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19. Since it's a lazy sunday morning and I'm bored..
A FBI informant lives with two hijackers in San Diego-- supposedly fails to learn of plot.
They were staying with him at the recommendation of Omar al-Bayoumi, who had helped Al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar settle in San Diego. It wasn't a matter of him actively pursuing them. Besides, I thought you were of the opinion that there were no hijackers in the first place?

Several hijackers go to flight schools in US, engage in dubious activities, FBI agents give warnings, they are completely shut down by higher ups, yet the the govt was completely caught by surprise.
Institutional problems, which have been acknowledged and (hopefully) corrected. Besides, I thought you were of the opinion that there were no hijackers in the first place?

One flight school attended by lead hijacker Atta had illegal drug and CIA connections, yet the the CIA was supposedly caught by surprise by 9/11.
Where's the connection? It's not like they were flaunting their plans, and I'm not exactly sure the terrorism and the drug divisions in the CIA are right next door. Besides, I thought you were of the opinion that there were no hijackers in the first place?

An incompetent, seemingly mentally challenged hijacker Hani Hanjour was able to obtain a commercial pilots license.
"seemingly mentally challenged", give me a break. The guy had language problems. Which he had corrected for, by taking intensive english lessons prior to attending flight school. Not to mention, he only passed with a "satisfactory" rating.

One hijacker was interviewed by the CIA before entering the US, yet the the CIA was supposedly caught by surprise by 9/11.
Who? This is the first time I've heard this claim.

Several govt officials stop flying commercial aircraft prior to 9/11, and some specifically were warned on 9/10 not to fly on 9/11, due to security concerns, yet the the govt was completely caught by surprise by 9/11.
Uh no. I know it's the John Ashcroft angle, and he was flying commercially for private travel.

US govt receives a large number of warnings from foreign countries of a major terrorist attack, plane hijackings, etc, and fails to enact policies to stop 9/11.
Richard Clarke went around the Bush White House in the summer of 2001 warning people there about an upcoming terror attack, but no one really paid attention to him enough to do anything to prevent the attacks.
The US recieves quite a number of warnings every day, but without specifics it is difficult to enact policies to counter them. What would you have them do? Lock down the country?

Dick Cheney was assigned to revise the country's anti-terror policies, but apparently didn't think it was important enough to do in the first nine months in office to prevent a terrorist attack.
Political failure. We all know he was busy cozing up to Big Oil anyway.

Bush was warned on August 6th, 2001 about bin Laden trying to strike the US mainland, but was apparently not particularly concerned enough to do anything to prevent the attacks.
Again, lack of specifics.

Hijackers did not act at all like devout Muslims prior to the attacks, yet supposedly they were on a holy "jihad" suicide mission.
The acts of the hijackers seems to depend on who you're asking. There's the alleged hard drinking at the Pink Pony in Florida the night before the attacks (which would be impressive, given that the hijackers at that time were in Virginia, New Jersey & Massachusetts). There's the story of Amanda Keller who alleged she was Atta's girlfriend, yet when her story was investigated, it was found lacking, and she subsequently admitted to have lied.
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  -Improbabilities and Coincidences Around 9/11 spooked911  Sep-11-10 01:46 PM   #0 
  - can we see the coincidences  zappaman   Sep-11-10 02:01 PM   #1 
  - What mini-nukes are you hallucinating about?  RC   Sep-11-10 02:05 PM   #2 
  - Look up Spooked's many posts on...  SDuderstadt   Sep-11-10 02:07 PM   #3 
  - Spooked believes mini-nukes brought down the towers  zappaman   Sep-11-10 02:08 PM   #4 
     - There were no nukes involved.  RC   Sep-11-10 02:12 PM   #5 
     - They were not rigged for demolition  zappaman   Sep-11-10 02:22 PM   #6 
     - Strawmania  whatchamacallit   Sep-11-10 03:59 PM   #8 
  - there is the coincidence that the exploding top of WTC1 looks like an H-bomb test,  spooked911   Sep-14-10 06:23 AM   #30 
     - don't like that one?  spooked911   Sep-17-10 06:13 AM   #123 
        - You just replied to yourself...  SDuderstadt   Sep-17-10 08:41 AM   #125 
        - Almost as if "Ground Zero" is some Cheney dark side joke .... ?  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 01:25 AM   #132 
  - You have to see this  deconstruct911   Sep-11-10 02:41 PM   #7 
  - thanks  spooked911   Sep-14-10 06:30 AM   #32 
  - Research project ...  immune   Sep-11-10 05:55 PM   #9 
  - My guess would be poor research skills on your...  SDuderstadt   Sep-11-10 06:12 PM   #10 
  - Weak?  immune   Sep-11-10 06:18 PM   #11 
  - Let me make sure I get this straight...  SDuderstadt   Sep-11-10 06:24 PM   #12 
     - I don't have any beliefs  immune   Sep-11-10 06:33 PM   #14 
  - " back to us."  IScreamSundays   Sep-11-10 06:27 PM   #13 
  - Duh....  SDuderstadt   Sep-11-10 09:29 PM   #15 
     - The rare exception does not exclude the rule.  immune   Sep-11-10 09:43 PM   #16 
        - Dude....  SDuderstadt   Sep-11-10 09:47 PM   #17 
        - Dude,  NYMdaveNYI   Sep-11-10 09:48 PM   #18 
        - Did you READ the reasons  terrafirma   Sep-12-10 10:40 PM   #20 
           - Yes, I have read the reasons someone may not show up on  immune   Sep-13-10 12:10 PM   #21 
              - If the family didn't opt for lump-sum benefits...  SDuderstadt   Sep-13-10 12:37 PM   #22 
                 - And this was true of all of them?  immune   Sep-13-10 12:51 PM   #23 
                 - From an extensive article on lump sum benefits by CNN  immune   Sep-13-10 01:13 PM   #24 
                    - Jesus...  SDuderstadt   Sep-13-10 01:33 PM   #25 
                       - I don't think a government settlement has anything to do  immune   Sep-13-10 01:43 PM   #27 
                          - Nearly every victim of the plane crashes were...  SDuderstadt   Sep-13-10 01:51 PM   #28 
                             - Yeah, I'm from the government and I'm here to identify  immune   Sep-13-10 02:35 PM   #29 
  - Since it's a lazy sunday morning and I'm bored..  KDLarsen   Sep-12-10 01:34 AM   #19 
  - The alleged hijackers  BeFree   Sep-13-10 01:35 PM   #26 
  - You need to keep going on the list.  spooked911   Sep-14-10 06:32 AM   #33 
  - Here's an amazing coincidence I forgot to add  spooked911   Sep-14-10 06:24 AM   #31 
  - That is indeed amazing  terrafirma   Sep-14-10 11:33 PM   #34 
  - More of your bullshit...  SDuderstadt   Sep-14-10 11:36 PM   #35 
  - Because...  terrafirma   Sep-14-10 11:45 PM   #36 
     - Despite the fact that the renovations began as early as....  SDuderstadt   Sep-14-10 11:48 PM   #37 
     - Look...  terrafirma   Sep-14-10 11:53 PM   #38 
     - I wonder what year it's...  SDuderstadt   Sep-14-10 11:55 PM   #39 
     - so what?  spooked911   Sep-17-10 06:12 AM   #122 
        - Jesus, dude...  SDuderstadt   Sep-17-10 08:39 AM   #124 
        - No  spooked911   Sep-17-10 11:05 AM   #127 
           - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Sep-17-10 11:14 AM   #128 
        - "it's clear they had 9/11 planned for a long time."  zappaman   Sep-17-10 10:06 AM   #126 
     - you are mistaken  zappaman   Sep-15-10 01:02 AM   #40 
  - Renovation seemed to be all the rage back then  immune   Sep-15-10 10:34 AM   #41 
     - Center of the complex?  terrafirma   Sep-15-10 12:44 PM   #42 
     - What?  immune   Sep-15-10 01:20 PM   #43 
        - Ooooooh....  terrafirma   Sep-15-10 01:25 PM   #44 
           - Your expertise on the best /worst possible targets within  immune   Sep-15-10 01:39 PM   #45 
              - So murdering hundreds in one shot  terrafirma   Sep-15-10 01:54 PM   #46 
              - Have you ever attempted  immune   Sep-15-10 02:36 PM   #47 
                 - Actually, I have...  terrafirma   Sep-15-10 02:49 PM   #48 
                    - Sheesh,  immune   Sep-15-10 02:53 PM   #49 
                       - I think one can make a solid argument that Bin Laden benefitted. n/t  AZCat   Sep-15-10 08:51 PM   #50 
                          - Okay, Go for it.  immune   Sep-15-10 08:55 PM   #51 
                          - It should be obvious.  AZCat   Sep-15-10 09:04 PM   #52 
                             - Just got bit by the software .. it stole my post  immune   Sep-15-10 09:18 PM   #53 
                                - That's a strange response.  AZCat   Sep-15-10 09:24 PM   #54 
                                   - They don't make any sense to me.  immune   Sep-15-10 09:35 PM   #55 
                                      - They make sense to me.  AZCat   Sep-15-10 09:40 PM   #56 
                                      - Keywords:  SDuderstadt   Sep-15-10 09:42 PM   #58 
                                      - How soon after the attacks were those planes  immune   Sep-15-10 09:46 PM   #60 
                                         - It was after the lifting of the air travel ban.  AZCat   Sep-15-10 09:56 PM   #62 
                                         - No, it was during the frenzy of the travel ban.  immune   Sep-15-10 10:01 PM   #64 
                                         - No, it wasn't.  AZCat   Sep-15-10 10:06 PM   #65 
                                         - Wikipedia can be altered by anybody  immune   Sep-15-10 10:20 PM   #67 
                                         - Yes, I know.  AZCat   Sep-15-10 10:28 PM   #68 
                                         - "I'm not sure what you mean about "leading horses to water". Please explain."  immune   Sep-16-10 09:23 AM   #75 
                                         - Oh, I know what the phrase means.  AZCat   Sep-16-10 10:02 PM   #119 
                                         - You need to research what...  SDuderstadt   Sep-15-10 10:55 PM   #70 
                                         - True -- it was while everything else was grounded ... EVERYTHING else...  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 01:41 AM   #136 
                                      - Yeah...  SDuderstadt   Sep-15-10 09:41 PM   #57 
                                         - I would have preferred it we'd at least made an attempt.  AZCat   Sep-15-10 09:42 PM   #59 
                                         - The Taliban has never lied to me  immune   Sep-15-10 09:47 PM   #61 
                                            - They might not have done that, but they were (are) not very nice people.  AZCat   Sep-15-10 10:01 PM   #63 
                                            - So blow those bastards all the way back into the stone age.  immune   Sep-15-10 10:10 PM   #66 
                                            - Misplaced --  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 02:02 PM   #143 
                                            - Keep in mind, US/CIA created the Taliban/Al Qaeda and financed it right up to 9/11....  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 02:04 PM   #144 
                          - Of course, Bin Laden would have wanted 10-year US wars on Afghanistan and Iraq!!!  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 01:38 AM   #135 
              - You don't know that the pilot hit his target exactly.  greyl   Sep-15-10 10:41 PM   #69 
              - what cameras do you speak of  deconstruct911   Sep-16-10 12:15 AM   #71 
              - You're acting as if there were no cameras.  greyl   Sep-16-10 12:24 AM   #73 
              - I'm acting  deconstruct911   Sep-16-10 09:37 AM   #78 
                 - Do you know what fps rate...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 09:42 AM   #80 
                    - How many time are you going to bring that up  deconstruct911   Sep-16-10 10:17 AM   #87 
                       - And there is a perfectly valid explanation of...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 10:26 AM   #89 
              - Pentagon couldn't account for $2.3 TRILLION ... and coincidentally all those records lost --!!!  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 01:45 AM   #137 
              - Russ Wittenberg  deconstruct911   Sep-16-10 12:19 AM   #72 
                 - Not interested. nt  greyl   Sep-16-10 12:26 AM   #74 
                    - And there you go folks  immune   Sep-16-10 09:26 AM   #76 
                       - Excuse me...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 09:32 AM   #77 
                       - It doesn't  deconstruct911   Sep-16-10 09:38 AM   #79 
                       - Jesus...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 09:49 AM   #81 
                          - NIST's reports.  immune   Sep-16-10 10:01 AM   #84 
                             - And you are a science-denier...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 10:05 AM   #85 
                                - Not all of them. My eyes glazed over after so much  immune   Sep-16-10 10:14 AM   #86 
                                   - How much "precision" does it take...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 10:23 AM   #88 
                                      - Have you ever flown a plane?  immune   Sep-16-10 10:31 AM   #90 
                                         - No, I haven't and...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 10:43 AM   #91 
                                         - You're right that was poor wording. I was on my way out the door ...  immune   Sep-16-10 11:42 AM   #92 
                                         - You keep revealing your ignorance of that day...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 12:45 PM   #96 
                                         - Here are some facts for you  immune   Sep-16-10 01:20 PM   #103 
                                         - More of your CT bullshit...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 01:23 PM   #105 
                                         - Wow, you're a speed reader.  immune   Sep-16-10 01:27 PM   #107 
                                         - I've read your "source" before...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 01:34 PM   #110 
                       - It is a fact  immune   Sep-16-10 09:51 AM   #82 
                          - Yet "truthers" allow people like David Ray Griffin to...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 09:57 AM   #83 
                             - Like I keep tellin' ya ...  immune   Sep-16-10 11:52 AM   #93 
                                - "If they had told you little green men were flying those planes you'd genuflect."  zappaman   Sep-16-10 12:06 PM   #94 
                                - Ah, but make them little brown men and .... wallah  immune   Sep-16-10 12:15 PM   #95 
                                   - No...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 12:50 PM   #98 
                                   - Look it up.  immune   Sep-16-10 12:54 PM   #99 
                                   - that makes no sense  zappaman   Sep-16-10 01:28 PM   #108 
                                      - What have I mis-spelled?  immune   Sep-16-10 02:09 PM   #117 
                                         - And, of course, anything is possible when you...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 02:15 PM   #118 
                                - More talking points from you...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 12:47 PM   #97 
                                - Prove it prove it prove it.  immune   Sep-16-10 12:58 PM   #100 
                                   - No, I want to hear your specific criticism...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 01:04 PM   #101 
                                      - I am not your teacher.  immune   Sep-16-10 01:13 PM   #102 
                                         - More of your dodges...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 01:21 PM   #104 
                                         - I just finished posting some facts for you.  immune   Sep-16-10 01:23 PM   #106 
                                         - What I make of the changing timelines is...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 01:30 PM   #109 
                                         - Oh yeah, better incompetent  immune   Sep-16-10 01:39 PM   #111 
                                         - Makes more sense than your claim it was deliberate...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 01:43 PM   #112 
                                         - Seems to me that a "coverup" of the stand down  immune   Sep-16-10 01:49 PM   #113 
                                         - There isn't a "wheels up" anomaly...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 01:54 PM   #114 
                                         - more prove it prove it prove it talking points.  immune   Sep-16-10 02:00 PM   #115 
                                         - Asking you for proof of your goofy claims...  SDuderstadt   Sep-16-10 02:05 PM   #116 
                                - Hmmm... One would think you would be more careful...  AZCat   Sep-16-10 10:21 PM   #120 
                                   - NIST is a PRIVATE company working under contract for government ....  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 01:50 AM   #138 
                                      - NIST is an agency of the U.S. Department of Commerce...  SDuderstadt   Sep-20-10 02:09 AM   #139 
                                         - That should read...  SDuderstadt   Sep-20-10 08:40 AM   #140 
                       - I'm not interested in clicking unexplained YouTube links.  greyl   Sep-16-10 11:21 PM   #121 
              - PLUS ... NO WARNING/ALERT went off in the Pentagon ....!!! Basis of a lawsuit...!!  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 01:34 AM   #134 
     - It was STEEL-reinforced concrete ....and, btw, one of the victim's father got the Pentagon contract  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 01:32 AM   #133 
  - added Northwoods to the top of the blog post  spooked911   Sep-19-10 11:13 AM   #129 
  - Great reminder . . . and wonder how many Americans still aren't aware of Operation Northwoods...?  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 01:30 PM   #142 
  - US Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) questioned 9-11 and she got the boot twice.  Octafish   Sep-19-10 09:28 PM   #130 
  - McKinney also went after Rumsfeld re $2.3 TRILLION Pentagon can't account for ...!!  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 01:25 PM   #141 
  - So much is wrong with the OCT that it's difficult to even keep track of it all--!!  defendandprotect   Sep-20-10 01:18 AM   #131 

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