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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:58 AM
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43. The concept that Osama has been dead since 2001 has been pushed by Pakistan...
The question you then have to ask is: How would Pakistan benefit by claiming Osama was dead?

1)Less internal problems.

If Pakistan knowingly lied about Osama being dead and everyone in the Waziristan area of Pakistan was aware that Osama was still alive, yet kept quiet about Pakistan's lie, both sides are happy.

Pakistan has less internal problems and the Waziristan people get a pass and do as they please. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waziristan

The failure: the West didn't believe them.

However, various people who never trusted george w. moron* didn't believe a thing he* said. So by faulty logic, myself included, always believed that moron* lied about the reason to go after Osama because many believed he was dead because moron* lies about everything.

2) If Osama had been dead in back in 2001, don't you think george w. moron* would have staged a massive show of false bravado by parading around with Osama's head on a pike?

No, because the war has never been about getting Osama in the first place. It's always been about securing the natural gas pipeline rights that runs though the nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline

You will see mentioned Unical involving the pipeline. This is important because Karzi was once on its board.

Again you have to ask who benefits from the never ending war.

3) if he had been dead all alone, then Obama's killing of Osama basically short circuits all of the right wings various money making schemes in Afghanistan.

Partly true. While killing Osama takes the prize out from under the right wing spin machine, it doesn't halt the war. Which now, is basically undefinable.

As long as the war continues, various mega-corporations make money.

-at this point, I can go into all sorts of various convenient theories as to why the war started, why it's perpetuated and what its final outcome may or may not be, but I don't wish to see this thread devolve any further and get sent to the dungeon. :)-
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  -I believed Osama was dead--had been for years. He had kidney problems, raccoon  May-09-11 08:54 AM   #0 
  - Your concern is noted. n/t  msanthrope   May-09-11 08:56 AM   #1 
  - Yeah...  SDuderstadt   May-09-11 08:57 AM   #2 
  - The thought had crossed my mind as well a few years ago.  rucky   May-09-11 08:59 AM   #3 
  - Why were you so sure that he had kidney problems?  Freddie Stubbs   May-09-11 09:00 AM   #4 
  - Some reporting now that his wife denies the chronic kidney issues  hlthe2b   May-09-11 09:04 AM   #7 
  - And it could also be that he had an illness at one point  pnwmom   May-09-11 10:58 AM   #42 
  - NO Kidney medication found at compound  emulatorloo   May-09-11 11:06 AM   #47 
  - So you prefer to believe all the psyops lies and rumours from Bush*  hlthe2b   May-09-11 09:00 AM   #5 
  - That's just the thing - who would benefit by exposing this as a hoax, if it were one?  RaleighNCDUer   May-09-11 09:31 AM   #11 
     - I'm sorry, but I don't follow your logic at all...  hlthe2b   May-09-11 09:47 AM   #15 
     - Osama Bin Laden will reincarnate  dewanand   May-09-11 10:00 AM   #20 
  - you're certain he had kidney problems?  onenote   May-09-11 09:02 AM   #6 
  - For those of you questioning whether he had kidney problems, lots of media did say he did...  joeybee12   May-09-11 09:07 AM   #8 
  - Yes. It wasn't unreasonable to believe he was receiving dialysis  RufusTFirefly   May-09-11 09:14 AM   #9 
  - Thanks...I'll have to watch that video this evening..  joeybee12   May-09-11 09:31 AM   #10 
  - Yep, we heard the dialysis story  PatSeg   May-09-11 09:51 AM   #17 
  - Of course he was already dead. Jessica Lynch killed him. n/t  RufusTFirefly   May-09-11 09:59 AM   #19 
     - I thought Pat Tillman killed him while he was rescuing St Jessica. (n/t)  Iggo   May-09-11 10:23 AM   #29 
     - I know! I know!  PatSeg   May-09-11 10:29 AM   #32 
  - Yep, it was a possibility...  pipi_k   May-09-11 10:23 AM   #30 
  - One of the stories I heard of late was that it wasn't dialysis. It was kidney stones.  backscatter712   May-09-11 11:07 AM   #49 
  - Lots of media participated in spreading the rumor.  pnwmom   May-09-11 11:01 AM   #44 
  - Ok. btw -- that hat is really you.  Buzz Clik   May-09-11 09:31 AM   #12 
  - Because the intel came through torture..and it never ever works  Peacetrain   May-09-11 09:32 AM   #13 
  - Actually it wasn't They lied about who the courier's were under  SharksBreath   May-09-11 10:30 AM   #33 
  - Al Qaeda has confirmed our version of events  BeyondGeography   May-09-11 09:39 AM   #14 
  - Who is Al Queda? Some website somewhere?  sabrina 1   May-09-11 10:39 AM   #36 
     - You just like to be mindlessly contrarian  BeyondGeography   May-09-11 03:43 PM   #54 
        - It's mindless to ask who are these people on remote websites  sabrina 1   May-09-11 03:58 PM   #55 
  - You are  alcibiades_mystery   May-09-11 09:49 AM   #16 
  - I thought he was dead/had kidney issues also. Was very surprised to find him alive, well, dead  uppityperson   May-09-11 09:52 AM   #18 
  - I have kidney problems too and don't receive dialysis...  LiberalLoner   May-09-11 10:05 AM   #21 
  - And some people have an illness that affects their kidneys and requires them  pnwmom   May-09-11 11:04 AM   #45 
  - TV report showed OBL's collection of medications: nothing for kidney disease.  JaneQPublic   May-09-11 10:10 AM   #22 
  - "kidney problems" = disinformation  H2O Man   May-09-11 10:11 AM   #23 
  - By whom? n/t  RufusTFirefly   May-09-11 10:14 AM   #24 
  - Peter Bergen,  H2O Man   May-09-11 10:44 AM   #37 
     - And his motivation? n/t  RufusTFirefly   May-09-11 10:56 AM   #41 
  - otoh kidney problems would have explained the "fat osama" video  BOG PERSON   May-09-11 10:19 AM   #26 
  - You need to start lining your room with tinfoil too.  FLPanhandle   May-09-11 10:16 AM   #25 
  - either way he's dead  lame54   May-09-11 10:20 AM   #27 
  - Wish I'd seen this article before I posted. Of course, just because an article appears on  raccoon   May-09-11 10:22 AM   #28 
  - Obama didn't lie to us about Jessica Lynch or Pat Tillman -- those were Bush's lies.  pnwmom   May-09-11 10:56 AM   #40 
     - Obama was more than willing to cover for Bush.  OnyxCollie   May-09-11 11:04 AM   #46 
        - Obama opposed our going into Iraq. He isn't Bush. n/t  pnwmom   May-09-11 11:07 AM   #48 
           - He was OK with bush ignoring FISA,  OnyxCollie   May-09-11 11:16 AM   #51 
              - The OP isn't about FISA, it's about OBL.  pnwmom   May-09-11 11:46 AM   #52 
                 - The OP is about questioning the story  OnyxCollie   May-09-11 02:30 PM   #53 
  - If you thought that then you don't know how his goup works.  SharksBreath   May-09-11 10:28 AM   #31 
  - The Iraq war was based on lies  OnyxCollie   May-09-11 10:31 AM   #34 
  - try the simplest explanation: shot and killed last week in Abbotobad. nt.  Warren Stupidity   May-09-11 10:34 AM   #35 
  - IBTMTTD...  backscatter712   May-09-11 10:47 AM   #38 
  - And how do you know he had kidney problems? From an unimpeachable source?  pnwmom   May-09-11 10:49 AM   #39 
  - The concept that Osama has been dead since 2001 has been pushed by Pakistan...  Javaman   May-09-11 10:58 AM   #43 
  - Must Read: "What was in medicine chests at bin Laden compound?"  emulatorloo   May-09-11 11:09 AM   #50 
 

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