepticism for some reason. |
greyl |
Nov-30-11 12:53 AM |
#185 |
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Hmm, Rosie Grier grabbed the wrong 'guy with a revolver in his hand'? |
louis-t |
Nov-29-11 05:26 PM |
#88 |
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Well, natch. It is a wonder how much can be ignored when |
MineralMan |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#90 |
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Sirhan was in front of Bobby and his gun was at least three feet away from Bobby. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#95 |
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Did Bobby Kennedy have a stiff neck? I hadn't heard that. |
MineralMan |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#146 |
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Turning his head wouldn't have accounted for Sirhan getting close enough to fire the shot |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#147 |
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.22 long rifle ammo used in a short barrel pistol. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#150 |
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I don't have to explain anything away. There was a trial involved. |
MineralMan |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#161 |
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Sirhan's lawyers at the original trial made no real defense. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#166 |
| -
Sirhan did have the gun, and probably did inflict the non-lethal wounds on the other four people. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#93 |
| -
The only person directly behind RFK was security guard Thane E. Cesar, who had a .22 |
red dog 1 |
Nov-30-11 01:53 AM |
#186 |
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A hot revolver too.....but hey, whatever!! Cue the "Poor Sirhan" crowd! |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#98 |
| -
Nobody is saying Sirhan didn't harm anyone that night |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#104 |
| -
I am not "obsessed with defending a flawed investigation" but I am intent on |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#113 |
| -
I didn't say Sirhan was innocent of ALL wrongdoing |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#122 |
| -
Aren't you conflating the "poor Sirhan" crowd with those who suspect a conspiracy? |
AntiFascist |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#123 |
| -
Plus, you don't have to be a "poor Sirhan" type(btw, is ANYONE really a "poor Sirhan" type?) |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#130 |
| -
Let's hope his defense is vigorous, then, and we can put an end to some of this halfassed |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#174 |
| -
Nobody said SIrhan was innocent of ALL wrongdoing. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 07:45 PM |
#181 |
| -
he's being a "Manchurian assassin" has nothing to do with bullets being switched |
villager |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#89 |
| -
It's also amazing how far a conspiracy theory can be stretched. |
MineralMan |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#91 |
| -
This isn't "conspiracy theory", it's the hard facts of the case |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#97 |
| -
Bobby could not have turned around to greet someone? He was on wheels? |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#103 |
| -
Sirhan would have had to take several steps FORWARD, not back |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#108 |
| -
Shoot first, step back--that puts three feet between Sirhan and RFK. |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#121 |
| -
Nobody ever saw him get close enough to fire a shot from one inch away from Bobby |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#125 |
| -
Well, given that your point-blank theory has been raked over the coals, how would that matter, |
MADem |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#173 |
| -
Ken, I've read extensively on the assasination as I was only |
Jazzgirl |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#105 |
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Thank you for that post |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#120 |
| -
Yawn. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#106 |
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"This isn't "conspiracy theory", it's the hard facts of the case" |
zappaman |
Nov-29-11 08:56 PM |
#182 |
| -
Bwahaha....I don't see a conspiracy theory in this thread.... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#102 |
| -
It's also kind of amazing how different kinds of evidence can be ignored |
villager |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#124 |
| -
Indeed. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#127 |
| -
very weird that evidence is being ignored... |
fascisthunter |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#167 |
| -
Duplicate Topic from Monday |
happyslug |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#99 |
| -
RFK Must Die Movie |
PufPuf23 |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#114 |
| -
K&R |
Tom Ripley |
Nov-29-11 05:27 PM |
#126 |
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WOW... very Interesting |
fascisthunter |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#169 |
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Gosh, if he is innocent, how does the government ever make it up to him? |
Trillo |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#172 |
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I LOVE the sound of knickers twisting in the evening! |
dbt |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
#176 |
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