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1. Also of note
...Mr. Loizeaux and his company Controlled Demolition INC. was in charge of the clean-up of the WTC and ground zero in the aftermath of 9/11.



Mark Loizeaux

A similar example involves Mark Loizeaux, the president of Controlled Demolition Inc., a key company in the Ground Zero cleanup operation. An article published two days after the attack quotes demolitions expert Loizeaux mischaracterizing the collapse of the South Tower (whose top only began to topple like a tree, but then rapidly disintegrated) and expressing perplexity at the way the North Tower's top telescoped down.

Observing the collapses on television news, Loizeaux says the 1,362-ft-tall south tower, which was hit at about the 60th floor, failed much as one wouldlike fell a tree. That is what was expected, says Loizeaux. But the 1,368-ft-tall north tower, similarly hit but at about the 90th floor, "telescoped," says Loizeaux. It failed vertically, he adds, rather than falling over. "I don't have a clue," says Loizeaux, regarding the cause of the telescoping. 1

Later, in an interview published in New Scientist magazine, Loizeaux suggested that he knew from the beginning that the towers would pancake straight down.
When I saw what hit, that it was an airliner, that it was loaded with jet fuel, I remembered the long clear span configuration from the central skin to the outer skin of the World Trade Center from the report I did. And we had just taken down two 40-storey structures in New York.

I still had some cellphone numbers so when the second plane hit I said: "Start calling all the cellphones, tell them that the building is going to come down."

...

And I sat there watching, I picked up the phone and and I called a couple of people on the National Research Council Committee involved in assessing the impact of explosives. They said "What do you think this is, that they're going to fail, that they're both going to fail?" The expression around was they're going to pancake down, almost vertically. And they did. It was the only way they could fail. It was inevitable. 2

http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/retractions/index.h...



So Mr. Loizeaux seems to have a habit of being less than forthcoming, doesn't he?
To put it mildly.

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Here's another little bombshell I came across today. It appears that NIST, the government agency that performed the official investigation on the collapse of the WTC buildings, are experts in the field of nanotechnology research.




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NIST is headquartered in Gaithersburg, Maryland, and operates a facility in Boulder, Colorado. NIST's activities are organized into laboratory programs, and extramural programs. NIST Laboratories include:<4>

* Building and Fire Research Laboratory
* Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology
* Chemical Science and Technology Laboratory
* Electronics and Electrical Engineering Laboratory
* Information Technology Laboratory
* Manufacturing Engineering Laboratory
* Materials Science and Engineering Laboratory
* NIST Center for Neutron Research
* Physics Laboratory
* Technology Services

The Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology (CNST) performs research in nanotechnology, both through internal research efforts and by running a user-accessible cleanroom nanomanufacturing facility. This 'nanofab' is equipped with tools for lithographic patterning and imaging (e.g. electron microscopes and atomic force microscopes).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_of_Stan...




Oh, boy.
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  -Mark Loizeaux says nanothermite is a fantasy, the technology doesn't exist. Is he lying? rollingrock  Oct-25-09 07:11 PM   #0 
  - Also of note  rollingrock   Oct-25-09 08:25 PM   #1 
  - Oh boy..  KDLarsen   Oct-25-09 08:32 PM   #2 
     - So you agree with Loizeaux's assertion?  rollingrock   Oct-25-09 08:36 PM   #3 
        - I agree with him  KDLarsen   Oct-25-09 08:49 PM   #4 
        - You agree with him?  rollingrock   Oct-25-09 08:59 PM   #5 
        - Read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote  KDLarsen   Oct-25-09 09:08 PM   #6 
           - 'Nano-thermite being used in a controlled demolition is not a real thing.'  rollingrock   Oct-25-09 09:56 PM   #7 
           - I stand corrected  KDLarsen   Oct-25-09 11:26 PM   #9 
              - I didn't ignore it  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 01:08 AM   #12 
              - You have absolutely ZERO proof that nano-thermite or super-thermite...  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 01:14 AM   #13 
                 - The WTC dust tested positive  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 01:24 AM   #14 
                    - No, it did not. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Oct-26-09 01:41 AM   #18 
                    - I'm afraid it did  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 02:00 AM   #22 
                       - You are incorrect. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Oct-26-09 03:33 AM   #24 
                    - No, it didn't...  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 08:44 AM   #27 
                       - Wrong  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 01:59 PM   #40 
                          - Thermite  HannibalCards   Oct-26-09 02:29 PM   #41 
                             - Thermite and nanothermite are not the same  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 02:48 PM   #42 
                                - I thought  HannibalCards   Oct-26-09 03:27 PM   #43 
                                   - You thought wrong  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 03:52 PM   #44 
                                      - As usual, it's you squaring off against everyone else in the thread, save...  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 03:57 PM   #45 
                                      - 'Everyone else?'  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 04:19 PM   #46 
                                      - No, what intimidates you are actual facts, dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 04:23 PM   #47 
                                      - how amusing, dude...  reinvestigate911   Oct-26-09 04:53 PM   #48 
                                      - Really?  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 04:55 PM   #49 
                                      - Now that's what I call irony  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 05:27 PM   #50 
                                      - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 05:34 PM   #51 
                                      - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-26-09 05:56 PM   #52 
                                      - Dude....  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 05:58 PM   #53 
                                      - He... doesn't.... say.... a ....word ...about.... controlled....demoltion  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 06:05 PM   #54 
                                      - And what is the context of the conversation....  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 06:08 PM   #55 
                                      - Oh dear, looks like you caused RR to meltdown  KDLarsen   Oct-26-09 07:20 PM   #56 
                                      - I know....  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 07:25 PM   #57 
                                      - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-26-09 08:25 PM   #58 
                                      - Are you melting down again, RR?  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 08:30 PM   #60 
                                      - You've been watching one too many cartoons, dude  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 08:36 PM   #61 
                                      - I don't watch TV, dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 08:46 PM   #62 
                                      - Hmmm, that's odd  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 09:12 PM   #63 
                                      - Well, you should take notice of whom I refer to as "dude"....  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 09:35 PM   #64 
                                      - Is that supposed to prove something?  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 09:53 PM   #65 
                                      - Yeah, it proves you misrepresented Loizeaux, dude....  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 10:46 PM   #67 
                                      - Fires do not cause office buildings to collapse or pancake  rollingrock   Oct-27-09 07:22 AM   #68 
                                      - Hah!  AZCat   Oct-27-09 08:39 AM   #69 
                                      - Me too  rollingrock   Oct-27-09 09:08 AM   #70 
                                      - Fortunately the engineering community doesn't take...  AZCat   Oct-27-09 10:06 AM   #74 
                                      - 'Engineering community'  rollingrock   Oct-27-09 05:54 PM   #102 
                                      - Generally speaking, it does.  AZCat   Oct-27-09 07:30 PM   #107 
                                      - Unless you are a mind reader  rollingrock   Oct-27-09 07:47 PM   #108 
                                      - What a stupid post....  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 07:53 PM   #110 
                                      - Promoting ignorance again, rollingrock?  AZCat   Oct-28-09 08:26 AM   #122 
                                      - What is the point of it that you agree with?  eomer   Oct-27-09 07:50 PM   #109 
                                      - Your understanding is incorrect.  AZCat   Oct-28-09 08:22 AM   #121 
                                      - My understanding is correct.  eomer   Oct-28-09 06:47 PM   #132 
                                      - No, your understanding isn't correct.  AZCat   Oct-28-09 07:32 PM   #133 
                                      - Yes, my understanding is correct.  eomer   Oct-28-09 09:05 PM   #134 
                                      - Yes, except...  AZCat   Oct-28-09 09:09 PM   #135 
                                      - Ah... in other words, you agree with me.  eomer   Oct-28-09 09:21 PM   #136 
                                      - No.  AZCat   Oct-29-09 09:16 AM   #137 
                                      - Those were meant as hypotheticals, not claims.  eomer   Oct-29-09 11:21 AM   #139 
                                      - Dude....  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 09:22 AM   #71 
                                      - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 10:16 AM   #76 
                                      - Sorry, the opinions of NIST  rollingrock   Oct-27-09 06:08 PM   #103 
                                      - Dude....  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 07:09 PM   #104 
                                      - Truthers  HannibalCards   Oct-27-09 07:22 PM   #106 
                                      - "Truther Logic"...  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 08:25 PM   #59 
                                      - you should watch the clip again  reinvestigate911   Oct-27-09 09:48 AM   #72 
                                      - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 09:58 AM   #73 
                                      - "showing that the technology is quite real and has been used for CD purposes"  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-27-09 10:14 AM   #75 
                                      - right you are  reinvestigate911   Oct-27-09 10:30 AM   #79 
                                      - You forgot to mention that leading experts in controlled demolition...  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 10:39 AM   #80 
                                      - simple question  reinvestigate911   Oct-27-09 10:56 AM   #84 
                                      - Show me where I said it's impossible...  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 11:09 AM   #87 
                                      - gee, that's a graceful way to concede a mistake  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-27-09 11:03 AM   #85 
                                      - You are moving the goalposts  HannibalCards   Oct-26-09 10:23 PM   #66 
                                      - no one heard explosions?  reinvestigate911   Oct-27-09 10:18 AM   #77 
                                      - "Truther Logic"..  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 10:23 AM   #78 
                                      - "Dude Logic"  reinvestigate911   Oct-27-09 10:42 AM   #81 
                                      - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 10:47 AM   #82 
                                      - simple answer, dude  reinvestigate911   Oct-27-09 10:51 AM   #83 
                                      - Of course, you're clipping what he actually said, dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 11:06 AM   #86 
                                      - did you read the first responder oral histories?  reinvestigate911   Oct-27-09 11:21 AM   #88 
                                      - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 11:39 AM   #89 
                                      - why is everything so black and white with you?  reinvestigate911   Oct-27-09 12:58 PM   #90 
                                      - Simple question:  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 01:56 PM   #93 
                                      - That is incorrect  HannibalCards   Oct-27-09 02:15 PM   #94 
                                      - the links are provided in my previous post: #81  reinvestigate911   Oct-27-09 02:43 PM   #95 
                                      - Reports of explosions immediately prior to collapse:  eomer   Oct-27-09 03:12 PM   #96 
                                      - Does any of this sound like "controlled demolition"?  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 03:16 PM   #97 
                                      - shifting goalposts: testimonial evidence is provided; whether they believe it's CD is irrelevant n/t  reinvestigate911   Oct-27-09 04:18 PM   #99 
                                      - Of explosions, dude....  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 04:22 PM   #100 
                                      - Interesting analysis suggesting seismic event prior to and during collapse.  eomer   Oct-27-09 04:17 PM   #98 
                                      - also known as Pretzel logic  rollingrock   Oct-27-09 05:41 PM   #101 
                                      - Oh, really, dude?  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 07:11 PM   #105 
                                      - The I in HEI  vincent_vega_lives   Oct-27-09 01:06 PM   #91 
              - Aluminum facades  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 01:46 PM   #39 
           - No more slippery slope  Bolo Boffin   Oct-25-09 11:06 PM   #8 
           - dupe  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 01:26 AM   #15 
           - A lack of a precedent wouldn't mean it was impossible, would it?  JackRiddler   Oct-26-09 12:52 AM   #11 
              - Lack of precedence?  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 01:29 AM   #16 
                 - One wonders why we even fight fires in buildings. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Oct-26-09 01:41 AM   #17 
                 - Or why they demolish buildings? Just set them ablaze and watch em fall!  lovepg   Oct-26-09 01:50 AM   #19 
                 - lol  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 01:59 AM   #21 
                 - Those 767's are so damn expensive! nt  hack89   Oct-26-09 06:02 AM   #26 
                 - None of the buildings would have fallen by fire alone  vincent_vega_lives   Oct-29-09 10:16 AM   #138 
                 - To save lives, and save the contents of the building  rollingrock   Oct-26-09 01:51 AM   #20 
                    - LOL. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Oct-26-09 03:13 AM   #23 
                 - The steel portions of this building did collapse due to fire  hack89   Oct-26-09 06:02 AM   #25 
                    - And you gloss over the fact the towers were over engineered for just such an occurance!  lovepg   Oct-26-09 11:51 AM   #29 
                       - And, of course, you have proof of that...  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 11:55 AM   #30 
                       - WHAT THE GREAT SD does not know that the towers were engineered to take a jet crashing into it?  lovepg   Oct-26-09 12:00 PM   #31 
                          - I asked you for proof of your claim, dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 12:02 PM   #32 
                             - You could ask me to prove the sky is blue and it would not change the color of the sky.  lovepg   Oct-26-09 12:05 PM   #33 
                                - Why don't you just admit you can't prove it, dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 12:09 PM   #34 
                                   - Ohhh yeah they were expecting the rubber band wind up jets with NO fuel tanks SD!!  lovepg   Oct-26-09 12:11 PM   #35 
                                      - No, dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 12:14 PM   #36 
                                      - They had been designed to withstand the impact of a landing 707  KDLarsen   Oct-26-09 12:15 PM   #37 
                                         - lovepg seems intent on embarrassing himself further, despite our attempts to....  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 12:18 PM   #38 
                                         - Prove this moronic claim. Quotes from the designeers would be acceptable.  lovepg   Oct-27-09 10:30 PM   #113 
                                            - Post #38  KDLarsen   Oct-27-09 11:43 PM   #118 
                                            - Exactly but people act as if its a proven fact the engineers designed it for a slow  lovepg   Oct-28-09 10:34 AM   #129 
                       - Engineerd to withstand the force  vincent_vega_lives   Oct-27-09 01:15 PM   #92 
                          - Yeah they never expected the jet to have jet fuel on board or for it to cause a fire  lovepg   Oct-27-09 10:25 PM   #111 
                             - I already provided that...  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 10:26 PM   #112 
                             - No you didn't you linked an article with the same claim but with no quotes from the ..  lovepg   Oct-27-09 10:32 PM   #114 
                                - Last time, dude....  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 10:34 PM   #115 
                                   - He has made many conflicting comments on this subject...  lovepg   Oct-27-09 11:06 PM   #116 
                                      - Well, good, dude....  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 11:18 PM   #117 
                                         - Snark answer instead of discussing.  lovepg   Oct-28-09 12:45 AM   #119 
                                            - discussing what?  OnTheOtherHand   Oct-28-09 05:13 AM   #120 
                                            - You cannot tell very well then. This person has made comments to support both sides...  lovepg   Oct-28-09 10:02 AM   #125 
                                            - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 10:06 AM   #126 
                                            - What is there to discuss, dude?  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 09:12 AM   #123 
                                            - Snark answer  lovepg   Oct-28-09 09:59 AM   #124 
                                            - You catch on quickly....n/t  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 10:07 AM   #127 
                                            - Snark again.  lovepg   Oct-28-09 10:27 AM   #128 
                             - You obviously didn't read my post  vincent_vega_lives   Oct-28-09 02:29 PM   #130 
                                - Why would you expect lovepg to understand....  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 02:33 PM   #131 
                                - Things that failed on 911 according to the official story..  lovepg   Oct-29-09 11:22 AM   #140 
                                   - Thank god, you don't have all day because...  SDuderstadt   Oct-29-09 11:52 AM   #141 
        - Niels Harrit web site continues to discuss Nanothermite explosives at WTC  cicorp   Apr-14-10 12:58 PM   #142 
           - Welcome to DU cicorp. I was just going to start another thread with a  snagglepuss   Apr-24-10 09:42 PM   #164 
           - Harrit is a joke  KDLarsen   Apr-24-10 09:50 PM   #165 
              - According to the Russia Today interview Harrit simply states that both nanothermite and conventional  snagglepuss   Apr-24-10 10:38 PM   #167 
                 - Simple question:  SDuderstadt   Apr-24-10 10:43 PM   #168 
                    - He addresses that question in the interview. He also states that only the military and  snagglepuss   Apr-24-10 11:49 PM   #169 
                       - That's not what I asked you...  SDuderstadt   Apr-25-10 12:09 AM   #170 
                          - I did reply to your question. I informed you that he addresses that question  snagglepuss   Apr-25-10 12:17 AM   #171 
                             - And I ask again...  SDuderstadt   Apr-25-10 12:20 AM   #172 
           - That isn't Niels Harrits website..  KDLarsen   Apr-24-10 09:53 PM   #166 
        - Did you notice the references are to "research"?  jberryhill   Oct-26-09 09:21 AM   #28 
  - Define irony...  SDuderstadt   Oct-25-09 11:51 PM   #10 
  - Mr. Loizeaux is a lying POS and probably an accessory after the fact  aldo   Apr-15-10 02:46 PM   #143 
  - Moreover, you have not a shred of proof for three of your amazing assertions, and as for the last  apocalypsehow   Apr-15-10 03:24 PM   #144 
  - Of course, he is lying.  Red Dwarf   Apr-15-10 04:16 PM   #145 
  - Did you even bother reading the thread?  KDLarsen   Apr-17-10 08:29 AM   #146 
  - mr. loizeaux couldnt find his ass with both hands..  Twist_U_Up   Apr-17-10 02:28 PM   #147 
  - There are many things....  quickesst   Apr-17-10 09:15 PM   #148 
     - No, he doesn't...  SDuderstadt   Apr-17-10 10:39 PM   #149 
     - uh-um......  quickesst   Apr-19-10 10:04 PM   #154 
        - Listen to what he's saying....  SDuderstadt   Apr-19-10 10:17 PM   #155 
           - My apologies....  quickesst   Apr-20-10 08:15 PM   #156 
     - How true quick.  jschurchin   Apr-19-10 08:01 AM   #150 
        - Incorrect.  AZCat   Apr-19-10 11:28 AM   #151 
        - FYI  jschurchin   Apr-19-10 12:15 PM   #152 
           - Your loss. Keep repeating mistakes, then. n/t  AZCat   Apr-19-10 05:26 PM   #153 
           - Ever notice...  quickesst   Apr-22-10 10:02 PM   #157 
              - Name one.....n/t  SDuderstadt   Apr-22-10 10:04 PM   #158 
                 - "Name one....."  quickesst   Apr-22-10 10:42 PM   #159 
                    - That's kinda broad, isn't it?  SDuderstadt   Apr-22-10 11:30 PM   #160 
                       - Not really........  quickesst   Apr-23-10 10:41 PM   #161 
                          - How about "I'm tired of your silly games? n/t  SDuderstadt   Apr-23-10 10:43 PM   #162 
                             - Jesus Nevermind Sduderstadt.......  quickesst   Apr-24-10 12:38 AM   #163 
 

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