| 3. i think we need to leave the Muslims to themselves, whatever the consequences, because .. |
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Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 10:02 PM by sam sarrha
in Islam God is Great, the wisest, infallible.. what the Muslims do to each other is obviously Allah's grander plan.
we should not intervene. when we interfere we are saying that out western ways/ideas/concerns are better than Allah's will/plan/grace. which is the greatest of insults.
leave them alone, what we see as horrific, inhuman is simply missguided observation without faith. we arent qualified to judge them
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| -Why Bush Can’t Allow Habeas Corpus – And Why we Need to Leave Afghanistan |
Time for change |
Nov-22-08 09:45 PM |
#0 |
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Bin laden denied responsibility for the 9/11 attacks from the beginning |
seemslikeadream |
Nov-22-08 09:49 PM |
#1 |
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If bin Laden had done it, |
HeresyLives |
Nov-22-08 09:52 PM |
#2 |
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That's what I think |
Time for change |
Nov-23-08 01:45 AM |
#9 |
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i think we need to leave the Muslims to themselves, whatever the consequences, because .. |
sam sarrha |
Nov-22-08 09:57 PM |
#3 |
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I do not give a flying fuck in the Afghans eat each others' children |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-08 04:26 PM |
#40 |
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but we need evidence to support that assertion.... |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-23-08 07:29 PM |
#51 |
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Bill, read your own link... there is no mis-translation of the admission of guilt. |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-08 07:53 PM |
#53 |
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eyes only |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 04:32 PM |
#126 |
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"Not a "Good War" Gone Bad" |
JohnyCanuck |
Nov-22-08 10:13 PM |
#4 |
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1 other reason/factor |
Aragorn |
Nov-23-08 07:52 AM |
#18 |
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True |
JohnyCanuck |
Nov-23-08 08:17 AM |
#19 |
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"..an unjust, imperialist war of empire,.." should be a no-brainer, |
G_j |
Nov-23-08 08:45 PM |
#62 |
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Another reason Afghanistan is NOT our "good" war. |
aquart |
Nov-22-08 10:15 PM |
#5 |
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The Bush administration promised we the people |
gratuitous |
Nov-22-08 10:25 PM |
#6 |
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WOW - Does Obama Know????? nt |
Traveling_Home |
Nov-22-08 10:43 PM |
#7 |
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He knows or he's ignorant. |
Oregone |
Nov-22-08 11:11 PM |
#8 |
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Ah yes, PIPELINES.. |
Karenina |
Nov-23-08 03:28 AM |
# |
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Jesus Christ. Is it 2002 again? |
theboss |
Nov-26-08 01:35 PM |
#178 |
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Ah yes, PIPELINES.. |
Karenina |
Nov-23-08 03:28 AM |
#13 |
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Indeed. The pipelines |
RufusTFirefly |
Nov-23-08 09:55 AM |
#22 |
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A carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs... |
Karenina |
Nov-23-08 10:31 AM |
#23 |
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I don't see how he could not |
Time for change |
Nov-23-08 12:35 PM |
#25 |
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Thank you for this and k&r! |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-23-08 01:56 AM |
#10 |
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Yes and I always think the answer to that question is |
illuminaughty |
Nov-23-08 03:23 AM |
#12 |
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"Smirk." - Commander AWOL & cabal of corrupt republicon cronies |
SpiralHawk |
Nov-23-08 06:47 AM |
#17 |
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Thanks for so clearly laying this out. |
BlueMTexpat |
Nov-23-08 03:12 AM |
#11 |
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"I have always maintained that our launching a war against Afghanistan after 9-11 was not justified" |
JohnyCanuck |
Nov-23-08 05:28 AM |
#15 |
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Wow man. Mind blowing. Bush-Co never ceases to amaze me. |
DUlover2909 |
Nov-23-08 04:15 AM |
#14 |
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The Gipper in effect threw us a $1 trillion party: junior's policies and actions/inactions |
indepat |
Nov-23-08 07:23 PM |
#49 |
| -
And what IS the incentive for the "War On Terror" and presence in Afghanistan (and all the Stans)? |
Dover |
Nov-23-08 06:21 AM |
#16 |
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Excellent bit |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Nov-24-08 08:09 AM |
#76 |
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A Timeline Of Oil And Violence Afghanistan |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Nov-23-08 08:25 AM |
#20 |
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Interesting link, thanks. Wish they would update it to present. |
Dover |
Nov-23-08 03:06 PM |
#32 |
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Another great thread |
malaise |
Nov-23-08 08:31 AM |
#21 |
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TFC, you're one of the main reasons I stay tuned to DU! |
nashville_brook |
Nov-23-08 11:24 AM |
#24 |
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Thank you very much nashville |
Time for change |
Nov-23-08 08:25 PM |
#60 |
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T/C - you do know that Obama plans to send more troops to Afghanistan - right? |
pirhana |
Nov-23-08 01:02 PM |
#26 |
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Sure |
Time for change |
Nov-23-08 08:24 PM |
#59 |
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Twoofer BS |
Odin2005 |
Nov-23-08 01:17 PM |
#27 |
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you want Usama's head on a pike but Bush does not! nt |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-23-08 01:36 PM |
#28 |
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No contry in history has ever survived the occupation of Afganistan |
Phred42 |
Nov-23-08 02:39 PM |
#31 |
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Comparing the Soviet occupation to the American's is a facile analogy. |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-08 08:03 PM |
#55 |
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Your assumptions puzzle me. What evidence do you have that |
Mithreal |
Nov-24-08 03:51 AM |
#71 |
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We're not fighting a proxy war with a *superpower*. We are fighting |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 08:33 AM |
#78 |
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The Russians had their hands full in Georgia. |
Swede |
Nov-24-08 11:33 AM |
#84 |
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Good article - so it really wasn't a cakewalk at all. nt |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 12:11 PM |
#89 |
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Why? |
Time for change |
Nov-23-08 04:22 PM |
#38 |
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Afgansitan needs to be stablized so it can't be a haven for A-Q and the Taliban. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-23-08 04:41 PM |
#42 |
| -
What makes you think that Afghanistan won't turn out to be another Iraq or Vietnam |
Time for change |
Nov-23-08 05:03 PM |
#43 |
| -
So if Bin Laden didn't do 9/11 |
BecauseBushSaysSo |
Nov-23-08 02:20 PM |
#29 |
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False Flag. It was an inside job |
Phred42 |
Nov-23-08 02:37 PM |
#30 |
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I agree |
Time for change |
Nov-23-08 08:21 PM |
#58 |
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"bin Laden didn't do it" is not a convincing reason to abandon Afghanistan, |
Occam Bandage |
Nov-23-08 03:09 PM |
#33 |
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What reason would you give to stay there and |
Time for change |
Nov-23-08 03:35 PM |
#34 |
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You might want to re-examine "Assuming that the Afghanis don't want us there." |
Occam Bandage |
Nov-23-08 03:55 PM |
#35 |
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Why ARE we in Afghanistan to begin with? |
Dover |
Nov-23-08 04:06 PM |
#36 |
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Because failed states result in worldwide proliferation of |
Occam Bandage |
Nov-23-08 11:39 PM |
#66 |
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I hope you are being sarcastic.....you are actually quoting Busholini in your statement.. |
KoKo01 |
Nov-24-08 12:05 PM |
#87 |
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Here's a re-examination: |
Time for change |
Nov-23-08 04:14 PM |
#37 |
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Oh, wow, "Worker's World." I trust their opinion, especially when it's offered without any support |
Occam Bandage |
Nov-23-08 11:40 PM |
#67 |
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Talk about intellectually insulated |
Time for change |
Nov-24-08 11:23 AM |
#83 |
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Absolutely spot-on in every point. Thanks. nt |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-08 08:05 PM |
#56 |
| -
It never ceases to amuse (and amaze) me that people who |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-08 04:24 PM |
#39 |
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Those tapes are very controversial |
Time for change |
Nov-23-08 04:31 PM |
#41 |
| -
Look at the bigger picture... al Qaeda declared war on the US in 1998 |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-08 07:46 PM |
#52 |
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The bigger picture |
Time for change |
Nov-23-08 08:20 PM |
#57 |
| -
I respectfully disagree - the Taliban were playing games. |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-08 10:27 PM |
#65 |
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Which Bin Laden? |
arikara |
Nov-23-08 06:20 PM |
#45 |
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Are you aware of the PAL to NTSC conversion issue? |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-08 07:16 PM |
#47 |
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not very persuasive! nt |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-23-08 07:24 PM |
#50 |
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It's only non-pesuasive if one is ignorant of the technical issue. |
Flatulo |
Nov-23-08 07:57 PM |
#54 |
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Ridiculous. What about line doubling? |
EOTE |
Nov-24-08 07:08 AM |
#74 |
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Simple PAL to NTSC converters just throw away every fifth line. |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 08:20 AM |
#77 |
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Both vertical and horizontal resolution is tossed. |
EOTE |
Nov-24-08 09:00 AM |
#79 |
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You're full of beans. Analog video does not contain pixels, only |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 09:38 AM |
#80 |
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And what are those lines comprised of? |
EOTE |
Nov-24-08 10:13 AM |
#81 |
| -
What is the resolution of an analog TV set? |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 11:56 AM |
#85 |
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The NTSC standard is 480x720. |
EOTE |
Nov-24-08 12:08 PM |
#88 |
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You should quit while you're behind. |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 12:29 PM |
#91 |
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Analog video does not contain pixels, only lines of resolution. |
EOTE |
Nov-24-08 01:00 PM |
#93 |
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And read this if you want to find out why horizontal resolution typically isn't listed. |
EOTE |
Nov-24-08 12:15 PM |
#90 |
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Well, thanks for proving my point. This is what I have been trying to explain to you. |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 12:33 PM |
#92 |
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Output resolution, not input resolution. |
EOTE |
Nov-24-08 01:06 PM |
#94 |
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At this point you're just arguing with yourself. nt |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 02:19 PM |
#101 |
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I'll take that as a concession. |
EOTE |
Nov-24-08 02:38 PM |
#104 |
| -
OK, please explain for us how a cheap analog converter handles |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 02:46 PM |
#106 |
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They "squash" the image horizontally just as it is done vertically. |
EOTE |
Nov-24-08 03:03 PM |
#111 |
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Oh, I understand that it can be done correctly using a digital |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 03:27 PM |
#117 |
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Because once he denied it, the cat is out of the bag. |
EOTE |
Nov-24-08 03:46 PM |
#118 |
| -
EOTE, Thanks for the info regarding video.... |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-24-08 04:32 PM |
#127 |
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No problem. |
EOTE |
Nov-24-08 04:47 PM |
#128 |
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I'm in complete agreement on that also. thanks for the response. nt |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-24-08 05:10 PM |
#129 |
| -
You continue to ignore data that conflicts with your pre-conceived notions. |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 09:39 PM |
#138 |
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You've got some nerve talking about ignoring data. |
EOTE |
Nov-25-08 06:02 AM |
#142 |
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Semantics 101 |
Flatulo |
Nov-25-08 02:27 PM |
#150 |
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You are some piece of work. |
EOTE |
Nov-25-08 03:11 PM |
#152 |
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You are incapable of understanding a simple concept... |
Flatulo |
Nov-25-08 05:08 PM |
#156 |
| -
Why has Bush not provided any evidence of Bin Laden's involvement? |
EOTE |
Nov-25-08 05:31 PM |
#159 |
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Self-delete |
Flatulo |
Nov-25-08 05:41 PM |
#160 |
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There was a strong chain of evidence of al Qaeda attacks on US interests going |
Flatulo |
Nov-25-08 08:20 PM |
#167 |
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Once again you launch into the non-sequitors. |
EOTE |
Nov-25-08 08:45 PM |
#168 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-25-08 10:31 PM |
#170 |
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Have yourself another big helping of fail. |
EOTE |
Nov-26-08 09:28 AM |
#171 |
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Epic WIN! |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-26-08 12:16 PM |
#172 |
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You too! You can have my extra portion of stuffing :) |
EOTE |
Nov-26-08 12:17 PM |
#173 |
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Thank you. nt |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-26-08 12:34 PM |
#175 |
| -
Bill, reading has never been your strong suit, so here's some help.... |
Flatulo |
Nov-26-08 12:28 PM |
#174 |
| -
I read as well as you. |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-26-08 12:41 PM |
#176 |
| -
You were right about the Bush Doctrine and I was wrong. |
Flatulo |
Nov-26-08 01:33 PM |
#177 |
| -
I'll try to reply one by one. |
EOTE |
Nov-26-08 08:15 PM |
#179 |
| -
What was the level of proof for the prior indictments? |
Flatulo |
Nov-28-08 09:47 PM |
#188 |
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technically it was first known as "the wolfowitz doctrine" and the primary author was guess who? |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-26-08 10:23 PM |
#180 |
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I completely oppose the notion of pre-emptive war. |
Flatulo |
Nov-26-08 11:09 PM |
#183 |
| -
does the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" mean anything to you? |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-26-08 10:56 PM |
#181 |
| -
I reply below. |
EOTE |
Nov-24-08 04:22 PM |
#124 |
| -
Here's a good article on how NTSC video works.... |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 10:02 PM |
#139 |
| -
None of this changes anything. |
EOTE |
Nov-25-08 06:22 AM |
#143 |
| -
Did you see this article from Muckraker? |
Flatulo |
Nov-25-08 06:26 PM |
#164 |
| -
It's rather easy to demonstrate |
anigbrowl |
Jan-04-09 07:31 PM |
#193 |
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Because he can't pronounce Habeas Corpus? |
DailyGrind51 |
Nov-23-08 05:10 PM |
#44 |
| -
Robert Fisk on déjà double-vu in Afghanistan |
JohnyCanuck |
Nov-23-08 06:38 PM |
#46 |
| -
Isn't that the truth. |
Time for change |
Nov-23-08 07:18 PM |
#48 |
| -
Gates and the Urge to Surge |
JohnyCanuck |
Nov-23-08 08:40 PM |
#61 |
| -
no smoking gun for nine one one |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-23-08 09:23 PM |
#63 |
| -
Maybe no smoking guns, but certainly some powder burns and fingerprints. |
balantz |
Nov-23-08 11:46 PM |
#68 |
| -
claims of no-planes and "video fakery" are part the disinformation campaign |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 02:13 PM |
#99 |
| -
It was a media psyops job. What corporate entities own the media? n/t |
balantz |
Nov-24-08 02:54 PM |
#108 |
| -
i suppose the media psyops also created the airplane debris that crushed pedestrians...? |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 04:07 PM |
#121 |
| -
I'm not calling you a disinfo agent, though I could attack you like you are me. |
balantz |
Nov-24-08 04:29 PM |
#125 |
| -
evidence of aircraft parts directly refute the so-called no-planes "theory" |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-25-08 06:22 AM |
#144 |
| -
The funny thing about the Truth Movement is that each camp |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 03:05 PM |
#113 |
| -
presence of these hare-brained "theorists" should tell you something--or do you deny counter-intel? |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 04:10 PM |
#122 |
| -
Why do you assume that there are no people dumb enough to believe in no-planes |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 09:27 PM |
#136 |
| -
you cannot disprove the existence of what people call god. no-planes can be disproven. |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-25-08 07:07 AM |
#145 |
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Heh, I agree, but no-planers would call you a fool. |
Flatulo |
Nov-25-08 01:50 PM |
#148 |
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it might proven that i am a fool... just show me a survivor who believes there was no planes. |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-25-08 09:21 PM |
#169 |
| -
Time for a second helping of crow. |
Flatulo |
Nov-26-08 10:59 PM |
#182 |
| -
just saw this |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-26-08 11:41 PM |
#184 |
| -
Thank you for all these links |
Time for change |
Nov-24-08 06:43 AM |
#72 |
| -
check this one out |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-27-08 12:16 PM |
#185 |
| -
K&R ! |
G_j |
Nov-23-08 09:23 PM |
#64 |
| -
I have a compromise: We still find and kill OBL, but refuse to do any nation building/occupying |
anonymous171 |
Nov-24-08 12:05 AM |
#69 |
| -
OBL not wanted for the crime of 9/11 |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 12:42 AM |
#70 |
| -
And as Operation Northwoods and Operation Gladio bear witness, |
JohnyCanuck |
Nov-24-08 06:49 AM |
#73 |
| -
anthrax letters, clearly false-flag terrorism |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 01:54 PM |
#96 |
| -
OBL is already on the 10 most wanted list. How many times would you like him to be listed? |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 12:00 PM |
#86 |
| -
let's ask washington, shall we? |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 01:44 PM |
#95 |
| -
guess you missed that silly movie on this very topic |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 01:58 PM |
#97 |
| -
Go here... |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 02:10 PM |
#98 |
| -
.. and he's not listed for the crime. what's your point? |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 02:19 PM |
#100 |
| -
My point is that he's one the top-10 list. He was on it before 9/11. |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 02:30 PM |
#102 |
| -
considering FBI's rex tomb said “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11” that's relevent how? |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 02:36 PM |
#103 |
| -
bin Laden didn't hijack or pilot any of the aircraft. So no, there is no |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 02:49 PM |
#107 |
| -
did i say bush did it? |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 03:10 PM |
#115 |
| -
you've been lied to, friend |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 02:40 PM |
#105 |
| -
Ah, the Big Gun of the Truth Movement... ...YouTube! |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 02:55 PM |
#109 |
| -
be as snarky as you like but "press for truth" is sourced entirely from mainstream media... |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 03:03 PM |
#112 |
| -
Oh, I don't pretend to know the truth. Please don't put those words |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 03:16 PM |
#116 |
| -
i suggest you engage those college-honed critical thinking skills you paid so much money for and... |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 03:50 PM |
#119 |
| -
Wow, did you just watch 'Network' this afternoon? |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 09:35 PM |
#137 |
| -
nah - but you seem to be pretty out of touch with ideas contained therein |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-25-08 07:22 AM |
#146 |
| -
No, I'm completely familiar with the premise of your screed. |
Flatulo |
Nov-25-08 01:51 PM |
#149 |
| -
you just take joy in debate then? |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-25-08 03:19 PM |
#154 |
| -
I've been hanging out here for a few years now, mostly in the Dungeon. |
Flatulo |
Nov-25-08 04:55 PM |
#155 |
| -
your assertion is simply untrue |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-25-08 05:46 PM |
#161 |
| -
Alrighty then, I guess we're done here... |
Flatulo |
Nov-25-08 06:19 PM |
#163 |
| -
sounds more like you're done |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-25-08 06:49 PM |
#165 |
| -
just a sec |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-25-08 05:53 PM |
#162 |
| -
the purpose of any investigation.... |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-25-08 03:15 PM |
#153 |
| -
So should we investigate space beams and mini-nukes? |
Flatulo |
Nov-25-08 05:13 PM |
#157 |
| -
"we" won't be investigating anything. |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-25-08 05:19 PM |
#158 |
| -
Did you happen to read in the OP the reason why 9/11 is not listed as one of bin Laden's crimes |
Time for change |
Nov-24-08 04:15 PM |
#123 |
| -
Your YouTubing is seriously out of date. Go here to see the |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 03:02 PM |
#110 |
| -
youtubing? it's from the BBC. maybe you should send them this link in order to redact their story? |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 03:08 PM |
#114 |
| -
Great job man! |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-24-08 05:35 PM |
#130 |
| -
I'm curious, do you also agree with his post 121? n/t |
balantz |
Nov-24-08 06:17 PM |
#131 |
| -
I do believe disinfo is used to foil any prospect of investigation... |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-24-08 07:44 PM |
#132 |
| -
I agree with that. But attempts to discredit with disinfo aren't limited to one research area. |
balantz |
Nov-24-08 08:02 PM |
#133 |
| -
i don't know anyone stupid enough to deny the fact that airplanes collided with WTC towers 1 & 2 |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-24-08 08:48 PM |
#134 |
| -
I know plenty of people stupid enough to believe in no-planes. |
Flatulo |
Nov-24-08 10:07 PM |
#140 |
| -
for those who haven't seen the argument against this "theory" |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-28-08 07:07 PM |
#186 |
| -
thank you, and i appreciate the welcome |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-25-08 08:16 AM |
#147 |
| -
once is enough..... |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-25-08 03:03 PM |
#151 |
| -
There is hard evidence. The media record. n/t |
balantz |
Nov-25-08 08:12 PM |
#166 |
| -
one more time for the thinking impaired |
reinvestigate911 |
Nov-28-08 07:32 PM |
#187 |
| -
K&R |
valerief |
Nov-24-08 07:53 AM |
#75 |
| -
America’s Wars of Self-Destruction |
JohnyCanuck |
Nov-24-08 10:39 AM |
#82 |
| -
If You Want To Know Why |
Mark D. |
Nov-24-08 03:59 PM |
#120 |
| -
Kicking |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Nov-24-08 09:07 PM |
#135 |
| -
kick. nt |
wildbilln864 |
Nov-25-08 12:28 AM |
#141 |
| -
Russian experience in Afghanistan and Why we don't torture |
WilliamHenryMee |
Nov-28-08 11:43 PM |
#189 |
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a kick |
Twist_U_Up |
Jan-04-09 11:17 AM |
#190 |
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and a plummet |
boloboffin |
Jan-04-09 11:26 AM |
#191 |
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you don't make yourself look too intelligent. |
Twist_U_Up |
Jan-04-09 06:14 PM |
#192 |
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So how do we get Obama to reveal the truth? |
I814U |
Jan-05-09 03:08 PM |
#194 |
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I suggesting hiding and watching. |
boloboffin |
Jan-05-09 06:07 PM |
#195 |
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You know what you get when you hide and watch criminals? |
I814U |
Jan-06-09 11:59 AM |
#196 |
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