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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 12:27 PM
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24. Important Clarification!
One thing I discovered was the blogs can be a round robin of self sourcing and a little bit like the child's game telephone where whispered words change as they go from ear to ear.

I am someone that totally thinks this flu is suspicious and someone that does not trust vaccines. When I followd the first link in the OP to a follow up link, I was shocked to read the headline:
"Czech Papers Question Whether Contaminated Baxter Vaccine Was Attempt to Provoke Pandemic"

My first thought was AHAH! FINALLY someone is asking the question I want asked. Then I followed the second link to the Toronto Sun, and noticed they did not mention any questioning other than the normal questions asked of major corporations. The face saving mistakes were made kind of questions.

Hmm I thought... just another MSM cover-up while the Czechs were in fact asking tough questions?

So back I went to link one, and clicked on the second follow up link ( link) where the "translated articles" are sourced. I really wanted to see with my own eyes, a Newspaper actually posing such a question!

So I went to each Czech site. I opened up and translated each article a paragraph at a time. I did NOT see any questions about, or suspicion of, a deliberate attempt to create a Pandemic. I wish I did, but there just isn't anything like that. There is anger about safety, and concern about law loopholes, etc.

So then I noticed at the bottom of the page from this Czech Blogger at the start of the last paragraph: "But was this just a criminal negligence or it was an attempt to provoke pandemia using vaccination against flu to spread the disease - as happened with the anti-B hepatitis vaccination with vaccines containing the HIV virus in US? - and then cash for the vaccines against H5N1 which Baxter develops?"

The poster neglected to state that this was not from the translation, and now other posters from other sites are sourcing this post as evidence that the Czech Newspapers are asking whether or not this was a deliberate conspiracy.

So lets all be careful about checking the sources.

This was especially hard for me because I wish someone would ask the hard questions. With a ghoul like Cheney taking out Plame and then Nukes are flown across our country, I am paranoid to the max.

I was pleased to know the Toronto Sun was not ommitting something, just reporting what was actually reported in the Czech Newspapers. Here are the sourced Czech Papers:

What is shocking is that this story has been going on since March and we hear nothing here.

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  -Baxter Pharmaceutical Mixed Avian Flu with Flu Vaccine Nancy Waterman  Apr-29-09 09:39 AM   #0 
  - Anyone know anything about Baxter Pharmaceuticals?  Sanity Claws   Apr-29-09 09:46 AM   #1 
  - Hmmmmm..... A Thinning Of The Herd Maybe?........nt  global1   Apr-29-09 09:51 AM   #2 
  - Thanks Sanity Claus!  Nancy Waterman   Apr-29-09 09:56 AM   #5 
  - well here is the director of Baxter Pharm  Mari333   Apr-29-09 10:00 AM   #6 
  - What's a military dude doing on the BOD of a big pharma company?  nc4bo   Apr-29-09 10:15 AM   #10 
     - interactive map of Walter E. Boomer relationships  eowyn_of_rohan   Apr-29-09 11:57 AM   #20 
        - Baxter International..  nc4bo   Apr-29-09 12:33 PM   #25 
  - That was my first thought. Are they part of BFEE's Pharm Portfolio?  Wizard777   Apr-29-09 10:22 AM   #11 
  - Keep the tinfoil hat on... Look at this - from one google search  eowyn_of_rohan   Apr-29-09 11:05 AM   #17 
  - Good Lord!  No Elephants   Apr-29-09 12:35 PM   #26 
  - Holy Shit....I didn't know they were responsbile for the dealths from the tainted Heparin!  KoKo   Apr-29-09 01:57 PM   #57 
  - Their actions show they are as greedy and evil as the Chinese -nt  eowyn_of_rohan   Apr-29-09 03:54 PM   #77 
  - Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm  malaise   Apr-29-09 03:33 PM   #75 
  - They have a big plant in Puerto Rico  More_liberal_than_mo   Apr-29-09 11:52 AM   #19 
  - Okay my tinfoil hat just has a question: That American owned pig  jwirr   Apr-29-09 04:40 PM   #88 
     - Smithfield owns that farm, but is selling it and the USA farm to China.  dixiegrrrrl   Apr-29-09 08:31 PM   #101 
  - Illumanti?  ButterflyBlood   Apr-29-09 12:27 PM   #23 
  - Well there was certainly a Skull and Bones member up until 1999 ;)  nc4bo   Apr-29-09 12:40 PM   #27 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-29-09 01:44 PM   #46 
  - Here is their headquarters, and they have branches all over the USA  truedelphi   Apr-29-09 02:05 PM   #61 
  - Old News  Romis   Apr-29-09 03:00 PM   #69 
  - Six posts a year since '05  OnyxCollie   Apr-29-09 03:10 PM   #72 
  - Old News  Romis   Apr-29-09 03:00 PM   #70 
  - They produce a lot of medical products. I think they make my tomcat  kestrel91316   Apr-29-09 03:47 PM   #76 
  - WTF!?!?!  fascisthunter   Apr-29-09 09:52 AM   #3 
  - creating a demand for their product :) nt.  biermeister   Apr-29-09 09:55 AM   #4 
  - Banks and insurance companies, with the drug companies...................  pattmarty   Apr-29-09 10:01 AM   #7 
  - lol - love it! -nt  eowyn_of_rohan   Apr-29-09 01:18 PM   #37 
  - When will the lawsuits be filed?  The Backlash Cometh   Apr-29-09 10:08 AM   #8 
  - Isn't it more likely that someone at Baxter Pharmeceuticals  hedgehog   Apr-29-09 10:13 AM   #9 
  - Not really. It would have to be a huge colossal screw up with everyone asleep at the wheel.  Wizard777   Apr-29-09 10:42 AM   #13 
  - Chernobyl, 3 Mile Island, stuff I've seen myself - people are asleep  hedgehog   Apr-29-09 10:46 AM   #15 
  - Yes but when your talking about potential Bio Weapons. Security precautions even account for that.  Wizard777   Apr-29-09 10:56 AM   #16 
  - It appears this incident was indeed caught by a normal security precaution  jberryhill   Apr-29-09 01:25 PM   #41 
  - Just as you said, a normal security precaution.  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-29-09 02:41 PM   #67 
  - ferrets are a good animal model of infuenza disease  mrs_p   Apr-29-09 04:11 PM   #81 
  - This makes m wonder even more about  GoddessOfGuinness   Apr-29-09 01:56 PM   #56 
  - And when you examine the role of bought out government agencies  truedelphi   Apr-29-09 03:27 PM   #74 
  - The fact that someone caught it means not everyone was asleep.  Deep13   Apr-29-09 01:09 PM   #31 
  - The fact that they test it on the ferrets...  jberryhill   Apr-29-09 01:22 PM   #40 
  - Sure, testing for safety is pretty routine. nt  Deep13   Apr-29-09 01:34 PM   #43 
  - Ah, but the global pandemic of mutant flu would be a story.  Bette Noir   Apr-29-09 01:46 PM   #49 
  - To MIHOP-the pandemic-and reap enormous profits  kimmerspixelated   Apr-29-09 04:27 PM   #84 
  - One thought comes to mind..  dixiegrrrrl   Apr-29-09 08:50 PM   #103 
  - And that's unlikely, how?  Bette Noir   Apr-29-09 01:44 PM   #47 
  - Yeah. Like 9/11.  OnyxCollie   Apr-29-09 03:02 PM   #71 
  - Possibly, but how can anyone explain away this kind of mistake?  Mithreal   Apr-29-09 10:43 AM   #14 
  - Hmmmm  mzmolly   Apr-29-09 01:07 PM   #30 
  - Look at this....  dixiegrrrrl   Apr-29-09 08:32 PM   #102 
  - Do these guys have H1N1 (Swine flu) in stock?  Wizard777   Apr-29-09 10:39 AM   #12 
  - yup. and they're working on a vaccine  eowyn_of_rohan   Apr-29-09 11:19 AM   #18 
     - Uh huh, thought so.  Wizard777   Apr-29-09 12:13 PM   #21 
     - Yea....and they have an factory south of Mexico City.  didact   Apr-29-09 01:52 PM   #50 
        - South of Mexico City....and that Catholic high School in NYC shut down because kids on trip to Mexic  KoKo   Apr-29-09 01:59 PM   #59 
  - Whoa....  Spazito   Apr-29-09 12:23 PM   #22 
  - Important Clarification!  mirrera   Apr-29-09 12:27 PM   #24 
  - geeze, that is scary  carlyhippy   Apr-29-09 12:49 PM   #28 
  - oh shit, that is not cool  islandgirl808   Apr-29-09 12:58 PM   #29 
  - oh, for christ's sake. yes, some technician fucked up. no, it isn't a conspiracy. and finally...  enki23   Apr-29-09 01:09 PM   #32 
  - oh thank you, wise one  eowyn_of_rohan   Apr-29-09 01:15 PM   #36 
  - I'm sure it was all just a BIG misunderstanding.  bottomtheweaver   Apr-29-09 01:42 PM   #45 
     - ..and a 'misunderstanding' that was covered in news outlets around the world, except ours  Echo In Light   Apr-29-09 04:16 PM   #83 
  - Oops...we put some unlabeled H5N1 in with your H3N2..sorry,now you're dead  dos pelos   Apr-29-09 01:11 PM   #33 
  - You got H5N1 in my H3N2!  KamaAina   Apr-29-09 01:13 PM   #35 
  - Good God this is like something straight out of Resident Evil  WildEyedLiberal   Apr-29-09 01:12 PM   #34 
  - So what happened? This is news from February. NM  high density   Apr-29-09 01:18 PM   #38 
  - And this happened at the exact same time as the Sewage Shutoff in Mexico City.  slampoet   Apr-29-09 01:19 PM   #39 
  - Here is a consequence of such an " error "....  dos pelos   Apr-29-09 01:30 PM   #42 
  - Isn't it very interesting that it is always the East Europeans who "ferret"  truedelphi   Apr-29-09 01:59 PM   #60 
  - Remember all those Nazi scientists that got recruited into the CIA?  bottomtheweaver   Apr-29-09 01:39 PM   #44 
  - And that is how the zombie infestation began, your honor  TheEuclideanOne   Apr-29-09 01:44 PM   #48 
  - Additional information here  seafan   Apr-29-09 01:53 PM   #51 
  - AND....we know Big Pharma is pretty much running the US with Wall St...  KoKo   Apr-29-09 01:54 PM   #52 
  - That's right!  kimmerspixelated   Apr-29-09 04:35 PM   #86 
  - This happened over a month ago.  truedelphi   Apr-29-09 01:54 PM   #53 
  - K & R. n/t  truedelphi   Apr-29-09 01:54 PM   #54 
  - holy  florida08   Apr-29-09 01:55 PM   #55 
  - Yes Virginia, there are mad scientists.  GoddessOfGuinness   Apr-29-09 01:59 PM   #58 
  - if you want to start an epidemic you give it to someone who gets around  certainot   Apr-29-09 02:05 PM   #62 
  - Interesting!  kimmerspixelated   Apr-29-09 04:37 PM   #87 
  - I quit getting flu shots years ago -  northofdenali   Apr-29-09 02:13 PM   #63 
  - last time I had one I had some possible Guillain-Barre symptoms  eowyn_of_rohan   Apr-29-09 03:23 PM   #73 
  - Umbrella Corporation, anyone?  Avalux   Apr-29-09 02:13 PM   #64 
  - what's wrong with this picture?  vegleftie   Apr-29-09 02:26 PM   #65 
  - Because ferrets react similarly to humans with flu  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-29-09 04:48 PM   #92 
  - The plans of the New World Order are still marching on....  winyanstaz   Apr-29-09 02:26 PM   #66 
  - The New World Order.  kimmerspixelated   Apr-29-09 04:41 PM   #89 
  - That's why I won't get flu vaccines. Don't trust 'em. It's an easy way to Jonestown populations. nt  valerief   Apr-29-09 02:48 PM   #68 
  - Never had one, nor has anyone in our immediate family  Echo In Light   Apr-29-09 03:57 PM   #78 
     - Yes, I've been an anti vaxer for awhile, now.  kimmerspixelated   Apr-29-09 04:44 PM   #90 
        - We knew a woman who tried to resist & her child would NOT be allowed in w/o the shots  Echo In Light   Apr-29-09 05:47 PM   #96 
  - I caught the flu for the first time after getting a vaccine. No more. nt  live love laugh   Apr-29-09 04:00 PM   #79 
  - Yeah Right  FamousAmos   Apr-29-09 04:09 PM   #80 
  - so, an intramuscular injection of avian flu  mrs_p   Apr-29-09 04:16 PM   #82 
  - They mixed H5N1 and H3N2; the current outbreak is H1N1  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-29-09 04:33 PM   #85 
  - Opednews links to Prisonplanet  Christa   Apr-29-09 04:44 PM   #91 
  - But read "up thread" about Baxter ties to Bushies...and Heparin Deaths..  KoKo   Apr-29-09 05:14 PM   #93 
  - Throwing this thread in the dungeon is in effect silencing the issue  eowyn_of_rohan   Apr-29-09 05:23 PM   #94 
  - So their test procedures worked and the error was halted before it did any damage.  anigbrowl   Apr-29-09 05:24 PM   #95 
  - Stop being rational!  ButterflyBlood   Apr-29-09 07:13 PM   #98 
     - XD  anigbrowl   Apr-30-09 01:25 AM   #104 
  - Oh...this is creeping me out...Legitimate Post about Baxter/Swine Flu and goes to "9/11 Forum?"  KoKo   Apr-29-09 07:08 PM   #97 
     - Too much conspiracy theorists  ButterflyBlood   Apr-29-09 07:13 PM   #99 
     - Really....says you...  KoKo   Apr-29-09 07:27 PM   #100 
     - The post wasn't about Swine Flu  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-30-09 02:36 AM   #105 
        - Baxter's connection to both this Avian flu issue and swine is worthy of discussion IMO  eowyn_of_rohan   Apr-30-09 08:51 AM   #106 

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