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85. I hadn't thought of that
But then, if shock and awe was a major part of their purpose, then why go to such extremes to try to cover up the crime? Why not make it a little more obvious? I don't know, I'll have to consider that.

I'm reading Baker's book now -- maybe one quarter way through it. I'll have to proceed further before having a more formed opinion about it.
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  -Outline of Evidence for the JFK Assassination Time for change  Jun-12-09 08:00 PM   #0 
  - To be honest, I read your first sentence and nothing more.  elocs   Jun-12-09 08:09 PM   #1 
  - There's a reason President Kennedy loved to read...  Octafish   Jun-12-09 11:07 PM   #22 
  - So glad that you added your solid voice to the thread  goclark   Jun-13-09 02:02 PM   #126 
  - The Posthumous Assassination of JFK  Octafish   Jun-15-09 08:38 AM   #297 
     - Very interesting line in that article  Marksbrother   Jun-15-09 08:48 AM   #298 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-15-09 09:39 AM   #299 
        - You're free to use any source that isn't banned by DU.  Marksbrother   Jun-15-09 11:29 AM   #304 
           - The point is...  SDuderstadt   Jun-15-09 11:39 AM   #305 
              - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.  Marksbrother   Jun-15-09 01:35 PM   #315 
                 - Oh, so now it's OKAY to cite Fox news???  SDuderstadt   Jun-15-09 01:39 PM   #317 
                 - The irony of your subject line is that...  SDuderstadt   Jun-16-09 11:49 PM   #354 
     - How conveniently paranoid.  caseymoz   Jun-15-09 05:50 PM   #328 
        - Not paranoia. Informed comment. F'r example: Two Major NAZI players on Warren Commission.  Octafish   Jun-17-09 04:50 PM   #373 
           - Allen Dulles wasn't a Nazi.  caseymoz   Jun-17-09 09:08 PM   #383 
              - You're right. Dulles created them.  Octafish   Mar-11-10 09:43 PM   #425 
                 - One of your "sources" is....  SDuderstadt   Mar-11-10 09:49 PM   #426 
                    - Show me where he is wrong.  Octafish   Mar-11-10 10:45 PM   #427 
                       - So is Bugliosi's...  SDuderstadt   Mar-11-10 10:53 PM   #428 
  - You so correctly stress the importance of reading . . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 07:31 PM   #161 
  - How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why  Octafish   Jun-15-09 12:07 AM   #291 
  - I think this is mentally damaging.  caseymoz   Jun-15-09 05:33 PM   #326 
     - The Z film shows an avulsive wound in the back of JFK's head  Marksbrother   Jun-15-09 05:49 PM   #327 
        - I don't know from those blurry frames how could tell what shape it was.  caseymoz   Jun-15-09 06:46 PM   #330 
        - Yeah, except you have no photo of a entrance wound in the front of JFK's head....  SDuderstadt   Jun-15-09 08:00 PM   #333 
           - looky here ...  tenseconds   Jun-15-09 10:00 PM   #336 
              - That isn't a picture of an entrance wound to the front of...  SDuderstadt   Jun-15-09 10:26 PM   #337 
              - re: entrance wound  tenseconds   Jun-16-09 08:43 AM   #339 
                 - Not since it went out the side of his head...  SDuderstadt   Jun-16-09 10:35 PM   #346 
                    - There's no proof that a bullet exited anywhere except the BOH  Marksbrother   Jun-17-09 07:33 AM   #355 
                       - Everytime you get challenged for evidence of...  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-09 09:14 AM   #360 
                          - Spin this.  Marksbrother   Jun-19-09 01:34 PM   #407 
              - tenseconds  Marksbrother   Jun-16-09 08:42 AM   #338 
                 - Do you realize Kilduff and Grawler contradict each other?  caseymoz   Jun-16-09 04:37 PM   #341 
                 - Dude....Kilduff is pointing to his head...  SDuderstadt   Jun-16-09 10:38 PM   #348 
                    - He's pointing to the forehead area where the fatal bullet struck  Marksbrother   Jun-17-09 07:34 AM   #356 
                       - Which you can't seem to produce...  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-09 03:30 PM   #367 
                       - You've already been shown one, but there's a different one  Marksbrother   Jun-17-09 05:23 PM   #375 
                          - Dude...do you have a picture of...  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-09 08:23 PM   #380 
                             - I predicted you'd ignore 99%, but you ignored 100%. Wow.  Marksbrother   Jun-17-09 08:50 PM   #381 
                                - Dude, where's this picture of the...  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-09 09:05 PM   #382 
                                   - I found a picture of the left temple. It doesn't show a hole.  caseymoz   Jun-17-09 09:54 PM   #386 
                                   - I found a picture of an X-ray as well  caseymoz   Jun-17-09 10:14 PM   #387 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-18-09 07:39 AM   #397 
                                      - where's your evidence?  OnTheOtherHand   Jun-18-09 07:53 AM   #398 
                       - No, dude...  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-09 04:45 PM   #372 
                          - There's a ton of evidence that the fatal shot came from in front  Marksbrother   Jun-17-09 07:03 PM   #379 
                             - That hole must have been from a bullet fragment,  caseymoz   Jun-17-09 09:44 PM   #385 
  - David Atlee Phillips alias Maurice Bishop.  ControlledDemolition   Jun-13-09 08:56 PM   #176 
  - Oswald and Phillips seem to have been photographed together.  Octafish   Jun-14-09 10:22 PM   #286 
  - Holy shit.  Bolo Boffin   Jun-14-09 12:52 PM   #265 
     - The Left and the Death of Kennedy  Octafish   Jun-14-09 10:17 PM   #285 
        - I've been reading since I was four years old and learning all the while  Bolo Boffin   Jun-14-09 11:06 PM   #287 
           - Aha...a line from "Tiny Dancer"...  SDuderstadt   Jun-14-09 11:08 PM   #288 
           - "Caught"?  Marksbrother   Jun-15-09 07:53 AM   #295 
              - Simple English, being used in a simple metaphor. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Jun-15-09 12:42 PM   #307 
                 - For good measure, you might want to explain what a metaphor is rather...  SDuderstadt   Jun-15-09 12:49 PM   #309 
  - I disagree. See my response # 103. nm  rhett o rick   Jun-13-09 11:15 AM   #104 
  - I think you are confusing "honest" with ignorant.  ooglymoogly   Jun-13-09 11:34 AM   #106 
  - It''s important because the same techniques are still being used.  alberg   Jun-13-09 12:57 PM   #115 
  - Don't forget Catholic mobsters are likely to tell the truth on their death-beds! n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jun-14-09 12:31 AM   #233 
  - Have you been at a mob boss's death bed?  stevemiller66   Jun-14-09 03:00 PM   #271 
  - Mob bosses boasted they ordered the hit.  stevemiller66   Jun-14-09 02:55 PM   #270 
  - Does it occur to you that criminals will lie to terrorize people?  caseymoz   Jun-15-09 01:45 PM   #320 
  - delete wrong place.  caseymoz   Jun-15-09 01:34 PM   #314 
  - To Be :Honest"  youngharry   Jun-13-09 01:03 PM   #116 
  - You were wrong,...as usual... n/t  StrictlyRockers   Jun-13-09 04:29 PM   #140 
  - I'm pleased that you posted this...  PCIntern   Jun-12-09 08:21 PM   #2 
  - the immediate knowledge  gblady   Jun-13-09 08:28 AM   #75 
  - Good point. THINK, people!  chimpymustgo   Jun-13-09 10:39 AM   #97 
  - yes, it feels familiar doesn't it?  barbtries   Jun-13-09 03:23 PM   #131 
  - Yes, I remember that the explanation and pointing of the finger  JDPriestly   Jun-13-09 10:42 PM   #211 
  - Thank you, thank you, thank you TFC  RufusTFirefly   Jun-12-09 09:00 PM   #3 
  - Let me add my thanks as well  peace frog   Jun-13-09 06:53 AM   #59 
  - Thank you Rufus -- That's the way I see it too  Time for change   Jun-13-09 09:30 AM   #82 
     - Will you vote for Obama again?  stevemiller66   Jun-14-09 02:40 PM   #269 
  - I noticed you didn't really post any evidence.  Hanse   Jun-12-09 09:09 PM   #4 
  - Guess you need to re-read the post?  villager   Jun-12-09 09:15 PM   #6 
  - Alright, let's go through it, huh?  Hanse   Jun-12-09 10:02 PM   #9 
     - Enjoy your nice safe slumber in the land of the powerful- never-do-anything-mean!  villager   Jun-12-09 10:34 PM   #15 
     - Enjoy your wild imagination.  Hanse   Jun-12-09 10:54 PM   #17 
     - And enjoy your bitter snarking, as well!  villager   Jun-12-09 11:00 PM   #19 
        - Oh, I do.  Hanse   Jun-12-09 11:02 PM   #20 
        - odd, for someone with a Hunter Thompson manque avatar to revel in official stories  villager   Jun-12-09 11:11 PM   #24 
           - Thompson was a drunk and a drug abuser.  Hanse   Jun-12-09 11:12 PM   #26 
              - Nor was he a lapdog for official explanations handed down by the CIA and FBI  villager   Jun-12-09 11:13 PM   #27 
                 - Neither am I.  Hanse   Jun-12-09 11:17 PM   #29 
                    - Here's HST on the Kennedy assassination -- have fun looking for a new avatar!  villager   Jun-12-09 11:23 PM   #31 
                       - Did you read the rest of that article?  Hanse   Jun-12-09 11:27 PM   #33 
                          - You're actually not fit to throw up on his shoes.  villager   Jun-12-09 11:28 PM   #34 
                             - Villager, you're a CTer.  Hanse   Jun-12-09 11:30 PM   #35 
                             - Well, hell, I've dismissed yours, so I guess we're even...  villager   Jun-12-09 11:32 PM   #36 
                             - Don't take him TOO seriously, villager.  Celtic Merlin   Jun-13-09 12:25 PM   #109 
                                - Thanks, Celtic Merlin...  villager   Jun-13-09 04:25 PM   #139 
        - pot meet kettle  paulk   Jun-14-09 09:33 AM   #258 
     - What he means is, let me waste a lot of your time . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 07:59 PM   #164 
     - Yes, let's go through it  Time for change   Jun-12-09 10:56 PM   #18 
     - lol  Hanse   Jun-12-09 11:10 PM   #23 
     - "An eye-witness testimony ain't worth shit -- if it contradicts anything I believe on faith!"  villager   Jun-12-09 11:11 PM   #25 
     - If The Poster Can't Understand The Difference Between Their & They're They Have NO Cred  Binka   Jun-13-09 06:32 PM   #159 
     - Spelling flames are lame. nt  caseymoz   Jun-18-09 12:54 AM   #393 
     - Eyewitness testimony is notoriously inaccurate.  caseymoz   Jun-18-09 12:57 AM   #394 
     - A lot of assertions here. Nothing whatsoever to back them up.  Time for change   Jun-12-09 11:13 PM   #28 
        - "Ignore" is your friend. . .. don't let him distract the thread . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 08:31 PM   #172 
           - Well said.  H2O Man   Jun-14-09 06:06 AM   #248 
     - Filming JFK, Oliver Stone couldn't find a gun that made puffs of smoke  caseymoz   Jun-18-09 05:19 AM   #395 
        - More links  caseymoz   Jun-18-09 05:25 PM   #400 
     - I doubt very much that 75% of all Americans believe in creationism.  truedelphi   Jun-13-09 12:21 AM   #42 
     - Alright, let's go through it, huh?  javafusion   Jun-13-09 01:04 AM   #44 
     - Great points, and welcome to DU!  chimpymustgo   Jun-13-09 10:47 AM   #99 
     - Welcome to DU!  Strong Atheist   Jun-14-09 07:55 AM   #252 
     - "Your most important evidence is anecdotal? Because that's not evidence  Joe Chi Minh   Jun-13-09 07:34 AM   #63 
     - So what you are basic ly saying is  zeemike   Jun-13-09 07:38 AM   #65 
  - You and elocs got military-industrial/oil stocks? I think we should be told,  Joe Chi Minh   Jun-13-09 06:53 AM   #58 
  - thanks for the thorough post...  villager   Jun-12-09 09:14 PM   #5 
  - Yes we are  Time for change   Jun-13-09 09:35 AM   #84 
     - Ya think? But who gives a shit? n/t  Fire1   Jun-13-09 04:58 PM   #143 
  - Thank you again for another thoughtful post.  glitch   Jun-12-09 09:40 PM   #7 
  - I hadn't thought of that  Time for change   Jun-13-09 09:38 AM   #85 
  - I don't think they want us to know who was responsible, the shock doesn't require it.  glitch   Jun-13-09 10:03 AM   #92 
  - A message  Kalun D   Jun-13-09 06:11 PM   #155 
     - Bill Hicks, is that you? We thought you were dead.  glitch   Jun-13-09 08:28 PM   #171 
  - Bookmarked and recommend  madokie   Jun-12-09 09:52 PM   #8 
  - One Of  TerryRay   Jun-12-09 10:25 PM   #13 
     - You say "The so called magic bullet can and DOES pass through both of them"  Time for change   Jun-12-09 11:04 PM   #21 
     - here ya go  TerryRay   Jun-13-09 12:20 AM   #41 
        - Connally's wrist was full of fragments. The Magic Bullet is unfragmented. You FAIL.  Richard Steele   Jun-14-09 05:21 AM   #246 
           - Full?  vincent_vega_lives   Jun-19-09 08:47 AM   #404 
     - And John Conally was there and he didn't believe the magic  merh   Jun-13-09 01:16 AM   #46 
     - What  TerryRay   Jun-13-09 01:24 AM   #47 
        - Go watch it - the man claims a complete recreation  merh   Jun-13-09 01:52 AM   #48 
           - uhh  TerryRay   Jun-13-09 01:59 AM   #49 
              - Go back and watch it again  merh   Jun-13-09 02:15 AM   #50 
                 - again  TerryRay   Jun-13-09 03:13 AM   #52 
                    - I've watched the Zapruder film a hundred times, frame by frame, I've read all I can on the  mikekohr   Jun-13-09 07:20 AM   #62 
                    - Even if we assume that the bullet CAN follow that path  Time for change   Jun-13-09 07:50 AM   #69 
                    - Did you provide a link to the discovery channel footage?  merh   Jun-13-09 09:58 AM   #89 
                       - Here ya go  TerryRay   Jun-13-09 12:17 PM   #108 
                          - That link does not bring me to the video. I cannot  merh   Jun-13-09 12:40 PM   #110 
                          - Here is Nellie Connally's interview  merh   Jun-13-09 01:49 PM   #125 
                             - She might have been confused--  caseymoz   Jun-15-09 07:30 PM   #331 
                                - Find me evidence of the inside of the limo, any photos of the  merh   Jun-15-09 09:43 PM   #334 
                                   - This bullet doesn't look "pristine" to me.  caseymoz   Jun-16-09 03:48 PM   #340 
                                   - BTW, there was no way that bullet could have hit Connally but through the seat. nt  caseymoz   Jun-16-09 06:07 PM   #344 
                                   - BTW, I found some photos of the inside of the limo-- with blood splatters.  caseymoz   Jun-17-09 10:58 PM   #389 
     - Is that the same Petter Jennings  zeemike   Jun-13-09 07:58 AM   #70 
     - Or... what was his sorry assed name.... Walter Sheridan! MSM is own by the intelligence community!!!  ControlledDemolition   Jun-14-09 12:36 AM   #235 
     - Actually . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-14-09 12:47 PM   #263 
     - Welcome to DU!  Strong Atheist   Jun-13-09 03:28 PM   #134 
     - Did Peter Jennings tell you that the neck wound had NO OUTLET . . .?  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 08:47 PM   #173 
     - Both neck and back/right shoulder wounds had NO OUTLET ....  defendandprotect   Jun-14-09 01:05 PM   #267 
  - The thing that always gets me...  Chemical Bill   Jun-12-09 10:17 PM   #10 
  - Yeah. They say that the Parkland doctors were cuckoo and the Bethesda ones were sane  AlexanderProgressive   Jun-12-09 10:19 PM   #12 
  - Plus the Bethesda doctors were on the government payroll...  Chemical Bill   Jun-13-09 09:00 PM   #177 
     - And the doctors at Bethesda were not forensic pathologists  dflprincess   Jun-16-09 09:18 PM   #345 
  - A very good point! The consistent omissions in the media  Raksha   Jun-13-09 02:58 AM   #51 
  - I have little doubt that Oswald was a CIA agent  AlexanderProgressive   Jun-12-09 10:17 PM   #11 
  - CIA Mexico City lied, stating Oswald was meeting with KGB assassination boss.  Octafish   Jun-12-09 11:34 PM   #37 
  - The Tunnheim Panel /1992 JFK Classified Records Act . . .unanimously agreed ....  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 08:55 PM   #175 
  - He was also on the payroll of Hoover via the Department of Immigration and Housing.  ControlledDemolition   Jun-13-09 09:01 PM   #178 
  - I'm interested and agree this is still v. impt.  snot   Jun-12-09 10:26 PM   #14 
  - Fair enough  Time for change   Jun-13-09 10:59 AM   #100 
     - Talk about a classic straw-man...  Chemical Bill   Jun-13-09 09:07 PM   #180 
     - I'd suggest Bugliosi would be a waste of your time . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-14-09 01:15 PM   #268 
  - Thanks for the great post.  chicago legal pro   Jun-12-09 10:46 PM   #16 
  - Thank you -- and welcome to DU  Time for change   Jun-13-09 12:42 PM   #111 
  - Scientifically this is an interesting case  jimlup   Jun-12-09 11:21 PM   #30 
  - Yes, I think it's extremely interesting  Time for change   Jun-13-09 12:45 PM   #112 
  - Reading is the antidote for the cloudiness . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 09:06 PM   #179 
  - The investigation was not necessarily bungled.  Chemical Bill   Jun-13-09 09:17 PM   #183 
  - Bookmarked & K&R  merh   Jun-12-09 11:25 PM   #32 
  - Thank you for your clarification of the "single bullet theory" re-creation  Time for change   Jun-13-09 12:47 PM   #113 
     - I have a problem with junk science  merh   Jun-13-09 01:11 PM   #118 
  - they rather kill us all  MC Blitzen   Jun-12-09 11:35 PM   #38 
  - Sure we can.  EOTE   Jun-13-09 10:17 AM   #95 
     - Thanks for posting those pictures.  WinstonSmith4740   Jun-13-09 10:40 PM   #208 
  - CIA Official Testified to HSCA that Oswald was on CIA Payroll  Octafish   Jun-12-09 11:50 PM   #39 
  - This is very important -- I wasn't aware of this  Time for change   Jun-13-09 08:02 AM   #71 
  - Many of these people came forward to identify Oswald as CIA . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 09:14 PM   #182 
  - Hard to believe Oswald defected after seeing this.  madeline_con   Jun-13-09 12:19 AM   #40 
  - Yes -- Douglass makes that point too in "JFK and the Unspeakable"  Time for change   Jun-13-09 08:05 AM   #72 
     - Oswald was simply CIA agent working high level assignments . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 09:18 PM   #184 
     - Oswald very likely warned James Hosty of the FBI about the plot prior to the hit.  ControlledDemolition   Jun-14-09 12:17 AM   #231 
        - Hosty is obviously right wing and complicit in this . . . but he's also  defendandprotect   Jun-14-09 12:51 PM   #264 
     - Are you familiar with the research of John Armstrong? EOM  Marksbrother   Jun-17-09 06:54 PM   #378 
  - As usual, a thoughtful, logical, and honest post.  PufPuf23   Jun-13-09 12:24 AM   #43 
  - Thank you -- I most certainly agree with your idea as our biggest failing as a nation  Time for change   Jun-13-09 04:04 PM   #138 
  - One of the things you have missed should be the most obvious:  cliffordu   Jun-13-09 01:10 AM   #45 
  - I always wondered about that...  NYC_SKP   Jun-13-09 03:11 PM   #129 
  - The limo had to slow to under 5mph at that turn....  cliffordu   Jun-13-09 05:06 PM   #146 
  - I realize that I left a lot of important evidence out of this post  Time for change   Jun-13-09 04:31 PM   #142 
     - I'm sorry if that sounded accusatory, it was not my intenet.....  cliffordu   Jun-13-09 05:07 PM   #147 
        - Not at all  Time for change   Jun-13-09 05:51 PM   #151 
  - I already see one physics assumption that is incorrect...  armyowalgreens   Jun-13-09 03:16 AM   #53 
  - Please share with the rest of us.  merh   Jun-13-09 08:18 PM   #169 
  - It is...  armyowalgreens   Jun-14-09 03:44 AM   #245 
     - And plenty of experts disagree with you  merh   Jun-14-09 09:04 AM   #255 
        - Okay  armyowalgreens   Jun-14-09 06:05 PM   #276 
        - Experts in what?  vincent_vega_lives   Jun-19-09 01:47 PM   #411 
  - And through Norman Mineta's testimony to the '911 Commission' I would indict Dick Cheney! n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jun-14-09 02:15 AM   #243 
  - TfC, when anyone asks me what "epidemiologist" means, I tell them it means "truth-teller".  Fly by night   Jun-13-09 05:30 AM   #54 
  - What is patently obvious to me in threads of this sort  timtom   Jun-13-09 05:35 AM   #55 
  - you got that right, timtom!  villager   Jun-13-09 09:25 AM   #81 
  - Militant denial, interesting as hell because they must be protecting something very dear to them.  glitch   Jun-13-09 11:01 AM   #101 
  - I resent that...  Chemical Bill   Jun-13-09 09:26 PM   #185 
  - Here is a video  rambler_american   Jun-13-09 05:51 AM   #56 
  - That is CONCLUSIVE evidence of government complicity.  Octafish   Jun-13-09 01:03 PM   #117 
  - Definitely nominated.  H2O Man   Jun-13-09 06:14 AM   #57 
  - Thank you H2O Man -- Very interesting point about JFK attempting the coup  Time for change   Jun-13-09 08:18 AM   #73 
     - The question of how  H2O Man   Jun-13-09 08:52 AM   #77 
        - I read "House of War" -- Great book  Time for change   Jun-13-09 09:01 AM   #80 
  - I was 15 when JFK was killed and I've never believed the Warren Commission report  Swagman   Jun-13-09 07:02 AM   #60 
  - I was 20, and had the same instinctive reaction. Something is  JDPriestly   Jun-13-09 11:43 PM   #221 
  - Thank you for posting this  newfie11   Jun-13-09 07:04 AM   #61 
  - "Hey, man...  reprehensor   Jun-13-09 07:35 AM   #64 
  - Thank you for all those references  Time for change   Jun-13-09 02:52 PM   #128 
  - marking for later read  Bucky   Jun-13-09 07:39 AM   #66 
  - Good point Here  pjt7   Jun-13-09 07:43 AM   #67 
  - K&R.  Vidar   Jun-13-09 07:50 AM   #68 
  - Regarding Jimmy Carter and the Cold War -  JohnyCanuck   Jun-13-09 08:27 AM   #74 
  - My statement regarding Carter was relative to other presidents, not meant to be absolute  Time for change   Jun-13-09 09:58 AM   #90 
  - SOOOO glad you posted that, because I would have had to do it . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 09:26 PM   #186 
  - Here's how I always respond to this sort of thing  skepticscott   Jun-13-09 08:37 AM   #76 
  - I don't agree with that assertion at all  Time for change   Jun-13-09 10:03 AM   #91 
  - So in other words  skepticscott   Jun-13-09 05:26 PM   #149 
     - There is a lot of evidence implicating a number of people  Time for change   Jun-13-09 05:58 PM   #152 
  - Also motives.  anonymous171   Jun-13-09 03:33 PM   #136 
  - What was Oswald's motive? n/t  Chemical Bill   Jun-13-09 09:42 PM   #193 
     - Precisely, if motive is so important, what was Oswald's motive?  JDPriestly   Jun-13-09 11:46 PM   #223 
  - "You can't wake up a sleeping man who is pretending to be asleep" --  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 09:35 PM   #188 
  - So what are you saying?  Chemical Bill   Jun-13-09 09:40 PM   #191 
  - Sounds like we will have a lot to talk about when you come to Maine ...  rtassi   Jun-13-09 08:58 AM   #78 
  - such a good question...  nashville_brook   Jun-13-09 09:33 AM   #83 
  - Yes, we should.  Time for change   Jun-13-09 10:06 AM   #93 
  - It was a MOB hit that the U.S. covered up to keep U.S. attempts to overthrow CASTRO secret  Krashkopf   Jun-13-09 08:59 AM   #79 
  - I'm reading that book now.  navarth   Jun-13-09 01:15 PM   #120 
  - Does the Mob have the power to change the motorcade route to wend past the TSBD?  Octafish   Jun-13-09 01:17 PM   #121 
  - I believe John 'Judas' Connally had something to do with that (along w/LBJ, the rotten S.O.B)! n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jun-13-09 08:50 PM   #174 
  - The Mafia could certainly not get the Military to "stand down" . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 09:39 PM   #190 
  - Nov. 22 1963 : a coup d'etat.  AzDar   Jun-13-09 09:39 AM   #86 
  - LBJ and "The Wink"  troubledamerican   Jun-13-09 05:00 PM   #145 
     - 'Lady Bird ' looked a little too pleased with herself also!  ControlledDemolition   Jun-13-09 11:32 PM   #219 
        - Murchison/Johnson/Nixon  troubledamerican   Jun-14-09 12:32 AM   #234 
           - E. Howard Hunt fingered LBJ on his death-bed!  ControlledDemolition   Jun-14-09 01:18 AM   #240 
  - I have also studied this subject extensively and  Still Sensible   Jun-13-09 09:49 AM   #87 
  - Thanks for your summary and contribution to this important thread.  chimpymustgo   Jun-13-09 11:47 AM   #107 
  - Unfortunately, as you should be able to feel from events in America. . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 09:47 PM   #194 
  - I see two problems with this.  caseymoz   Jun-15-09 03:20 PM   #323 
  - As far as I'm concerned, Thom Hartmann has written  OwnedByFerrets   Jun-13-09 09:49 AM   #88 
  - What other books on the JFK assassination have you read?  glitch   Jun-13-09 10:11 AM   #94 
  - Thom Hartmann unfortunately cannot be trusted on this subject.  BuyingThyme   Jun-13-09 12:47 PM   #114 
     - Nice info there -- and anyone with any bit of knowledge understands Thom's way wrong there . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 09:53 PM   #196 
  - Oswald was a screwup who couldn't shoot straight  The Wizard   Jun-13-09 10:34 AM   #96 
  - Oswald publicly proclaimed he was a "patsy," and was  LibDemAlways   Jun-13-09 10:44 AM   #98 
  - How to hide evidence of a conspiracy -  psquare   Jun-13-09 01:24 PM   #124 
     - In fact, many people are OBJECTING to ....  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 10:06 PM   #198 
  - K&R  Wednesdays   Jun-13-09 11:12 AM   #102 
  - I also read your first sentence but had the opposite feelings than poster #1.  rhett o rick   Jun-13-09 11:15 AM   #103 
  - Thank you -- I feel similarly about being much more ready to try to handle the truth than continued  Time for change   Jun-13-09 06:01 PM   #153 
  - We know that hundreds immediately died . . . in fact,  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 10:15 PM   #201 
     - If what I think you are saying is true, I have really been in the dark.  rhett o rick   Jun-13-09 10:42 PM   #212 
        - Yes . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 10:52 PM   #217 
           - 'Rise of the Fourth Reich' by Jim Marrs is a must read! n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jun-13-09 11:56 PM   #226 
           - I will read further in this area. Thanks for the recommendations. nm  rhett o rick   Jun-14-09 09:07 AM   #256 
  - K & R  MinM   Jun-13-09 11:23 AM   #105 
  - If we could only get these well thought out posts on the MSM!  sce56   Jun-13-09 01:11 PM   #119 
  - Very interesting. Thank you for all this information  Time for change   Jun-13-09 06:20 PM   #157 
  - The corporate-press has been complicit in the cover up . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 10:16 PM   #202 
  - Hard to ignore all these coincidences  elehhhhna   Jun-13-09 01:19 PM   #122 
  - The older I get, the more I question everything  DemReadingDU   Jun-13-09 01:23 PM   #123 
  - I believe the Thom Hartmann, Lamarr Waldron theory.  Postman   Jun-13-09 02:10 PM   #127 
  - I believe David Talbot & James DiEugenio, not Thom Hartmann  troubledamerican   Jun-13-09 04:58 PM   #144 
  - i thought by now  barbtries   Jun-13-09 03:22 PM   #130 
  - I agree with you but...  Prophet 451   Jun-13-09 03:24 PM   #132 
  - Whose conspiracy  Time for change   Jun-13-09 06:11 PM   #156 
  - What do you think about LBJ? Was he in on it?  totodeinhere   Jun-13-09 03:24 PM   #133 
  - I think he was, but I'm not sure  Time for change   Jun-13-09 07:10 PM   #160 
  - absolutely . . . probably agitated for it .. .they couldn't have done it without President LBJ....  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 10:23 PM   #203 
  - Without GHWB as VP there would not have been the attempt on Reagan in '81!  ControlledDemolition   Jun-14-09 12:21 AM   #232 
  - I do not think so.  H2O Man   Jun-14-09 06:22 AM   #249 
  - Blame the financial elites, not the military.  anonymous171   Jun-13-09 03:30 PM   #135 
  - The money, the military, the mob, the intelligence community...  BuyingThyme   Jun-13-09 04:31 PM   #141 
  - TfC - thank you for such a well thought out and concise writing  UpInArms   Jun-13-09 04:02 PM   #137 
  - Thank you -- I just recently read of Bush's anonymous tip to the FBI regarding Parrott  Time for change   Jun-13-09 06:31 PM   #158 
     - I first heard about the Bush CIA memo and saw the photo  UpInArms   Jun-14-09 07:23 AM   #251 
     - Here are photocopies of the Bush-FBI memos from the National Archives  Octafish   Jun-14-09 09:21 AM   #257 
  - Thanks for your excellent post.  jeff30997   Jun-13-09 05:17 PM   #148 
  - I read Lifton's book years ago...  WinstonSmith4740   Jun-13-09 05:45 PM   #150 
  - I agree with you on both points  Time for change   Jun-13-09 08:12 PM   #165 
  - everyone needs a pointless hobby.  dysfunctional press   Jun-13-09 06:06 PM   #154 
  - Death-bed confession?  LongTomH   Jun-13-09 08:24 PM   #170 
     - I've always thought it was a little strange...  WinstonSmith4740   Jun-13-09 10:28 PM   #205 
  - Always interested in this subject and the latest going on and looking back  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 07:37 PM   #162 
  - Thank you -- Yes, these things are all related, aren't they?  Time for change   Jun-13-09 08:13 PM   #166 
  - Agree. JFK and 911 False Flag Attacks.. both serve the same purpose...  lib2DaBone   Jun-13-09 07:43 PM   #163 
  - The intelligence cabal started working with organized crime during WWII.  ControlledDemolition   Jun-13-09 09:08 PM   #181 
  - The mob connection to Ruby  stevemiller66   Jun-13-09 09:53 PM   #195 
     - In Ruby's letters from jail ... he points the finger at LBJ . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 10:34 PM   #206 
        - Very well informed post! See also DISC + Naval Intelligence + Division Five of the FBI + ... n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jun-13-09 11:26 PM   #218 
           - I'm so far behind on my reading and website checking ....  defendandprotect   Jun-14-09 12:07 AM   #229 
  - Huge difference between 911 and JFK  stevemiller66   Jun-13-09 09:42 PM   #192 
     - why send an email (and how)?  merh   Jun-13-09 09:59 PM   #197 
     - The night of the assassination, he recinded JFK's NSAM withdrawing troops from VN . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 10:39 PM   #207 
     - Bingo! Also, JFK wanted the government in control of the currency, not the Federal Reserve. n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jun-13-09 11:51 PM   #225 
        - Right . . . Treasury had actually begun printing and distributing the bills . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Jun-14-09 12:05 AM   #228 
           - Let's not forget that he also wanted to splinter the CIA in 1,000 pcs!  ControlledDemolition   Jun-14-09 12:11 AM   #230 
              - Oh, how I wish he had lived to do that .... obviously still a need for that to be done--!!!  defendandprotect   Jun-14-09 01:08 AM   #237 
                 - If the CIA was disbanded there would be no need for a phoney war on drugs! n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jun-14-09 01:11 AM   #238 
                    - That's also my very strong pov . . .n/t  defendandprotect   Jun-14-09 01:18 AM   #239 
                       - My POV, people who want the truth re-JFK = good... those who don't = EVIL.  ControlledDemolition   Jun-14-09 01:30 AM   #241 
     - NSM #263... full Vietnam withdrawal by the end of '64! n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jun-13-09 11:48 PM   #224 
        - PEOPLE! LISTEN UP!! JFK living = NO VIETNAM WAR!!!!!! n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jun-14-09 01:34 AM   #242 
           - That's total conjecture  vincent_vega_lives   Jun-19-09 01:49 PM   #412 
  - forgot this...  Dan   Jun-13-09 08:16 PM   #167 
  - I still think Bush 41 has something to do with this, we will never know. Kick.  sarcasmo   Jun-13-09 08:17 PM   #168 
  - Of course . . . he was involved in CIA/Bay of Pigs ...in charge of Cubans in Miami . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 10:41 PM   #210 
  - Poppy Bush told the FBI he was in Dallas on the day President Kennedy was assassinated.  Octafish   Jan-14-10 10:08 AM   #418 
     - Bushes just can't stand to miss out on the action, if possible.  igetalong   Jan-14-10 10:41 AM   #419 
     - Toss in Nixon's Plumbers doing all they could to rid the world of Tricky and it's a regular trifecta  Octafish   Jan-14-10 12:11 PM   #422 
     - Poppy Bush told the FBI he was heading to Dallas after the assassination of JFK.  Bolo Boffin   Jan-14-10 11:35 AM   #420 
        - Why did Bush wait to warn the FBI about a potential assassin until after the president was dead?  Octafish   Jan-14-10 12:09 PM   #421 
           - Edited - he didn't say why he didn't report this.  Bolo Boffin   Jan-14-10 12:30 PM   #423 
           - Read the memo you provided, Octafish....  SDuderstadt   Jan-14-10 03:40 PM   #424 
              - Always preserve ''plausible deniability.''  Octafish   Mar-21-10 11:54 AM   #431 
                 - Poppy did not say he "was" in Dallas, he said he was GOING there.  Bolo Boffin   Mar-21-10 12:34 PM   #432 
                    - I'm not misrepresenting anything. Poppy told the FBI he was in Dallas on Nov. 22 1963.  Octafish   Mar-21-10 12:41 PM   #434 
                       - No, he did not. He told the FBI he was GOING there. You can read English, can't you? n/t  Bolo Boffin   Mar-21-10 12:48 PM   #435 
  - President Johnson had motive & means.  stevemiller66   Jun-13-09 09:34 PM   #187 
  - Agree with most of what you're saying ..... including MIHOP . . . !!!  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 10:43 PM   #213 
  - Occam's Razor  Moral Compass   Jun-13-09 09:38 PM   #189 
  - Why did you forget building #7?  stevemiller66   Jun-13-09 10:11 PM   #199 
  - I Misspoke  Moral Compass   Jun-13-09 10:43 PM   #214 
     - The only solution possible is to elect a 3rd party.  stevemiller66   Jun-14-09 08:24 AM   #253 
     - If the Democratic Party has been co-opted -- which seems absolutely clear --  defendandprotect   Jun-14-09 12:40 PM   #262 
     - I'm sorry, ridiculous.  caseymoz   Jun-15-09 01:59 PM   #321 
  - "Follow... and the money", some folks made mega-bucks on Wall Street after JFK's demise & 911? n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jun-14-09 12:04 AM   #227 
  - I don't want to enter the debate on who killed John F. Kennedy nor dispute  saltpoint   Jun-13-09 10:14 PM   #200 
  - Thank you . . . I'll ltry to look for it soon . ..  defendandprotect   Jun-13-09 10:46 PM   #215 
     - 'Am unfamliar with those titles but will  saltpoint   Jun-13-09 10:46 PM   #216 
  - Oswald did it, alone  KingsMeadow   Jun-13-09 10:26 PM   #204 
  - You make a lot of arrogant statements with absolutely nothing to back them up  Time for change   Jun-13-09 10:41 PM   #209 
  - TfC, in a way, I'm thinking ignorance is blissfully appealing & so tend 2 envy KingsMeadow... n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jun-13-09 11:39 PM   #220 
  - Easy to believe everything you're told?  vincent_vega_lives   Jun-19-09 01:53 PM   #414 
  - Not only arrogant and vile, but the articulation of ignorance and fear in America ...  rtassi   Jun-14-09 09:35 AM   #259 
  - For myself the biggest piece of evidence that Oswald wasnt a lone shooter is  brettdale   Jun-13-09 11:45 PM   #222 
  - Great post . . . a few comments . . . and one question . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-14-09 01:03 AM   #236 
  - Kennedy was a cold warrior. This is bullshit.  deaniac21   Jun-14-09 02:23 AM   #244 
  - Kickin' it  peace frog   Jun-14-09 05:39 AM   #247 
  - kr  Norrin Radd   Jun-14-09 06:38 AM   #250 
  - I figure that ...  sendero   Jun-14-09 08:43 AM   #254 
  - They didn't manage to "hide the truth" . . . it's been known since first days . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-14-09 12:31 PM   #261 
  - Some years ago hubby became extremely involved in reading everything he could find  mnhtnbb   Jun-14-09 09:49 AM   #260 
  - "a critique of Vincent Bugliosi’s book, “Reclaiming History”, which I have not read"  Bolo Boffin   Jun-14-09 12:56 PM   #266 
  - "Bugliosi's encylopedia on the subject"  Marksbrother   Jun-14-09 04:10 PM   #272 
     - Have you read it? n/t  Bolo Boffin   Jun-14-09 04:18 PM   #273 
     - You found a way to avoid speaking to the issue at hand.  Marksbrother   Jun-14-09 04:45 PM   #274 
        - You didn't answer the question - having characterized the book as a "prosecutor's brief",  Bolo Boffin   Jun-14-09 05:26 PM   #275 
           - No. Bugliosi isn't objective. He's a lone nutter and his book  Marksbrother   Jun-14-09 06:27 PM   #278 
              - So from where did you acquire your characterization of him and his book?  Bolo Boffin   Jun-14-09 07:33 PM   #280 
              - Research from objective sources. Something you don't...  Marksbrother   Jun-14-09 09:03 PM   #282 
                 - "Objective sources" is easily said...  Bolo Boffin   Jun-14-09 09:09 PM   #283 
                    - That's an indirect admission that your sources AREN'T  Marksbrother   Jun-15-09 07:51 AM   #294 
                       - No, it is not. And Bugliosi is not a right-winger. Do you not understand that?  Bolo Boffin   Jun-15-09 12:46 PM   #308 
                          - You're entitled to your opinion. I have a different view.  Marksbrother   Jun-15-09 01:33 PM   #313 
                             - Yeah, but the problem is you have zero proof...  SDuderstadt   Jun-15-09 01:36 PM   #316 
                             - You are entitled to your own view, of course.  Bolo Boffin   Jun-15-09 02:44 PM   #322 
                                - Why? Many, many sources. Unlike LNutters, most of whom...  Marksbrother   Jun-16-09 05:40 PM   #342 
              - Do you remember the position you took when you read your first JFK book?  caseymoz   Jun-15-09 07:47 PM   #332 
     - Have you even read Bugliosi's book, MB?  SDuderstadt   Jun-14-09 09:26 PM   #284 
        - It's a total waste of time  Marksbrother   Jun-15-09 07:57 AM   #296 
           - What's more likely is that you won't read it because...  SDuderstadt   Jun-15-09 10:10 AM   #300 
              - The Bug Man hasn't debunked any of the evidence  Marksbrother   Jun-15-09 11:25 AM   #303 
                 - Considering you refuse to read the book...  SDuderstadt   Jun-15-09 11:46 AM   #306 
                    - The Bug Man's book isn't worth the paper it's printed on.  Marksbrother   Jun-15-09 01:32 PM   #312 
                       - Please prove that....  SDuderstadt   Jun-15-09 01:40 PM   #319 
                          - Try reading it. It's all one-sided. No serious researchers  Marksbrother   Jun-16-09 05:43 PM   #343 
                             - I HAVE read it, dude....  SDuderstadt   Jun-16-09 10:45 PM   #350 
                                - If you really did read it, it must be the only thing you've ever read  Marksbrother   Jun-17-09 07:37 AM   #357 
                                   - Unfortunately for you, dude...  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-09 03:08 PM   #364 
                                   - If you really have read more than the Bug Man's book, then  Marksbrother   Jun-17-09 03:13 PM   #366 
                                      - And you obviously need some help in...  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-09 03:42 PM   #368 
                                         - C'mon. Have you ever read ANY books about JFK?  Marksbrother   Jun-17-09 05:32 PM   #377 
                                   - Unfortunately for you, dude...  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-09 03:08 PM   #365 
                                      - You've read Lifton's book?  Marksbrother   Jun-19-09 01:46 PM   #410 
  - Nixon - Ruby connection  micraphone   Jun-14-09 06:16 PM   #277 
  - Ruby is believed to have been ordered to kill Oswald  Marksbrother   Jun-14-09 06:33 PM   #279 
     - Roger that  micraphone   Jun-14-09 08:28 PM   #281 
     - Seems Ruby's family was being threatened . . . he had a sister and a brother, I think . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-16-09 10:41 PM   #349 
  - Another excellent post from Time for Change. Too late to rec, but here's the kick.  bertman   Jun-14-09 11:39 PM   #289 
  - It doesn't make tactical sense to shoot from the front.  caseymoz   Jun-15-09 12:05 AM   #290 
  - The headwound according to witnesses  micraphone   Jun-15-09 01:09 AM   #293 
  - Before I give totally up here.  caseymoz   Jun-15-09 11:09 AM   #302 
  - One other thing, about the four shots, ever hear of echos? nt  caseymoz   Jun-15-09 01:40 PM   #318 
     - One other thing, about the four shots, ever hear of echos?  micraphone   Jun-15-09 04:15 PM   #324 
        - Stretching? I've heard echoes, haven't you?  caseymoz   Jun-15-09 05:14 PM   #325 
           - The "magic gunman" theory - LOVE it.  Bolo Boffin   Jun-15-09 06:26 PM   #329 
  - Also see the McDuff film where he is pointing to entry wound in right temple -- !!!!  defendandprotect   Jun-16-09 10:35 PM   #347 
     - "Jack Kennedy was knocked way back into the seat...  SDuderstadt   Jun-16-09 10:48 PM   #351 
     - He's also been misled by The Bug Man & RWinger McAdams  Marksbrother   Jun-17-09 07:42 AM   #358 
        - How did you get interested in this . . . ?  defendandprotect   Jun-17-09 12:03 PM   #363 
        - Except she sometimes forgets she placed me on ignore and...  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-09 04:26 PM   #371 
        - Open-mindedness goes hand-in-hand with EVIDENCE, dude...  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-09 04:19 PM   #369 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-17-09 05:27 PM   #376 
              - DONE  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-09 09:31 PM   #384 
  - A shot from the front/triangulation is necessary when you miss the first shots . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-16-09 11:10 PM   #352 
     - "The only shot -- and it may have been a paralyzing dart, actually -- to hit JFK"  SDuderstadt   Jun-16-09 11:15 PM   #353 
        - Again, I say that you really don't know much about the case.  Marksbrother   Jun-17-09 07:45 AM   #359 
        - We've both made the same conclusion . . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-17-09 11:59 AM   #362 
           - Jesus....I've been categorized by two of the most extreme...  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-09 04:23 PM   #370 
              - Categorized, charged, and found guilty by two knowledgeable  Marksbrother   Jun-17-09 05:06 PM   #374 
                 - Two knowledgeable and highly esteemed experts?  SDuderstadt   Jun-17-09 11:14 PM   #390 
        - misplaced  defendandprotect   Jun-17-09 11:53 AM   #361 
  - "In my third post I’ll discuss what I consider to be abundant evidence ...  SDuderstadt   Jun-15-09 12:27 AM   #292 
  - re: Outline of Evidence for the JFK Assassination  rschop   Jun-15-09 10:48 AM   #301 
  - The JFK Assassination and 9/11: the Designated Suspects in Both Cases  Octafish   Jun-15-09 12:51 PM   #310 
     - re: Anyway, welcome to DU, rschop. I look forward to reading your stuff  rschop   Jun-15-09 01:07 PM   #311 
     - Welcome to DU  merh   Jun-15-09 09:59 PM   #335 
     - IMO, what we are experiencing in the "vast right-wing conspiracy" . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-17-09 10:54 PM   #388 
     - "JFK & 9/11 - Insights Gained From Studying Both"  reprehensor   Jun-18-09 06:09 AM   #396 
        - "If you like JFK CT, boy, are you going to love 9/11 CT!"  Bolo Boffin   Jun-18-09 03:48 PM   #399 
        - The two most important conspiracies of the past 60 years,  Marksbrother   Jun-18-09 06:15 PM   #401 
           - JFK's assassination was not a conspiracy between anyone.  Bolo Boffin   Jun-18-09 07:49 PM   #402 
        - You forgot to include the Apollo Moon Landing. (n/t)  vincent_vega_lives   Jun-19-09 01:43 PM   #409 
  - The late Bill Hicks on JFK, at least some people think and get it . . .  Klimmer777   Jun-17-09 11:31 PM   #391 
  - Here are some more important links . . .  Klimmer777   Jun-17-09 11:40 PM   #392 
  - ANCILLARY EVIDENCE  vincent_vega_lives   Jun-19-09 08:23 AM   #403 
  - The Magic Bullet Theory was debunked decades ago.  Marksbrother   Jun-19-09 08:59 AM   #405 
     - FACT "You keep using that word  vincent_vega_lives   Jun-19-09 01:42 PM   #408 
        - You must not be familiar with what the autopsy doctor said  Marksbrother   Jun-19-09 01:51 PM   #413 
           - OK  vincent_vega_lives   Jun-19-09 02:22 PM   #415 
              - NEXT.  Marksbrother   Jun-19-09 03:00 PM   #416 
                 - What makes him right wing?  vincent_vega_lives   Jun-20-09 05:01 AM   #417 
  - Interesting article  javafusion   Jun-19-09 01:22 PM   #406 
  - JFK was a conventional Cold Warrior who derided liberals as "honkers," and who once suggested that  apocalypsehow   Mar-14-10 01:04 AM   #429 
  - If true, that would be reprehensible. Here's what we do know...  Octafish   Mar-21-10 12:34 PM   #433 
     - Oh, it's true alright: consult about any in-depth biography of JFK that's not simply a hagiography  apocalypsehow   Apr-23-10 01:37 PM   #437 
  - The problem being here is that the body alteration angle is BS.  CTKA-Probe   Mar-14-10 03:54 AM   #430 
     - Politics has clouded scientific conclusions?  rookie222   Apr-23-10 08:09 AM   #436 
 

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