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55. Well stated post. Your patience is noteworthy. nt
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  -Using geometry to analyze angles of descent of falling debris from WT1 & WT2 Bonobo  Sep-01-09 09:11 AM   #0 
  - "it seems that the math would be relatively straightforward"  jberryhill   Sep-01-09 09:36 AM   #1 
  - But I mean the for the areas ABOVE where there would have been such a collision.  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 09:40 AM   #2 
  - "Apply a downward force shattering the glass"  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 09:49 AM   #4 
     - "it would be more straightforward than you imply"  jberryhill   Sep-01-09 10:03 AM   #6 
        - "So why don't you go ahead and do whatever it is you have in mind, instead of talking about it."  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 10:24 AM   #9 
        - "...I find it odd that you would choose to shoot down an approach..."  Realityhack   Sep-01-09 11:27 AM   #12 
           - As I said, BEFORE the collison, BEFORE. So there would be no bounce effect at top.  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 11:51 AM   #16 
           - You may be asking a decent question... but you are refusing flatly to listen to the answer.  Realityhack   Sep-01-09 12:07 PM   #17 
              - Simplifying for calculation is a regrettable concession that has to be made in any study.  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 12:12 PM   #21 
                 - "-Fine. Accepted. Does this mean it can't be done?"  Realityhack   Sep-01-09 12:39 PM   #28 
                    - Always driven to the point where any discussion that could open new doors is even conceivable.  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 12:54 PM   #31 
                    - what is incurious about Realityhack's response?  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-01-09 04:53 PM   #40 
                    - "How could Rh revise it to make it more curious?"  Realityhack   Sep-02-09 09:03 AM   #63 
                    - A Better Observation, RH  jberryhill   Sep-02-09 10:26 AM   #73 
                    - Please see my post below. But that's a really silly argument...  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 10:29 AM   #75 
                    - Again, ad hominem  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 11:25 AM   #87 
                       - You do not appear to understand the term 'ad hominem'. n/t  Realityhack   Sep-02-09 11:31 AM   #88 
                          - OK. Withdrawn. Ad Bonobo. nt  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 11:33 AM   #91 
                          - Weak gruel of a response.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 11:35 AM   #92 
                    - "But it appears bonobo just refuses to accept that answer."  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 11:23 AM   #86 
                    - No, I think consideration is being rejected out of hand for no reason.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 11:21 AM   #85 
                       - I stated my position in the post you just replied to  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-02-09 06:40 PM   #140 
                    - I'm Curious About How Cells Divide  jberryhill   Sep-01-09 05:43 PM   #43 
                       - Well stated post. Your patience is noteworthy. nt  LARED   Sep-01-09 10:17 PM   #55 
                       - Misplaced more like. nt  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 11:32 AM   #90 
                          - You do realize you just put yourself down right? n/t  Realityhack   Sep-02-09 01:16 PM   #106 
                             - "He he. Ranked yerself out!" We used to say that. In Junior High. nt  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 01:42 PM   #109 
                       - Half of that is a false analogy and the rest proceeds from a strawman.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 11:32 AM   #89 
                          - The contradiction...  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 02:14 PM   #116 
                             - Sounds like you now agree that it is an avenue that is open to investigation.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 02:25 PM   #118 
                                - I have never thought otherwise  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 02:51 PM   #126 
                                   - I have not seen the type of analysis I am describing and if you have, links would be appreciated.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 02:59 PM   #128 
                                      - See #133  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 03:37 PM   #135 
                    - RH, so it is too complex AND it cannot be simplified in any way for any analysis? WOW!  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 11:18 AM   #84 
                       - No. You are entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is wrong.  Realityhack   Sep-02-09 11:36 AM   #94 
                          - So what is the 'opinion' that is wrong?  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 12:21 PM   #101 
                          - wrong place. self delete.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 02:27 PM   #119 
                          - Now that we have arrived at that, I guess your work is done.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 02:30 PM   #120 
           - Here RH starts with "It is too complex for you to understand, so you can't discuss."  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 11:15 AM   #83 
              - Reading comprehension.... your doing it wrong. n/t  Realityhack   Sep-02-09 12:04 PM   #97 
                 - Spelling ability --"your" doing it wrong. n/t  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 12:22 PM   #102 
                    - Absolutely and let me be the first to admit it.  Realityhack   Sep-02-09 01:15 PM   #105 
        - It is from this point, in my view that you began to say "Do it yourself or it isn't true."  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 11:14 AM   #82 
           - That is not what was said. You are seeing what you want to see. n/t  Realityhack   Sep-02-09 12:05 PM   #98 
  - But we know that the top of the towers were tilting  hack89   Sep-01-09 09:46 AM   #3 
  - Yes, that is true. But a tipping object...  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 09:50 AM   #5 
     - Sure... if it was some sort of ideal solid object  jberryhill   Sep-01-09 10:09 AM   #7 
        - "The top twenty or thirty floors of the towers are not a pair of dice that are going to roll"  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 10:18 AM   #8 
           - By now you should clearly see how this dance works...  lovepg   Sep-01-09 11:08 AM   #10 
           - It is becoming painfully obvious.  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 11:16 AM   #11 
           - +1  Why Syzygy   Sep-01-09 12:45 PM   #30 
           - spot on man. thanks. nt  wildbilln864   Sep-01-09 10:20 PM   #56 
           - thank you. very well put. spot on  Twist_U_Up   Sep-02-09 05:00 PM   #138 
           - The fact that you posted those two videos as a response to what Hack wrote...  Realityhack   Sep-01-09 11:29 AM   #13 
           - And you do because??????????  lovepg   Sep-01-09 11:38 AM   #14 
           - As I said, we have veered off this topic of the OP.  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 11:45 AM   #15 
              - "I won the (sub) point (and red herring) by any reasonable standard" ROTFLMFAO. n/t  Realityhack   Sep-01-09 12:09 PM   #20 
                 - HELLO? I don't care. Stop deflecting the point of the OP.  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 12:12 PM   #22 
           - Those are concrete buildings  hack89   Sep-01-09 12:08 PM   #18 
           - Deflect! Pwwww! nt  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 12:13 PM   #23 
              - I guess you can't answer the question? nt  hack89   Sep-01-09 02:17 PM   #32 
                 - Not at all, my position is that it has nothing to do with the OP.  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 02:41 PM   #33 
                    - Then why did you post those videos?  hack89   Sep-01-09 03:24 PM   #36 
                       - I said that a tipping object would fall in a predictable arc.  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 03:30 PM   #37 
                          - Again you miss the point  hack89   Sep-01-09 04:57 PM   #41 
                          - " So I playfully posted videos that show that they are rather sturdier than one might expect."  Realityhack   Sep-02-09 09:24 AM   #68 
                             - That is precisely one of the things that SOME people find odd.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 09:41 AM   #70 
                                - Well, it's not that odd to a lot of other people  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 02:01 PM   #112 
                                   - Again, this is not the point, but actually a sub-thread.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 02:04 PM   #114 
                                   - As I've said, it's possible but it's not simple  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 02:33 PM   #121 
                                      - Is the reverse possible?  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 02:39 PM   #122 
                                         - Try asking your question again  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 03:04 PM   #130 
                                            - I think you have answered well enough, thank you. n/t  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 03:05 PM   #131 
                                   - but...  tenseconds   Sep-03-09 08:58 AM   #146 
                                      - Especially not if it is shooting debris outwards at the same time! nt  Bonobo   Sep-03-09 12:09 PM   #148 
           - Those are reinforced concrete structures  jberryhill   Sep-01-09 12:09 PM   #19 
           - Deflect! Pwwww! nt  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 12:13 PM   #24 
           - It sounds as if they are geometrically opposed to discussing the subject. nt  lovepg   Sep-01-09 12:20 PM   #26 
              - Odd thing on a discussion board. Especially one devoted to discussing THIS subject.  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 12:24 PM   #27 
              - And your answer to his question is what?  jberryhill   Sep-01-09 08:26 PM   #48 
           - What I fail to understand is why you keep saying that.  Bonobo   Sep-01-09 12:19 PM   #25 
              - See my essay above about "simple questions"  jberryhill   Sep-01-09 05:58 PM   #45 
           - Deflect! Pwwww!  anigbrowl   Sep-01-09 02:54 PM   #34 
  - Since steel buildings are not in the habit of collapsing ..  Why Syzygy   Sep-01-09 12:41 PM   #29 
  - Um...  anigbrowl   Sep-01-09 03:04 PM   #35 
     - oops  Why Syzygy   Sep-01-09 03:45 PM   #38 
     - You can't fool me. You're part of the global Swine Flu illuminati!  anigbrowl   Sep-01-09 03:50 PM   #39 
     - I don't see any rebar.  Why Syzygy   Sep-01-09 05:01 PM   #42 
        - Oh dear oh dear  anigbrowl   Sep-01-09 05:46 PM   #44 
           - Hell no.  Why Syzygy   Sep-01-09 07:18 PM   #46 
              - So, although I've provided you with evidence that the building is in fact made out of concrete...  anigbrowl   Sep-01-09 07:29 PM   #47 
              - Exactly who the hell  Why Syzygy   Sep-01-09 09:20 PM   #52 
                 - Oh, poutrage  anigbrowl   Sep-01-09 10:00 PM   #53 
                    - If that's the the mental process  Why Syzygy   Sep-01-09 10:10 PM   #54 
                       - Well, let's see  anigbrowl   Sep-01-09 10:28 PM   #57 
                       - So what that the report mentions concrete????  lovepg   Sep-01-09 11:51 PM   #58 
                          - When it's the main descriptive adjective  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 12:08 AM   #60 
                          - I finally followed the link.  Why Syzygy   Sep-02-09 09:13 AM   #65 
                             - Form the link YOU posted "...An old flour factory... " n/t  Realityhack   Sep-02-09 09:22 AM   #67 
                                - We've got to go with  Why Syzygy   Sep-02-09 10:08 AM   #71 
                                   - Nope but nice try.  Realityhack   Sep-02-09 11:47 AM   #95 
                                      - Well first...  Why Syzygy   Sep-02-09 12:07 PM   #99 
                                         - I was wondering how long it would take for you to ask that question  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 12:59 PM   #103 
                                         - Why would we be interested  Why Syzygy   Sep-02-09 01:12 PM   #104 
                                         - "You haven't provided any evidence here regarding concrete falling differently than steel."  Realityhack   Sep-02-09 01:22 PM   #108 
                                         - All I posted  Why Syzygy   Sep-02-09 01:57 PM   #111 
                                         - They are called verbs in Japanese. You put endings on them to change the meaning.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 02:13 PM   #115 
                                         - Like Spanish ..  Why Syzygy   Sep-02-09 02:43 PM   #123 
                                         - I find it hard to believe you are serious  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 01:49 PM   #110 
                                         - It is not EXACTLY what I asked but close.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 02:22 PM   #117 
                                         - Now you're being rather dishonest  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 02:46 PM   #124 
                                         - Tell me the mass of each peice of debris  vincent_vega_lives   Sep-03-09 12:15 PM   #149 
                                         - I can do that.  Bonobo   Sep-03-09 12:21 PM   #150 
                                         - And.....?  vincent_vega_lives   Sep-04-09 08:13 AM   #165 
                                         - I actually have an interesting thing I have been reading...  Bonobo   Sep-04-09 09:24 AM   #166 
                                         - Yes it can certainly be calculated  vincent_vega_lives   Sep-04-09 09:32 AM   #167 
                                         - With that information...  Bonobo   Sep-04-09 09:39 AM   #168 
                                         - Theoretical?  vincent_vega_lives   Sep-04-09 11:58 AM   #170 
                                         - Not to mention the missing information...  Realityhack   Sep-04-09 12:15 PM   #171 
                       - you accused him of misrepresenting what you posted  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-02-09 05:28 AM   #62 
                          - *snarf*  Why Syzygy   Sep-02-09 09:10 AM   #64 
                             - Actually from the English article and the second paragraph it appears it was a flour mill...  Realityhack   Sep-02-09 09:21 AM   #66 
              - yes they were regarding the structure  vincent_vega_lives   Sep-01-09 08:34 PM   #49 
                 - UMMMM so all the desks ,office,furniture, people , file cabinets, mini fridges,...  lovepg   Sep-01-09 11:55 PM   #59 
                    - 'load bearing' is an engineering term  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 12:18 AM   #61 
                    - sure  vincent_vega_lives   Sep-02-09 09:31 AM   #69 
                       - No but all the floors were concrete and they are a big part of the structure....  lovepg   Sep-02-09 11:36 AM   #93 
                          - This is why lay people have difficulty discussing things with engineers.  Realityhack   Sep-02-09 11:49 AM   #96 
                             - Wouldn't even structural concrete be steel reinforced??? nt  lovepg   Sep-02-09 01:21 PM   #107 
                                - HELL YES!  Why Syzygy   Sep-02-09 02:01 PM   #113 
                                   - So then you are saying the Concrete building is essentialy a steel building...  lovepg   Sep-02-09 02:46 PM   #125 
                                      - I'm not an official people.  Why Syzygy   Sep-02-09 02:58 PM   #127 
                                         - Excuse me no offense meant. But they are both steel framed buildings no?  lovepg   Sep-02-09 03:02 PM   #129 
                                            - Yes.  Why Syzygy   Sep-02-09 03:09 PM   #132 
                                               - Hmmm....are you sure about that?  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 03:19 PM   #134 
                                               - I'm going to save  Why Syzygy   Sep-02-09 04:08 PM   #136 
                                               - Who would have thought that simple factual questions could be so stresful.  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 04:28 PM   #137 
     - That isn't a steel-framed building. n/t  SDuderstadt   Sep-02-09 12:20 PM   #100 
     - Apparently, he believes the H1N1 vaccination program is a "demolition" of some kind...  jberryhill   Sep-01-09 08:44 PM   #50 
        - Sleuth you are not.  Why Syzygy   Sep-01-09 09:18 PM   #51 
  - A Serious Question For You...  jberryhill   Sep-02-09 10:18 AM   #72 
  - It may be serious, but...  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 10:26 AM   #74 
     - Funny you should ask....  jberryhill   Sep-02-09 10:33 AM   #76 
        - You missed the point.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 10:34 AM   #77 
        - Ah..... and now you understand the function of peer review  jberryhill   Sep-02-09 10:38 AM   #78 
           - I always did, don't be silly. Why have YOU been arguing as if such a thing does not exist?  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 10:51 AM   #80 
           - If you were prepared to admit this, why post #76?  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 11:04 AM   #81 
        - I have not rejected anything but that is immaterial here. Don't change the subject.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 10:50 AM   #79 
  - Alternatively, (simulations)  anigbrowl   Sep-02-09 03:15 PM   #133 
     - Thank you (re Y axis). I just became aware of this myself.  Bonobo   Sep-02-09 05:40 PM   #139 
     - where is the south tower simulation where half the plane goes out the side but ..  lovepg   Sep-02-09 11:38 PM   #141 
        - I doubt if modeling something that appears to have only occurred in your imagination...  Make7   Sep-03-09 01:24 AM   #142 
        - Its NISTs imagination read the report. Oh no I am sounding like an official story person..Nt  lovepg   Sep-03-09 01:25 AM   #143 
           - Then you should have no problem producing a direct quote stating "half the plane goes out the side."  Make7   Sep-03-09 01:51 AM   #144 
              - Oh good grief if you do not believe me look at the damn video. Its obvious..  lovepg   Sep-03-09 10:35 AM   #147 
                 - Ahem...  anigbrowl   Sep-03-09 12:35 PM   #151 
                 - Ohhh And post 142 was not snarky???  lovepg   Sep-03-09 01:02 PM   #152 
                    - It's up to you whether you want to have a discussion or trade punches.  anigbrowl   Sep-03-09 04:12 PM   #153 
                       - Lecturing instead of discussing especially when you started it is just another way  lovepg   Sep-03-09 10:47 PM   #158 
                 - The NIST report  Why Syzygy   Sep-03-09 07:59 PM   #154 
                 - It doesn't?  AZCat   Sep-03-09 08:29 PM   #155 
                 - If you post a link  Why Syzygy   Sep-03-09 10:43 PM   #157 
                    - Sure thing.  AZCat   Sep-03-09 11:49 PM   #161 
                 - There's no other way to say this, but...  SDuderstadt   Sep-03-09 10:05 PM   #156 
                 - But But But How can they say exactly how many core columns were taken out then?  lovepg   Sep-03-09 10:49 PM   #159 
                    - Not important ....  Why Syzygy   Sep-03-09 11:46 PM   #160 
                       - Well my point was kinda that the computer models used were how many columns..  lovepg   Sep-04-09 12:12 AM   #162 
                          - So is  Why Syzygy   Sep-04-09 12:34 AM   #163 
                             - Exactly! Nt  lovepg   Sep-04-09 11:27 AM   #169 
                 - It is precisely because I have watched the videos that I don't believe you.  Make7   Sep-04-09 03:42 AM   #164 
                    - What are you a no planer??? You can see the plane exploding out the side.  lovepg   Sep-05-09 01:20 PM   #172 
                       - Do you believe the plane was made of jet fuel?  Make7   Sep-05-09 04:42 PM   #173 
                          - The right Engine from that plane was found on top of a police car blocks away.  lovepg   Sep-05-09 05:19 PM   #174 
                             - So then you believe the plane was just two engines and nothing else?  Make7   Sep-05-09 07:25 PM   #175 
                                - Show how NIST proves this assertion. Can you prove...  lovepg   Sep-05-09 10:26 PM   #176 
                                   - you simply moved the goalposts  OnTheOtherHand   Sep-06-09 06:31 AM   #177 
                                   - The only one in this conversation demanding anything is you.  Make7   Sep-06-09 02:11 PM   #178 
        - I dunno, write and ask them  anigbrowl   Sep-03-09 02:12 AM   #145 
 

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