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Wed Dec-02-09 01:40 PM
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| 116. Thanks, but your tone seems to imply that I'm trying to defend Wilkerson's rank |
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I'll lump him among these names you list (although I'm sure few people were really surprised to hear Ventura say something like that...I can remember him sashaying around a WWF ring in the '80s wearing a feather boa and "Plato's Retreat" T-shirt).
I'd also include Henry Gonzalez from Texas who was one of the few critics/elected officials who was actually in the motorcade. He was pretty adamant about his views, if I remember correctly. It's been a long time since I saw it, but in the extra features to "JFK", Stone included an interview with journalist Robert MacNeal who, from what I remember, gave the impression that he thought shots came from the grassy knoll (MacNeal was also in the motorcade but I'm really reluctant to cite this because I'm relying on admittedly faulty memory here...it's been about six or seven years since I saw this clip). I heard about Haldeman. Have no idea about Downing and Schweicker but will check out what they said.
But I don't really care if they "outrank" Wilkerson, whatever that means. I'm not saying "OMG!!!1!1! Wilkerson is the only one to dare speak the TRUTH about Kennedy's assassination!11!!" As your very short list here suggests, I'm just saying that it is not common or frequent that you hear someone of any "position" in the military/political circles that these people you list and Wilkerson inhabit say things of this nature in the media. Granted, KPFA is not part of the national mainstream media, which is why I wrote this.
Again, I don't know a whole lot about Wilkerson (in fact, beyond what the host of Letters to Washington said by way of introduction, I had to google him). I just thought it was interesting that someone with his background went off on the track that he went. As I've also already said, Mitch Jesserich (host of Letters to Washington) also seemed taken aback by what he said.
Cynical PR ploy on Wilkerson's part to throw red conspiracy meat to lefties? I don't know. That never occured to me when I first heard what he said because I had no idea he was a talking head or whatever.
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| -Ret. Col. Lawrence Wilkerson discusses possibility of a conspiracy to kill JFK |
deutsey |
Nov-30-09 07:09 PM |
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Thanks |
WeDidIt |
Nov-30-09 07:12 PM |
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The Warren Commission was hogwash. |
Octafish |
Nov-30-09 07:28 PM |
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Hi, Octafish |
deutsey |
Nov-30-09 07:31 PM |
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Hi, Dwayne! |
Octafish |
Nov-30-09 07:44 PM |
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i'll drink to that! |
Soylent Brice |
Dec-01-09 12:06 PM |
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Anybody who believes the JFK conspiracy shit is a nutball |
WeDidIt |
Nov-30-09 07:32 PM |
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You've said that before. |
Octafish |
Nov-30-09 07:42 PM |
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End of discussion? So--you're out of here? |
librechik |
Dec-01-09 12:20 PM |
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What about people like me that know the identity of real "government protected" operatives that have |
bobthedrummer |
Dec-01-09 02:28 PM |
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Why aren't you out there exposing these people who you say you know |
stopbush |
Dec-01-09 02:31 PM |
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Troll land. |
peacetalksforall |
Dec-01-09 08:44 PM |
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For starters, Senator Feingold's office as well as Reps. Kind and Kagen's are aware of the facts in |
bobthedrummer |
Dec-02-09 02:19 PM |
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Yes, anyone who believes in one unpopular version of events is exactly like |
Time for change |
Dec-01-09 03:47 PM |
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Honestly TFC, is it any wonder why we can't make headway? ... |
rtassi |
Dec-01-09 05:25 PM |
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I just don't know |
Time for change |
Dec-01-09 09:45 PM |
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Or how about all that is still sealed & may never be released. |
mother earth |
Dec-01-09 06:40 PM |
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What, exactly, is sealed? Care to enlighten us? |
stopbush |
Dec-01-09 08:47 PM |
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What a joke. There is a deathbed confession by one of the |
mother earth |
Dec-02-09 06:44 PM |
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The deathbed "confession" you refer to was a cassette tape made by |
stopbush |
Dec-03-09 10:46 AM |
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E. Howard Hunt was defending Nixon up until the very end.... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-01-11 01:35 AM |
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Here's some interesting links to get you started. 3 more CT's. |
mother earth |
Dec-02-09 07:17 PM |
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You're grasping at the usual CT straws here, my friend. |
stopbush |
Dec-03-09 12:52 AM |
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No, you are the one grasping at straws, but no amount of |
mother earth |
Dec-03-09 07:07 PM |
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Care to explain why you only provided half of that Nixon quote? |
stopbush |
Dec-04-09 12:35 AM |
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And I'm guessing that you're a birther, since you don't seem to believe |
stopbush |
Dec-04-09 02:14 PM |
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The CIA Ioanides files, for one thing... even Posner joined the lawsuit to release those. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-03-11 11:11 PM |
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If you really believe that then you are the netball. |
zeemike |
Dec-01-09 04:12 PM |
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Troll land. |
peacetalksforall |
Dec-01-09 08:42 PM |
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Anyone who believes that knows little about the facts . . . |
defendandprotect |
Dec-01-09 11:45 PM |
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And it doesn't make you look any smarter the second time around . . . |
defendandprotect |
Dec-02-09 12:11 AM |
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Because, after all, you have the one and only version of the Truth, yes? |
mnhtnbb |
Dec-02-09 06:49 PM |
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Octafish! |
David Zephyr |
Dec-01-09 05:02 PM |
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Chief Justice Warren was coerced into chairing this commission... |
MinM |
Dec-01-09 08:00 PM |
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Thanks Min . . . good to see someone tracking the JFK coup here . . . |
defendandprotect |
Dec-02-09 12:27 AM |
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Col. Lawrence Wilkerson is one of the more astute political commentators out there. |
MinM |
Nov-30-11 03:31 PM |
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Oh, the irony... |
Ghost in the Machine |
Nov-30-09 07:31 PM |
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Birthers, Truthers, JFK Conspiracy Theorists, New World Order nuts, People who believe in UFOs |
WeDidIt |
Nov-30-09 07:33 PM |
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Galileo was a nutball, once. |
SutaUvaca |
Nov-30-09 07:40 PM |
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No, he wasn't |
WeDidIt |
Dec-01-09 05:35 AM |
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John Kerry was a nutball then. |
jbnow |
Dec-04-09 12:43 AM |
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You're a real piece of work... |
Ghost in the Machine |
Nov-30-09 07:47 PM |
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The religious bulshit is my primary reason for having never voted for a Republican in my life. |
WeDidIt |
Dec-01-09 05:33 AM |
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Not that it will matter to you, WeDidIt, because you probably will not read them, but there |
bertman |
Dec-01-09 05:30 PM |
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No need to bother with any of these lousy books, We DidIt. |
stopbush |
Dec-01-09 08:56 PM |
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If you're going to give an honest rebuttal of the books that's one thing, stopbush. |
bertman |
Dec-01-09 10:44 PM |
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Funny how you can't seem to give an honest rebuttal to my analysis. |
stopbush |
Dec-01-09 11:30 PM |
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You say "Funny how you can't seem to give an honest rebuttal to my analysis." |
bertman |
Dec-02-09 09:14 PM |
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Would you care to provide one or two specific examples to back up your statement that |
stopbush |
Dec-02-09 11:59 PM |
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Methinks the nutball here has been exposed. |
chimpymustgo |
Dec-01-09 12:11 PM |
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The guy isn't cognizant of the timeline for the HSCA, imagining that |
stopbush |
Dec-01-09 02:19 PM |
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Rep. Richardson Preyer of the HSCA was no nutball |
unc70 |
Dec-01-09 04:52 PM |
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You can read a list of Stone's JFK inaccuracies here: |
stopbush |
Dec-01-09 09:02 PM |
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I would describe them as "alleged" and somewhat out of date |
unc70 |
Dec-02-09 02:38 PM |
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The Stone-dismantling site I provided was provided because it is easily reached on the web. |
stopbush |
Dec-02-09 02:54 PM |
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Wilkerson made a mistake. You, OTOH, spout inanities. |
Octafish |
Dec-01-09 05:24 PM |
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And then there are the nutballs who believe only what they |
mother earth |
Dec-01-09 06:36 PM |
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What records have not been released in the JFK killing? |
stopbush |
Dec-01-09 09:04 PM |
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For starters, records regarding CIA man George E Joannides hiding phony Oswald in Mexico City. |
Octafish |
Dec-03-09 04:20 PM |
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Records detailing the CIA-Mafia relationship in regards to assassination |
Octafish |
Dec-03-09 05:19 PM |
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Personally: I'd like to know who railroaded Abraham Bolden? |
Octafish |
Dec-03-09 05:53 PM |
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It's important to know why did Secret Service allow JFK to ride in an open car after Miami, Chicago? |
Octafish |
Dec-03-09 07:21 PM |
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Literally -- a ton of documents from the Executive Branch, including FBI and CIA files. |
Octafish |
Dec-08-09 08:29 AM |
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I'll take Wilkerson's word over yours, too... |
SpiralHawk |
Dec-01-09 05:52 AM |
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Just as you took his word when he backed Colin Powell's mendacious presentation |
stopbush |
Dec-02-09 11:02 AM |
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Lt. Col. Wilkerson broke open the Blackwater - Predator drone assassination program. |
Octafish |
Dec-03-09 10:10 PM |
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blinders. it's easy to dismiss when you are uninformed. |
mod mom |
Dec-01-09 03:31 PM |
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Enter Stage Left - On Cue |
AlwaysQuestion |
Dec-01-11 12:11 PM |
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I don't know that he's a "nutball" but the interview veers way off track here |
deutsey |
Nov-30-09 07:17 PM |
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Recommended. |
H2O Man |
Nov-30-09 07:24 PM |
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Naval Intelligence. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-30-09 07:33 PM |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Nov-30-09 07:37 PM |
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More and more brave public figures are stating what many have long known... |
Octafish |
Nov-30-09 07:39 PM |
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I didn't think many mainstream news outlets would cover this. |
deutsey |
Nov-30-09 07:43 PM |
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Obama: Profile in Courage, or Cave-In? |
Octafish |
Nov-30-09 07:58 PM |
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Hi, Octafish, you are so right! |
mother earth |
Dec-01-09 06:39 PM |
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Please spare us from the truth. We cant handle the truth. nt |
rhett o rick |
Nov-30-09 07:39 PM |
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Yep... LIHOP... |
WillyT |
Nov-30-09 08:03 PM |
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It's been a long time since I've seen you here. |
stevedeshazer |
Nov-30-09 08:04 PM |
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Oh, I've been lurking about. |
deutsey |
Nov-30-09 09:01 PM |
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Kick |
deutsey |
Dec-01-09 05:23 AM |
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kickee. |
nashville_brook |
Dec-01-09 06:30 AM |
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Kpfa is the bright side of my exile in CA. Thanks for posting! K & R nt |
glitch |
Dec-01-09 11:08 AM |
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''exile'' in CA? You came from a better place? |
yurbud |
Dec-01-09 11:37 AM |
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My heart belongs to the Pacific Northwest. :) nt |
glitch |
Dec-01-09 01:41 PM |
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I listen online from the East Coast. |
deutsey |
Dec-01-09 12:21 PM |
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It's beautiful right now, but just wait until summer - HOT! |
glitch |
Dec-01-09 01:44 PM |
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White House Intruders |
BeFree |
Dec-01-09 11:28 AM |
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Bravo Col. Wilkerson! |
Vidar |
Dec-01-09 11:50 AM |
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I always heard it was the mafia |
marlakay |
Dec-01-09 12:25 PM |
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From what I've read, the mafia and intelligence elements have worked together |
deutsey |
Dec-01-09 12:35 PM |
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It seems the mafia were very much a part of it. They felt he'd double-crossed them, |
Joe Chi Minh |
Dec-01-09 05:42 PM |
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K&R ...funny how such topics bring about a Hategasm w/certain personality types |
Echo In Light |
Dec-01-09 12:28 PM |
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Whether you think there was a conspiracy or not |
deutsey |
Dec-01-09 12:41 PM |
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Never trust the "official" explanation on such matters |
Echo In Light |
Dec-01-09 01:19 PM |
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Agreed. |
deutsey |
Dec-01-09 01:54 PM |
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Have you ever read the Warren Commission report on the shooting? |
stopbush |
Dec-01-09 02:49 PM |
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Do you really believe everything you read? Especially, official? |
Joe Chi Minh |
Dec-01-09 05:54 PM |
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You obviously haven't read the WCR. |
stopbush |
Dec-01-09 08:45 PM |
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My! My! You are a believer, aren't you.... You must be really dim. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Dec-02-09 04:57 PM |
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Sticks and stones, Joe. |
stopbush |
Dec-03-09 12:29 AM |
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My! My! Now the haughty, irate pedantry hasn't worked, we've become a real broth of a boy, |
Joe Chi Minh |
Dec-03-09 03:14 PM |
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I've already answered many of the errors you trollop out yet again |
stopbush |
Dec-03-09 04:02 PM |
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".... ignoring the facts presented in the WCR that he was, in fact, |
Joe Chi Minh |
Dec-03-09 06:54 PM |
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There is no point in arguing with me when I am presenting facts |
stopbush |
Dec-04-09 12:29 AM |
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Chill out, man |
deutsey |
Dec-01-09 09:03 PM |
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I guess it comes down to what you regard as reputable sources. |
stopbush |
Dec-01-09 09:08 PM |
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I suppose it does. Perhaps I'll dig through them and make a bibliography. |
deutsey |
Dec-01-09 09:26 PM |
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Deleted by self. No need to be nastier than is absolutely necessary. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Dec-03-09 03:26 PM |
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why does Wilkerson have credentials? |
hfojvt |
Dec-02-09 12:47 AM |
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Maybe "credentials" is the wrong word |
deutsey |
Dec-02-09 05:49 AM |
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You act as if it's a big deal for a person of LW's "place in the social structure" |
stopbush |
Dec-02-09 11:06 AM |
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Can you name anyone of equivalent place in American society |
deutsey |
Dec-02-09 11:35 AM |
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Sure. Gov Jesse Ventura made similar comments about the killing. |
stopbush |
Dec-02-09 11:47 AM |
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Thanks, but your tone seems to imply that I'm trying to defend Wilkerson's rank |
deutsey |
Dec-02-09 01:40 PM |
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If it's not obvious, bringing up Oliver Stone's opinion in the JFK killing scores no points with me. |
stopbush |
Dec-02-09 02:08 PM |
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Hello? I'm not citing them to make a case for anything. I was just adding to your list. |
deutsey |
Dec-02-09 02:23 PM |
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I read Fonzi's "review" after reading Bugliosi's book and it bore |
stopbush |
Dec-02-09 02:33 PM |
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Ta-da! I've always been a little suspect of him for the exact reasons you mention. |
stopbush |
Dec-02-09 10:40 AM |
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That would certainly apply to the HSCA which found there was a conspiracy to kill JFK. |
stopbush |
Dec-01-09 02:43 PM |
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It seems strange that they still seem a little fearful. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Dec-01-09 05:46 PM |
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Have you signed on with the birthers? You say to never trust the official explanation, |
stopbush |
Dec-04-09 02:17 PM |
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I agree with a lot of what he said. I've wondered if we would ever learn the truth |
appleannie1 |
Dec-01-09 12:36 PM |
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One of the oddities about Ruby was how he was |
deutsey |
Dec-01-09 12:45 PM |
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''It's 'Fair Play for Cuba Committee'.'' |
Octafish |
Dec-02-09 06:56 PM |
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Where does it say that the President is excused from his oath... |
Kansas Wyatt |
Dec-02-09 02:00 PM |
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K & R |
AzDar |
Dec-01-09 01:37 PM |
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K&R! |
Raster |
Dec-01-09 01:42 PM |
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Sounds like HE may be part of some conspiracy |
Matariki |
Dec-01-09 01:47 PM |
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Ha..."we're down the looking glass here, people" |
deutsey |
Dec-01-09 01:56 PM |
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... of course he'd couch his comments with 'I'm not sure but" ... |
Myrina |
Dec-01-09 02:29 PM |
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Exactly why I think oxyrush's comments the other day should be taken seriously. |
Initech |
Dec-01-09 03:59 PM |
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A Great Book by James W. Douglass JFK And The Unthinkable ... |
rtassi |
Dec-01-09 04:19 PM |
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"JFK and the Unspeakable", rtassi. And your are right about a "must-read". |
bertman |
Dec-01-09 05:34 PM |
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Thank you bertman, lost a few brain cells in '69 n/t |
rtassi |
Dec-02-09 09:23 PM |
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Allen Dulles. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-01-09 05:05 PM |
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John McCloy. |
Octafish |
Dec-01-09 06:29 PM |
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Thank you, Colonel Wilkerson. And thank you, deutsey. Recommend. nt |
bertman |
Dec-01-09 05:35 PM |
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It's so easy to recognize the trolls by comparison to the genuine contributors. The new flock of |
peacetalksforall |
Dec-01-09 08:50 PM |
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The Narrative keepers and thought managers of the m$m will tear him apart for that view |
ShamelessHussy |
Dec-01-09 09:07 PM |
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Face it. We'll never know. Period. |
Taverner |
Dec-01-09 09:31 PM |
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I faced that a long time ago when I stopped looking into the subject. |
deutsey |
Dec-01-09 09:43 PM |
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Can a person use the word hologram or holistic in relation to the assassination? |
peacetalksforall |
Dec-01-09 09:34 PM |
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Wow. You've really bought the myths, hook, line and sinker. |
stopbush |
Dec-01-09 11:50 PM |
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I will check out your claim about jail. An easy cover up. However, there is no |
peacetalksforall |
Dec-02-09 07:37 AM |
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"there is no need to repeat stuff that I will never believe." |
stopbush |
Dec-02-09 10:26 AM |
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Re: the supposed French Mafia hit team. |
stopbush |
Dec-03-09 01:32 PM |
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the "possibility of a conspiracy to kill JFK" |
man4allcats |
Dec-01-09 11:14 PM |
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Yeah, I do, but when I wrote this I wanted just "present the facts" |
deutsey |
Dec-02-09 05:53 AM |
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Understood. I agree as well. |
man4allcats |
Dec-02-09 10:13 AM |
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According to his USMC service record, Oswald qualified as a SHARPSHOOTER in 1956. |
stopbush |
Dec-03-09 12:38 AM |
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I used to. I don't anymore. |
stopbush |
Dec-02-09 12:01 PM |
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Late K&R . . . |
defendandprotect |
Dec-01-09 11:42 PM |
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The HSCA Convened sometime between 1976 and 1977 |
swilton |
Dec-02-09 08:45 AM |
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The HSCA was constituted in 1976 but didn't actually meet until mid-1977. |
stopbush |
Dec-02-09 10:59 AM |
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HSCA also recommended DoJ continue investigation. Reagan-Bush said, 'No.' |
Octafish |
Dec-02-09 12:49 PM |
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he only got sucked in by the movie |
Tiggeroshii |
Dec-02-09 11:49 AM |
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the south is as hateful toward Obama as they were toward Kennedy |
RainDog |
Dec-02-09 06:12 PM |
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Isn't it odd this is not in the dungeon yet? |
704wipes |
Dec-02-09 09:40 PM |
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It is now. |
stopbush |
Dec-04-09 02:18 PM |
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Well, we're officially discussing the possibility now at least |
shadowknows69 |
Dec-02-09 09:44 PM |
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Agree MIC/CIA played large roles -- along with other powerful forces -- but they still couldn't have |
defendandprotect |
Dec-01-11 01:09 AM |
#158 |