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Response to Reply #81
82. Exactly.
If someone's going to brag, they should probably have something worth bragging about.
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  -Bazant's progressive collapse math is bogus. eomer  Nov-05-09 04:48 AM   #0 
  - Gourley is an idiot.  AZCat   Nov-05-09 06:12 AM   #1 
  - Gourley described his JEM publishing experience  procopia   Nov-05-09 07:25 AM   #2 
  - He was given just enough rope. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Nov-05-09 08:31 AM   #3 
     - So JEM provides "rope"???  procopia   Nov-05-09 09:25 AM   #4 
        - JEM's motivation  Bolo Boffin   Nov-05-09 09:53 AM   #5 
           - This is its motivation  procopia   Nov-05-09 10:19 AM   #9 
  - LOL.  Bolo Boffin   Nov-05-09 09:56 AM   #6 
  - I don't see eomer calling you out here  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-05-09 11:23 AM   #11 
     - What need did eomer have to repost my response to him?  Bolo Boffin   Nov-05-09 11:55 AM   #16 
     - shrug  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-05-09 12:07 PM   #18 
     - you're so veddy veddy important.  Algorem   Nov-06-09 07:11 PM   #45 
     - Oh  BeFree   Nov-07-09 08:22 AM   #61 
  - Bazant is a tool  whatchamacallit   Nov-05-09 10:12 AM   #7 
  - lol  Bolo Boffin   Nov-05-09 10:18 AM   #8 
     - Smells like bias-laced idol worship in here  whatchamacallit   Nov-05-09 10:21 AM   #10 
     - lol  Bolo Boffin   Nov-05-09 11:53 AM   #14 
     - Being a tool has nothing to do with one's credentials.  procopia   Nov-05-09 11:49 AM   #13 
        - Just letting the people know the person you're smearing. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Nov-05-09 11:53 AM   #15 
           - No one has questioned his credentials.  procopia   Nov-05-09 11:59 AM   #17 
  - Link to previous discussion --->  AZCat   Nov-05-09 11:39 AM   #12 
  - thanks, I guess I missed this back in October '08  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-05-09 12:11 PM   #19 
     - Neither do I.  AZCat   Nov-05-09 03:33 PM   #23 
  - That reminds me...  William Seger   Nov-05-09 12:39 PM   #20 
  - Thanks, that really an eye opener.  thepeopleunited   Nov-05-09 12:46 PM   #21 
  - "Bogus" is too kind a word to use for the "truth movement's" lame attempts to refute Bazant  William Seger   Nov-05-09 12:59 PM   #22 
  - The ignorance it BURNS!!!  Realityhack   Nov-05-09 03:39 PM   #24 
     - Meaningless ad hominem fallacy.  thepeopleunited   Nov-05-09 04:54 PM   #25 
        - Of course we know something about you  William Seger   Nov-05-09 06:32 PM   #26 
        - Who is "we"?  thepeopleunited   Nov-05-09 06:42 PM   #27 
           - "basic courtesy"?  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-05-09 06:47 PM   #28 
              - I believe you're trying to change the subject.  thepeopleunited   Nov-05-09 07:10 PM   #29 
                 - I'm responding to your posts  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-05-09 07:13 PM   #30 
                    - The substantive point is that Bazant is lying.  thepeopleunited   Nov-05-09 07:21 PM   #31 
                       - OK, I can hardly believe that you believe all that  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-05-09 07:44 PM   #32 
                          - But you have no trouble believing  procopia   Nov-06-09 10:27 AM   #33 
                             - Insanity  whatchamacallit   Nov-06-09 11:26 AM   #34 
                             - seriously?  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-06-09 11:26 AM   #35 
                                - Seriously!  whatchamacallit   Nov-06-09 11:44 AM   #36 
                                   - funny, that  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-06-09 12:11 PM   #37 
                                   - Simple answer: You are wrong.  William Seger   Nov-06-09 11:42 PM   #53 
                                      - You OCT myna birds only seem to know what you are talking about  whatchamacallit   Nov-07-09 07:15 AM   #54 
                                         - LOL, you're a trip, whatcha  William Seger   Nov-07-09 09:44 AM   #62 
                                            - This?  procopia   Nov-07-09 10:04 AM   #63 
                                               - "hardly resembles what we witnessed on 9/11"  William Seger   Nov-07-09 11:20 AM   #71 
                                                  - No, it doesn't resemble the WTC tower collapses--  procopia   Nov-07-09 11:29 AM   #73 
                                                  - It totally collapsed...  William Seger   Nov-07-09 02:54 PM   #74 
                                                  - Except for the part that didn't,  procopia   Nov-09-09 08:24 PM   #123 
                                                  - do you realize how wildly you're misrepresenting that NIST letter?  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-09-09 09:11 PM   #124 
                                                  - Thanks for providing the context...  procopia   Nov-10-09 06:10 AM   #125 
                                                  - I stand by my statements, and you offered no substantive response  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 06:57 AM   #126 
                                                  - Does "not able" mean "can't"?  procopia   Nov-10-09 07:46 AM   #128 
                                                  - do you really not get it?  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 08:07 AM   #129 
                                                  - Do you not?  procopia   Nov-10-09 08:36 AM   #132 
                                                  - you still refuse to answer my simple question  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 09:11 AM   #133 
                                                  - Your question is irrelevant  procopia   Nov-10-09 09:45 AM   #134 
                                                  - no, it's crucial to understanding NIST's meaning  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 10:07 AM   #135 
                                                  - I don't have to "figure out" what the sentence means  procopia   Nov-10-09 02:16 PM   #147 
                                                  - you don't need to know what NIST meant in order to know what NIST meant?  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 02:30 PM   #150 
                                                  - I know what the fricking sentence means, OK?  procopia   Nov-10-09 02:41 PM   #152 
                                                  - no, you don't  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 03:02 PM   #153 
                                                  - Why would you think  procopia   Nov-10-09 03:15 PM   #154 
                                                  - "because of the magnitude of the deflections and the numbers of failures occurring"  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 03:44 PM   #155 
                                                  - NIST admits it is unable to explain the total WTC collapse  procopia   Nov-10-09 04:18 PM   #156 
                                                  - because the stated objective is much too complex for computer modeling  Bolo Boffin   Nov-10-09 04:24 PM   #157 
                                                  - NIST neither modeled nor explained the total collapse  procopia   Nov-10-09 04:31 PM   #158 
                                                  - because such a task was impossible as they explained. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Nov-10-09 04:44 PM   #161 
                                                  - Impossible to explain? nt  procopia   Nov-10-09 05:00 PM   #162 
                                                  - No, impossible to model and thus produce the kind of explanation you've set up as the goalpost.  Bolo Boffin   Nov-10-09 05:28 PM   #163 
                                                  - do you ever find yourself getting really annoyed with other posters?  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 04:41 PM   #160 
                                                  - with apologies to Gary Larson:  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 10:31 AM   #137 
                                                  - You totally misrepresented NIST's admission  procopia   Nov-10-09 01:05 PM   #139 
                                                  - riiiiight, I totally misrepresented it by quoting it in context  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 01:13 PM   #140 
                                                  - You left out this part:  procopia   Nov-10-09 01:41 PM   #143 
                                                  - OK, you've veered into self-parody n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 01:56 PM   #146 
                                                  - OK, so you included the admission, even though  procopia   Nov-10-09 02:26 PM   #148 
                                                  - oh, brother n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 02:29 PM   #149 
                                                  - I know it was difficult for you  procopia   Nov-10-09 02:32 PM   #151 
                                                  - as I mentioned previously, you've veered into self-parody n/t  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 04:39 PM   #159 
                                                  - There's really no point in engaging posters like this.  AZCat   Nov-10-09 06:38 PM   #164 
                                                  - well, it also sears the cluelessness into my memory, perhaps  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 06:52 PM   #165 
                                                  - It is difficult, because they mostly claim to value the pursuit of knowledge.  AZCat   Nov-10-09 06:59 PM   #166 
                                                  - haha  procopia   Nov-10-09 07:56 PM   #168 
                                                  - Maybe you learned something then.  procopia   Nov-10-09 08:10 PM   #170 
                                                  - since "full" and "total" are meaningless, that makes perfect se-- oh, wait  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 08:32 PM   #172 
                                                  - Actually  procopia   Nov-10-09 09:03 PM   #173 
                                                  - actually  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-10-09 09:25 PM   #174 
                                                  - Actually, there is no reason to believe it means anything other than what it says  procopia   Nov-11-09 06:07 AM   #178 
                                                  - you're flat-out wrong  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-11-09 07:11 AM   #180 
                                                  - Speaking of veering...  procopia   Nov-11-09 08:00 AM   #181 
                                                  - this precisely supports my point that you complained about below  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-11-09 08:34 AM   #187 
                                                  - No, it isn't.  AZCat   Nov-10-09 07:13 AM   #127 
                                                  - Wrong, and wrong again  William Seger   Nov-11-09 12:07 AM   #176 
                                                  - there are interesting moments  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-11-09 08:00 AM   #182 
                                                  - Interesting moments, like when you misquote me?  procopia   Nov-11-09 08:14 AM   #183 
                                                  - that isn't quoting you at all  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-11-09 08:19 AM   #184 
                                                  - You didn't "paraphrase"  procopia   Nov-11-09 08:32 AM   #186 
                                                  - this is just another unsupported assertion on your part  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-11-09 09:01 AM   #188 
        - Unfortunately you are as poor at logic as you are at physics.  Realityhack   Nov-07-09 07:57 AM   #57 
  - Still photo proof  procopia   Nov-06-09 01:47 PM   #38 
  - You and eomer are making the same mistake as Tony Szamboti. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Nov-06-09 02:00 PM   #39 
     - Bazant's mistake (one of them)  procopia   Nov-06-09 03:24 PM   #41 
        - You do not understand Bazant's paper. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Nov-06-09 03:30 PM   #42 
           - Explain it to me then.  procopia   Nov-06-09 05:51 PM   #43 
              - Bazant/Zhou is not an exact modeling of the WTC towers' collapse. It's a limiting case.  Bolo Boffin   Nov-06-09 06:31 PM   #44 
                 - Then probably NIST shouldn't have used it as a basis  procopia   Nov-06-09 07:45 PM   #46 
                 - You continue to misunderstand Bazant's report. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Nov-06-09 10:04 PM   #47 
                    - Oh I understand it  procopia   Nov-06-09 10:20 PM   #48 
                       - No, and your continued mangling of it demonstrates that amply.  Bolo Boffin   Nov-06-09 10:41 PM   #49 
                       - No one could mangle it more than Bazant himself  procopia   Nov-06-09 10:50 PM   #50 
                          - No. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Nov-06-09 11:18 PM   #52 
                       - Really? If you really understand it but still disagree with it...  William Seger   Nov-06-09 10:52 PM   #51 
                          - I've already stated my reason  procopia   Nov-07-09 08:03 AM   #58 
                             - (Post #66 applies to you, too.)  William Seger   Nov-07-09 11:26 AM   #72 
                 - Bazant assumes the worst case, not best.  eomer   Nov-07-09 08:20 AM   #60 
                    - Good examples...  William Seger   Nov-07-09 10:46 AM   #66 
                       - Is this a joke?  thepeopleunited   Nov-07-09 04:06 PM   #75 
                       - LOL  William Seger   Nov-07-09 06:43 PM   #76 
                          - I'm glad you're laughing.  thepeopleunited   Nov-08-09 07:51 AM   #77 
                             - Pardon me if I don't depend on your overwhelming engineering experience...  AZCat   Nov-08-09 10:46 AM   #79 
                                - "Credentials are somewhat irrelevant"  thepeopleunited   Nov-08-09 10:53 AM   #80 
                                   - but so are unilateral declarations of competence  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-08-09 10:59 AM   #81 
                                      - Exactly.  AZCat   Nov-08-09 11:01 AM   #82 
                                         - You have an agenda, I have experience.  thepeopleunited   Nov-08-09 11:02 AM   #83 
                                            - What "experience" do you have...  SDuderstadt   Nov-08-09 11:06 AM   #84 
                                            - He already told us...  AZCat   Nov-08-09 11:07 AM   #86 
                                               - Professional experience too, on high-rise steel frame projects.  thepeopleunited   Nov-08-09 11:09 AM   #87 
                                               - I seriously doubt that, dude...  SDuderstadt   Nov-08-09 11:13 AM   #89 
                                               - Uh-huh.  AZCat   Nov-08-09 11:14 AM   #92 
                                               - Likewise. n/t  thepeopleunited   Nov-08-09 11:18 AM   #94 
                                               - Except I haven't been basing my arguments...  AZCat   Nov-08-09 11:21 AM   #97 
                                               - What arguments?  thepeopleunited   Nov-08-09 11:25 AM   #101 
                                               - That hasn't been the basis of any of my arguments.  AZCat   Nov-08-09 11:27 AM   #103 
                                            - That's really quite amusing.  AZCat   Nov-08-09 11:07 AM   #85 
                                               - I'm not the one bragging.  thepeopleunited   Nov-08-09 11:12 AM   #88 
                                                  - Actually, yes - you were.  AZCat   Nov-08-09 11:13 AM   #90 
                                                  - Incorrect. I don't brag about my experience  thepeopleunited   Nov-08-09 11:17 AM   #93 
                                                  - Now it's just pathetic.  AZCat   Nov-08-09 11:20 AM   #95 
                                                  - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Nov-08-09 11:22 AM   #98 
                                                  - Notice he doesn't describe what KIND of experience that was. n/t  AZCat   Nov-08-09 11:23 AM   #99 
                                                  - Exactly....  SDuderstadt   Nov-08-09 11:25 AM   #102 
                                                  - naw, that could be true  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-08-09 11:29 AM   #104 
                                                  - Some sense - yes...  AZCat   Nov-08-09 11:33 AM   #105 
                                                  - certainly it can't  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-08-09 11:41 AM   #106 
                                                  - I call bullshit...  SDuderstadt   Nov-08-09 11:14 AM   #91 
                                                  - You call lots of things I've noticed.  thepeopleunited   Nov-08-09 11:20 AM   #96 
                                                  - I call bullshit when I see it...  SDuderstadt   Nov-08-09 11:24 AM   #100 
                       - Address my subtantive point.  eomer   Nov-08-09 09:03 AM   #78 
                          - That's easy  William Seger   Nov-08-09 01:32 PM   #107 
                          - No, it's not easy.  eomer   Nov-09-09 10:13 AM   #109 
                          - Utter nonsense  William Seger   Nov-09-09 01:02 PM   #116 
                             - Conceded that Bazant does reflect some ejection from Part A.  eomer   Nov-10-09 08:31 AM   #131 
                                - Nonsense. Mass can ONLY be ejected from part B  William Seger   Nov-10-09 08:13 PM   #171 
                                   - Semantics.  eomer   Nov-11-09 05:44 AM   #177 
                                      - More nonsense  William Seger   Nov-11-09 08:25 AM   #185 
                                         - Bazant insists that Part C remains intact.  eomer   Nov-11-09 12:24 PM   #196 
                          - Please allow an actuary to assist all you amazing engineers.  eomer   Nov-09-09 10:54 AM   #110 
                          - And to state it more correctly,  eomer   Nov-09-09 12:11 PM   #113 
                             - Could you do a force diagram of what you're proposing here?  Bolo Boffin   Nov-09-09 12:53 PM   #115 
                             - No, it's too complex.  eomer   Nov-10-09 10:25 AM   #136 
                                - How amusing. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Nov-10-09 12:57 PM   #138 
                                   - You disagree? You think it can be reduced to a simple diagram at a single instant of time? n/t  eomer   Nov-10-09 01:18 PM   #141 
                                      - Force diagrams are a standard way of getting your mind around a problem.  Bolo Boffin   Nov-10-09 01:27 PM   #142 
                                         - Utterly worthless in this case.  eomer   Nov-10-09 01:49 PM   #144 
                                            - No, much too revealing in this case.  Bolo Boffin   Nov-10-09 01:55 PM   #145 
                                            - Your suggestions makes no sense to me.  eomer   Nov-10-09 07:53 PM   #167 
                                            - You guys are SO predictable.  Bolo Boffin   Nov-10-09 08:00 PM   #169 
                             - WTF? That's exactly what Bazant has done.  William Seger   Nov-09-09 01:10 PM   #118 
                                - No, you missed the distinction I'm making.  eomer   Nov-10-09 08:12 AM   #130 
                                   - Please throw that red herring back, it's under the legal limit  William Seger   Nov-10-09 10:18 PM   #175 
                                      - I'm not the one sidestepping -- Bazant is.  eomer   Nov-11-09 06:34 AM   #179 
                                         - You're wrong about what Bazant calculated, and you are the one trying to use magic  William Seger   Nov-11-09 09:52 AM   #189 
                                            - I think you lose some people at "the falling mass"  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-11-09 11:39 AM   #190 
                                            - That speaks for me.  eomer   Nov-11-09 11:58 AM   #192 
                                            - no, wait, we need to curse at each other for 10 or 20 posts...  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-11-09 12:08 PM   #193 
                                            - I know.  eomer   Nov-11-09 12:15 PM   #195 
                                            - What On The Other Hand is describing is a common misperception.  Bolo Boffin   Nov-11-09 12:08 PM   #194 
                                            - well, here's what interests me  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-11-09 12:31 PM   #197 
                                            - Oops, reading it again I find I may disagree.  eomer   Nov-11-09 01:28 PM   #198 
                                            - Which weighs more...  William Seger   Nov-11-09 06:00 PM   #199 
                                            - Bazant's primary argument  eomer   Nov-11-09 06:24 PM   #200 
                                            - Last time for this  William Seger   Nov-11-09 06:53 PM   #202 
                                            - No, it is you who does not understand Bazant's calculations.  eomer   Nov-11-09 09:31 PM   #205 
                                            - As near as I can tell, you haven't understood a single word I've said to you  William Seger   Nov-12-09 01:56 AM   #207 
                                            - No, I've understood your words. Let me try to rephrase my point more in the way you think of it.  eomer   Nov-12-09 03:08 AM   #208 
                                            - well, it makes sense to me  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-11-09 08:40 PM   #203 
                                            - You miss my point.  eomer   Nov-11-09 11:56 AM   #191 
                                               - No, I have answered that point more than once, and you've just ignored what I said  William Seger   Nov-11-09 06:27 PM   #201 
                                               - My OP discussed my visual evidence but here it is again, packaged better.  eomer   Nov-11-09 08:55 PM   #204 
                                               - 2002  Bolo Boffin   Nov-11-09 09:32 PM   #206 
                          - Goalposts on the move  whatchamacallit   Nov-09-09 11:34 AM   #112 
                             - Not surprising  William Seger   Nov-09-09 01:07 PM   #117 
                                - heh, maybe so... (nt)  whatchamacallit   Nov-09-09 03:13 PM   #119 
                          - Relying on disparity between Bazant Zhou's model and visual evidence is your flaw. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Nov-08-09 01:34 PM   #108 
                             - Why rely on real visual evidence when you have totally theoretical numbers?  whatchamacallit   Nov-09-09 11:27 AM   #111 
                                - You also have misunderstood the purpose of Bazant Zhou.  Bolo Boffin   Nov-09-09 12:50 PM   #114 
                                   - You missionaries are doing a great job of proselytizing  whatchamacallit   Nov-09-09 04:08 PM   #120 
                                      - comparing his post to yours  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-09-09 04:35 PM   #121 
                                         - Our side has better and more sophisticated...  SDuderstadt   Nov-09-09 04:46 PM   #122 
  - Entertaining thread.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Nov-06-09 02:59 PM   #40 
  - This thread is a perfect example of why non-engineers / physicists / etc. are not...  Realityhack   Nov-07-09 07:47 AM   #55 
     - I forget, what is your field of expertise, hack?  whatchamacallit   Nov-07-09 07:53 AM   #56 
     - Credentials are somewhat irrelevant.  AZCat   Nov-07-09 10:35 AM   #65 
        - We agree AZ  whatchamacallit   Nov-07-09 10:59 AM   #67 
           - I was talking about something similar with my girlfriend last night.  AZCat   Nov-07-09 11:03 AM   #68 
              - You are wise (nt)  whatchamacallit   Nov-07-09 11:10 AM   #69 
                 - I make lots of mistakes.  AZCat   Nov-07-09 11:14 AM   #70 
     - The purpose of the paper,  procopia   Nov-07-09 08:12 AM   #59 
     - Bazant's slip is showing.  eomer   Nov-07-09 10:24 AM   #64 
        - well said-- the Bazant refutation is a joke  spooked911   Nov-06-11 06:29 PM   #209 
        - ROFL  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-07-11 06:22 AM   #210 
        - Like a Zombi  ryan_cats   Nov-07-11 08:57 AM   #211 
        - Just found it the other day. Sorry I missed it when it first came around.  spooked911   Nov-16-11 10:27 AM   #214 
           - fair enough -- but there is a big problem in the OP  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-16-11 07:47 PM   #215 
              - That's a gross simplification of my argument.  eomer   Nov-20-11 06:48 AM   #216 
                 - well, you stuck around and offered better arguments  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-20-11 08:01 AM   #217 
                    - Here is the blog entry by Krugman that I was remembering:  eomer   Nov-20-11 01:32 PM   #218 
                       - I don't think the analogy is very close  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-20-11 07:49 PM   #219 
                          - Yes, that was as far as I intended the analogy to go.  eomer   Nov-21-11 04:32 AM   #220 
                             - wait, hang on a second  OnTheOtherHand   Nov-21-11 08:30 AM   #221 
        - I agree spooked  zappaman   Nov-07-11 04:10 PM   #213 
           - science isn't stupid but apparently Bazant thinks we are stupid  spooked911   Nov-24-11 08:33 AM   #222 
              - Depending on who you mean by "we"...  William Seger   Nov-24-11 12:44 PM   #223 
        - Reminds me of a Nikola Tesla quote  deconstruct911   Nov-07-11 03:33 PM   #212 
 

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