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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 11:45 AM
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On OWS evictions and FEDERAL coordination
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No, it is not shocking, nor is it surprising. For the record it has zero to do with who is in the White House. OWS is perceived as a challenge to those in power. It is a demand that WE THE PEOPLE take charge of how the country is run, and who it benefits. In spite of all the flowery language in our history and founding documents this has mostly never been the case. Oh there are exceptions, and they took a lot shoe leather, and also people who died.

If this was NOT HAPPENING, now that would be surprising. This is about power, and how power reacts to a direct challenge to it. This is the body deploying the white cells. Which by the way is also telling on HOW MUCH the TEA PARTY was not a grass roots movement (it was for about a week) and how it was advancing the goals of a power elite. That is why they could walk around totting AR-15, and open carry guns. That is precisely why.

OWS is a challenge, a very direct challenge. Is it horrible that is happening under a Democrat in the WH? For partisans it is. Will hard core partisans defend these actions? Of course my horse. They are also threatened by this challenge and are deeply invested in the status quo. So the hippie in the streets, who smoke pot and do nothing all day, are nothing they will tolerate. Why? Deeply they undersand they are not hippies. It is one of those things you know in your gut, even if your mind has not registered this yet.

Suffice it to say... POWER... not party specific, POWER, needs to destroy this direct attack. Why the coordination. And it is really independent of who is in the white house. If we had a President that came out and said ENOUGH (See Eisenhower, and that one I suspect it was his life experience including being involved as chief of staff to McCarthur during the Bonus army mess)... or FDR... or even Kennedy... that requires something that is currently lacking in DC.

LEADERSHIP...

We have many euphemisms for it. But truth be told we have the very early cracks in that edifice when the legal aide to Mayor Quan very publicly resigned. As well as the two cops who turned their badges back in Denver. I am not a fly in anybody's wall, but as we move forward discussions will be had about what to do about OWS, from co-option to destroying it. Power is reacting in expected ways... and to be brutally honest, power does not understand this new enemy, yes insurgency, in it's mist.

But now we are in that interesting dynamic...

I will go on in a little while in another OP in the internal dynamic at OWS I have observed. One that is also not a seed of destruction, but a seed of this growing in so many directions.
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  -On OWS evictions and FEDERAL coordination nadinbrzezinski  Nov-16-11 11:45 AM   #0 
  - Federal coordination to suppress peaceable dissent should be an impeachable offense.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-16-11 11:49 AM   #1 
  - From a legal perspective you are very correct  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 11:50 AM   #2 
  - +99 n/t  grasswire   Nov-16-11 11:50 AM   #3 
  - Proof that is not a unsupported blog post?  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 11:52 AM   #5 
     - There is none, because the ONLY source is an anonymous claim by a blogger with no reputation.  TheWraith   Nov-16-11 03:58 PM   #47 
  - Anything besides an unsourced speculative blog posts to back up Federal coordination?  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 11:51 AM   #4 
  - Well at the very least we have the words of Mayor Quan  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 11:53 AM   #6 
     - When there are facts, I will deal with substantive issues. This is an internet rumor.  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 11:55 AM   #7 
        - So mayor Quan NEVER SAID THAT TO THE BBC  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 11:57 AM   #8 
           - Did Quan say there was federal coordination? (On Edit: No)  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 11:58 AM   #9 
              - No but you surely can understand implication  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 12:08 PM   #11 
                 - The pattern I am seeing is the Modern DU's obsessive need to treat internet speculation as fact  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 12:16 PM   #14 
                    - You know the truth... CONTRIELRPRO wasn't real either  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 12:21 PM   #16 
                       - Look, I am not discounting it as "out of hand" I am only saying the single source for this claim is  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 12:31 PM   #17 
                          - My second source was the Keith Olberman show last night  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 12:33 PM   #19 
                             - You are referring to Michael Moore, who cited the SAME story...  brooklynite   Nov-16-11 10:21 PM   #59 
  - What is uncontestable is that the DOJ isn't intervening to protect freedom of assembly and speech.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-16-11 12:02 PM   #10 
  - The latter will probably come forth after the mess  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 12:08 PM   #12 
  - Google gives me nothing for Contrielpro  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 12:35 PM   #20 
     - wiki article here: COINTELPRO  emulatorloo   Nov-16-11 12:45 PM   #22 
        - Yes, I know about COINTELPRO.  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 01:01 PM   #24 
           - Actually I know about it  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 01:04 PM   #27 
              - The care shown in writing some thing for publication  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 01:40 PM   #32 
                 - I see... I actually have  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 01:53 PM   #35 
                 - I visited Occupy Austin  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 03:17 PM   #41 
                 - Spelling errors (bracketed for convenience)  MFrohike   Nov-16-11 01:57 PM   #38 
                    - Yeah, I had a proplem when I tried to correct too.  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 03:08 PM   #40 
                       - My point  MFrohike   Nov-16-11 03:24 PM   #42 
                          - CONTRIELPRO is a bit more than the misspelling of COINTELPRO  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 03:27 PM   #43 
                             - Really?  MFrohike   Nov-16-11 03:43 PM   #44 
                                - Okay, all we have to do is get all the letters there.  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 03:55 PM   #46 
                                   - How do you support it? And what is a bound?  MFrohike   Nov-16-11 04:05 PM   #49 
                                      - Realize that DHS agents have been witnessed by  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:44 PM   #54 
                                         - I'm undecided  MFrohike   Nov-16-11 06:29 PM   #56 
                                            - Yeah but I was talking of Federal involvement  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 06:55 PM   #57 
  - Agree -- wholly agree -- !!  defendandprotect   Nov-20-11 11:32 PM   #63 
  - Thank you!  FirstLight   Nov-16-11 12:14 PM   #13 
  - K&R Thanks :) n/t  OneGrassRoot   Nov-16-11 12:20 PM   #15 
  - Unrec for passing rumors as facts.  jaxx   Nov-16-11 12:33 PM   #18 
  - +1  Hangingon   Nov-16-11 01:02 PM   #26 
  - Thank you for the kick though  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 01:05 PM   #28 
  - I agree with some of what you have written......  FrenchieCat   Nov-16-11 12:40 PM   #21 
  - Actively involved would mean ordering a stand down  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 01:07 PM   #29 
     - in my one + one half almost equals two category  xiamiam   Nov-16-11 04:33 PM   #51 
  - And a rec.  Le Taz Hot   Nov-16-11 12:52 PM   #23 
  - Thank you, Le Taz. I remeber those events well.  Mimosa   Nov-16-11 04:46 PM   #52 
  - Another rec  fascisthunter   Nov-16-11 01:02 PM   #25 
  - Preachin' to the choir!  Juneboarder   Nov-16-11 01:35 PM   #30 
  - um, some of this choir  dana_b   Nov-16-11 01:43 PM   # 
     - I was selfishly referring to my personal choir, lol...  Juneboarder   Nov-16-11 01:51 PM   #34 
     - Rush has that wrong actually  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 02:56 PM   #39 
     - Oh what would those dirty hippies know?  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 01:55 PM   #36 
  - Of note, MSNBC is now talking of this coordination  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 01:36 PM   #31 
  - rumors == inconvenient truth  Warren Stupidity   Nov-16-11 01:55 PM   #37 
  - K&R  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-16-11 01:43 PM   #33 
  - People are in the streets  Aerows   Nov-16-11 03:44 PM   #45 
  - .  fascisthunter   Nov-16-11 05:52 PM   #55 
  - Kickety rec  hifiguy   Nov-16-11 04:01 PM   #48 
  - K&R nt  TBF   Nov-16-11 04:09 PM   #50 
  - kick  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 05:41 PM   #53 
  - kick  Warren Stupidity   Nov-16-11 07:42 PM   #58 
  - kick  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-16-11 11:30 PM   #60 
     - WHY is this moved to 9/11? n/t  grasswire   Nov-20-11 06:09 PM   #61 
        - This is where unsubstantiated conspiracies end up. nt  hack89   Nov-20-11 08:08 PM   #62 
 

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