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53. Who said it was 75% at the time the WCR was released? Not me.
Edited on Sun Dec-06-09 12:30 AM by stopbush
It wasn't 75%, but a majority of Americans believed in a conspiracy from the get go:

April 11, 2001
Most Americans Believe Oswald Conspired With Others to Kill JFK
Support for conspiracy theory increased sharply in the 1970's and has been high ever since
by Darren K. Carlson

PRINCETON, NJ The vast majority of Americans believe the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy, one of the most infamous events in American history, was a conspiracy. A Gallup poll from March of this year (2001) shows that over 8 in 10 Americans (81%) believe that other people were involved in a conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy. Only 13% of the public believes that just one man (Lee Harvey Oswald) acted alone. These recent results match the high point of those believing in a conspiracy, a percentage that has increased since the 1960s.

Gallup first asked about a possible conspiracy shortly after the assassination in November of 1963, and at that time, 52% of the public thought others were involved in the assassination. A similar percentage (50%) believed in a conspiracy three years later in December 1966. When Gallup revisited the subject in 1976, the percentage believing others were involved had increased considerably. At that time, 81% thought others were involved in the killing of President Kennedy. It is likely that this large increase in belief in a conspiracy was related to the highly publicized findings of the 1976 HSCA (House Select Committee on Assassinations), which concluded that Kennedy was probably killed as a result of a conspiracy. The percentage believing in a conspiracy decreased slightly, by 7 percent, in 1983 (74%). Support of the conspiracy theory remained high in 1992 (77%), and 1993 (75%), following the release of the popular Oliver Stone film "JFK" in 1991, which presented a variety of assassination conspiracy theories.

Interestingly, those with more formal education tend to have the lowest belief in a possible conspiracy in the JFK assassination. Among those with a post-graduate education, 71% believe others were involved in the assassination, compared with 78% among those with some college education and 84% among those with a H.S. education or less.

I would just mention - because with the CT crowd, you have to mention what to normal people would be obvious - that I did not say that 75% of Americans polled at the time the WCR was first released believed that the JFK assassination involved a conspiracy. I used a ballpark number - 75% - that reflects the data as it stands on average today. It is you, bertman, who is engaged in a lame attempt to frame what I wrote (another sadly typical CT ploy that is as tiresome as it is expected). Yet even with your poor debating skills and lack of knowledge on the data, the truth is that the majority of Americans have believed it was a conspiracy from the get go (52%). Ergo, averring today that there was a conspiracy behind the JFK killing is hardly being brave. It is merely an act of repeating the received wisdom of the general populace. Which is to say, it displays just as ignorant a knowledge of historic fact as we can expect from the baseline doofus population of these United States, not to mention a pandering to the kind of popular fiction that substitutes for insight in this country.

And, as Gallup points out, it's the people with higher educations who are less likely to buy the conspiracy crapola in the JFK killing. Whaddaya make of that?
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  -It pisses me off that a HUGE pool of highly knowledgable people Mind_your_head  Dec-05-09 06:21 PM   #0 
  - I agree 100%  Blue_In_AK   Dec-05-09 06:23 PM   #1 
  - +1  movonne   Dec-05-09 06:37 PM   #8 
     - +2  Vincardog   Dec-05-09 09:35 PM   #42 
  - Wait. Ollie North murdered JFK on 9/11?  Drunken Irishman   Dec-05-09 06:23 PM   #2 
  - Good one !  virgogal   Dec-05-09 06:35 PM   #5 
  - No, BAD ONE.....if you won't address the TRUTH!  Mind_your_head   Dec-05-09 06:37 PM   #9 
     - Oh I'm just havin' fun! :)  Drunken Irishman   Dec-05-09 07:36 PM   #30 
  - You're being silly :-P  Mind_your_head   Dec-05-09 06:35 PM   #6 
  - I've only mentioned building 7 a few times through the years but it is amazing to me to find  laughingliberal   Dec-05-09 06:53 PM   #20 
  - That happened to me the other day. The person who watches news didn't  snagglepuss   Dec-05-09 07:01 PM   #21 
  - Oh....many people (who have 'expertise' of some one sort or another) "know" of it  Mind_your_head   Dec-05-09 07:10 PM   #23 
  - Read the Warren Report and you'll KNOW who killed JFK.eom  stopbush   Dec-05-09 07:28 PM   #26 
  - I believe it was commentary on the O.P.  Hoopla Phil   Dec-05-09 07:28 PM   #27 
  - Some people say  lame54   Dec-05-09 06:45 PM   #15 
  - Other people say it too.  Hoopla Phil   Dec-05-09 07:27 PM   #25 
  - The government tells us that the answers  Angry Dragon   Dec-05-09 06:25 PM   #3 
  - Oh, that! Old news. Time to move on.  RufusTFirefly   Dec-05-09 06:30 PM   #4 
  - The festering underbelly.  ipaint   Dec-05-09 06:39 PM   #10 
  - IBTD.  smalll   Dec-05-09 06:36 PM   #7 
  - If the 'dungeon' is where my post is placed.......  Mind_your_head   Dec-05-09 06:40 PM   #11 
  - First things first. Who's buried in Grant's Tomb?  timeforpeace   Dec-05-09 06:44 PM   #12 
  - Too bad you can't get this huge group of intelligent people to listen to you  stray cat   Dec-05-09 06:44 PM   #13 
  - intelligent people don't need to listen to *me*.....they can (AND DO)  Mind_your_head   Dec-05-09 06:51 PM   #18 
  - Iran/Contra on steroids  G_j   Dec-05-09 06:45 PM   #14 
  - Symptoms of the class war. The peons are to stoopid to deal with the TRUTH. Feed them bullshit. nt  rhett o rick   Dec-05-09 06:50 PM   #16 
  - 75% of Americans believe JFK was killed as the result of a conspiracy.  stopbush   Dec-05-09 07:36 PM   #31 
     - First of all, I didnt say they (we) are stoopid. I say that the ruling class thinks we are stoopid.  rhett o rick   Dec-05-09 10:59 PM   #47 
     - The WCR is hardly BS. If you'd actually read the thing, you'd know why  stopbush   Dec-05-09 11:51 PM   #54 
        - Oswald's motive? n/t  noise   Dec-06-09 12:06 AM   #55 
        - Here ya go:  stopbush   Dec-06-09 12:09 AM   #56 
        - Motive doesn't matter. Facts matter.  Bolo Boffin   Dec-06-09 02:59 PM   #63 
           - Exactly, but the WCR did puzzle over the motive.  stopbush   Dec-06-09 03:37 PM   #67 
              - Right. But noise didn't raise the question of motive to puzzle over why Oswald did it.  Bolo Boffin   Dec-06-09 06:39 PM   #74 
        - "then you should do some homework". Nice talk. nt  rhett o rick   Dec-06-09 09:22 AM   #62 
           - Another whiney CTist.  stopbush   Dec-06-09 03:35 PM   #66 
     - 75% of Americans are NOT PEONS........  Mind_your_head   Dec-07-09 08:46 PM   #76 
        - You think the current population of the U.S. is 350 million?  Make7   Dec-07-09 09:55 PM   #77 
  - We need a 4X4 to navigate the rug.  EFerrari   Dec-05-09 06:50 PM   #17 
  - ???  Mind_your_head   Dec-05-09 06:52 PM   #19 
     - All that sweeping under the rug  EFerrari   Dec-05-09 07:02 PM   #22 
        - Nah. Finding/getting at the truth isn't so difficult. It's not fighting "the other" like a .  Mind_your_head   Dec-05-09 07:18 PM   #24 
  - codswallop. just codswallop  cali   Dec-05-09 07:32 PM   #28 
  - That's what Alexander Cockburn of CounterPunch said.  Octafish   Dec-05-09 08:42 PM   #40 
  - Paranoid. You have so much in common with the birthers that it's laughable.  stopbush   Dec-05-09 07:33 PM   #29 
  - .  Mind_your_head   Dec-05-09 07:42 PM   #32 
  - You said.....  Mind_your_head   Dec-05-09 07:56 PM   #33 
  - Pretty lame commenting on a post after you've posted a boring emoticon  stopbush   Dec-06-09 12:22 AM   #59 
     - The point of course....  jberryhill   Dec-06-09 03:17 PM   #64 
  - Plenty of real crimes to go around.  ipaint   Dec-05-09 08:10 PM   #34 
  - You know, if you understand how those two skyscrapers came to  truedelphi   Dec-05-09 08:20 PM   #35 
  - Such BS. Who says the WTC fell "at free fall speeds?" You? Some other paranoid?  stopbush   Dec-06-09 05:55 PM   #72 
  - ---  G_j   Dec-05-09 08:22 PM   #36 
  - You forgot the sarcasm thingy?  Mind_your_head   Dec-05-09 08:26 PM   #37 
  - It doesn't take a god to determine the facts behind the JFK killing or the 9/11 attacks.  stopbush   Dec-06-09 06:03 PM   #73 
  - Label, much?  Octafish   Dec-05-09 08:34 PM   #38 
  - so you think steel framed buildings fall in on themselves all the time?  KakistocracyHater   Dec-05-09 09:56 PM   #44 
  - Do you think all steel-framed buildings are 110 stories tall?  stopbush   Dec-06-09 12:38 AM   #60 
  - The OP is correct. You are obfuscating, comparing apples and oranges. Why?  omega minimo   Dec-05-09 11:05 PM   #50 
  - There is a tendency of some researchers/journalists  noise   Dec-06-09 12:18 AM   #58 
  - Rec. It takes a brave person who is unafraid of having his career and reputation ruined  bertman   Dec-05-09 08:39 PM   #39 
  - Yes, it's SO brave to stand up and say what 75% of Americans believe  stopbush   Dec-05-09 09:11 PM   #41 
  - I knew I could count on you to come up with a rebuttal, stopbush. Tell me, did 75% of  bertman   Dec-05-09 09:45 PM   #43 
     - + Infinity  Octafish   Dec-05-09 11:16 PM   #51 
     - Who said it was 75% at the time the WCR was released? Not me.  stopbush   Dec-05-09 11:42 PM   #53 
  - Ted Kennedy - America's Leading Coward  jberryhill   Dec-06-09 03:18 PM   #65 
     - Wow. Calling Teddy a coward because he believed the overwhelming evidence  stopbush   Dec-06-09 03:41 PM   #68 
        - Your sarcasm meter is broken  jberryhill   Dec-06-09 03:51 PM   #69 
           - Sorry, my sarcasm meter is broken of late at DU.  stopbush   Dec-06-09 05:46 PM   #70 
              - It's inevitable  jberryhill   Dec-06-09 05:54 PM   #71 
  - How about the century of genocide that built the USA, and the concentration camps  L. Coyote   Dec-05-09 10:04 PM   #45 
  - What do you expect when people are over on GD-P cheerleading Obama for following in *'s footsteps?  earth mom   Dec-05-09 10:07 PM   #46 
  - Does this post come with subtitles? I have no idea what the OP's point is here.  ddeclue   Dec-05-09 11:01 PM   #48 
  - Where?  omega minimo   Dec-05-09 11:01 PM   #49 
  - time keeps moving forward, no matter what...  dysfunctional press   Dec-05-09 11:26 PM   #52 
  - Damn that time continuum and its unidirectional nature!  ddeclue   Dec-06-09 12:11 AM   #57 
  - unrec: if this was a joke it wasn't funny.  D23MIURG23   Dec-06-09 08:54 AM   #61 
  - Agree --  defendandprotect   Dec-06-09 09:47 PM   #75 

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