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Mon Nov-28-11 02:01 AM
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| 7. Texas sharpshooter fallacy coming through! |
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You posit that Marwan al-Shehhi intended and planned to hit the south tower the way he did, that the last minute bank was planned and performed intentionally.
I posit that because Marwan al-Shehhi was a crap pilot, he forgot to correct for crosswind, realised he was about to miss the south tower entirely, probably yanked hard on the yoke and barely managed to hit it in the end.
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| -The improbability of piloting UA175 |
spooked911 |
Nov-27-11 05:26 PM |
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"Why"? |
zappaman |
Nov-27-11 06:04 PM |
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I don't know. |
Larry L. Burks |
Nov-27-11 06:33 PM |
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Thanks Larry! |
zappaman |
Nov-27-11 07:45 PM |
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Someone has GOT to look into the abject failure of the chemtrails program |
jberryhill |
Nov-28-11 12:17 AM |
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Larry, how is your energy machine coming along? |
jberryhill |
Nov-27-11 09:49 PM |
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I don't believe the OP was saying there were planes (nt) |
T S Justly |
Nov-29-11 01:39 PM |
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Ah, spooked, enjoying the holiday weekend? |
jberryhill |
Nov-27-11 09:44 PM |
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Texas sharpshooter fallacy coming through! |
KDLarsen |
Nov-28-11 02:01 AM |
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"correct for crosswind" |
spooked911 |
Nov-28-11 06:56 AM |
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if it wasn't planned, then in what sense would it be "precise"? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Nov-28-11 07:37 AM |
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"precise" in the sense of the visible execution and end result |
spooked911 |
Nov-28-11 12:01 PM |
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say whaa? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Nov-28-11 06:32 PM |
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you're hopeless |
spooked911 |
Nov-28-11 07:51 PM |
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if you had better arguments, you'd get better results |
OnTheOtherHand |
Nov-29-11 11:57 AM |
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I may not have taken account of every rebuttal, but certainly I pointed out the power-dive rebuttal |
spooked911 |
Dec-02-11 09:47 AM |
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wake up |
OnTheOtherHand |
Dec-02-11 11:27 AM |
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are you a lawyer in real life? |
spooked911 |
Dec-03-11 06:53 PM |
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I think you should stop impugning me and spend more time on your posts |
OnTheOtherHand |
Dec-03-11 07:44 PM |
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funny, coming from someone who endlessly impugns me |
spooked911 |
Dec-04-11 08:53 AM |
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I try very hard to be patient |
OnTheOtherHand |
Dec-04-11 09:31 AM |
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On your general points, I understand your sentiments, and thanks for the anecdote. |
spooked911 |
Dec-05-11 01:25 PM |
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that is clear, but not at all convincing |
OnTheOtherHand |
Dec-06-11 08:01 AM |
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do you think the "regulatory limit" of Vmo is arbitrary or for a reason? |
spooked911 |
Dec-06-11 12:28 PM |
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so a bullshit Socratic number is the best thing you've got? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Dec-06-11 01:14 PM |
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I've answered plenty of your questions... jeesh |
spooked911 |
Dec-07-11 07:24 PM |
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spooked, I could not make it more clear |
OnTheOtherHand |
Dec-08-11 06:35 AM |
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Since Vne = "never exceed speed" why are you so concerned by Vmo? |
hack89 |
Dec-07-11 04:06 PM |
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The Vne of a 767 is .86 mach = 560 knots at 1000 feet. |
hack89 |
Dec-07-11 04:12 PM |
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I think your first link is as I've pasted below |
OnTheOtherHand |
Dec-07-11 05:32 PM |
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But you agree that Vne is the speed you need to concern yourself with? nt |
hack89 |
Dec-07-11 06:21 PM |
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let me put it this way |
OnTheOtherHand |
Dec-08-11 06:51 AM |
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it's not at all clear that Vne = 0.86 mach at 1000 feet |
spooked911 |
Dec-07-11 07:42 PM |
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Then find a different calculation that gives a different result. |
hack89 |
Dec-07-11 09:29 PM |
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btw, it's funny-- you clearly are interested in conspiracies, |
spooked911 |
Dec-06-11 12:32 PM |
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? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Dec-06-11 01:22 PM |
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please explain how you think I used this fallacy |
spooked911 |
Nov-28-11 12:06 PM |
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I'll be you $1000 dollars I can do it. in a simulator |
ryan_cats |
Nov-28-11 04:46 PM |
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"1) Throttles, 2) Yolk, 3) rudder" |
jberryhill |
Nov-28-11 05:45 PM |
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I like my yolks, sunny side up |
ryan_cats |
Nov-29-11 03:59 PM |
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I don't think you'd need 4 hours to do it..... |
Old and In the Way |
Nov-29-11 09:13 PM |
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doing it at 540 mph is impossible |
spooked911 |
Dec-02-11 09:34 AM |
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Plane breaks up |
ryan_cats |
Dec-02-11 10:55 AM |
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did you hit it going 540 mph? |
spooked911 |
Dec-04-11 08:56 AM |
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I have tried -- using Flight Sim |
spooked911 |
Dec-02-11 09:34 AM |
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I know you have a high opinion of yourself... |
ryan_cats |
Dec-04-11 07:22 PM |
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A few points of discussion |
sgsmith |
Nov-28-11 05:27 PM |
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Thanks-- a few points in response |
spooked911 |
Dec-02-11 09:42 AM |
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Response |
sgsmith |
Dec-04-11 01:58 PM |
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I don't get the planned maneuver part |
deconstruct911 |
Dec-02-11 11:15 AM |
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But flight 11 did bank. |
sgsmith |
Dec-02-11 01:33 PM |
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Spooked, you are right on time |
LARED |
Nov-28-11 06:01 PM |
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good info, thnx (nt) |
T S Justly |
Nov-29-11 01:52 AM |
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cuz they saw it on teevee |
mrarundale |
Nov-29-11 02:18 PM |
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The idea that there was mass panicking following Well's WotW broadcast is a myth |
salvorhardin |
Dec-03-11 07:51 PM |
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How do you know? |
mrarundale |
Dec-04-11 04:40 PM |
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That is an excellent question... |
terrafirma |
Nov-29-11 10:21 PM |
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Many don't believe it |
mrarundale |
Dec-04-11 04:43 PM |
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The Vne of a 767 is .86 mach = 560 knots at 1000 feet. |
hack89 |
Dec-07-11 04:11 PM |
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This has been posted before |
deconstruct911 |
Dec-11-11 03:41 PM |
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It's ALL been posted before D911 |
mrarundale |
Dec-12-11 06:23 PM |
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You got me |
deconstruct911 |
Dec-12-11 07:31 PM |
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