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130. In Theory This Is Correct, But NIST Did Precious Little...
forensic testing of the steel to corroborate the claim of loss of tensile strength. IIRC they may have found one piece of steel exposed to temperatures high enough and long enough that it underwent a fifty percent loss of tensile strength. If my recollection is even ballpark correct, that is not convincing evidence that the structures underwent meaningful loss of tensile strength. Sure, NIST's theory of the collapse is within the realm of plausiblity even given the paucity of corroborating physical evidence, but it is far from convincing.
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  -9/11: Science and Conspiracy - National Geographic Bolo Boffin  Aug-20-09 11:29 PM   #0 
  - Cool. Thank you, National Geographic. nt  greyl   Aug-21-09 12:02 AM   #1 
  - NG is terrible  pfloydguy7750   Sep-11-09 06:20 PM   #174 
     - Then, don't watch it...  SDuderstadt   Sep-12-09 04:44 PM   #176 
  - This ought to be required viewing for "truthers", however...  SDuderstadt   Aug-21-09 12:07 AM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-09 12:04 AM   #153 
     - I like OCTer  JuniperLea   Sep-09-09 04:37 PM   #161 
     - Joining NoSheep in the genetic fallacy Jacuzzi?  Bolo Boffin   Sep-09-09 04:38 PM   #162 
        - Where did I say anything that could be construed as such?  JuniperLea   Sep-09-09 04:41 PM   #163 
           - So you don't accept NoSheep's argument that  Bolo Boffin   Sep-09-09 04:46 PM   #164 
              - My but you can embellish and embroider!  JuniperLea   Sep-10-09 11:04 AM   #165 
                 - Well, do you or don't you? Simple question.  Bolo Boffin   Sep-10-09 09:48 PM   #167 
     - Yeah, I do...  SDuderstadt   Sep-11-09 12:22 PM   #168 
  - Ahhh guys there are a few things......  lovepg   Aug-21-09 01:28 AM   #3 
  - "this is not the group I would choose for an impartial study on this subject!"  LARED   Aug-21-09 04:51 AM   #4 
  - Why a group not dependent on government purse strings that was not trying to  lovepg   Aug-21-09 11:39 AM   #6 
     - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Aug-21-09 11:47 AM   #7 
     - Turner  Kesha   Aug-24-09 05:53 PM   #55 
        - Can you please provide proof of your rather silly claim, dude?  SDuderstadt   Aug-24-09 06:20 PM   #61 
     - According to Truthers  hack89   Aug-21-09 02:21 PM   #9 
     - Yeah thats exactly what i said, boy talk about mischaracterization.....  lovepg   Aug-21-09 11:04 PM   #15 
        - So another country is the only solution  hack89   Aug-22-09 06:28 AM   #21 
           - Sure. Germany  Kesha   Aug-24-09 06:36 PM   #64 
     - Ah, Yes, We Need Demolition Experts Who Never Had A Government Contract  jberryhill   Aug-21-09 03:15 PM   #10 
     - So all demolition experts across the globe take money from our government?  lovepg   Aug-21-09 11:06 PM   #16 
        - Ask the Chinese!  Kesha   Aug-22-09 08:10 AM   #22 
           - why didn't they just fly a plane into it then it would have just collapsed on its own ?? NT  lovepg   Aug-22-09 03:00 PM   #24 
           - It's bullshit like this that...  SDuderstadt   Aug-22-09 11:48 PM   #29 
           - Seriously do you know how many of these stupid vapid statements you make?  lovepg   Aug-23-09 04:48 AM   #31 
              - why don't you send me some of yours...  SDuderstadt   Aug-23-09 09:38 AM   #34 
                 - You made the silly comment,,,.  Kesha   Aug-23-09 11:28 AM   #36 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-23-09 07:45 PM   #45 
                 - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Aug-23-09 07:49 PM   #46 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-23-09 07:51 PM   #47 
                       - Look, if you don't have your little report done, we...  SDuderstadt   Aug-23-09 08:04 PM   #48 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-20-09 07:25 PM   #180 
           - It's pure concrete construction  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-24-09 12:05 PM   #50 
           - Huh how bout that  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-23-09 11:40 AM   #38 
              - They are just Chinese...  Kesha   Aug-23-09 02:04 PM   #39 
              - This could be quite a boon to the building demolition industry.....  lovepg   Aug-23-09 02:13 PM   #40 
              - Crude oil is getting cheap...  Kesha   Aug-23-09 02:23 PM   #42 
              - Wow you have quite the opinion of yourself  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-23-09 07:38 PM   #43 
              - Excellenent!  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-23-09 07:40 PM   #44 
                 - Oh no they are sick-ing the pirate on me now. ARRRRRGGGGGGG.  lovepg   Aug-23-09 09:18 PM   #49 
              - It also does not appear to be 'top down' as advertised.  Realityhack   Aug-24-09 03:47 PM   #51 
     - What past incident making the government story look bad? nt  LARED   Aug-21-09 05:14 PM   #13 
     - The incident where he said the towers contained explosives on 911. nt  lovepg   Aug-21-09 11:07 PM   #17 
     - LARED: gross criminal incompentence on behalf of the Bush administration?  Old and In the Way   Sep-20-09 07:29 PM   #181 
     - Exactly...1st imprssions mean something,  Old and In the Way   Sep-20-09 07:20 PM   #179 
  - Look up the ''genetic fallacy''...  SDuderstadt   Aug-21-09 07:53 AM   #5 
  - I looked up genetic fallacy.....It talked about the virgin birth! nt  lovepg   Aug-22-09 03:02 PM   #25 
     - If people point out Jesus' virgin birth as a reason to accept his word on spiritual matters  Bolo Boffin   Aug-22-09 03:22 PM   #26 
     - AHHHHH but many do. some are even SCIENTISTS!!  lovepg   Aug-23-09 02:15 PM   #41 
     - And, once more, you prove you're not a serious...  SDuderstadt   Aug-22-09 11:46 PM   #28 
        - And once again you prove you think this post is high school debate club.Nt  lovepg   Aug-23-09 04:45 AM   #30 
           - Nobody would mistake your posts...  Realityhack   Aug-24-09 03:49 PM   #52 
              - lol nt  greyl   Aug-24-09 06:03 PM   #58 
  - As I said in the OP, NG put their co-workers and a field trip onto Flight 77.  Bolo Boffin   Aug-21-09 02:16 PM   #8 
  - This Is A Recurring Theme Of Late  jberryhill   Aug-21-09 03:16 PM   #11 
  - Talk to BuddyBoy...  SDuderstadt   Aug-21-09 05:18 PM   #14 
  - Do you really mean that?  BuddyBoy   Aug-22-09 08:11 AM   #23 
     - Aren't you the one claiming  LARED   Aug-23-09 07:57 AM   #33 
  - Hello earthling I come to you from planet Bolo in the Boffin system!  lovepg   Aug-21-09 11:13 PM   #18 
  - I spend my time on a planet where we know that Rupert Murdoch owns the channel.  NoSheep   Sep-09-09 12:06 AM   #154 
  - And so they'd help cover up the death of kids placed under their care and their colleagues?  Bolo Boffin   Sep-09-09 01:11 AM   #155 
  - Are you kidding?  NoSheep   Sep-09-09 01:21 AM   #156 
     - No, I'm not fucking kidding. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Sep-09-09 02:00 AM   #157 
        - Do you think the man who controls all this cares about the details of individual human lives?  NoSheep   Sep-09-09 02:08 AM   #158 
           - I'm not talking about Rupert Murdoch.  Bolo Boffin   Sep-09-09 02:13 AM   #159 
              - The planet where people don't believe everything they see on TV.  NoSheep   Sep-09-09 02:30 AM   #160 
  - Rupert Murdoch doesn't "own" the channel...  SDuderstadt   Sep-11-09 12:25 PM   #169 
  - Bolo Buffin: gross criminal incompentence on behalf of the Bush administration? 3000+ people died  Old and In the Way   Sep-20-09 07:31 PM   #182 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-25-09 12:35 AM   #68 
  - God Gage is quite the kool aid drinker (n/t)  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-21-09 03:41 PM   #12 
  - So now it's not "paint chips". Holy inconsistency, Batman! nt  Bonobo   Aug-21-09 11:20 PM   #19 
  - Of course what Steven Jones has identified as thermite is actually paint chips.  Bolo Boffin   Aug-21-09 11:48 PM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-22-09 05:31 PM   #27 
  - Notice how they took into account...  Xenotime   Aug-23-09 07:24 AM   # 
  - And they'd have gotten away with it if it weren't for you lousy kids!  Bolo Boffin   Aug-23-09 11:19 AM   #35 
  - May want to reconsider listening to "that"  vincent_vega_lives   Aug-23-09 11:36 AM   #37 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-23-09 07:24 AM   #32 
  - The tragically flawed program by National Geographic  rschop   Aug-24-09 05:34 PM   #53 
  - Um, Dude...  SDuderstadt   Aug-24-09 05:42 PM   #54 
  - dude, It's against DU rules to question a member's motives.  BuddyBoy   Aug-24-09 06:00 PM   #56 
     - I'm glad that after 455 posts, you've finally figured that out. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Aug-24-09 06:02 PM   #57 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-24-09 06:09 PM   #60 
        - Could you please tell us what the fuck you're talking about...  SDuderstadt   Aug-24-09 06:21 PM   #62 
           - Most people know it's against the rules to question another ...  BuddyBoy   Aug-24-09 06:35 PM   #63 
              - Well, lucky for you then, dude...  SDuderstadt   Aug-24-09 06:41 PM   #65 
                 - The dishonesty of your post didn't escape me at all.  BuddyBoy   Aug-24-09 06:48 PM   #66 
                    - Maybe the part where I explained that commercial use of DU violates the rules...  SDuderstadt   Aug-24-09 07:14 PM   #67 
                       - Yes it is!  rschop   Sep-10-09 03:08 PM   #166 
     - Dude...  SDuderstadt   Aug-24-09 06:07 PM   #59 
  - After watching this, it just reconfirms exactly, what I wrote before seeing this program!  rschop   Sep-01-09 02:21 PM   #76 
     - Sorry, dude...  SDuderstadt   Sep-01-09 03:17 PM   #77 
  - THE STORY BEHIND 9/11: HIT OR MYTH?  Ohio Joe   Aug-29-09 01:07 PM   #69 
  - Programming note: If you miss it at 9:00 pm Eastern, you can catch it again at midnight Eastern.  Bolo Boffin   Aug-29-09 02:53 PM   #70 
  - How's it going? Everybody happy?  Bolo Boffin   Aug-31-09 08:54 PM   #72 
     - Haven't had a chance to watch it.  AZCat   Aug-31-09 11:38 PM   #74 
  - Sounds interesting.  rj5690   Aug-29-09 05:08 PM   #71 
  - oh man. lots of cool explosions!!!  peacefulrevolution   Aug-31-09 09:50 PM   #73 
     - DRG wouldn't have the first clue  vincent_vega_lives   Sep-01-09 04:59 AM   #75 
  - Their comments section seems oddly familiar...  Make7   Sep-01-09 06:52 PM   #78 
  - Anyone watching "911: Science and Conspiracy." on National Geographic cable channel?  Mika   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #79 
  - "It's totally cool. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)  SpiralHawk   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #80 
  - deer in the headlights look  Parche   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #83 
  - "9/11 was Evil Chickenhawkery. Sneer." - xVP Dickie "Five-Military-Deferments' Cheney (R)  SpiralHawk   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #114 
  - sorry watching Rachel, as always  Motown_Johnny   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #81 
  - Utter bs-a-thon ! 50% Faux-snooze ownership  EVDebs   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #82 
  - Thanks for the info... I'll now know to take that channel with a grain of salt!  RoccoR5955   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #84 
  - It's actually doing a good job of showing both sides.  tridim   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #85 
  - Good job?  arcadian   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #87 
     - I didn't say the other side is right..  tridim   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #91 
     - How would YOU do it, dude? n/t  SDuderstadt   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #129 
  - Acting like 2 sides to it, Bush side and a nut side, take your choice.  Festivito   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #86 
  - K and R - flippin' AWESOME. Of course it won't be good enough for the hardcore truthers  Maru Kitteh   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #88 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #89 
  - Projection?  RufusTFirefly   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #92 
     - You got me. I tend to lend greater credit to teams of scientists without an agenda  Maru Kitteh   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #98 
        - Whack-jobs with an agenda?! Bwahaha! Guess what? You're a conspiracy theorist!  RufusTFirefly   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #99 
  - Sorry, but this show is a snow job.  arcadian   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #90 
  - They do have an agenda - Science.  NutmegYankee   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #93 
  - Yeah right, science...  arcadian   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #95 
     - Post proof please.  NutmegYankee   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #110 
        - The proof is in the magazine.  arcadian   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #126 
           - +1 ... More than just "an American publication" .. proud member of the mighty Wurlitzer  Democracyinkind   Sep-02-09 06:12 PM   #136 
           - That is called opinion.  NutmegYankee   Sep-05-09 12:58 AM   #142 
  - You know  Generator   Sep-07-09 12:50 PM   #149 
  - All you need for MIHOP is dark actors laundering money to  Norrin Radd   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #94 
  - No mention at all of pre-9/11 warnings in their "timelines"  Individualist   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #96 
  - nothing on Building 7 either, they forgot about that too.  Whisp   Sep-20-09 12:51 PM   #177 
  - Second half is awful, propaganda  tridim   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #97 
  - I think the idea that the pentagon and the WTC were hit by anything other than airplanes  XemaSab   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #100 
  - Then why don't we see  Politicalboi   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #105 
     - Defend against what military threat?  hack89   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #119 
  - If it doesn't affirm that Bush personally planted thermite...  SidDithers   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #101 
  - utter bullshit!  wildbilln864   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #102 
  - You know better than this, wildbill.  Bolo Boffin   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #121 
     - and more bullshit! nt  wildbilln864   Sep-01-09 08:02 PM   #131 
  - right, there is no other possible way that bush and crew could have been involved, even remotely  ima_sinnic   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #116 
     - No one I know of is saying that "Bush and crew" could not possibly have been involved...  SDuderstadt   Sep-02-09 11:37 AM   #133 
  - |  ZombieHorde   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #103 
  - Total BS  Politicalboi   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #104 
  - Big ol' pile of steaming bullshit  CrawlingChaos   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #106 
  - I wonder if the reason this thread hasn't been moved to The Dungeon is because the program  TheWatcher   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #107 
  - This thread has been moved to the dungeon.  Bolo Boffin   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #122 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #128 
  - Saw it - It was a total joke (also NatGeo Coupled this Broadcast with Graphic Saddam Footage)...  Indi Guy   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #108 
  - add one more: the pre-911 stockmarket  Whisp   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #120 
  - Sorry, I don't watch corporate politburo programs on 9-11.  HughBeaumont   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #109 
  - De-bunkers should at least address what they're attempting to "de-bunk"...  Indi Guy   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #112 
  - The steel beams didn't need to be heated to a point where they'd easily bend. They just needed to  4lbs   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #111 
  - Why did WTC #7 Fall into its Footprint?  Indi Guy   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #113 
  - How else would it fall?  hack89   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #118 
  - It wouldn't have....  wildbilln864   Sep-02-09 07:24 PM   #139 
  - Answer  vincent_vega_lives   Sep-01-09 08:43 PM   #132 
  - Pretty sure you are wasting your words.  Mystayya   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #115 
  - In Theory This Is Correct, But NIST Did Precious Little...  Fainter   Sep-01-09 08:02 PM   #130 
  - Gotta love the truthers.  chrisa   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #117 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #123 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #124 
        - Thank you for providing the perfect example of something the program was talking about.  Bolo Boffin   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #125 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-01-09 08:01 PM   #127 
  - This might be a big straw man distraction.  VioletLake   Sep-02-09 05:53 PM   #134 
  - Well, if OBL was a "double-agent"...  SDuderstadt   Sep-02-09 05:59 PM   #135 
     - As far as conspiracy theories go...  VioletLake   Sep-02-09 06:30 PM   #137 
     - And I explained why it wasn't...  SDuderstadt   Sep-02-09 06:54 PM   #138 
     - It isn’t an easy argument to make...  VioletLake   Sep-03-09 04:57 PM   #140 
        - Great....  SDuderstadt   Sep-03-09 05:06 PM   #141 
  - Don't you know that Fox owns half of National Geographic?  RoccoR5955   Sep-05-09 08:00 PM   #143 
  - So Fox owning half of NG negates them putting kids and co-workers onto Flight 77?  Bolo Boffin   Sep-05-09 08:03 PM   #144 
     - Bushco, Inc. had bigger plans than to care about WE THE PEOPLE  RoccoR5955   Sep-06-09 08:14 AM   #145 
        - "They couldn't give a gnat's testicle about kids and co-workers."  Bolo Boffin   Sep-06-09 11:43 AM   #146 
  - NatGeo aired the prgram last night, First time I saw it.  LARED   Sep-06-09 11:51 AM   #147 
  - Well, it's all he's got these day.  Bolo Boffin   Sep-06-09 12:54 PM   #148 
  - I watched it one through as well, and it was clearly set-up as a hit piece...  truebrit71   Sep-11-09 03:11 PM   #170 
     - Those fires started when the debris from the North Tower slammed into 7.  Bolo Boffin   Sep-11-09 03:13 PM   #171 
  - The Recent National Geographic Channel TV Hit Piece on 9/11 "Truthers"  spooked911   Sep-08-09 05:23 PM   #150 
  - I don't think I realized until now how bizarre your beliefs truly are.  AZCat   Sep-08-09 07:22 PM   #151 
     - That post is definitely an award winner if the measure  LARED   Sep-08-09 08:55 PM   #152 
  - everyone I know questions this day  fascisthunter   Sep-11-09 03:49 PM   #172 
  - Or you have to ignore the evidence to...  SDuderstadt   Sep-12-09 04:43 PM   #175 
  - nonsense  pfloydguy7750   Sep-11-09 06:20 PM   #173 
  - There was no flight 77  aronbehar   Sep-20-09 02:23 PM   #178 
 

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