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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:40 PM
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21. I agree with some of what you have written......
while at the end of the day, to believe that Cities, Counties and States would not confer
with each other on a similar issue that is occurring nationwide would be naive and
unreasonable.

For those bent on believing that this President would be personally involved is stretching the matter
in order to make him the responsible party, and to turn Occupy Wall Street into a
movement like the Tea Party, which rather than concentrating on issues and how they
can make a positive difference, would prefer to simply blame one man for all of the
perceived problems in the world, in order to simplify the aim of their ire.

At this point, those active participants of Occupy Wall Street will have to determine whether the
goal, at the end of the day, is to be mad at everyone based on speculative heresy or murky causal link, and start to activate as a spoiler in the upcoming elections, or whether they actually want to affect change towards the positive, and in so doing, not react based on rumors which will only make them vulnerable to manipulation by those players whose biggest wish is to see this President fail, no matter how the end result might affect those currently in the 99%.

To this point, I have been a supporter of this movement, and have donated to the cause.
I have also written to the various elected officials in the California State government,
registering my contempt for their methods and their approach in dealing with the movement. I have written to the governor, the CA Attorney General on down to the Oakland US Representative of the district and the mayor (as I am in Oakland), and also to Pres. Obama.

However, if the OWS movement wants to find a way to shrink their numbers, I would suggest that they go after Pres. Obama, and act as spoilers. What they will find, is that many will stop supporting them, as they start to understand that this movement may only lead to an all Republican government in the near future; something that would be very harmful to the overwhelming majority of the 99%, and would be advantageous to the 1%; which is a complete contradiction to what the movement presented itself to be about originally.

Pointing fingers has consequences, and so as long as everyone fully understands what that might mean, then they should go for what they know. If they lose support due to it, well, at least they understood that could be the case. If they choose to place blame as their overarching concern, then they should know that taking actions that would eventually put the 99% in a worse position then they are now will only demonstrate that even those who mean well can sometimes hurt the cause. Unintended consequences or not, it all will have an effect.....and that will be the lasting message.

This is the place in history where the OWS movement can either go the way of the 1968 protests which gave us Richard Nixon, or not....and I guess it will depend how much some in the movement, who call themselves speaking for it...have to lose, as sometimes not having anything to lose personally can make one less sensitive to what others may have to lose in a long run. None of us are perfect, and I would not assume that some who believe themselves to be the exception truly are.
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  -On OWS evictions and FEDERAL coordination nadinbrzezinski  Nov-16-11 11:45 AM   #0 
  - Federal coordination to suppress peaceable dissent should be an impeachable offense.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-16-11 11:49 AM   #1 
  - From a legal perspective you are very correct  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 11:50 AM   #2 
  - +99 n/t  grasswire   Nov-16-11 11:50 AM   #3 
  - Proof that is not a unsupported blog post?  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 11:52 AM   #5 
     - There is none, because the ONLY source is an anonymous claim by a blogger with no reputation.  TheWraith   Nov-16-11 03:58 PM   #47 
  - Anything besides an unsourced speculative blog posts to back up Federal coordination?  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 11:51 AM   #4 
  - Well at the very least we have the words of Mayor Quan  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 11:53 AM   #6 
     - When there are facts, I will deal with substantive issues. This is an internet rumor.  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 11:55 AM   #7 
        - So mayor Quan NEVER SAID THAT TO THE BBC  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 11:57 AM   #8 
           - Did Quan say there was federal coordination? (On Edit: No)  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 11:58 AM   #9 
              - No but you surely can understand implication  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 12:08 PM   #11 
                 - The pattern I am seeing is the Modern DU's obsessive need to treat internet speculation as fact  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 12:16 PM   #14 
                    - You know the truth... CONTRIELRPRO wasn't real either  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 12:21 PM   #16 
                       - Look, I am not discounting it as "out of hand" I am only saying the single source for this claim is  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 12:31 PM   #17 
                          - My second source was the Keith Olberman show last night  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 12:33 PM   #19 
                             - You are referring to Michael Moore, who cited the SAME story...  brooklynite   Nov-16-11 10:21 PM   #59 
  - What is uncontestable is that the DOJ isn't intervening to protect freedom of assembly and speech.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-16-11 12:02 PM   #10 
  - The latter will probably come forth after the mess  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 12:08 PM   #12 
  - Google gives me nothing for Contrielpro  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 12:35 PM   #20 
     - wiki article here: COINTELPRO  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 12:45 PM   #22 
        - Yes, I know about COINTELPRO.  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 01:01 PM   #24 
           - Actually I know about it  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 01:04 PM   #27 
              - The care shown in writing some thing for publication  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 01:40 PM   #32 
                 - I see... I actually have  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 01:53 PM   #35 
                 - I visited Occupy Austin  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 03:17 PM   #41 
                 - Spelling errors (bracketed for convenience)  MFrohike   Nov-16-11 01:57 PM   #38 
                    - Yeah, I had a proplem when I tried to correct too.  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 03:08 PM   #40 
                       - My point  MFrohike   Nov-16-11 03:24 PM   #42 
                          - CONTRIELPRO is a bit more than the misspelling of COINTELPRO  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 03:27 PM   #43 
                             - Really?  MFrohike   Nov-16-11 03:43 PM   #44 
                                - Okay, all we have to do is get all the letters there.  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 03:55 PM   #46 
                                   - How do you support it? And what is a bound?  MFrohike   Nov-16-11 04:05 PM   #49 
                                      - Realize that DHS agents have been witnessed by  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:44 PM   #54 
                                         - I'm undecided  MFrohike   Nov-16-11 06:29 PM   #56 
                                            - Yeah but I was talking of Federal involvement  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 06:55 PM   #57 
  - Agree -- wholly agree -- !!  defendandprotect   Nov-20-11 11:32 PM   #63 
  - Thank you!  FirstLight   Nov-16-11 12:14 PM   #13 
  - K&R Thanks :) n/t  OneGrassRoot   Nov-16-11 12:20 PM   #15 
  - Unrec for passing rumors as facts.  jaxx   Nov-16-11 12:33 PM   #18 
  - +1  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 01:02 PM   #26 
  - Thank you for the kick though  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 01:05 PM   #28 
  - I agree with some of what you have written......  FrenchieCat   Nov-16-11 12:40 PM   #21 
  - Actively involved would mean ordering a stand down  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 01:07 PM   #29 
     - in my one + one half almost equals two category  xiamiam   Nov-16-11 04:33 PM   #51 
  - And a rec.  Le Taz Hot   Nov-16-11 12:52 PM   #23 
  - Thank you, Le Taz. I remeber those events well.  Mimosa   Nov-16-11 04:46 PM   #52 
  - Another rec  fascisthunter   Nov-16-11 01:02 PM   #25 
  - Preachin' to the choir!  Juneboarder   Nov-16-11 01:35 PM   #30 
  - um, some of this choir  dana_b   Nov-16-11 01:43 PM   # 
     - I was selfishly referring to my personal choir, lol...  Juneboarder   Nov-16-11 01:51 PM   #34 
     - Rush has that wrong actually  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 02:56 PM   #39 
     - Oh what would those dirty hippies know?  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 01:55 PM   #36 
  - Of note, MSNBC is now talking of this coordination  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 01:36 PM   #31 
  - rumors == inconvenient truth  Warren Stupidity   Nov-16-11 01:55 PM   #37 
  - K&R  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-16-11 01:43 PM   #33 
  - People are in the streets  Aerows   Nov-16-11 03:44 PM   #45 
  - .  fascisthunter   Nov-16-11 05:52 PM   #55 
  - Kickety rec  hifiguy   Nov-16-11 04:01 PM   #48 
  - K&R nt  TBF   Nov-16-11 04:09 PM   #50 
  - kick  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:41 PM   #53 
  - kick  Warren Stupidity   Nov-16-11 07:42 PM   #58 
  - kick  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 11:30 PM   #60 
     - WHY is this moved to 9/11? n/t  grasswire   Nov-20-11 06:09 PM   #61 
        - This is where unsubstantiated conspiracies end up. nt  hack89   Nov-20-11 08:08 PM   #62 
 

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