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Thu Sep-15-11 06:26 PM
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| 87. Unless I missed it, a couple of things are missing from this thread. |
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Edited on Thu Sep-15-11 06:30 PM by RC
The first being reportedly that 8000 gallons or pounds of burning jet fuel ran down the elevator shafts to the 7th sub basement and burned so hot that it melted the supporting columns, causing the collapse. The recent 60 Minutes on 9/11 even mentioned it as fact. That is patently ridicules. Elevator doors are fire doors, which means they are close fitting. There are not enough space for much of anything to go down. It doesn't much matter whether the door are open or closed. Open the car would seal the shaft. Large amounts of burning anything flowing down the shafts ain't a gonna happen. To say nothing of the fact at that level, most if not all the elevators did not even go to the ground floor. Enough burning jet fuel flowing down 80 some stories and burning so hot at the bottom of the elevator shafts to bring down a steel frame building? And this supposedly happened to two buildings?
The other thing, WTC7. The only way it could look as a controlled demolition, was because it was. On the out side it looked like any other steel frame brick building. On the inside, it wasn't. Half the building was built over a large sub-station. The sub-station fed the whole area, including WTC 1&2. The two halves of the building were built very differently from the ground up to the very top. There was no jet fuel involved here. Now, how could a fire collapse this steel frame building uniformly, as to simulate a demolition, especially if the two halves were built differently? One of only three steel frame buildings in the world to ever collapse from fire. Collapses that all happened in the same area, on the same day, from the same event.
Edited to add: The second plane to hit, hit on a corner and most of the fuel load burned outside the building in a big fire ball. That building collapses first.
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| -After the planes hit the towers - When did you first feel we were being lied too? |
Yooperman |
Sep-12-11 11:47 AM |
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As soon as the second one hit, I said to myself, "What is George Bush doing to us?" nt |
valerief |
Sep-12-11 11:47 AM |
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Pretty much said the same at about the same time. nt |
SammyWinstonJack |
Sep-12-11 11:50 AM |
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The magical passport on top the immediate hijacker list... |
rfranklin |
Sep-12-11 11:48 AM |
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The list was published on Sept. 14 |
RZM |
Sep-12-11 11:55 AM |
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The fact that the CIA was tracking some of these guys |
Rex |
Sep-12-11 12:04 PM |
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Sorry, but they claimed they had the list two hours later... |
rfranklin |
Sep-12-11 12:10 PM |
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But I referred to the date the list was made public |
RZM |
Sep-12-11 12:16 PM |
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Some of identifications were bogus... |
rfranklin |
Sep-12-11 03:30 PM |
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The pilots were CIA assets -- trained by US government -- of course they knew! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-14-11 04:18 AM |
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As soon as the PNAC published the plan - a decade before the planes hit. |
saras |
Sep-12-11 11:49 AM |
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Oh, come on. It was only a year before. |
KamaAina |
Sep-12-11 11:51 AM |
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When the identity of the hijackers was discovered so quickly. |
Gormy Cuss |
Sep-12-11 11:49 AM |
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as soon as i heard the air quality was good enough to go near the towers |
leftyohiolib |
Sep-12-11 11:49 AM |
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Yeah... I didn't think about that one.... |
Yooperman |
Sep-12-11 12:28 PM |
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CIA asset Susan Lindauer says CIA was expecting "Thermonuclear device"/Demolition ---Radiation -- |
defendandprotect |
Sep-14-11 04:20 AM |
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When Janine Garafalo said so. n/t |
Shagbark Hickory |
Sep-12-11 11:49 AM |
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I didn't question anything for awhile. I gave bush the benefit of the doubt. |
ejpoeta |
Sep-12-11 11:49 AM |
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Same here... |
CJCRANE |
Sep-12-11 03:36 PM |
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I knew as soon as the second plane hit. I watched that live. |
grasswire |
Sep-12-11 11:50 AM |
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Flame-proof, explosion-proof passports miraculously found the next day. |
Arugula Latte |
Sep-12-11 11:51 AM |
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Yep... my thoughts exactly... |
Yooperman |
Sep-12-11 12:26 PM |
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Amazing that didn't raise more eyebrows. |
Arugula Latte |
Sep-12-11 12:26 PM |
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When this picture was released |
Broderick |
Sep-12-11 11:52 AM |
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Is that allegedly the "plane" .... ???? Someone's balcony? What is it ??? |
defendandprotect |
Sep-14-11 04:24 AM |
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This falls into the category... |
LARED |
Sep-14-11 04:40 AM |
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It's called "Photoshop".... using computer manipulation of images to |
David Sky |
Sep-25-11 08:00 AM |
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OH....MY.....GOD |
zappaman |
Sep-25-11 10:46 AM |
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Good Lord. nt |
Codeine |
Sep-26-11 09:11 AM |
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When building 7 went down |
Botany |
Sep-12-11 11:53 AM |
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Yes.. that was a huge one for me also |
Yooperman |
Sep-12-11 12:35 PM |
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Videos don't lie ..... a perfectly symmetrical collapse |
Botany |
Sep-12-11 01:37 PM |
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The people that dispute the evidence that this video portrays, must think that |
teddy51 |
Sep-12-11 01:45 PM |
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Mmmm.... maybe by LISTENING to the video? (n/t) |
William Seger |
Sep-13-11 11:44 AM |
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True -- but it did have ASBESTOS .... |
defendandprotect |
Sep-14-11 04:25 AM |
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Are you familiar with the NIST report on Bldg 7? Its interesting construction |
Flatulo |
Sep-18-11 12:07 AM |
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When Cheney selected himself to be vice-president. |
Ikonoklast |
Sep-12-11 11:54 AM |
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before the planes hit the towers... |
Javaman |
Sep-12-11 11:54 AM |
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When they said they knew who did it right away |
The Blue Flower |
Sep-12-11 11:56 AM |
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It took me a few days |
Papagoose |
Sep-12-11 11:56 AM |
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I have always wondered how the story of Marvin Bush's ... |
Botany |
Sep-12-11 12:04 PM |
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Probably because it was not his company... |
Ohio Joe |
Sep-12-11 12:37 PM |
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FYI |
Botany |
Sep-12-11 01:16 PM |
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True but... |
Ohio Joe |
Sep-12-11 01:23 PM |
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Agreed... |
Yooperman |
Sep-12-11 12:37 PM |
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+1000% --- protection of the BFEE is amazing -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-14-11 04:27 AM |
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There's a forum specifically for this, you know. |
MineralMan |
Sep-12-11 11:57 AM |
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Thanks... I didn't realize this... |
Yooperman |
Sep-12-11 12:40 PM |
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You seem to be very interested in the thread ... |
defendandprotect |
Sep-14-11 04:28 AM |
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Two big lies: Bush HAD to stay away from DC... and the whole LIHOP/MIHOP foolishness. |
Bucky |
Sep-12-11 11:57 AM |
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Bush would have been in Cheney's way -- but loved the alleged THREAT to AF#1 ... |
defendandprotect |
Sep-14-11 04:30 AM |
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Now finally! A tastefull thread on 9-11. Charming. |
Safetykitten |
Sep-12-11 11:57 AM |
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It was 9:03 am... |
CherokeeDem |
Sep-12-11 12:00 PM |
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When they did not mention the holographic missle pods. |
AngryAmish |
Sep-12-11 12:00 PM |
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I didn't know. Not until I saw GWBs face in that classroom. |
Rex |
Sep-12-11 12:02 PM |
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as soon as they hit the tower(s). |
shanti |
Sep-12-11 12:04 PM |
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Yes.. that just about sums it up for me as well. |
Yooperman |
Sep-12-11 12:43 PM |
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Would you be kind enough to share with us your copy of the |
Flatulo |
Sep-12-11 02:58 PM |
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Come on... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand |
Yooperman |
Sep-13-11 02:23 PM |
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When the buildings fell |
marions ghost |
Sep-12-11 04:05 PM |
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The second it happened I knew the American public would be |
LibDemAlways |
Sep-12-11 08:55 PM |
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First plane |
maxpower |
Sep-12-11 10:32 PM |
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When those French guys published the book about no plane at the Pentagon |
jberryhill |
Sep-13-11 10:18 AM |
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+1 |
William Seger |
Sep-13-11 11:21 AM |
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Some folks just don't do subtle... |
jberryhill |
Sep-20-11 09:14 AM |
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+1 -- |
defendandprotect |
Sep-14-11 04:34 AM |
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I was in college, here in Brazil... |
ocpagu |
Sep-13-11 10:57 AM |
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Thanks for your input... |
Yooperman |
Sep-13-11 02:40 PM |
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Not too much later... |
nuffy |
Sep-13-11 11:17 AM |
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This is a fascinating thread |
William Seger |
Sep-13-11 11:27 AM |
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You see, it's not really difficult to jump to conclusions in this. |
ocpagu |
Sep-13-11 11:50 AM |
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I imagine Occam is in hysterics by now |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-13-11 12:22 PM |
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LOL, it's NEVER "difficult to jump to conclusions" |
William Seger |
Sep-13-11 02:08 PM |
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? |
ocpagu |
Sep-14-11 11:28 AM |
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Utter nonsense |
William Seger |
Sep-15-11 09:07 AM |
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+1000% -- true -- which is why they can't afford a power shift -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-14-11 04:38 AM |
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well stated |
fascisthunter |
Sep-15-11 03:21 PM |
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that's broad-brush, isn't it? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-13-11 11:52 AM |
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Yeah.. I guess we should just take what our government and media tell at face value and not question |
Yooperman |
Sep-13-11 03:00 PM |
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Sorry, that's bullshit |
William Seger |
Sep-13-11 04:08 PM |
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This proves one thing |
BobbyBoring |
Sep-13-11 04:39 PM |
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Really? So what's the reason? |
William Seger |
Sep-13-11 05:20 PM |
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You say at one time you "thought" that the JFK assassination was a conspriracy.... |
Yooperman |
Sep-15-11 01:23 AM |
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You can believe what you want to believe, too, for whatever reason |
William Seger |
Sep-15-11 11:28 AM |
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You have a problem with word definitions. This could explain |
RegieRocker |
Sep-18-11 10:24 AM |
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No I don't. Thanks to "conspiracy theorists" themselves... |
William Seger |
Sep-18-11 12:56 PM |
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Much problem with the truth? |
RegieRocker |
Sep-18-11 04:29 PM |
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Much problem with the English? |
zappaman |
Sep-18-11 04:39 PM |
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No that would be Webster. Your beef is with them. But hey you're |
RegieRocker |
Sep-18-11 04:49 PM |
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still waiting |
zappaman |
Sep-18-11 04:50 PM |
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How come "untruthers" are unable to give a plausible |
RegieRocker |
Sep-18-11 05:29 PM |
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still waitng |
zappaman |
Sep-18-11 06:22 PM |
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Why have you run away from the questions I have asked you in this |
RegieRocker |
Sep-19-11 08:00 AM |
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You simply reject the answers you've been given |
William Seger |
Sep-19-11 09:12 AM |
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Photo links for all that you state. |
RegieRocker |
Sep-19-11 10:24 AM |
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I gather that's no longer necessary... |
William Seger |
Sep-19-11 07:51 PM |
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You're the one who can't handle the truth about your unsubstantiated beliefs |
William Seger |
Sep-18-11 11:52 PM |
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"people that want to know more than what is fed to us by our media" |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-15-11 12:25 PM |
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May I make a suggestion re "ignored" --- ??? |
defendandprotect |
Sep-16-11 03:27 AM |
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When Bush and Cheney were not in front of the national press 24 hours later |
Old and In the Way |
Sep-13-11 01:08 PM |
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That pretty much sums it up. For me it was the look on Bush's face when |
teddy51 |
Sep-13-11 01:16 PM |
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Exactly... |
Yooperman |
Sep-13-11 02:52 PM |
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Re: instantly |
alwayssmile2 |
Sep-13-11 06:36 PM |
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I was very aware that NORAD was AWOL ... there were things bothering me about |
defendandprotect |
Sep-14-11 04:13 AM |
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Also have to add -- PACIFICA RADIO -- Al Martin -- etal -- |
defendandprotect |
Sep-14-11 04:37 AM |
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It took me awhile to come to the conclusion we were being lied to |
Papa |
Sep-14-11 10:06 PM |
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Yes it took me a while (a few weeks?) too-- |
Mist |
Sep-19-11 09:57 AM |
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You received bad info |
cpwm17 |
Sep-19-11 10:43 AM |
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As per my post, the newscasters on TV were mentioning the "no cores" meme for |
Mist |
Sep-19-11 11:50 AM |
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I'm very much aware of a smaller hole on the inside of ring C of the Pentagon |
cpwm17 |
Sep-19-11 12:40 PM |
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The damage to the front of the Pentagon never looked like a jet hit it. Small hole, lots of smoke, |
Mist |
Sep-19-11 01:03 PM |
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There's quite a bit of identifiable 757 wreckage in and out of the Pentagon |
cpwm17 |
Sep-19-11 01:46 PM |
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To me it looks like the wreckage of a very small plane. I think we'll have to |
Mist |
Sep-19-11 04:32 PM |
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your personal incredulity is not a basis for a reasonable explanation |
zappaman |
Sep-19-11 05:08 PM |
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Unless I missed it, a couple of things are missing from this thread. |
RC |
Sep-15-11 06:26 PM |
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the towers collapsed top to bottom |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-15-11 09:54 PM |
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Agree -- jet fuel burned off in first ten minutes as confirmed by FEMA ... |
defendandprotect |
Sep-16-11 03:25 AM |
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They all looked exatly like controlled demolitions |
Lorien |
Sep-19-11 01:24 PM |
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you've seen many skyscrapers collapse from the top down? |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-19-11 03:26 PM |
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When the truther movement started up. |
AtheistCrusader |
Sep-15-11 07:43 PM |
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Before anything was said by the government. |
RegieRocker |
Sep-18-11 10:04 AM |
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there's your problem |
zappaman |
Sep-18-11 10:51 AM |
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So did you. It was your predisposition and still is to believe |
RegieRocker |
Sep-18-11 11:14 AM |
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Obviously, you didn't even read my post. Try again. |
zappaman |
Sep-18-11 11:54 AM |
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You're like annoying back-seat drivers |
cpwm17 |
Sep-18-11 12:21 PM |
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None of you bad pennies that keep turning up on these posts |
RegieRocker |
Sep-18-11 03:39 PM |
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still waiting |
zappaman |
Sep-18-11 04:40 PM |
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Who am I? |
cpwm17 |
Sep-18-11 05:17 PM |
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You really don't have to continue proving who and what you are |
RegieRocker |
Sep-19-11 08:04 AM |
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Well that's a bizarre statement |
cpwm17 |
Sep-19-11 10:01 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-19-11 10:34 AM |
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"To me and others we know what and who you are." |
William Seger |
Sep-19-11 10:20 AM |
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OK pollyanna. |
RegieRocker |
Sep-19-11 10:35 AM |
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At last, a voice of sanity on this thread. I was beginning to wonder if.. |
David Sky |
Sep-25-11 08:09 AM |
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When people at work showed me a selectively edited video of Pentagon crash site |
cpwm17 |
Sep-18-11 10:16 AM |
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I had never stopped knowing we were being lied to by the national security state since the 1980s. |
JackRiddler |
Sep-21-11 12:16 PM |
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Once they all unanimously named Bin Laden with no proof, I knew they were being told what to say. |
Bonobo |
Sep-23-11 10:07 PM |
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Actually, it took me awhile... |
ljm2002 |
Sep-28-11 11:33 AM |
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congrats! |
zappaman |
Sep-28-11 12:37 PM |
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Your reply is content-free... |
ljm2002 |
Sep-28-11 01:32 PM |
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well, one could start where you started |
OnTheOtherHand |
Sep-28-11 03:12 PM |
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yours is content free |
zappaman |
Sep-28-11 03:40 PM |
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