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Sat Dec-11-04 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #106 |
| 107. That's what I mean (regarding lack of info) |
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It is possible that Hanjour was not piloting the aircraft when it crashed into the Pentagon. It is possible that the aircraft went through maneuvers too complex for Hanjour to execute. But there does seem to be a lack of information regarding either the flight path of the aircraft prior to crash or why Hanjour didn't qualify as a pilot.
While they (the pilots who have expressed opinions regarding Hanjour's ability to execute said maneuvers) may be correct that Hanjour would not have been able to do this, I believe that until more information surfaces, such opinions are still just speculation. I do not, however, claim that they are wrong - hence my statement that they might be right.
I apologise if I am not clear when explaining my position.
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| -Two questions to MercutioATC (and RH too) |
FannySS |
Nov-26-04 04:54 PM |
#0 |
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"could it direct a 757 on the facade at plus/minus 1 or 2 meters?" |
Old and In the Way |
Nov-26-04 05:24 PM |
#1 |
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That´s not my point... |
FannySS |
Nov-26-04 05:35 PM |
#2 |
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Hani bothering |
John Doe II |
Nov-27-04 03:31 AM |
#8 |
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I have not yet any data |
RH |
Nov-27-04 07:45 AM |
#11 |
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Commission Report |
John Doe II |
Nov-27-04 09:52 AM |
#12 |
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Huh? |
RH |
Nov-27-04 02:31 PM |
#15 |
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Huh! |
John Doe II |
Nov-27-04 03:20 PM |
#18 |
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radius |
Make7 |
Nov-27-04 06:12 PM |
#19 |
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Cryptic |
k-robjoe |
Nov-28-04 08:31 AM |
#21 |
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A 330 degree turn... |
Make7 |
Nov-29-04 02:59 AM |
#25 |
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Intended target or change of plan |
John Doe II |
Nov-29-04 04:24 AM |
#27 |
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The plane was lined up |
RH |
Nov-29-04 09:20 AM |
#33 |
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Could it be, that .. |
FannySS |
Nov-29-04 10:07 AM |
#35 |
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As far as I know |
John Doe II |
Nov-29-04 11:41 AM |
#39 |
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Olson was informed, and |
FannySS |
Nov-29-04 12:00 PM |
#40 |
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No, I'm not a pilot |
John Doe II |
Nov-29-04 12:46 PM |
#41 |
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Consider the geography. |
RH |
Nov-29-04 07:57 PM |
#45 |
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Towards the sun |
John Doe II |
Dec-01-04 07:22 AM |
#56 |
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Ok |
John Doe II |
Nov-29-04 10:58 AM |
#38 |
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turn |
k-robjoe |
Nov-29-04 08:38 AM |
#31 |
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So why not |
RH |
Nov-29-04 09:10 AM |
#32 |
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Stall |
k-robjoe |
Dec-07-04 09:31 AM |
#73 |
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Is there any evidence that places Hani at the controls of FL 77? |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-07-04 09:39 AM |
#74 |
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I have seen nothing |
RH |
Dec-07-04 10:25 AM |
#75 |
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I actually had a similar discussion about a month ago |
AZCat |
Dec-07-04 10:34 AM |
#77 |
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Hani "The Boy Wonder" pilot WAS allegedly landing |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-07-04 11:24 AM |
#78 |
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That's a complete misrepresentation. |
MercutioATC |
Dec-07-04 12:26 PM |
#79 |
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Any misrepresentation is in YOUR message, Mr - not mine.. |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-07-04 01:03 PM |
#80 |
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You're still avoiding the issue. |
MercutioATC |
Dec-07-04 02:02 PM |
#81 |
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion. (even if it isn't just yours |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-07-04 03:59 PM |
#85 |
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As are you. |
MercutioATC |
Dec-07-04 08:30 PM |
#88 |
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Here we go again with another UNPROVEN, false premise. |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-07-04 09:20 PM |
#89 |
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Unproven and false? Like a missile? |
MercutioATC |
Dec-08-04 05:45 AM |
#90 |
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The pilot wasn't landing in the normal sense |
AZCat |
Dec-07-04 02:49 PM |
#82 |
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Yes, pilots (with senority in the majors) are paid a lot. |
MercutioATC |
Dec-07-04 03:01 PM |
#83 |
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I deal mostly with part 135 and JAA pilots |
AZCat |
Dec-07-04 03:14 PM |
#84 |
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I'm not too concerned about the rat brain... |
MercutioATC |
Dec-07-04 08:19 PM |
#87 |
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NOTHING was normal about Hani's flying skills, were they? |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-07-04 04:03 PM |
#86 |
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Tell you what, Abe... |
MercutioATC |
Dec-08-04 06:04 AM |
#91 |
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Maybe you could try out this |
k-robjoe |
Dec-11-04 08:55 AM |
#92 |
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Looks like the hard way... |
tngledwebb |
Dec-11-04 10:43 AM |
#94 |
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How do you work that out? |
RH |
Dec-11-04 02:54 PM |
#99 |
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We don´t know |
k-robjoe |
Dec-11-04 04:07 PM |
#102 |
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Hasn't "Mercutio ATC" referred you to the ASCE report yet? |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-11-04 03:09 PM |
#100 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-11-04 07:04 PM |
#103 |
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What falls away -- or disappears into the electronic ink wastebasket |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-11-04 07:25 PM |
#105 |
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You're an intelligent man, Abe. Just respond to the ASCE report. |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 02:15 AM |
#111 |
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Isn't the definition of insanity... |
AZCat |
Dec-12-04 02:23 AM |
#112 |
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Point taken. I'm just an idealist. |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 02:31 AM |
#113 |
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No problem |
AZCat |
Dec-12-04 02:39 AM |
#114 |
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Thanks. |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 02:44 AM |
#115 |
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Sure! The same goes here |
AZCat |
Dec-12-04 02:52 AM |
#116 |
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Sim time (even just observing) would be really cool. |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 02:59 AM |
#117 |
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We've got a whole crop of sims |
AZCat |
Dec-12-04 03:08 AM |
#118 |
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Just let me know...I've lived here for the past 29 years (since I was 8). |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 03:14 AM |
#119 |
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Yeah - that would be great |
AZCat |
Dec-12-04 03:24 AM |
#120 |
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Looking forward to it...(BTW, I live in Westlake) |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 03:28 AM |
#121 |
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Repeatedly responding to legitimate questions by referring to a ....... |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-12-04 09:43 AM |
#128 |
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What standard or criteria |
RH |
Dec-12-04 10:53 AM |
#133 |
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Sure, I'll go on the record regarding the ASCE report |
AZCat |
Dec-13-04 03:30 PM |
#176 |
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Pentagon Building Damage Assessment Report |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-13-04 03:35 PM |
#177 |
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Wow - that was fast. |
AZCat |
Dec-13-04 03:41 PM |
#179 |
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Thanks for the compliment. Since you ASCE, read this. |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-12-04 09:22 AM |
#127 |
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So which of the ASCE reports conclusions do you disagree with, and why? |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 10:01 AM |
#130 |
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The ASCE report is propaganda. So, why would you ask such a question? |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-12-04 10:55 AM |
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So you don't have a response? |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 11:06 AM |
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The sole purpose of the ASCE report was to provide cover for a lie. |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-12-04 11:14 AM |
#137 |
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The purpose of the ASCE report was to reach conclusions on the damage |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 03:46 PM |
#141 |
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You could say the same thing about the "magic bullet theory" |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-12-04 04:00 PM |
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Ok, you said "magic bullet"...so you disagree with SPECIFICS of the |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 04:10 PM |
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ASCE report is propaganda. As w/WCR, it is BS from the get-go. |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-12-04 06:25 PM |
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So you can't refute any of the ASCE report's conclusions? |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 07:45 PM |
#152 |
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ASCE report is propaganda. It's "conclusions" don't mean anything. |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-12-04 08:00 PM |
#153 |
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You're the one who first mentioned the ASCE report in this thread... |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 08:56 PM |
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Official purpose of ASCE report ( Pentagon Bldg. Performance Report) |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-12-04 09:17 PM |
#156 |
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I have so many issues with that post that I don't know where to begin... |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 09:35 PM |
#157 |
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Wouldn't it be better if YOU could respond? I answered your question. |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-13-04 08:00 AM |
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M-atc: ASCE report question for you. (worthless report w/out an answer) |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-13-04 08:36 AM |
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The wings? They did the same thing as the fuselage... |
MercutioATC |
Dec-13-04 02:24 PM |
#171 |
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See. The ASCE report IS worthless re: evid. FL 77 crashed at Pentagon |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-13-04 02:43 PM |
#174 |
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Did we read the same report? |
MercutioATC |
Dec-13-04 04:39 PM |
#181 |
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Where does it say that the aircraft disintegrated in seconds? |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-13-04 05:16 PM |
#186 |
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Why are F-16 wings "allowed" to disintegrate and not 757 wings? |
MercutioATC |
Dec-13-04 09:00 PM |
#189 |
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NO wings, no wing debris, NO B757 crashed. ASCE report useless. |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-13-04 09:14 PM |
#190 |
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References |
Sweet Pea |
Dec-13-04 09:52 PM |
#191 |
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NO wings debris was found in photos taken hours before cleanup began. |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-13-04 04:02 PM |
#180 |
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Are you going to double-post in reply to ALL of my posts? |
MercutioATC |
Dec-13-04 04:43 PM |
#182 |
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Malleable wings. |
seatnineb |
Dec-13-04 04:47 PM |
#183 |
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And, remember what might be the "best" one of all: |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-13-04 05:07 PM |
#185 |
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Yeah..... |
seatnineb |
Dec-13-04 05:51 PM |
#187 |
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Speaking of the lampost brother Steve mentioned... |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-13-04 06:12 PM |
#188 |
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Graduate in Pentagon physics.... |
seatnineb |
Dec-14-04 10:25 AM |
#194 |
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As a highly--principled plenipotentiary unto himself, Ron will surely... |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-14-04 10:41 AM |
#195 |
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So..... |
Sweet Pea |
Dec-13-04 11:42 PM |
#192 |
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Here's a good book for you. I think you'll like it . |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-14-04 08:33 AM |
#193 |
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Ok again... |
Sweet Pea |
Dec-14-04 09:21 PM |
#196 |
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Ask where the F-16 wing pieces are at the Pentagon, Sweet Pea... |
MercutioATC |
Dec-15-04 05:51 AM |
#197 |
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The purpose was to REACH conclusions. |
tngledwebb |
Dec-13-04 11:13 AM |
#164 |
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Most investigations are performed to reach a conclusion. |
MercutioATC |
Dec-13-04 02:36 PM |
#173 |
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WHERE in the ASCE report does it say that it's purpose was to reach... |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-13-04 11:20 AM |
#165 |
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52 feet outside the building??? |
MercutioATC |
Dec-13-04 02:31 PM |
#172 |
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So, you won't respond to a legitimate question. What are you afraid of? |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-12-04 11:15 AM |
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I have no problem answering your question...will you answer mine? |
MercutioATC |
Dec-12-04 04:06 PM |
#143 |
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We don't have Boeing simulators at my center |
AZCat |
Dec-11-04 12:03 PM |
#95 |
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Microsoft |
k-robjoe |
Dec-11-04 02:45 PM |
#98 |
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Maybe the pilots are right |
AZCat |
Dec-11-04 07:21 PM |
#104 |
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How can they be right? |
RH |
Dec-11-04 08:14 PM |
#106 |
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That's what I mean (regarding lack of info) |
AZCat |
Dec-11-04 09:35 PM |
#107 |
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Just out of curiosity... |
Sweet Pea |
Dec-12-04 12:56 AM |
#108 |
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There are. I am not one of them |
AZCat |
Dec-12-04 01:37 AM |
#110 |
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I thought the projected flight path |
Sweet Pea |
Dec-12-04 01:12 AM |
#109 |
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You actually |
k-robjoe |
Dec-12-04 05:06 AM |
#122 |
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thrust the ground? |
RH |
Dec-12-04 07:09 AM |
#124 |
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Not sure if I get you right |
k-robjoe |
Dec-12-04 08:41 AM |
#125 |
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The poles are taller. |
RH |
Dec-12-04 10:39 AM |
#131 |
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Disagree |
k-robjoe |
Dec-12-04 01:30 PM |
#139 |
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I am astounded. |
RH |
Dec-12-04 02:28 PM |
#140 |
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One point |
k-robjoe |
Dec-12-04 05:23 PM |
#146 |
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Look at |
RH |
Dec-12-04 06:51 PM |
#150 |
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Very Interesting! |
k-robjoe |
Dec-13-04 04:07 AM |
#158 |
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Where are the 24/7 ubiquitous answerers |
tngledwebb |
Dec-13-04 11:34 AM |
#166 |
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Maybe they're hoping pesky 24/7 questioners of the OCT will go away.n/t |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-13-04 11:37 AM |
#167 |
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Or having a beer and a gab-fest |
tngledwebb |
Dec-13-04 11:40 AM |
#168 |
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Sorry Abe, while you are here... |
tngledwebb |
Dec-13-04 11:52 AM |
#169 |
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No, it doesn't make a bit of sense to me. But, that's nothing. I never.. |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-13-04 12:00 PM |
#170 |
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The same jet wake that Probst was immune to? |
seatnineb |
Dec-12-04 05:30 PM |
#147 |
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Confused with the mast |
RH |
Dec-12-04 06:11 PM |
#148 |
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That's right by my reckoning, |
RH |
Dec-12-04 06:58 AM |
#123 |
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The plane |
k-robjoe |
Dec-12-04 08:59 AM |
#126 |
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Now, there's a novel explanation if there ever was one. |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-12-04 09:48 AM |
#129 |
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Not novel. |
RH |
Dec-12-04 10:44 AM |
#132 |
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Abe Linkman agrees that the Official Conspiracy Theory is a lie. |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-12-04 11:03 AM |
#135 |
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I thought you were more familiar with the questions about all that. |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-12-04 06:51 PM |
#151 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-12-04 08:43 PM |
#154 |
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Ok...I'll bite |
Sweet Pea |
Dec-13-04 11:10 AM |
#163 |
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What about the helicopter? |
seatnineb |
Dec-13-04 03:07 PM |
#175 |
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Too much traffic might interfere with evidence planting |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-13-04 03:38 PM |
#178 |
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Indeed Abe..... |
seatnineb |
Dec-13-04 05:02 PM |
#184 |
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Amazing - you work for a flight simulator company, |
tngledwebb |
Dec-11-04 09:37 AM |
#93 |
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Yes and no |
AZCat |
Dec-11-04 12:21 PM |
#96 |
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Again, out of curiosity |
Sweet Pea |
Dec-12-04 04:24 PM |
#145 |
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I do not know |
RH |
Dec-07-04 10:29 AM |
#76 |
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Read the questions. |
RH |
Nov-28-04 05:48 AM |
#20 |
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I admit |
John Doe II |
Nov-28-04 03:16 PM |
#24 |
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"plus/minus 1 or 2 meters?" |
RH |
Nov-27-04 07:37 AM |
#10 |
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That's her words. |
Old and In the Way |
Nov-27-04 11:23 AM |
#13 |
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See post #2 |
RH |
Nov-27-04 02:42 PM |
#16 |
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If anybody |
RH |
Nov-26-04 08:36 PM |
#3 |
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power elite |
demodewd |
Nov-26-04 11:29 PM |
#4 |
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I am not aware |
RH |
Nov-27-04 07:18 AM |
#9 |
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re:great lengths |
demodewd |
Nov-27-04 02:18 PM |
#14 |
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What is NO "red herring"? |
FannySS |
Nov-29-04 05:25 AM |
#29 |
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I dont know who did it. |
RH |
Nov-29-04 08:20 PM |
#46 |
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What do you think of the Bin Laden tapes? (nt) |
FannySS |
Nov-29-04 08:53 PM |
#47 |
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Which of the tapes? |
RH |
Nov-30-04 10:33 AM |
#52 |
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I doubt OBL knew any details |
TO Kid |
Nov-30-04 12:26 PM |
#54 |
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Answers (as best I can provide them). |
MercutioATC |
Nov-27-04 12:04 AM |
#5 |
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what about NORAD? |
demodewd |
Nov-27-04 01:04 AM |
#6 |
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More answers: |
MercutioATC |
Nov-27-04 01:23 AM |
#7 |
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intercepts |
demodewd |
Nov-27-04 02:46 PM |
#17 |
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Laypersons often don't understand this... |
MercutioATC |
Nov-29-04 10:21 PM |
#48 |
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Good sumarization, Mercutio n/t |
Sweet Pea |
Nov-28-04 09:42 AM |
#22 |
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my reason to ask: |
FannySS |
Nov-28-04 09:54 AM |
#23 |
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Predictability |
RH |
Nov-29-04 04:01 AM |
#26 |
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Interesting! |
John Doe II |
Nov-29-04 04:27 AM |
#28 |
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Stress |
John Doe II |
Dec-01-04 07:26 AM |
#57 |
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I'm not a professional, and I don't play one on DU, |
tngledwebb |
Dec-01-04 10:19 AM |
#60 |
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There is a ground effect, |
RH |
Dec-01-04 01:34 PM |
#66 |
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I don´t understand you |
FannySS |
Nov-29-04 05:27 AM |
#30 |
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Heed the evidence. |
RH |
Nov-29-04 09:23 AM |
#34 |
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Well, |
tngledwebb |
Nov-29-04 10:26 AM |
#36 |
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Your failure |
RH |
Nov-29-04 07:42 PM |
#43 |
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You mean some fallen lamp posts |
tngledwebb |
Nov-30-04 04:21 AM |
#50 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-30-04 10:04 AM |
#51 |
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But since what you say so often fits your personal attack, so be it. |
tngledwebb |
Nov-30-04 11:40 AM |
#53 |
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I mean what I say. |
RH |
Nov-30-04 03:25 PM |
#55 |
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Sorry, but you have written here many times that fallen lamp posts |
tngledwebb |
Dec-01-04 07:40 AM |
#58 |
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That evidence |
RH |
Dec-01-04 10:17 AM |
#59 |
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How don't the five lampposts fit the idea that AAL77 hit the Pentagon? |
MercutioATC |
Dec-01-04 10:27 AM |
#61 |
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OK, but RHs website isn´t online anymore, that´s a pitty ... (nt) |
FannySS |
Dec-01-04 11:29 AM |
#62 |
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I don't think I ever saw his website. n/t |
MercutioATC |
Dec-01-04 11:38 AM |
#63 |
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Give not that |
RH |
Dec-01-04 01:22 PM |
#64 |
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Eyewitnesses didn't report seeing anything hitting light poles |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-03-04 10:47 AM |
#68 |
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Witnesses certainly did report seeing light poles hit. |
RH |
Dec-03-04 12:18 PM |
#69 |
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Seeing light poles that had been hit isn't the same as seeing them GET hit |
Abe Linkman |
Dec-03-04 02:43 PM |
#71 |
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Lime green problem, eh? |
DulceDecorum |
Dec-11-04 01:39 PM |
#97 |
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I do not disagree. |
RH |
Dec-11-04 03:49 PM |
#101 |
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I rest my case. |
DulceDecorum |
Dec-13-04 10:47 AM |
#161 |
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It was meaningful enough |
RH |
Dec-01-04 01:25 PM |
#65 |
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How do you figure? |
tngledwebb |
Dec-03-04 10:09 AM |
#67 |
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Of course. |
RH |
Dec-03-04 12:21 PM |
#70 |
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I wish I could :eyes: in the subject line of a post. |
MercutioATC |
Dec-03-04 07:32 PM |
#72 |
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Wish I could too. |
tngledwebb |
Dec-13-04 11:00 AM |
#162 |
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Still a bit cryptic for me |
John Doe II |
Nov-29-04 10:53 AM |
#37 |
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I think that the outcome |
RH |
Nov-29-04 07:50 PM |
#44 |
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remote control: accuracy of one to two meters is possible |
FannySS |
Nov-29-04 03:10 PM |
#42 |
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Yes, but that's a civilian unit. The government would have access to |
MercutioATC |
Nov-29-04 10:25 PM |
#49 |
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