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Thu May-21-09 05:25 AM
Response to Reply #88 |
| 96. Sort of, but normally the presumption of innocence is suspended in an important sense. |
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The presumption of innocence is suspended, obviously, during the process of an investigative team trying to come up with possible theories of the case. It would be ridiculous for them not to pursue a particular theory due to the presumption of innocence because, duh, such an approach would rule out all possible theories, making it impossible for them to do their job.
In the case of 911, the job of figuring out the various possible theories of the case has been left to the citizens of the country and of the world since the US government entities who should have been responsible for it flat out refused to do their duty.
Clearly, applying a presumption of innocence makes no sense whatsoever in a discussion about who committed a crime. Otherwise the discussion would be a very short one: no one did -- they're all equally presumed innocent.
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| -Yes, I defend the so called OCT |
LARED |
May-18-09 05:30 AM |
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wanna review what it is you're defending? |
OnTheOtherHand |
May-18-09 05:36 AM |
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Well no, I don't subscribe to |
LARED |
May-18-09 05:45 AM |
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OK... |
OnTheOtherHand |
May-18-09 06:06 AM |
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Yes, the only thing would add |
LARED |
May-18-09 06:57 AM |
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so what |
crankmob |
May-22-09 12:09 PM |
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Wait.... I thought that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was the mastermind... |
Ghost in the Machine |
May-19-09 03:19 AM |
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yawn |
OnTheOtherHand |
May-19-09 04:02 AM |
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Bin Laden didn't fund 9/11. |
CJCRANE |
May-20-09 06:03 AM |
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meh |
OnTheOtherHand |
May-20-09 06:26 AM |
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But some of the financiers weren't in "al-Qaeda". You should look it up. nt |
CJCRANE |
May-20-09 06:28 AM |
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I never said they were |
OnTheOtherHand |
May-20-09 06:39 AM |
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"I figured that referring to him might |
CJCRANE |
May-20-09 06:44 AM |
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nu? |
OnTheOtherHand |
May-20-09 07:12 AM |
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You're getting all Rovian now. I've made my points quite clearly. Thankyou nt. |
CJCRANE |
May-20-09 07:16 AM |
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Rovian, eh? |
OnTheOtherHand |
May-20-09 07:22 AM |
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Are you sure about this part? |
eomer |
May-20-09 05:25 AM |
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Is this a lesson in illogic 101? |
LARED |
May-20-09 05:37 AM |
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No problem. |
eomer |
May-20-09 05:53 AM |
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OK, just about anything is possible |
LARED |
May-20-09 06:10 AM |
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True, just about anything is possible. |
eomer |
May-20-09 06:19 AM |
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Nobody volunteered to prove a negative. |
LARED |
May-20-09 06:28 AM |
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In that case you are not defending the version that OTOH laid out. |
eomer |
May-20-09 06:35 AM |
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That does not represent my views |
LARED |
May-20-09 08:45 PM |
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PMJI |
OnTheOtherHand |
May-21-09 05:23 AM |
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If I understand correctly, then, you do want to defend the statement: |
eomer |
May-21-09 07:59 AM |
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What is you basis for that knowledge? |
LARED |
May-21-09 09:56 PM |
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Further thoughts while waiting for Lared... |
eomer |
May-20-09 05:15 PM |
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this is why I'm not interested in "defending the OCT" |
OnTheOtherHand |
May-20-09 05:33 PM |
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Understood. |
eomer |
May-20-09 07:17 PM |
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I'm perfectly happy to hear your views |
OnTheOtherHand |
May-20-09 07:54 PM |
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I think the problem of presumptive status would diminish |
eomer |
May-20-09 08:17 PM |
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Yes indeed, eomer |
BeFree |
May-20-09 10:11 PM |
#87 |
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That is not my argument |
LARED |
May-20-09 09:03 PM |
#83 |
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Presumption of innocence |
BeFree |
May-20-09 10:26 PM |
#88 |
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Sort of, but normally the presumption of innocence is suspended in an important sense. |
eomer |
May-21-09 05:25 AM |
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You ignored this part of my statement |
LARED |
May-21-09 05:48 AM |
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No motive? |
eomer |
May-21-09 07:30 AM |
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To clarify |
LARED |
May-21-09 09:52 PM |
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Thanks, here's my clarification. |
eomer |
May-22-09 05:05 AM |
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No, I don't claim Bush should be presumed guilty. |
eomer |
May-21-09 06:11 AM |
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You are free to |
LARED |
May-21-09 10:07 PM |
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What we apparently agree on, and the part we're not sure about. |
eomer |
May-22-09 04:54 AM |
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Humm |
LARED |
May-22-09 05:45 AM |
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I agree, let's apply the criteria consistently. |
eomer |
May-22-09 05:57 AM |
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Well then the criteria for presumption should be applied consistently as well |
LARED |
May-23-09 06:53 AM |
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I think our problem is a different idea of the context of the discussion. |
eomer |
May-23-09 09:46 AM |
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You're getting close to what I call "OCT Plus"... |
CJCRANE |
May-20-09 07:03 AM |
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Are you interested in buying a bridge? |
spooked911 |
May-18-09 06:12 AM |
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No, and I doubt you have one to sell (n/t) |
vincent_vega_lives |
May-18-09 07:15 AM |
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Sure, what do you have? |
LARED |
May-18-09 05:48 PM |
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I have a question... |
SDuderstadt |
May-18-09 07:16 PM |
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Sure you can |
LARED |
May-18-09 07:39 PM |
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Well, then.... |
SDuderstadt |
May-18-09 07:50 PM |
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Are you the broker for Simon Shack's "moving bridge"? |
William Seger |
May-18-09 06:19 PM |
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I believe |
vincent_vega_lives |
May-18-09 07:26 AM |
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So, even though Dick Cheney and Rex Tomb both claim.... |
BeachBaby |
May-18-09 08:17 AM |
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Yes |
vincent_vega_lives |
May-18-09 11:49 AM |
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How about confessions on video? |
wildbilln864 |
May-18-09 05:38 PM |
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I'd love to see some proof of this claim... |
SDuderstadt |
May-18-09 12:18 PM |
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The FBI website. |
BeachBaby |
May-18-09 12:49 PM |
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Umm, I was asking for a reference to something either... |
SDuderstadt |
May-18-09 01:06 PM |
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Of course I do; but he's not wanted for 9/11. |
BeachBaby |
May-18-09 01:14 PM |
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Bullshit...it says nothing of the sort.... |
SDuderstadt |
May-18-09 01:20 PM |
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Oh, really? |
BeachBaby |
May-18-09 01:26 PM |
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It's YOUR fucking claim! |
SDuderstadt |
May-18-09 07:15 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-18-09 10:39 PM |
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maybe you haven't read enough of his posts |
OnTheOtherHand |
May-19-09 04:44 AM |
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Of course, here's what the 9/11 CT's and the Muckraker Report don't bother to tell you... |
SDuderstadt |
May-19-09 08:37 PM |
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The fact remains that as of now, DOJ doesn't have sufficient |
able1 |
May-19-09 08:44 PM |
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Dude....who says they don't have sufficient evidence to indict him? |
SDuderstadt |
May-19-09 08:51 PM |
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DOJ. EOM |
able1 |
May-19-09 08:54 PM |
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Wtf? |
SDuderstadt |
May-19-09 09:13 PM |
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There's so much stupid in that reply that I don't even know where to begin... |
Ghost in the Machine |
May-19-09 09:30 PM |
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he has that problem a lot evidently. |
wildbilln864 |
May-20-09 08:25 PM |
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Have you seen this one? |
Ghost in the Machine |
May-20-09 09:20 PM |
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Oh jeez, more of your goofy fucking claims... |
Ghost in the Machine |
May-19-09 09:24 PM |
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but wouldn't a video taped confession be hard evidence? |
wildbilln864 |
May-20-09 08:30 PM |
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Would they indict Fat Osama or Skinny Osama? |
Ghost in the Machine |
May-20-09 09:28 PM |
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Thanks Ghost. Hope you & yours are too! |
wildbilln864 |
May-20-09 11:47 PM |
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oh, I read all his posts.. they're good for comedic value... |
Ghost in the Machine |
May-19-09 11:04 PM |
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Pretty straightforward. |
Old and In the Way |
May-19-09 01:40 AM |
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Maybe that explains why Pres. Bush said he (obl) isn't very |
able1 |
May-18-09 08:47 PM |
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As much as I despise W... |
SDuderstadt |
May-18-09 09:26 PM |
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Rex Tomb interviewed by The Muckraker Report |
Ghost in the Machine |
May-19-09 02:02 AM |
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Please link us to anywhere Dick Cheney or Rex Tomb ever said... |
SDuderstadt |
May-18-09 07:18 PM |
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Read post #43... and wipe that egg off your face (again) n/t |
Ghost in the Machine |
May-19-09 07:43 PM |
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I don't think any of us is defending the "OCT". |
AZCat |
May-18-09 08:22 AM |
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Correct |
vincent_vega_lives |
May-18-09 11:51 AM |
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Not defending? |
BeFree |
May-18-09 10:32 PM |
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Partly |
vincent_vega_lives |
May-19-09 07:03 PM |
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Let your freak flag fly |
LARED |
May-18-09 05:54 PM |
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a basic conceptual disconnect |
OnTheOtherHand |
May-18-09 08:01 PM |
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Point taken, the bottom line is that |
LARED |
May-18-09 09:09 PM |
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I guess I try to write for the lurkers |
OnTheOtherHand |
May-19-09 04:38 AM |
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Certainly, elements of the "OCT" are worth defending. |
AZCat |
May-18-09 10:01 PM |
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My condolences |
whatchamacallit |
May-18-09 08:54 AM |
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A BS detector isn't much good |
vincent_vega_lives |
May-18-09 11:52 AM |
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Tell ya what |
William Seger |
May-18-09 11:53 AM |
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Mine is proven |
BeFree |
May-18-09 10:27 PM |
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Yeah, I know what yours is |
William Seger |
May-19-09 12:06 AM |
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Hardly needed; this forum calibrates |
LARED |
May-18-09 05:55 PM |
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yes! |
wildbilln864 |
May-18-09 05:34 PM |
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Stupendous!! |
BeFree |
May-18-09 10:35 PM |
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Why did Bush and his cronies try to tie 9-11 to Saddam Hussein and Iraq? |
Octafish |
May-20-09 07:20 AM |
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I think that falls under the concept |
LARED |
May-20-09 10:10 PM |
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Pass up? |
BeFree |
May-20-09 10:32 PM |
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Nope I don't see it. |
LARED |
May-21-09 05:32 AM |
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Proof????? |
Realityhack |
May-22-09 12:28 PM |
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Why didn't they do a better job of it? |
Bolo Boffin |
May-20-09 10:28 PM |
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They did bake Iraq into it. |
BeFree |
May-20-09 10:43 PM |
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Please go play your games somewhere else. |
Bolo Boffin |
May-20-09 10:58 PM |
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Why? |
BeFree |
May-21-09 01:28 PM |
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Is it possible for you to miss this point so completely? |
Bolo Boffin |
May-21-09 02:27 PM |
#103 |
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The beauty of you disproving your own hypothisis |
Realityhack |
May-22-09 12:31 PM |
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They didn't do that because it wasn't possible. |
CJCRANE |
May-22-09 09:20 AM |
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Magical thinker = Zero skeptic. What does LARED Doubt? |
PufPuf23 |
May-20-09 11:22 PM |
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I have no doubt that all |
LARED |
May-23-09 07:06 AM |
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you got owned....again. live with it. |
Twist_U_Up |
May-24-09 05:36 AM |
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Somehow I'll stuggle on LOL nt |
LARED |
May-24-09 05:41 AM |
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He did indeed. |
Prometheus Bound |
May-24-09 04:12 PM |
#121 |
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Interesting points, food for thought nt |
CJCRANE |
May-23-09 10:49 AM |
#118 |
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